Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #40

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  1. Mimi in London

    Mimi in London Well-Known Member

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    This could link with my question about whether the girl in the photo on the wall resembles Jayme....
     
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  2. zecats

    zecats Well-Known Member

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    I just read the complaint again where this is mentioned. You are correct. I read James as Jayme earlier and remembered incorrectly the JTP saw her standing in the picture window.

    He did also state that he saw James again looking through the tiny decorative window on the door as he banged on the door. James then asked for ID and JTP shot him through the door. At least I didn't remember it all incorrectly.

    A horrific image, the entire scene.
     
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  3. Ragnarok

    Ragnarok Well-Known Member

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    Completion of forensic tests and/or spare Jayme further distress. Also thought they may use that and tell JP if he pleads guilty or no contest they'll not press those charges. I presume that would be reviewed with the family before committing to that course.

    Also thought they may offer JP of a plea with an off of going to prison hell hole on steroids or prison hell hole not so bad. There is always the hospital for the criminally insane for an option. Whatever, I don't want him free ever again.
     
  4. Sjm_qc

    Sjm_qc Well-Known Member

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    Good morning :). Marking my spot while I catch up.

    I took a step away yesterday because I realized I was getting a little riled up trying to keep varying degrees of speculation and known facts separate, without necessarily discounting other people’s speculation.
     
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    oviedo Well-Known Member

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    I watched no family interviewed just a quote read and shown on air by the reporter
     
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  6. Sjm_qc

    Sjm_qc Well-Known Member

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    Bingo! I’ve speculated about that possibly being the case.
     
  7. ilovepierre

    ilovepierre One day, the lost will be found

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    That's very sweet of you <3
     
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  8. Deerrun

    Deerrun Well-Known Member

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    Guess thats up to the family and Jayme respectfully
     
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  9. Gardener1850

    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    Maybe he did that at first. Or maybe he only drove to town of Gordon and back. IDK. For 87 days Jayme had not gotten out from under the bed when he left on multiple occasions, sometimes for up to 12 hours at a time. On the two times when he thought she tried due to the barbells being moved he yelled and hit her on the back with a handle. On day 88 he might have figured he had more control over her psychologically than he did and could tell her 6 hours when it was only a 30 minute trip he planned. I'm just speculating he made some mistake when leaving like he forgot to leave the radio on and she could hear him leave and tell he was really gone. I'm also not sure that she used his driveway when she left. She might have gone through the woods in case he was near the driveway. He saw her footprints in the snow and the dog walker said she came out of the woods.
    MOO.
     
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  10. Rosiebones

    Rosiebones Well-Known Member

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    You are right, all good points.
     
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    Lorelei1 Well-Known Member

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    Ok Sheila, I’m so sorry you’re going through this. It sounds like you had a wonderful hospital and I’m glad your medications are helping. I hope every day will become easier for you. Thank you for sharing what you’ve gone through and helping me understand what it could be like for JC. She is so blessed to have such a loving family who will always be there for her.
     
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  12. ilovechili

    ilovechili Where is the wiKKed witch? Will Oct. bring her?

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  13. Falcon500

    Falcon500 Verified Law Enforcement Detective/L.E. Procedures

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    Since he is in jail it's not practical to arrest him, take him out of jail, charge him, and then return him to jail. Much better to let the grand jury in Douglass County to indict him for any crimes occurring in that house. Remember in rural counties the grand jury might only meet twice a year.
     
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  14. Pretty Go Pale

    Pretty Go Pale Gin and Juice Boxes for ILoveChili and The Dude

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    Never said otherwise, respectfully.
     
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    Auntie Cipation Context Matters.

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    Knowing the correct PO Box isn't really required in a town the size of Barron. A future letter or package could be addressed to her at "General Delivery" with the proper zip code, and get there just fine. (once a friend sent me a postcard addressed to just my first name (a perfectly common name from the 50s-70s, along the lines of "Barbara" or "Karen") and with "PO Box ?" and the postmistress knew who it was for, lol... Post Office staff in small towns know SO much about us...)
     
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  16. ilovechili

    ilovechili Where is the wiKKed witch? Will Oct. bring her?

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    Doubtful it will be a grand jury. Pretty rare in that area. He is now also being housed in Polk County so there will be some traveling involved now.
     
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    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    From the 911 call and the criminal complaint document (links below).
    Jayme escaped and was found by the dog walker Jeanne just after 4 PM.
    Bottom of page 4 of the criminal complaint says Deputy Dittbrender was dispatched at 4:11 PM.
    Jeanne told the 911 operator he was supposed to be back by midnight. That's about 6 hours.
    The 911 call lasted about 30 minutes.
    Page 5 of complaint says 3 officers had arrived to where Jayme was by approx 4:43 PM.
    1 transported her away from the house while the other two stayed at the house.
    As Jayme was being transported from the neighbor house to the waiting ambulance JTP's car passed them and the officer with Jayme asked if that looked like his car. The officer with Jayme radioed the other two about the car passing them and they went to check it out.
    It was JTP in the car and they arrested him and he said he knew what it was about and he did it.
    It turned out he had already returned to his cabin, seen that Jayme was gone, seen her footprints in the snow and gone back out to look for her by the time he was arrested.

    Jayme Closs found: The 911 transcript - CNN
    https://media.channel3000.com/mmm-w...01901141243_1547498223382_29678410_ver1.0.pdf

    About the shoes-- fortunately Jayme was born in Wisconsin and she knew that it would be very dangerous (and potentially painful) to run across a snowy field with no shoes on. Plus, she probably didn't know how far she had to go to find help. And although I praise her for quickly grabbing some shoes she was obviously in a hurry when she left because she had the shoes on the wrong feet (Page 5 of the criminal complaint). Thank goodness she didn't worry about that and just got away as quickly as possible and found someone to help her!

    MOO.

    ETA: I also just noticed it says on page 7 of the criminal complaint that JTP left his house on Jan 1oth and told Jayme he was going to be gone "for 5 or 6 hours". So that is where the 5 or 6 hours comes from, along with Jeanne saying he was due back at "midnight" in the 911 call.
     
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  18. Sjm_qc

    Sjm_qc Well-Known Member

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    I may well be misunderstanding the legal and court system in Wisconsin, but I’m not sure what a grand jury has to do with this. I don’t think it (grand jury) applies to or comes into this case.

    I believe that if Douglas county decides to charge him with offences committed there, the DA/prosecutors can do so directly, no need for a grand jury.

    Am I wrong?
     
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  19. ilovechili

    ilovechili Where is the wiKKed witch? Will Oct. bring her?

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    With all due respect, they took a box in Rice Lake, probably to keep packages away from their home address/deliveries/town and for safety and privacy would be my guess. I would not try to send something to their town or home, no matter how nice a gesture it might be. jmho. meant with all respect.
     
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  20. girlhasnoname

    girlhasnoname Well-Known Member

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    Just my thoughts on JP and this crime with what we know today:

    I can see JP's departure <read probably booted out> from the Marines as a big trigger for him although he didn't act out until later. He was working his way up IMO.

    We've seen how he alluded in his yearbook about being 'done with school' and looking forward to the Marines,

    We've seen a picture of him with his Mom and Sister announcing he's 'leaving soon' to be the big, bad Marine,

    His Dad is able to move closer to his job after years of a long commute, because PF was away being The Marine.

    Maybe this was one of the few times in his life that he could display his inflated ego, gain pride from his family/others and potentially become a killer in real life (during combat). I do believe once he 'failed' at this, he spiraled. Probably didn't show any blatant outward signs or raise alarming red flags to others as he basically sequestered himself at home and participated just enough within the family to satisfy their questions or concerns.

    JP was humiliated I think. He withdrew, stewed, simmered, planned and plotted. He probably placated his parents by searching for jobs and putting in applications, maybe they weren't even aware he wasn't working full time. JMO

    How it went from this point and his actions the night of Oct 15th is beyond comprehension. I think he immersed himself in para military type mindset and planned a big F U to his 'beloved' Marines. I can't help but wonder if there are some type of criminal activities he committed during this time? I wonder if we'll ever really know?

    Ticking time bomb JP and I believe he carried this out without one ounce of emotion because he is emotionless. He doesn't feel remorse or empathy for others, classic personality disorder signs. I think society dodged a budding serial killer with his arrest I really do. I'm just sorry James, Denise and Jayme had to pay the price. :(

    All JMOO

    ETA: Corrected the defendants initials

     
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