AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #18

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  1. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    I did not suggest they had been left alive. I thought you did, when you stated she would be returned to her parents. That's what confused me.
     
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  2. peace9274

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    I remember Elizabeth Smart said that, for several days, she could hear the people searching for her and the helicopters above, from the camp her perp & his wife had made prior to abducting her.

    Does anyone remember why the dogs didn’t find her?
     
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  3. Jethro4WS

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    The FBI have experts that do vehicle make and model identification. Also, I am sure you have heard of facial recognition. Well, there is such a thing as Vehicle Make and Model Recognition software that exists. There are limits to human and software abilities.

    However, there are physical differences between the Challenger and that specific Monte Carlo. In particular the angle (or slope) of the rear window and the length of the trunk/rear end in proportion to the length of the car overall are rather obvious. I doubt either of those differences are something an expert would get wrong. There are likely other aspects of the car dimensions relative to positions of things like any side marker lights or door handle or wheel well, etc. that can be used to differentiate one model from another or differentiate between model years for a specific make and model of vehicle.

    Plus, it should be noted that law enforcement in Barron said that vehicle in Oshkosh was unrelated and police in Oshkosh dismissed it as well. That came from Paul Blume the reporter for KMSP Fox 9.
     
  4. Oakland CA

    Oakland CA Well-Known Member

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    So, after she runs out of the house scared, shocked and traumatized by what she just witnessed, someone driving by picks her up and now that person has her?

    Highly unlikely IMO
     
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    This sums up the whole thread.
     
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  6. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Exactly. First off, she would have had to escape that house, which is extremely unlikely.

    Secondly, some guy with nefarious intent would have had to have been driving by at that precise moment.

    No one gets that lucky. Or unlucky.
     
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  8. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I think it's pretty clear that whoever killed her parents are responsible for her abduction. Imo
     
  9. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    Short and right to the point!
     
  10. Lizzack1

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    JMO Why would someone targeting Jayme not expect her parents to be home at that hour? Seems implausible. Not saying Jayme couldn’t have been the target, just the scenario where someone would be surprised to find the parents home. Especially at that hour. Where else would they be?
     
  11. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Exactly. This person obviously came prepared for a confrontation.

    He or they, knew that the family was in that house.
     
  12. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    It HAS happened before.... where a rape victim escapes only to be picked up by another rapist. That was in a busier area with far more people though.
    There is just no way in this particular location that it's remotely possible. The odds of someone even driving by at that time would be remote, it would be more likely to be the responding officers than anyone else.
     
  13. peace9274

    peace9274 Well-Known Member

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    MOO: I still think the perp that killed Jayme’s parents and abducted her, is a homeless guy that Jayme & her mother helped, either at a shelter, a soup kitchen or brought to their home to do handi-man work.

    MOO: I think, like Elizabeth Smart and her mom, Denise & Jayme cared about the homeless and wanted to help them.

    MOO: I think the perp/homeless guy came to the house thinking he could get in and abduct Jayme without waking her parents.

    But, I think James woke up and heard the perp trying to get in. James got his gun and opened the door slightly (chain locked). Perp pushed the door open, breaking the door/frame. A physical altercation began, perp got the gun and shot James and then Denise.

    Perp realized 911 had been called - he grabbed gun and Jayme and left.
    If not by car, then into the woods.

    MOO
     
  14. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Definitely. I could see that happening in some inner city/gang infested area. But not here, in a rural area, at that hour
     
  15. badgersmythe

    badgersmythe Well-Known Member

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    I’ve been thinking along these lines too. I think it’s someone that wouldn’t have left any digital traces, as they’d met in person via church or soup kitchen as you suggest.
     
  16. MsBetsy

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    I don't think he assumed they were not home. I don't think he cared. He didn't hesitate to shoot them both. Either that or he intended to kill them in the first place. Jmo
     
  17. SandyQLS

    SandyQLS may your life be filled with avocados

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    Hair does not decompose easily or soon iirc from very ancient gravesites because it is already dead tissue. Since they called in the drug & gang unit and not the FBI, I am betting the body in MN is a young black male likely missing from St Paul/Minn or even Chicago, maybe with some gang articles of clothing like a red hat or bandana. JMO I don't think it is related to this case.
     
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  18. Wrenny

    Wrenny Well-Known Member

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    Yike!

    It IS a US highway.
     
  19. BeeGirl

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    I think dogs are only optimal in certain situations.
     
  20. Wrenny

    Wrenny Well-Known Member

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    People keep bringing up this idea. Do people really rely on a chain lock for their outside door security? I don't remember ever having a front door without a deadbolt.
     
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