AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #17

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  1. photographer4

    photographer4 Well-Known Member

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    Ok, so how is dad the last one standing in any scenario if police seem to think dad answered the door? The only way I see that as possible is if someone left and came back... or someone was hiding on the porch after having already gotten to Jayme and her mom sometime earlier in the day?
     
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  2. WiseOwl

    WiseOwl Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for this.
     
  3. Jethro4WS

    Jethro4WS Well-Known Member

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    Possibly. We don't know exactly how close James' body was to the door, the position of the body with respect to the door, nor how big the room beyond the front door and items in it as to how easy it would be to simply walk around his body.
     
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    What is this about the McDonalds?? Did they already find something like this? Or is this just a random example???

    Also Mcdonalds is located right next to Jenni-O Turkey factory
     
  5. photographer4

    photographer4 Well-Known Member

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    Why the patio door instead of say a (possible) garage exit? If they did consciously avoid stepping over James in the front doorway, I wonder how calculated this killer was in his/her planning? It would indicate a level of conscious thought in exiting the crime scene and a more organized killer to me. A less organized killer might not even think of the ramifications of stepping over James, possibly coming into contact with blood and leaving footprints etc... But at the same time, if James is dead in the front area... I'm thinking that someone HAD to have stepped over / around him to gain access to the rest of the house... so perhaps police got bloody footprints from the inside of that doorway area?
     
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    That was a first impression by one officer prior to any analysis of the crime scene. We don't know if that is what happened, though law enforcement by now would likely know from forensics, including forensic reconstruction of the crime scene, and flow (sequence of events).
     
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    There is a McDonalds right next to Jenni-O Turkey factory
     
  8. Miss Mimi

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    Very true, I was just going on the assumption of them seeing his feet.
     
  9. Ellie1

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    This was me thinking I had heard a McDonald's wrapper mentioned as an example of what to look for during the 2000 person search but I could have been wrong. It may be a random example. There is nothing definitive that I can find to connect it. I'll keep looking though. Might just be my memory playing tricks sorry!!
     
  10. Miss Mimi

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    The McDonald's comment was more than likely a way of saying, no matter how insignificant you think something is, chances are it could be of some importance.?
     
  11. Ellie1

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    I think you might be right. Sorry for the sidetracking o_O
     
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    This cloaks it like a methodical transition strategy, but all the signs are there that the tips are drying up, they're scaling down and it's getting cold:
    • Sheriff Chris Fitzgerald said that the "declining number of tips" has prompted "us to shrink our operations" from a round-the-clock Emergency Operations Center to a "more deliberate and methodical effort to progress the investigation."
    • "We're in this digital world, and we just can't get it," the sheriff said...
    • However, the Sheriff's Office has yet to verify any credible information about the teen's whereabouts.
    I believe the sheriff's office and FBI has done everything they can. I also believe there is more that they know that hasn't been released to the public. Why not release more facts? If the info given out to date hasn't refreshed anyone's memory leading to a credible tip, maybe releasing another fact or even profiler's outline would. If nothing else, it would keep her in the news instead of becoming forgotten as the news keeps rolling.
     
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    Seelink replied to my post about the body found at Kandiyohi County yesterday, awaiting update. Apparently though it's HQ for Jenny-0-Turkey. Coincidence? Alarm Bells?
     
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    Ok just clarifying, bc i feel like i have heard this mentioned more than once.
     
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    Agreed. It may well be that JC was shot when they entered, but that is not a proven fact, at least for us. Just because he was in the doorway doesn't mean that he was necessarily shot as they were entering the house. It may be the initial impression, and it may be the correct order of events, but we don't know that for sure. It isn't the only possibility.
     
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    Per a recently posted article:
    Body is found in a farm field near Willmar

    Sounds to me that LE already knows the sex and identity of the victim. I'd think we would have heard something from Barron LE and FBI by now if it was JLC. Given that, I believe this will be soon be confirmed to be unrelated. Jmo
     
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    Thanks for posting this. These guys do a rational analysis of this baffling case. I live one county away and this is the worst crime that's ever happened around here. It's discouraging to hear the investigation is being scaled back. I pity that poor girl.

    I think the perp is a local person flying below the cop's radar screen. Somebody with secret homicidal tendencies who became obsessed with Jayme. Somebody who observed her and learned where she lived but that didn't draw attention to himself. In this largely rural area there are hundreds of isolated farms and homesteads. I think the perp is a guy similar to Jaenke-Annis but with more dangerous proclivities. In other words, not just a guy obsessed enough with Jayme to enter the Closs home to steal the missing girl's panties and dress, but to kick in the door, murder the parents, and abduct Jayme herself. Same type guy, only more radical, more intense, and more dangerous. If he stole Jayme to make her his secret, prisoner wife, she may be still alive. The alternative is too sad to talk about.
     
  19. Jethro4WS

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    Yes. For some reason people have taken the "seeing feet" part as if it meant his feet were seen beyond the door and that may not be the case at all simply because as officers got closer and closer to the house and with an open door would be able to see further into the house as they got closer and be able to see even further if lights were on in the room beyond the front door.

    So there is no way for us to determine just how close James was to the door.

    Same with his position. His body may not have been found in line with the door and for example, could have been perpendicular to the door with only his feet visible from the vantage point of approaching the front door and the rest of him only observable by entering the front door and looking to the right. We simply do not know.
     
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    Your comment made me wonder - how did LE get around / out of the house then without leaving any bloody prints? Maybe the front entry is wider than I envisioned and it was easier than I think to step over James :(
     
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