Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #40

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  1. oviedo

    oviedo Well-Known Member

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    I guess it could go back to his LE interview where he said that she was the chosen girl he would take when he saw her at the bus (paraphrasing) either he wanted the thrill of the kill and the taking and then murder or all of the above except he planned to keep her? I just don’t know how this kind of mind works JMO I’ve been thinking the latter - a companion
     


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    I have to agree that I was perplexed by that question when I listened to the call. Maybe it was just a poor choice of a word used by the operator trying to determine if Jayme had just escaped and was seeking help, opposed to trying to determine if Jayme just appeared calmly seeking assistance. I don't know, clearly Jayme indicated who she was and asked for help immediately upon encountering the dog walker. I too thought it was an odd question, but we also have subsequently learned that the 911 operator immediately knew of the "gravity" of the call and learning Jayme was found and alive probably shocked her as much as much as it shocked all of when the news broke.
     
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    That is their spin on it, and their math doesn't add up. As for the operator, she wasn't doing anything to keep them calm. They were keeping themselves calm. The operator even said that.

    The operator started the call off as if it was a false report. I doubt that she even dispatched the help, until well into the call.
     
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  4. Mom24

    Mom24 Well-Known Member

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    They are trained, but tires are tires and laws of physics and friction still apply, even in Wisconsin for the best trained LE.
     
  5. Rhenish

    Rhenish Well-Known Member

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    This makes sense.
     
  6. MemPat

    MemPat Without Art the Earth is just Eh!

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    Wow, I hope I'm misunderstanding that you minimize what Jayme has gone through. Both her father and mother had their heads blown off (her mother's right in front of her in a tiny bathroom), she was taped up, thrown into a cold, dark trunk for two hours, then stuffed under a bed for 88 days....at 13 years old! She didn't know if she would ever get away. What could really be worse?
     
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  7. Ibiz

    Ibiz Once I thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.

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    That's very possible... I will have to hear it again. It was right at the beginning of the call... where the lady said something like: "we have missing girl Jayme Closs here," and the operator said something to the effect of "is she trying to run?" I do think the operator may have just been in shock, and reality hadn't set in.
     
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  8. ab01

    ab01 Ooh Rah

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    Why anybody would question if LE got to jc as fast as they could is beyond me. Of course they did!
     
  9. Mom24

    Mom24 Well-Known Member

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    The way he kept her reminds me of how a child will keep a stray cat hidden in their room. It's odd that he had no preparations for her, when he goes on and on about how he thought and prepared for the abduction, even down to removing the dome light in his car and taking a shower before he left.
     
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    There are other ways of abusing and terrorizing a person beyond physically striking them. Even if she was "only hit once", she'd just seen her parents' heads blown off by the very man who had abducted her. In addition, we don't know everything that happened. Very little about her imprisonment by JP has been released.

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  11. Auntie Cipation

    Auntie Cipation Context Matters.

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    IMO, the 911 dispatcher had no idea of Jayme's state of mind, whether she was panicking and trying to keep running to get farther away, etc. Or as someone above me just mentioned, maybe she was in active fear of JP showing up there. In hindsight knowing the loop nature of the neighborhood and how far from "town" they were, we wouldn't expect JC to try to run away from her helpers, but the dispatcher did not have that context, even with being told the address. I'd also guess that past people escaping from kidnappers have sometimes run from their rescuers, perhaps not knowing who to trust, and thus the dispatcher asked because it's policy to do so.
     
  12. 1&2&3

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    Do they still make chains for tires to use on ice? Grew up in the north, had snow tires from November to April, but also had chains for ice. We lived on top of a mountain and I never walked it, those chains were wonderful!

    Why would LE not use them in rural WI to be able to get to the far out places? If it was rural, there probably wasn’t such a thing as road service to clear the roads. Any ideas?
     
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    No, they are talking about the response of LE to the 911 call when they were called to the town of Gordon after Jayme had escaped. I thought the response was professional and prompt with the safety of all involved taken well into consideration. JMO.
     
  14. mtnlites

    mtnlites President of the Imaginary Friends' Club

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    We have chains on our SUV. They still make them. Even with them on, though, speed can be an issue and dangerous.
     
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    IIRC, medical help was sent.... the police set up a perimeter until they could secure JP, and the ambulance was beyond that perimeter until it could be let in...
     
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    I think LE more than likely was looking for the maroon Taurus, which there are lots of them. I guess they just didn't feel they had enough of a description to give to us to look for it. However, could they have asked the maroon car that yielded that night on hwy 8 at approx. 1:00 a.m. to please contact LE, in case they had seen something?
     
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  18. Mom24

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    Depends on what they allow or vote in for budget purposes. Not all dept's have the resources financially for chains, and if there's water on the ice (a little melting) the chains will help, but you'll still slip.
     
  19. SeekingJana

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    There seems to be a misunderstanding regarding what taxidermy is or is not.
    A 12 year old who gutted various dead and decaying animals called " roadkill" is experimenting and playing with pathogen-ridden refuse for the shock value, as seen by his efforts being used to scare his little girlfriend at the time.

    Professional taxidermy is likely either very familiar or at least somewhat familiar to ALL of us and there is a clear cut distinction between a professionally mounted deer head, or a pheasant poised with wire as if in flight with no residual tissue or bacteria, from what a 12 year old could and would do at home.

    We have friends who have what they consider to be very valuable and possibly sentimental, IDK, professionally mounted deer heads, steer heads ( it's Texas and the steer was a prized and loved steer, usually) and I know they spend thousands of dollars to get clean, non-deteriorating lifelike work done by an adult who has special skills and training to be a taxidermist. We often eat at a landmark Texas restaurant which has famous prize winning steer head mounts in almost every space on their walls, and according to my husband who ate at the same restaurant 35 years ago, they are not new mounts but are the same apparently very special steers who have graced the walls for many years.

    IMO, it is not a valid argument to favorably or equitably compare
    what has been said about a boy's likely dismemberment, removing all internal organs and tissues, skinning, and stuffing some really weird old dead thing in the backyard or basement with actual taxidermy specimens of normal to exceptional quality using freshly dead and properly frozen or otherwise preserved animals for professional work.

    JP had issues which began when he was a child, IMO, according to what we have just started finding out. If he didn't think his " animal work" was creepy, why would he throw a dog's head on his girlfriend? Answer- He knew it was weird and creepy and that's WHY he did it. He wanted to provoke her into a startled reaction, and she threw him out. He retaliated with a criminal act of destruction- JP slashed the tires of one of the family's cars.

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  20. JaneEyre

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    In general, chains are not good for high speed driving like LE has to do. They may have a couple of rescue SUVs kitted out with them for specific situations, but not every patrol car.
     
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