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Yeah. He may have answered the door, but it was to the perpetrator, not the police.
I think that log was misinterpreted by the media.
AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #10
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I think that log was misinterpreted by the media.
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UW Extension is not a college campus. The college campus for UW Barron County is in Rice Lake. The Extension office is in Barron. Barron is in no way a college town.
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Exactly. How would he be able to answer the door for police but they didn't call in a ambulance.
They clearly state where they Found Him.
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I have been following the threads and felt to jump in for the first time just to give some working knowledge of Northern/central Wisconsin town life that doesn’t seem to have been covered that I can see. I am sorry this is a book.
UW- Barron County: this is not a college town nor a large school. It is a satellite school in the UW system. Generally student population is low - 500 or less, mostly a commuting school. Traditionally the satellite schools allow for an associates to be earned and/or allow for college bound students to get their core classes completed toward a BA/BS and live/commute from home and then transfer into any of the UW schools (UWMadison, UWSP, UWEC etc) to complete their programs. Usually most satellite campuses in the state do not have dorms associated with them.
As for UWEX - this is generally the offices that contain the County 4-H program, county Agriculture services etc. These are programs that fall under the University of Wisconsin services/umbrella offered to each and every Wisconsin county community. UWEX stands for University of Wisconsin Extension, this is not a college or university with students, usually only an office with staff of 10-12.
Small town, rural Wisconsin: I live in one a few south of Barron County. It’s not uncommon for most of the town emergency teams, less police/sheriff departments to be all volunteer (fire, EMS etc). In my community when there is a fire call the 911 call triggers the tornado sirens to go off but the tone is different - an up/down tone vs a tornado siren of a constant tone. - so not only do the teams get paged/notified but the sirens are a secondary method of notification within the community. This may prompt those who look to chase the sirens.
Not everyone has a scanner - a lot of us have a scanner app on our devices we can turn to. My county is one that has live feeds, but not all Wisconsin counties do.
As for rural gunshots: it is not gun deer season yet, that opens Saturday 11/17 . In general if you hear gunshot during any gun season (deer, black bear, goose, duck etc) it’s usually more common at first or last light to the day that these animals cross hunters paths. And if your anywhere near a rod/gun club range (normally right outside a town center), in daylight hours it’s not uncommon to hear shots as people sight their guns or target shoot. In the middle of the night is rare, but refer to the WI DNR website for what is acceptable for hunting or firing a gun at night in rural areas - not normally a common occurrence in my area.
Small towns in general in this area - people turn out for help when there is a need. No doubt about - we love our neighbors but good when there is need for help. We had our own situation and the city/people became protective of us which is not uncommon we have found. We had worked w our local LE after, they did extra swing-bys of our property daily and we found out a week later they had put a camera on our house to monitor. Sure we got the looky-loos for a few days but that got cut short with the LE frequency - no more gawking. Also - most small towns in this area you can go from a cluster of housing and a downtown area and be completely rural in a matter of minutes. Most small Wisconsin towns have a post office, bank, hair salon, a few churches, bars, mom and pop restaurant (or subway) a Kwik Trip and maybe a Dollar General. If I recall, most shopping stores like Walmart are in Rice Lake. And in this area there has been a revival of train traffic due to the frac sand industry hauling and mining in nearby areas.
As for religion class: If Jayme was a parish member with Mom at St. Peter’s, it’s not uncommon in rural Wisconsin that she would attend CCD classes on a Wednesday night. If her Parish or Parish cluster offered classes, this is usually a common day in the Diocese. Sometimes Parishes offer them on Sundays after Mass, but generally in rural Wisconsin, Wednesday nights are church nights so no school /club activities or sporting events are held past 5pm on this day to accommodate for this no matter the faith.
In regards to sex offenders: Barron happens to be the county seat. I am not too knowledgeable on this topic, but from what I understand and see in my own county - usually the halfway housing after jail release is located in our county seats, close proximity to county jail/courthouse and parole officers. So to me it does not seem unusual to see a larger number of sex offenders in the town of Barron, I don’t think in general the town has that many - think all county wide offenders all in one spot until their after sentencing changes with time/good behavior and movement into the general community population or their home towns occur.
I am sorry if this has been discussed in old threads - I kept seeing things pop up and thought I’d give a bit more information/clarification on those things we have in our state.
UW- Barron County: this is not a college town nor a large school. It is a satellite school in the UW system. Generally student population is low - 500 or less, mostly a commuting school. Traditionally the satellite schools allow for an associates to be earned and/or allow for college bound students to get their core classes completed toward a BA/BS and live/commute from home and then transfer into any of the UW schools (UWMadison, UWSP, UWEC etc) to complete their programs. Usually most satellite campuses in the state do not have dorms associated with them.
As for UWEX - this is generally the offices that contain the County 4-H program, county Agriculture services etc. These are programs that fall under the University of Wisconsin services/umbrella offered to each and every Wisconsin county community. UWEX stands for University of Wisconsin Extension, this is not a college or university with students, usually only an office with staff of 10-12.
Small town, rural Wisconsin: I live in one a few south of Barron County. It’s not uncommon for most of the town emergency teams, less police/sheriff departments to be all volunteer (fire, EMS etc). In my community when there is a fire call the 911 call triggers the tornado sirens to go off but the tone is different - an up/down tone vs a tornado siren of a constant tone. - so not only do the teams get paged/notified but the sirens are a secondary method of notification within the community. This may prompt those who look to chase the sirens.
Not everyone has a scanner - a lot of us have a scanner app on our devices we can turn to. My county is one that has live feeds, but not all Wisconsin counties do.
As for rural gunshots: it is not gun deer season yet, that opens Saturday 11/17 . In general if you hear gunshot during any gun season (deer, black bear, goose, duck etc) it’s usually more common at first or last light to the day that these animals cross hunters paths. And if your anywhere near a rod/gun club range (normally right outside a town center), in daylight hours it’s not uncommon to hear shots as people sight their guns or target shoot. In the middle of the night is rare, but refer to the WI DNR website for what is acceptable for hunting or firing a gun at night in rural areas - not normally a common occurrence in my area.
Small towns in general in this area - people turn out for help when there is a need. No doubt about - we love our neighbors but good when there is need for help. We had our own situation and the city/people became protective of us which is not uncommon we have found. We had worked w our local LE after, they did extra swing-bys of our property daily and we found out a week later they had put a camera on our house to monitor. Sure we got the looky-loos for a few days but that got cut short with the LE frequency - no more gawking. Also - most small towns in this area you can go from a cluster of housing and a downtown area and be completely rural in a matter of minutes. Most small Wisconsin towns have a post office, bank, hair salon, a few churches, bars, mom and pop restaurant (or subway) a Kwik Trip and maybe a Dollar General. If I recall, most shopping stores like Walmart are in Rice Lake. And in this area there has been a revival of train traffic due to the frac sand industry hauling and mining in nearby areas.
As for religion class: If Jayme was a parish member with Mom at St. Peter’s, it’s not uncommon in rural Wisconsin that she would attend CCD classes on a Wednesday night. If her Parish or Parish cluster offered classes, this is usually a common day in the Diocese. Sometimes Parishes offer them on Sundays after Mass, but generally in rural Wisconsin, Wednesday nights are church nights so no school /club activities or sporting events are held past 5pm on this day to accommodate for this no matter the faith.
In regards to sex offenders: Barron happens to be the county seat. I am not too knowledgeable on this topic, but from what I understand and see in my own county - usually the halfway housing after jail release is located in our county seats, close proximity to county jail/courthouse and parole officers. So to me it does not seem unusual to see a larger number of sex offenders in the town of Barron, I don’t think in general the town has that many - think all county wide offenders all in one spot until their after sentencing changes with time/good behavior and movement into the general community population or their home towns occur.
I am sorry if this has been discussed in old threads - I kept seeing things pop up and thought I’d give a bit more information/clarification on those things we have in our state.
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Barron County Sheriff Chris Fitzgerald said Monday that investigators have received more than 1,300 tips and have closed 1,100 of them. Some of the tips led to the decision to resume the ground search, he said, though he declined to elaborate.
"We've determined we'd like to search a bigger search area based on information our investigators have collected," Fitzgerald said. "These tips have led us to this."
Authorities expand ground search for missing Wisconsin girl Jayme Closs
What tips or information do you guys think could've led to these decisions? 1) to resume, and 2) to expand the area being searched?
"We've determined we'd like to search a bigger search area based on information our investigators have collected," Fitzgerald said. "These tips have led us to this."
Authorities expand ground search for missing Wisconsin girl Jayme Closs
What tips or information do you guys think could've led to these decisions? 1) to resume, and 2) to expand the area being searched?
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Volunteers should be in the process of arriving and signing up now.
I hope at the end of the day we know more than we do now.
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I hope at the end of the day we know more than we do now.
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Morning! I'm just catching up from last night.
If you are out there searching today, THANK YOU! You could be the key to solving this/potentially bringing Jayme home. Stay warm, I will be thinking about you guys today. I can't take off work all day today or I would be there.
I'm glad we got something from the press coference, any info will help keep Jayme on the news and in the back of peoples' minds. I just wish Sheriff Fitzgerald would give us a concrete timeline of the family's whereabouts that day. As far as I know he hasn't ever confirmed the 12:31 time of shots by neighbor Joan and hasn't said where and when the birthday party was, if Jayme and Denise stopped on the way there or back, if James went anywhere, etc. I can't help feeling this might jog someone's memory of something relevant. I still am impressed with his case management in what must surely be a unique and trying situation for him and his officers.
The vehicles
My money is on the Ford Edge, not the Acura assuming the SUV is from relatively nearby. Someone else (sorry, I dont remember who!) pointed out the scarcity of foreign cars here in rural Wisconsin and I am in total agreement. I am thinking this Challenger is unique enough it will be identified quickly if the person driving is anywhere close by.
Thanks for the link to the sex offender vehicle information page Jethro4WS, I never knew that detail existed! I am struck by the number of offenders in the city of Barron. There are 42 offenders in a city of 3318 (2017). Which means there is one sex offender for every 79 people. That is over four times higher than the rate for the rest of Wisconsin! The only nearby city with a higher rate was Almena. There isn't any transitional house I am aware of and the map shows no clusters, I wonder what it is that attracts them here?
One more thing. The media silence by the family and locals to me is not out of character with a group of people desperately trying to bring a little girl home. Most people in Barron know eachother, grew up together and most knew the Closs's as they were longtime residents and worked at the number one employer in the County (the Casino is second). If you know someone from the area they would likely talk your ear off about the case, theories, etc, but the media/reporters are very much outsiders. It is partly solidarity with the Closs family (and not being the type of people you would talk negatively about anyway) and partly this weariness of media and exploitation not to mention fear of the suspects themselves. If a suspect is charged/named from here I would expect a bit more of an open attitude towards reporters.
If you made it this far, I comend you! Can you tell I am the type of person who never had trouble reaching the minimum number of words in essays? I'm an early riser and I just have so many opinions! I am really enjoying all the insight shared here, I think every person knows more about a certain topic than I do, and sharing what you know really adds to the discussion.
If you are out there searching today, THANK YOU! You could be the key to solving this/potentially bringing Jayme home. Stay warm, I will be thinking about you guys today. I can't take off work all day today or I would be there.
I'm glad we got something from the press coference, any info will help keep Jayme on the news and in the back of peoples' minds. I just wish Sheriff Fitzgerald would give us a concrete timeline of the family's whereabouts that day. As far as I know he hasn't ever confirmed the 12:31 time of shots by neighbor Joan and hasn't said where and when the birthday party was, if Jayme and Denise stopped on the way there or back, if James went anywhere, etc. I can't help feeling this might jog someone's memory of something relevant. I still am impressed with his case management in what must surely be a unique and trying situation for him and his officers.
The vehicles
My money is on the Ford Edge, not the Acura assuming the SUV is from relatively nearby. Someone else (sorry, I dont remember who!) pointed out the scarcity of foreign cars here in rural Wisconsin and I am in total agreement. I am thinking this Challenger is unique enough it will be identified quickly if the person driving is anywhere close by.
Thanks for the link to the sex offender vehicle information page Jethro4WS, I never knew that detail existed! I am struck by the number of offenders in the city of Barron. There are 42 offenders in a city of 3318 (2017). Which means there is one sex offender for every 79 people. That is over four times higher than the rate for the rest of Wisconsin! The only nearby city with a higher rate was Almena. There isn't any transitional house I am aware of and the map shows no clusters, I wonder what it is that attracts them here?
One more thing. The media silence by the family and locals to me is not out of character with a group of people desperately trying to bring a little girl home. Most people in Barron know eachother, grew up together and most knew the Closs's as they were longtime residents and worked at the number one employer in the County (the Casino is second). If you know someone from the area they would likely talk your ear off about the case, theories, etc, but the media/reporters are very much outsiders. It is partly solidarity with the Closs family (and not being the type of people you would talk negatively about anyway) and partly this weariness of media and exploitation not to mention fear of the suspects themselves. If a suspect is charged/named from here I would expect a bit more of an open attitude towards reporters.
If you made it this far, I comend you! Can you tell I am the type of person who never had trouble reaching the minimum number of words in essays? I'm an early riser and I just have so many opinions! I am really enjoying all the insight shared here, I think every person knows more about a certain topic than I do, and sharing what you know really adds to the discussion.
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Evan Frost @efrostee
'Barron County Sheriff is asking for 2000 volunteers this morning to help search for #JaymeCloss. We’re 5 Miles North of town and the crime scene, it’s unclear why the search is happening here.'
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'Barron County Sheriff is asking for 2000 volunteers this morning to help search for #JaymeCloss. We’re 5 Miles North of town and the crime scene, it’s unclear why the search is happening here.'
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Obituary for James and Denise Closs at Rausch & Steel Funeral Home
This is the obituary for the Closs parents.
This is the obituary for the Closs parents.
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Danny SpewakVerified account @DannySpewak
'In about an hour, 2,000 volunteers in Western Wisconsin will begin searching for evidence in the Jayme Closs case. Here's our coverage from last night, as Jayme's fellow choir members sang at a Gathering of Hope event https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYdDZ6-lQd4 … via @kare11'
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Bill KellerVerified account @billkellerfox9
'HAPPEN NOW: Barren Co. Sheriff recruiting 2,000 volunteers for massive search effort to locate missing Wisconsin 13 y.o. Jayme Closs. #FindJayme'
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*Photos at link
'In about an hour, 2,000 volunteers in Western Wisconsin will begin searching for evidence in the Jayme Closs case. Here's our coverage from last night, as Jayme's fellow choir members sang at a Gathering of Hope event https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYdDZ6-lQd4 … via @kare11'
Danny Spewak on Twitter
Bill KellerVerified account @billkellerfox9
'HAPPEN NOW: Barren Co. Sheriff recruiting 2,000 volunteers for massive search effort to locate missing Wisconsin 13 y.o. Jayme Closs. #FindJayme'
Bill Keller on Twitter
*Photos at link
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Chris ÉgertVerified account @cegertKSTP
'New Ground Search for Jayme Closs to Start 9a Today'
New Ground Search for Jayme Closs to Start Tuesday
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'New Ground Search for Jayme Closs to Start 9a Today'
New Ground Search for Jayme Closs to Start Tuesday
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This has been gnawing at me; if the dad’s body is in the front doorway it stands to reason that the killer and JC would have had to exit another door....Rather than climb over the body and risk leaving footprints in blood, etc
So was the killer familiar with the home enough to just FIND another way out? What door did they take? I’m not familiar enough w the floor plan of the house to know if u can exit the lower level garage without opening the large garage door(ie a side door).
Out in rural Wisconsin, especially in an area this dark, I know most people have some sort of motion light by their garage or patio doors, is that the case here? Bc a car pulling into the driveway would signal that motion light drawing attention to a car especially when they first pulled in or walked up to the front door.
If they fled on foot would they have exited thru a diff door straight into the woods?
So was the killer familiar with the home enough to just FIND another way out? What door did they take? I’m not familiar enough w the floor plan of the house to know if u can exit the lower level garage without opening the large garage door(ie a side door).
Out in rural Wisconsin, especially in an area this dark, I know most people have some sort of motion light by their garage or patio doors, is that the case here? Bc a car pulling into the driveway would signal that motion light drawing attention to a car especially when they first pulled in or walked up to the front door.
If they fled on foot would they have exited thru a diff door straight into the woods?
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I wonder if this means they are actually searching near the Hungry Hollow or just haven't transported the search groups to the search area yet. He seems to suggest the former.
Respectfully snipped for focus.
Thanks for this info, it could be relevant to this and similar cases. I wonder if this situation increases the risk of sex crimes in these or nearby communities? It may or may not have been a factor in this case, but it makes me think of a few others.
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