AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #8

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I've just looked at the house for the first time and you're right about it being a good one for a home invasion. Right next to a major road for an easy getaway, house is a reasonable distance from the next nearest property, house is partially hidden by trees in all directions.

Sort of. This time of year, it's very visible from the highway.
 

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BBM: It happens all the time. I suspect if family/friends are not doing that in this case, it is because they are being directed by LEO not to speak publicly.

If they're being directed against speaking to the public by police, we'd have to ask ourselves why? Any ideas? In my mind, its likely b/c a known murderer has just gunned down her parents, in their own home and it likely presents some safety issues for the family... but that's just me. Police may have other reasons...?
 
If Jayme was the target - there are too many ways to do that which do not involve busting through doors after midnight and shooting the parents....
The only scenario wherein that might make sense - is if the perpetrator is someone who is obsessed and/or stalking Jayme & was told on no uncertain terms to leave her alone....presumably a young man, clearly unbalanced, maybe drug or alcohol issues.....he is enraged at the parents.....

Otherwise: a family member/friend who is enraged at the parents...but after the rage subsides...remorse sets in: and Jayme is there.....doesn't have the 'heart' to kill her - is freaking out, not sure what to do.....once realize 911 called....has to take her because she recognizes them....
This scenario could also be a situation with a disgruntled employee/former employee.....

To my mind Jayme was taken because she was the target (someone obsessed with her, not your average stalker/kidnapper/abductor).....or because she could identify the perpetrator......

I don't think this was a botched burglary - if any thief takes time to case a house...plenty of opportunity to figure out when no one is home....or simply scare the people with the gun, don't actually shoot them....how often to thieves go kicking in doors after midnight & shooting the tenants of the house before looting? I'd say that figure is probably extremely low....

I am hopeful that LE has been all over the electronics in that family. As well as any possible video evidence from the surrounding area. That would help them to rule out some of these scenarios. I am also hopeful that whomever has Jayme, will realize their only possible redemption, is in releasing this young girl, unharmed, to the outside world.
 
So ive been reading more than ive been posting the past couple days, soccer games with the lil one and work getting all of my time. This is what i have been thinking. I dont think this was a gambling debt or anything to do with the casino. It would need to be a LARGE debt and even then you just killed the two people that owed you the money. Not only would you be out of the money but your looking at a double homicide charge plus a load of other ones. Sure one could say its about sending a message but if they really owed money and the person was coming to collect, wouldn't it make more sense just kidnap the kid and wait for the money? I mean that seems like the best way to get the money. People are saying its drug rage and or someone trying to get drugs but its not like meth is the most expensive thing out there, let alone you can make it yourself if you know how. I dont think this had anything to do with drugs. IMO i think Jayme was talking to someone maybe she shouldn't have been and that person had ill intentions and acted on them. Maybe has feelings for her and thats why they are saying she is still alive. Very few cases ive read about had me complety stumped and had no idea what to think and this is one of them. So many possible scenarios and so little information being let out
LE said they went through her social media and didn't find anything strange.
 
I've just looked at the house for the first time and you're right about it being a good one for a home invasion. Right next to a major road for an easy getaway, house is a reasonable distance from the next nearest property, house is partially hidden by trees in all directions.

I still don't see it as burglary gone wrong though, it would make no sense to take Jayme. In that scenario I could see them killing Jayme but taking her makes no sense.

They may not have known she was there and decided last minute to take her for "use" later. Like the Petit family I just summarized. The perps weren't planning on raping or murdering anyone, but they did.
 
I'm not sure exactly when it was built but it's been there since I can remember. It is right off hwy 8 with a little slip road (between the building and hwy 8) that is usually used by the shuttle buses that they have coming and going. The main parking area is in the back of the building which is where most people enter. They do different entertainment events through the month but I think besides the gambling a big pull for them is their buffet/restaurant. I know a buffet doesn't usually sound that good, but they actually have really good food, there are a lot of people that just go there to eat, at least in my family. Haha I know there are a lot of cameras in and around the casino but I couldn't say where they are directed at. They do have a hotel but unlike most of the other casino's around Wisconsin theirs isn't connected, it's down hwy 8 a few blocks.
I'm not positive of the date, but I remember it being built in the early 90's ('91 or '92).

My sister worked at a Jenny-O's in Minnesota, and she often had to work on weekends this time of year in preparation for Thanksgiving and Christmas, and I'm guessing the same is true at most of their plants/stores. I don't see any reason to doubt that he was working.

I really don't think they would have had to be speeding to get away, but it's possible that they did anyway (they being the driver, JC and anyone else who may have been with - probably nobody.) I think the smartest thing to do would be to just put her in the trunk or on the floor of the back seat, drive a normal speed to Poskin, turn around and head back to Barron. They could then just casually leave the area in any direction other than the one they'd most expect them to go. Poskin only has a few houses, and most aren't near the highway; I don't believe any business is open at that time of night, so it's unlikely that anyone would see/notice them.

Just throwing out a jumbled mess of thoughts. MOO
 
LE said they went through her social media and didn't find anything strange.
Kids are sneaky, even good kids. Most of them have one FB page that grandma can see, and another one under an alias. Most kids that age rarely use their FB page and prefer Snapchat, etc.
the forensics should be to the keystroke level, as I’m sure they must be doing.

No matter how smart for their age, any 13 year old girl can fall prey to an online romance that is t what it seems.

Amateur opinion and speculation
 
I think this is it! I've been racking my brain trying to figure out why it all went down like it did and this fits.

It would certainly explain why they abducted her from home rather than waiting for a better opportunity. Taking her from home allowed them to take the parents out at the same time.

Sort of. This time of year, it's very visible from the highway.

God I'm an idiot. I didn't even think that it's October and the trees won't be full bodied and green leaved like they are in the Google images haha.
 
Agreed! I don’t think I can follow this anymore. It’s a circular cycle: the caretaker, the door, did he answer or not, was she holed up in the bathroom, does the chair have blood, etc. I can’t take it anymore.

But I keep thinking, maybe by now something’s happened.
Sleuthing is a patience game. I’ve been following a case for forty years, and remain as determined as ever.
: )
 
I’m just thinking about the response time. Roughly 4 1/2 minutes right? So Was there a unit with a dash cam coming from the direction of the highway? The likely route of escape was the highway so was there any cameras from businesses or govt buildings on the common routes to the highway? Was there anyone working or driving that way that has yet to be interviewed by police? I’m pulling at straws here. Also the perpetrators were likely in the area before the commission of the crime. It’s possible they visited the Casino or a local bar.
 
Just wondering if Jayme is special needs, which could be the reason LE was no longer using "abducted" and why the nearby search. She could have bolted from the house. I note that Riverview School is small, yet has 3 special ed teachers and at least 6 special ed aides. Note that I have no knowledge that Jayme is special needs.
 
• An estimated 105 children were victims of stereotypical kidnappings in 2011, virtually the same as the 1997 estimate. Most kidnappings involved the use of force or threats, and about three in five victims were sexually assaulted, abused, or exploited.
• Victims were, most commonly, ages 12 to 17, girls, white, and living in situations other than with two biological or adoptive parents. Half of all stereotypical kidnappings in 2011 were sexually motivated crimes against adolescent girls.
• Most perpetrators of 2011 stereotypical kidnappings were male, were ages 18 to 35, and were white or black in equal proportions. About 70 percent were unemployed, and roughly half had problems with drugs or alcohol.
•Fewer stereotypical kidnappings ended in homicide in 2011 than in 1997 (8 percent versus 40 percent). Most kidnappers were not violent at first contact with victims; instead, they lured almost 70 percent of victims through deception or nonthreatening pretexts. Kidnappings involving 92 percent of child victims in 2011 ended in recovering the child alive, compared with 57 percent of victims in 1997.
• 2011 estimates of child victims being detained overnight were three times the 1997 estimates (80 percent versus 26 percent).
• Technologies, such as cell phones and the Internet, helped law enforcement to solve crimes involving two-thirds of the victims.

https://www.ojjdp.gov/pubs/249249.pdf
 
It seems somebody up thread mentioned a school bus dropping Jayme off at her home most days. Was that the way she traveled. Did somebody know a pretty little girl lived there?
Heck somebody could have followed her and mom in the house after the party and been there all afternoon.
How do we really know when the three arrived home, how and what time and weather together or separately? We know there was a party that Jamey and her mother attended but did mom drive Jamey home then maybe go to the store leaving Jayme to enter the home alone? Did Dad come and go during the day?
We think the killer entered the home by kicking in the door but what if that's not the case at all?
 
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It reminds me of the Short case from 2002. MO even seems identical at first glance.
UNSOLVED: The murders of Michael, Mary and Jennifer Short

Hi Doc,

From the above link:

“To this day, the murders remain unsolved. In August 2015, Henry County Sheriff Lane Perry announced that the motive for the murder may have been the abduction of 9-year-old Jennifer.”

This is so discouraging. And awful for that family and Jennifer.

There have been so many technological and forensic advances since 2002. I hope this dramatically increases the odds of this case being solved.
 
It seems somebody upthread mentioned a school bus dropping Jayme off at her home. Was that the way she traveled.
Heck somebody could have followed her in the house and been there all day meeting Mom when she returned from work and dad when he got home.
How do we really know when the three arrived home, how and what time and weather together or separately?

While your overall questioning/thought is still totally possible, I just want to mention that there was no school that day.

But that still doesn't make your overall comment any less valid/good a point.
 
Jayme Closs disappearance: A timeline of events

BBM
4 p.m.: Sheriff Fitzgerald hosts the second and final press conference of the day and reiterates that the only credible information will be coming from their department at the podium or on their Facebook page.

  • Fitzgerald says that the tip they received from the Miami Police Department has been investigated and ruled to be "not credible". He also say that the FBI was the team that looked into the video and investigated.
  • Fitzgerald says there is no information yet that can clearly show this as an abduction. However, he continued to reiterate that Jayme is missing and in danger.
  • He also says that there is no clear cut information that proves the case has to do with sex trafficking.
  • By 3 p.m., Fitzgerald says the department had already received over 200 tips that are actively being investigated.
  • The autopsy of the Closs parents (which was supposed to happen Tuesday) will take place on Wednesday as new information pushed it back.
  • Fitzgerald said that more than 100 law enforcement officials are currently assigned to the case.
  • The community is not needed yet to help with voluntary searches, Fitzgerald said. However, he continued to encourage people to use the tipline.
 
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