Discussion in 'Located Persons Discussion' started by JerseyGirl, Oct 15, 2018.
Then why was the front door kicked and/or shot in?
Great post. You are absolutely right. When you grow up with, or see someone day in and day out, their "quirks" become "just them". I agree the Perp could be hiding in plain site. Jayme could still be in the little town locked up in a basement for all we know.
Amateur opinion and speculation
Don't forget that a poultry plant also has lots of traffic coming through that does not live in the area. Inspectors, upper management, truck drivers, there are all kinds of non local traffic through these places that may make regular trips to the site but not be from the area.
I have wondered if the perp assumed that he would be on a short list of suspects that James and Denise would have if he only kidnapped Jayme, therefor felt James and Denise had to go.
Maybe that is why the interview with the relatives and her dog was approached the way it was. It was to give Jayme some strength.
Thats a possibility.
My hope is that the little darling is alive.
But that area is so desolate and filled with water.
100 pounds is not easy to carry any distance, but he could have access to a 4x4 which would increase the area of where she could be placed in the woods. A few feet of carrying her into the woods off of a trail would make finding her a needle in a haystack.
I doubt if she was buried. The ground would have been partially frozen and the roots and rocks would make digging a nightmare
It could have been a home invasion with the intent of robbery, but that plan could have went to hell upon discovery of the fact that someone made a 911 call, causing the perp to have to flee sooner than he wanted, taking Jayme with him.
Well she would be alive if that was happening...
If so, then someone would have an idea about who he is, though, most likely.
That is my best theory. It checks off every box for me.
I see absolutely no reason to discount the neighbors who said they heard 2 shots at 12:30 (the time was even corrected by the Sheriff, as the clock was a few minutes fast). I believe that these were the shots that took out James. I believe these shots were heard by the neighbors because they occurred while the suspect(s) was standing outside on the porch. From this point on, I believe the suspect(s) completely lost control of the victims. I believe Denise either fought back or ran and barricaded herself in a room of the house and Jayme was either in there with her, or she hid somewhere else. I think it took the perps awhile to get into that room, and once they did, Denise was killed. I suspect that it was Jayme who made the 911 call and she either dropped it or it got thrown as they were dragging her out. I also believe Jayme was taken simply because the suspect(s) realized 911 had been called and because they are locals, they knew how quicky LE would respond. They didn't dare get caught firing another shot, so they had no option but to take Jayme and kill her elsewhere.
I believe the motive was robbery, but they lost control of the seen to such an extent that there was never time to ransack the house. And yep...I believe the suspects were probably hopped up on meth.
And that is all I have to say about that.
True but in my opinion generally robbers don't come with the intent to murder and kidnap unless there is a large quantity to steal.
I can’t imagine James, or any other father, running out of the house with his family still inside. I think it’s clear that Denise and/or Jayme would have been alive at this point (911 call - somebody was), and there’s no way James is going to run away from trouble still happening for his family.
I agree THAT this was some type of deranged individual, but I feel he is not someone well known in the local ,everyday community. As in any case, the demographics of this small town should not be overlooked. Did different groups of people get along? Were they conflicts between different groups at Jennie -O concerning work environment or religious beliefs?
Jennie-o plant has employed thousands over the years. NOT ALL born and raised Barron folks. Many come from other countries and other towns with no deep roots in the community. If it was a true local in a small town like Barron then someone would know something and I don't think they would have such fear to come forward. One must take every angle into consideration when people including the sheriff say "crimes like this don't happen in Barron."
That's why to me its some type of individual who has NO regard for human life. He is deranged and possibly even brainwashed or convinced by something/someone to commit this crime. He could know the Closs family from a small connection at Jennie -O and believes he must seek revenge for something that happened there in his past. He not only wants revenge though, his thought out, anger fueled plan also includes kidnapping a young girl for himself.
They were able to break in the front door, but it took a while to break down an interior door?
Interior doors are almost always much more lightweight. If someone can break down a front door they'd have zero problem breaking down an interior door.
And if it was a robbery, why didn't they take anything?
They probably don't come with the intent to rape 2 teenage girls and set their bodies on fire, either. Or beat a 5 year so severely the child had to be hospitalized, or torture a 7 year old by holding his face in boiling water...but violent home invaders have done all those things...and much worse.
I think that Denise making the call is the strongest possibility. James seems to have died where he fell. The phone was found between Denise and James. And it was Denise's phone. At almost 1:00 AM its almost a certainty that Jayme was in bed, fast asleep. For her to awaken, elude her captor, and get to her moms phone and dial 911 is a stretch.
My post already addresses all that. But I'll go a bit further...perhaps they couldn't get into a locked gun safe ? Perhaps they couldn't find any cash or expensive jewelry, perhaps they couldn't find drugs, perhaps they did find something that LE isn't aware of, or perhaps they simply didn't have to ransack the house because they immediately lost control of the victims.