AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #14

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  1. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    You mentioned "B&E" Seeking Jane.
    I asked my neighbour why she had a big block of wood, against her sliding door, reaching both ends, inside her immaculate lounge room.
    There had been a burglary where entry was by the glass sliding door.
    She now wants, the sliding door removed and replaced, by a door, that opens into her lounge room.
     


  2. RavenDoc

    RavenDoc Active Member

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    Yes! People love to Monday Morning Quarterback. It’s hunting season....a shot would be odd at that time, but typically not something we would call police over around here. We have wolf populations coming back and definitely bears. A shot or two could have been to scare something off.
     
  3. 1987

    1987 Former Member

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    the school she was going to and the new one, does anyone know the ages or grades there? could there of been someone like senior aged that she had regular contact with? someone could have developed a unhealthy interest in her. I just don't know the ages as different districts or at least here some have all ages or the ages are in different building but just a sidewalk separating them.
     
  4. sleuther0192837465

    sleuther0192837465 Stand up for what is right even if you stand alone

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    I completely agree with you. In your opinion, do you think the perp was known to one of the Closses? Or at least local to the area? MOO
     
  5. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    Agree; I don't think they were trying to be "sneaky" at all. The attack seems very *bold*.
    I keep trying to think of who would be inclined to make such a *bold* attack.

    I settle on someone with experience kicking down doors and quite fearless, or someone just completely out of their mind. I'm leaning to the former. I'm not saying this was a professional hit, but the sheer boldness speaks to a confidence in their ability to get in and out without concern. Someone with superior physical strength.

    I know many have commented that it's not too tough to kick in a door. Well yes, if it's a bedroom door, but a front door is very different. It's solid! There is a technique, and it does require a certain amount of mass and strength. I'd be extremely interested to know what type of boot/shoe print they got off that door, if in fact it was "kicked in". I'm betting it was a workman's boot print of some sort. Those big black steel-toed boots.

    Amateur opinion and speculation
     
  6. MimosaMornings

    MimosaMornings Well- Known Member

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    Wow, I was surprised to see in their obituary that they had worked at Jennie-O for 27 years. So DC would have started when she was 19 years old and JC when he was 29.

    Working with her flowers - could mean working with indoor flowers, flower arrangements (wreaths, etc) - not necessarily outdoors. Feeding birds could mean filling up a bird feeder on her back deck so she could watch from inside while she had her morning coffee. Just my opinion....

    James and Denise Closs | Obituaries | chippewa.com
     
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  7. KLM6

    KLM6 Well-Known Member

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    Agree. The neighbor stated early that she thought it was a neighbor shooting a bear. I think this is normal in that area, and the folks all know it.
     
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    kkdj Well-Known Member

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    I think the perp was probably known to the family. jmo
     
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  9. sleuther0192837465

    sleuther0192837465 Stand up for what is right even if you stand alone

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    Agreed. MOO
     
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  10. BlinkOfAnI

    BlinkOfAnI Well-Known Member

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    Out of all drug related violent crime cases I worked with meth was the most horrifying, violent, spur of the moment, and for no rhyme or reason. It can be Dr Jekyll and Mr. Hyde in an instant. Between the meth problem in that area, the arrest of a person for meth living minutes away (police say not related) and lack of evidence to make an arrest after all this time it really makes me wonder. Birds of a feather hang out together and it's possible one of those visiting birds saw Jayme while driving by a month, week, or a day earlier and turned into Mr. Hyde that night. Just one of many thoughts I've had. Apologies for the length. Guess I got a little to wrapped up in what I meant to be much shorter. This case has my brained in overdrive. I started out just wanting to post what's below to show the craziness that can come from meth.
    This article explains it to the T!

    {"Once people who are on meth become psychotic, they are very dangerous," said Dr. Alex Stalcup, who treated Haight Ashbury heroin users in the 1960s, but now researches meth and works with addicts in the San Francisco Bay Area suburbs. "They're completely bonkers; they're nuts. We're talking about very extreme alterations of normal brain function. Once someone becomes triggered to violence, there aren't any limits or boundaries."

    The Central Valley of California is a hub of the nation's methamphetamine distribution network, making extremely pure forms of the drug easily available locally. And law enforcement officials say widespread meth abuse is believed to be driving much of the crime in the vast farming region.

    Chronic use of the harsh chemical compound known as speed or crank can lead to psychosis, which includes hearing voices and experiencing hallucinations. The stimulant effect of meth is up to 50 times longer than cocaine, experts say, so users stay awake for days on end, impairing cognitive function and contributing to extreme paranoia." Your children and your spouse become your worst enemy, and you truly believe they are after you," said Bob Pennal, a recently retired meth investigator from the California Bureau of Narcotic Enforcement.}

    Horrific murder no surprise in US meth hub
     
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    I think the offender(s) realized quickly after it was noticed a person had gotten hold of a cell phone and called 911, made a decision, and got Jayme out of there as the escape was made.

    I base that on the media coverage other voices were heard yelling in the background when the 911 call was made, without the caller saying anything, so in the 4-7 minute window after the call was made, an exit by the perp(s) with Jayme happened fast.

    What that means, as far as why he (or they) took Jayme along, I don’t know. He, they (don’t know how many were acting in a criminally homicidal way) were likely acting in an illogical way once the plan fell apart. It was a short window of time to make a decision.
     
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    Not sure about experience, but maybe anger? The thing Im perplexed about is why doesnt anyone have a clue who would want to do this. I dont feel it was random at all. Unless, as it has been discussed, they got the wrong house. But Im thinking if that was the cade they wouldnt have stayed so long. So if someone was this mad at one of the parents, someone else knows it.
     
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    Evinrude Well-Known Member

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    Does anyone remember from LE talking about 911 call where they heard someone say “you don’t have to do this”? We do know that they heard “help”.
    Maybe someone on here speculated that was said.
    If that was the case, the LE enroute May have thought that would sound like a suicide attempt.
    Suicide much for common than a murder.
     
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  14. JaneEyre

    JaneEyre Kindness matters - always

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    The best way to secure a sliding glass door is to take that sucker out and put a real door in. That’s what we did.
     
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    Dum-Dum Sucker Well-Known Member

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    Same thing we said about Jacob.

    How could this happen in a little town like St. Joe....?
     
  16. Stunned

    Stunned Well-Known Member

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    That would be the ONLY way I would open door at that time of night!
     
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  17. BlinkOfAnI

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    Deleted by me. Responded to wrong post.
     
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  18. Stina

    Stina Well-Known Member

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    Exactly!
    Still think about Jacob every day.
     
  19. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    Respectfully snipped.
    FOR SURE.
    We know Mom had some debt awhile back. Not sure if this would be tied to money. IIRC, there is no indication they had any gambling problems, despite the proximity to a casino.
    If the casino connection is ruled out, I vote for someone from the plant they worked at, or some demented online lothario that the daughter connected with.
    *Amateur speculation and opinion only*
     
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    cluciano63 Well-Known Member

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    If LE did have evidence that Jayme may have at least initially escaped on foot. I,e back door...seems like they would continue to search all the areas where she could have gone. Or perhaps they saw footprints that ended, causing them to think she was then caught? Not sure why this info would be secret, though, as I think people would be more inclined to keep looking on their own. Would explain why they believe she could be alive, I guess.

    Anyway I am totally rambling...novacaine wearing off from major dental surgery...pain meds kicking in etc...
     
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