Found Alive WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *Arrest* #40

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  1. Investgator

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    I'm happy jayme is home give her the reward
     
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  2. bronk4

    bronk4 Well-Known Member

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    humans make mistakes
    even experts in their particular field forget things
    ---ie= pilots forget to drop their landing gear
    ---ie=serial killer Randy Kraft is driving around the freeways with dead bodies and what happens? the cops stop him when he has a dead body in the car
     
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  3. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    His applying for a job in Superior WI freaks me out.

    Minong is 13 miles away and there are plenty of places to apply for jobs there . I believe Link makes their yummy jerky there along with other Link businesses, for instance.

    Why is he driving so far away with a junker car?

    There are lots of rural isolated roads between Superior and Gordon where he could go looking for another lonely victim. Since he has plenty of family in Superior, I bet he has done some scouting of those little highways from Gordon to Superior.

    There is no way I will believe that he has not done other crimes. Burglary, window peeping, shoplifting.

    I wonder if he stole from relatives or merely got handouts at family functions?
     
  4. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Poor kid. She just wants to fade into as normal a life as she can. People need to leave her the F alone. Not make her some sort of ghoulish "inspiration".
     
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  5. PrairieWind

    PrairieWind Verified Attorney

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    I do a fair amount of criminal defense work. But, I have NO IDEA what i would do if this case landed on my desk. As a private practice attorney, I get to pick and choose my clients. But public defenders don't.
     
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    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    I'm talking about the pundits quoted in the article. They're stretching hard. I saw te same thing in the Watts family case. One dude kept going on and on about how he would get CW's confession thrown out and this was a winnable case, etc.
    It's advertising I think.
     
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  7. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Me either. Probably just make sure they prove their case and due process is upheld. Have him assessed for mental issues even though it is improbable that he could use that as a defense but they have to do their due diligence. And it could be used as a mitigator at sentencing. (Although we all know it won't here. It's going to be LWOP if eligible in Wisconsin).

    Then maybe try to work on a plea. Guilty to all and no Douglas County charges. That's the best I think they can do.
     
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  8. bronk4

    bronk4 Well-Known Member

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    I haven't read too
    I was in the USMC for 8 years --early 80s to 90
    ...we had 1 youngster that didn't want to be in, so he slacked around...finally they kicked him out
    ...another one was ''harassed''/etc by other Marines.....he was sent to get a psychiatric test and he got kicked out...I think he was in fact a little crazy
    ...we had a few that did some drugs, got Captain's Mast [ which is not a court martial ]...of these, some got kicked out, some screwed up again and then got kicked out
    ...most make it ok...but there are one or two who just don't/can't ''fit in'' to a regimented/discipline type of ''work''---they ''constantly'' can't do the ''right'' things
    bold for emphasis only
     
  9. Hope4More

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    1. Try in every way, no matter how desperate and far fetched, to get that confession ruled inadmissable.

    2. Pounce on any and every inconsistency in testimonies, and any and every deviation from standard LE handling of evidence.

    3. Try in any way, no matter how impossible, to "humanize" the *** through bottom of the barrel expert "mitigation" witnesses.

    4. Make pie-in-the sky change of venue and voir dire demands in pre-trial motions, to lay the foundation for appeals based on denial of due-process.

    5. Hope the ***-client pleads rather than insists on a trial, hope that if he doesn't, that the trial is short and that he doesn't decide to take the stand, thus blowing up whatever could be accomplished for him.

    ;)
     
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    human Well-Known Member

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    Over the months, Jayme was in the hearts of many. The pictures of her with her mother when she was younger were so adorable.

    Then to hear of her nightmares and then her incredible escape!

    Right now the US is filled with bizarre things .

    Jayme is a light of innocence and hope. We cannot help but be cheered and enthralled.

    I imagine that he relatives are keeping her away from much of what is going on. I imagine they are in contact with Elizabeth Smart, for instance, on what is best for Jayme.

    We have a need for something good and pure right now. She has touched so many . I know I am rejoicing not just for her but for humanity.

    Jayme wanted to help the poor. Maybe some day she can understand how much her spirit lifted people.

    Being a hero is a hard place to be.
     
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  11. bronk4

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    I was in the Marines for 8 years
    ...it says he got ''booted'' out of BootCamp?
    ...I know for sure we had 1 kicked out of BootCamp from our platoon of about 70--he just said no, he wasn't going to do anymore
    ...2 or 3 were sent to the ''special'' platoon because they couldn't hack the physical demands
    ...when I got to my first duty station we had 2 kicked out--1 just didn't want to be there and slacked
    ..the other I believe was a little psycho
    ..we had about 2 more get kicked out for drugs
     
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    The killer was gone for 12 hours at Christmas. The relatives live 40 miles away in Superior.

    What would he be doing at a family function for 10 hours? I do not believe he was there for ten hours.

    Christmas is a great time for burglaries. I wonder if there were any in his range ? I bet there was some window peeping going on. Maybe he was scoping out a new victim.

    But no way do I believe he was at a ten hour Christmas celebration
     
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    A normal life...another thing JP took away from her..:(:(
     
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    ...IMO, --from my readings--I think a lot of times you can't tell if someone is a '''crazy''' serial killer/murderer/abductor and/or will be in the future
    ...the BTK serial killer was elected to the church council and was a Cub Scout leader
    ...they seem ''normal''
    .....I don't know how many times I've read neighbors describing maniac killers as ''just a normal guy/friendly/nice/keeps to himself/etc'''
    ...
     
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    I don't personally care what label or diagnosis might be slapped onto him, or if one is at all. I was just referring to what was said in the article and going from there. I don't like speculating about what horrors may have befallen Jayme while in captivity, but I like to be part of a group convo. The article, and speculating about what kind of defense might be put forth, just offered a topic of conversation. I certainly didn't mean to imply that I thought his actions should be excused for any reason.
     
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    Unfortunately these are the kind of cases where an attorney can make "a name for themselves". If they find any sort of crack that can get this case dismissed because of false evidence, coercion or any other thing like that, it can mean big money for them. I am not by any means saying this will definitely happen or that I agree with it, however, it happens. These high Profile cases also bring out private law firms offering to do the case Pro Bono just to get their names out there.
     
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    sleuther0192837465 Stand up for what is right even if you stand alone

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    Is JP’s next appearance scheduled for Feb. 6th? Does anyone know what time & will it be televised?
    TIA
     
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  18. gitana1

    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Obviously his issues and motivations are quite complex. I should have said the "purpose" rather than why. We aren't naive on these boards. There has never been one case where a girl was kidnapped by a non-relative for other reasons that I can recall.
     
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    I am wondering that too, about being televised. I believe that at some point they will move it out of Barron County for a trial and I have wondered if they will purposely move it to a location that does not allow cameras in the court room.
     
  20. bronk4

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    can you name/link a few where a murderer confessed and the lawyer got him off?
    ty
     
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