Discussion in 'Located Persons Discussion' started by JerseyGirl, Oct 15, 2018.
le has said no firearms from closs home missing.
All guns owned by James are accounted for according to LE. Also nothing else has been reported missing.
IIRC it was mentioned that James owned 3 guns that were known to be kept in a safe and were accounted for. Fitzgerald said the perp(s) brought a weapon to the scene.
Think your right. Going off first reports. But original reports said kicked or shot in
I am not certain
Yes, pagan rituals are often mentioned in murder cases. That aside, the case I referenced-Jane Britton- did have elements of what appeared to be ritualistic sacrifice.
But you are right, it’s rare, very.
I do not see any evidence of this in Jayme’s case, but do see the strong possibility of a revenge act. And, of course, random wacko is always a possibility too.
LE has been silent on the type of firearm and as far as I know the distance and location of the shots. It's entirely possible one or more of the family's own weapons was used and taken. Even if that didn't happen, it sounds like the weapon was not left at the scene so if LE comes across it in the future and runs ballistics they could match it.
Thanks, belly-up! So JC either did not have enough time or did not perceive enough of a threat to go retrieve his weapons from the safe...interesting.
I've always looked at the timeline as follows: The actual kicking in the door and firing the shot that took the father out took only a few seconds, then immediately the mother was shot, then perp found and grabbed Jayme and maybe had her grab a coat or shoes or something, on the way out, the perp discovered that the mother had her phone had he kicked the phone out of her hand and it landed wherever it landed. During the discovery of the mother having the phone, the dispatcher heard the commotion (yelling, screaming etc.) until the phone landed and shut off. Perp took off with Jayme. This could very well cover the 25 minutes. JMO
I don’t feel it’s been satisfactorily explained whether there was a landline phone in the past or when the crime went down. If there was one, the lines may have been cut, which sounds so outlandish, I am having a hard time typing it. I am off here tonight. Hopefully, there will be breaking news soon.
The Closs' owned that home since 2001.
Relatives Plead for Vigilance as They Share Profound Loss of Closs Family
This is a strange quote. The fact that all James’ guns were accounted for doesn’t mean no one else in the house could have committed the crime. Someone other than James could have had a gun.
Family of missing Wisconsin teen Jayme Closs shares story weeks after disappearance
A comment by Denise's sister in this interview interested me:
They believe the attack was targeted and planned. Family members recently returned to the Closs house in search for answers of their own.
“It brought up more questions for us,” Suzi said.
Wonder what about the scene would raise more questions??
Also, still strange to me are the two teenage girls who lived in another town driving by the crime scene multiple times at 2:00 am less than an hour after LE arrived. I personally don't buy the scanner theory so unless they had a legitimate reason to be in the area on that particular night seems suspicious. IDK
I wonder if the Closs family had any work done around the home recently? Isn't that how Elizabeth Smart was first noticed and targeted by her abductor?
That's assuming they were even in a safe.
I'm more inclined to think they weren't. As others have said, guns are a way of life in rural areas. Aside from bears and coyotes, this area has a meth/heroin problem. It's also extremely close to a reservation that has a D/F crime rating (mostly for property theft issues).
I think it's fairly likely that James kept his gun nearby or even on him the majority of the time. He may have even had it when he went to the door that night but wasn't expecting the immediate shot from the perp.
AND if James was shot through the door as has been speculated we can be sure that the perp thought he would be armed. It was shoot or be shot. That's taking big risks for a perp. Bigger risks than I think most pedophiles who want a little girl are willing to take just to "get the girl".
Just in case you hadn't seen it:
A month after Jayme Closs vanished, the feeling in her hometown is 'very dark'
All three cells were in the house
James cell produced no boyfriend.
Multiple perps are utilized in less sophisticated crimes too...such as a simple robbery when they think no one is home. Happened to my father just before he left for our cabin one Friday night. One man rang the doorbell and asked a fake name, while the other two kept watch on the two opposite street corners, a half block away. My Dad told us they looked like they were from someplace else-very different style clothing / shoes. My little teen sister had befriended a troubled youth at church who quickly learned that our house was empty every weekend while we visited our cabin. Ugh.
I hope that if a passerby noticed anything, they would share it with LE. Good to remember that loose lips may sink ships on the home front; but the same (with LE) has the power to bring Jayme safely home.
I'm inclined to agree with the other time line that has been suggested - where the neighbor misread the time. I'm thinking that given everything that has been said, including the description of the entire event happening in a short time, the time was probably 12:51 rather than 12:31.
Another unlikely idea came to me today, but everything in this case seems unlikely. So many people talk about how smart they think this guy is, and it got me thinking. What if he had a problem with one of the parents, but was afraid that doing something against that person alone might make it too easy to figure out who was responsible. Killing both parents might make it a little harder to figure out, but still not hard enough. Killing all three would still make it appear that there was a conflict with someone responsible, and could lead back to this person. Because of that, he decided to kill the parents and take Jayme so it would appear that she was the target. He could have killed her, or he could have taken her somewhere far away and dropped her off in a place where she'd be likely to be picked up by a pedophile/trafficker/whatever or where she'd likely perish before getting any help. I've been trying to come up with something that would make sense of both the murders and the abduction. There are easier ways (and much less messy) to abduct a young girl if that was the goal, but it would make no sense to keep a witness alive if the murder was the goal; this is the only possibility I can think of that can be discussed here. MOO