AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #23

[BlinkOfAnI]

It's so hard to know with so little info on the crime scene.

I'm desperate lol. But I need some sort of starting point.
ETA the rest

 

[CuriousMaine]

Yes. And the Dairy farm? Where is that located and why did they want to park there? LE that is.

Under a half a mile to the east, according to google maps: Google Maps

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

I would say number one initially except Denise and Jaymes were left at the crime scene. If Jayme was the target, she was in my opinion, well number one still fits that profile unfortunately.

It's so interesting to get the perspective of others. Thank you!

 

[Gardener1850]

I hate to say this, and don't want to say this, but are we to the point that perhaps, Jayme could have been part of this?

jmo

No.

JMO.

 

[lonetraveler]

Spoiler alert ?? Sorry, I thought we all had seen this

Thank you for providing the link. I had not seen this until now.

 

[tiffkinsadder]

It's so interesting to get the perspective of others. Thank you!

You’re welcome!

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

I would say number one initially except Denise and Jaymes were left at the crime scene. If Jayme was the target, she was in my opinion, well number one still fits that profile unfortunately.

Adding this info from the article in reference to "organized" category

• Residency: Organized offenders may be married, have a family, and be well liked by their friends. Disorganized offenders, because of their mental instability and immaturity, tend to live alone or with a family member.

• Proximity: The location of the perpetrator’s home in relationship to the crime scene is important. Most kill close to home, a factor that is particularly true with the first few victims. The area close to home is a comfort zone. With experience, however, the killer may move his predatory boundaries farther and farther from home.

• Social skills: Killers who use a ruse to ensnare their victims, like Ted Bundy did, typically possess good social skills, whereas those who use a blitz-style attack are less comfortable with conversation.

• Work and military histories: Organized offenders more often have a stable work history and are more likely to have left any military service with an honorable discharge. Disorganized offenders often are quite simply too unstable to hold a job in the long term or to complete military service.

• Educational level: Organized offenders tend to have more schooling than their disorganized counterparts."

There is more but trying to keep it brief
Forensics: Profiling the Perpetrator - dummies

 

[tiffkinsadder]

It's so interesting to get the perspective of others. Thank you!

*James

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

*James

Figured you meant that. TY

 

[Le Singe]

• Disorganized offenders: These criminals usually live alone or with a relative, possess lower-than-average intelligence, are unemployed or work at menial jobs, and often have mental illnesses. They act impulsively, or as if they have little control over their fantasy-driven needs. They rarely use ruses to gain the victim’s confidence, but rather attack with sudden violence, overwhelming the victim. The crime scene often is messy and chaotic. This type of offender doesn’t plan ahead or bring tools along, but rather uses whatever is handy. As killers, they typically leave the body at the scene and exert little effort to avoid leaving behind evidence. Some have sexual contact with the victim after killing him or her.

I'm thinking disorganized notice the part i bolded. I'm thinking most perps are at least somewhat mixed but I think this guy is more towards the disorganized end and has gotten away thus far based on luck and on the fact that he was not well know by the family and thus not an obvious suspect.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

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[pepper 34]

Educating myself after reading this in one of the latest articles. "The FBI also brought in a special unit, the Behavioral Analysis Unit to create a suspect profile, but has not pieced one together at this time."
Forensics: Profiling the Perpetrator - dummies
Had no idea there was a forensic profiling page for dummies .
Curious which of the 3 categories others think the perp fits. I'm thinking mixed.
"One basic method of characterizing offenders from crime-scene evidence divides them into the following three categories:

• Organized offenders: These criminals are more sophisticated in their approach, and their crimes show evidence of planning. These types tend to be of average or better intelligence, employed, and in active social relationships such as with spouses and families. Even though they’re driven by their fantasies, they maintain enough control to avoid being impulsive. They prepare and even rehearse. They tend to target specific victims or types of victims and use control measures such as restraints to maintain victim compliance. They bring the tools they need to gain access to and control of the victim and avoid leaving behind evidence. As killers, they generally hide or dispose of the body and are likely to have a dumpsite already selected.

• Disorganized offenders: These criminals usually live alone or with a relative, possess lower-than-average intelligence, are unemployed or work at menial jobs, and often have mental illnesses. They act impulsively, or as if they have little control over their fantasy-driven needs. They rarely use ruses to gain the victim’s confidence, but rather attack with sudden violence, overwhelming the victim. The crime scene often is messy and chaotic. This type of offender doesn’t plan ahead or bring tools along, but rather uses whatever is handy. As killers, they typically leave the body at the scene and exert little effort to avoid leaving behind evidence. Some have sexual contact with the victim after killing him or her.

• Mixed offenders: Some offenders leave behind mixed messages at crime scenes. They show evidence of planning and a sophisticated MO, but the assault itself may be frenzied or messy, which may indicate some control over deep-seated and violent fantasies."

ETA: the article goes on to narrows the categories

I'm thinking "mixed" offender, too... or a "mixed" with an "organized" partner. For one reason, because you can have, (from the article concerning Disorganized offender: ".... but rather attack with sudden violence, overwhelming the victim. The crime scene often is messy and chaotic" as being part of the Organized offenders category as well if that was their pre-planned murder blueprint. The scene might have been chaotic but that was because Denise was a fighter. She wanted to save herself, Jayme and call 911 and she fought her heart out to try. Always protective of Jayme, as everyone who knew her says, I think Jayme was in her room and Denise purposely ran in the opposite direction to give Jayme a potential chance to escape.
All jmo.

 

[crhedBngr]

I'm thinking disorganized notice the part i bolded. I'm thinking most perps are at least somewhat mixed but I think this guy is more towards the disorganized end and has gotten away thus far based on luck and on the fact that he was not well know by the family and thus not an obvious suspect.

Agreed.

 

[TCIntriguedIN30]

The timing is off according to LE. I do believe they heard them. Certainly people wouldn’t make that up? For a crime as evil as this? It is my gut feeling, since day one. IMO

Not implying they didn't hear them, I'm saying is there a possibility they were approached by LE and they were like " oh that is what that noise was last night, what time was that again and replied with I remember seeing the clock say 11:39 " is could have been a minute later 5 minutes earlier but they remembered looking at the time. I just hope they did have exact time because 30 minutes can definitely change the timeline. Just theorizing here.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

I'm thinking disorganized notice the part i bolded. I'm thinking most perps are at least somewhat mixed but I think this guy is more towards the disorganized end and has gotten away thus far based on luck and on the fact that he was not well know by the family and thus not an obvious suspect.

I might be leaning that way as well after reading opinions

 

[lonetraveler]

Thought it was at 8:30 when sister spoke to Denise? Not 10pm?

I thought that I had heard 8:30 pm as well??

 

[CarGoVroomVroom]

My brain continues to hurt. But here is what I believe I know after going through scenarios of: Inheritance Issues, Gambling, Drugs, Debt, Wrong House, Work Issues.

The element is: JC is gone, missing, abducted, ran away, kidnapped, etc... any category

Next: I do know "Pedophiles" are mortified of the thought of hurting a child, as they view them as social companions. Pedophiles are 95% men, unattractive, single, have problems attracting older companions, introverts, no friends, etc. It isn't just about sex but there view of a social companion. As their mind is not "normal".

I have trouble believing two vehicles are involved, so I am viewing as just one. If at all truly a vehicle, as i believe LE would have seen headlights / brake lights. But... the dogs and drones didnt sniff anything out. It was getting colder, so wind an element as well.

So... I believe they know who did it, but the evidence is of a pedophile profile so nothing to truly go after without DNA or a weapon or a potential close friend of theirs turning them in.

Just my current, today's opinion. Ruling out Kyle may not necessarily be the end result

 

[photographer4]

The new FBI team coming in is bringing the electronic sniffing dog AS WELL as a video surveillance team to go over the video on HWY 8 from Barron to Turtle Creek. Focusing on that route to and from the casino area.
Just from reading about crimes listed on official police websites that have taken place around casinos in that area makes me think these casinos attract individuals there that aren't only seeking to gamble. I do believe there is a hotel on the casino grounds. How closely is that area monitored by security? To me, knowing if James or Denise was at or near the casino the night before, earlier in the day, or the crime night is very important.IMO.

The house has been turned back over to the family and we saw photos of the clean up crew cleaning up after the crime scene thanks to reporter Paul Blume so if electronic sniffing dogs are being brought in now (I thought they’d done this at the house before turning it back over)... just what will they be sniffing? Vehicles?

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

I'm thinking "mixed" offender, too... or a "mixed" with an "organized" partner. For one reason, because you can have, (from the article concerning Disorganized offender: ".... but rather attack with sudden violence, overwhelming the victim. The crime scene often is messy and chaotic" as being part of the Organized offenders category as well if that was their pre-planned murder blueprint. The scene might have been chaotic but that was because Denise was a fighter. She wanted to save herself, Jayme and call 911 and she fought her heart out to try. Always protective of Jayme, as everyone who knew her says, I think Jayme was in her room and Denise purposely ran in the opposite direction to give Jayme a potential chance to escape.
All jmo.

I'm between mixed and disorganized. Organized seems VERY organized and may include hiding the bodies. Then again there seems to be little evidence as also described.

 

[photographer4]

If there was a getaway driver or other passenger in the killers vehicle then they could have seen her run out and grabbed her. When the killer comes out they shove her in the car to get out of there as fast as they can. Or she ran and they chased her down with the car and grabbed her. Heard the sirens and got out of there as quick as they could planning to dispose of her later.

Did LE respond with sirens? Here they don’t for suicide or domestics usually to avoid spooking someone and ending up with a hostage scenario