AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #8

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  1. pinkfly

    pinkfly Well-Known Member

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    I have thought along these same lines too along with the wrong address idea.....I always come back to the same question. To what end for Jayme? You now have the hottest ticket in the country in your backseat and have to figure out how to save your own hyde. My thinking is that if it was a grudge against the parents or a wrong address and Jayme got taken because of no ammo or time it would only be to leave her dead in a different location. If the snatcher doesn't have a proclivity to be a sexual predator she becomes a huge burden.
     
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  2. white rabbit

    white rabbit Well-Known Member

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    i agree and can only think of this scenario: if it was a terminated employee(s), no one would "miss" him/them. because he/they didn't show up for work no one would think it out of the ordinary since he/they were fired.
     
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  3. Le Singe

    Le Singe Well-Known Member

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    has been stated by the sheriff they've never had a call there before for any reason.
     
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  4. JaneEyre

    JaneEyre Well-Known Member

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    His facebook showed he hunts and had guns. He could have kept them elsewhere because they had a child or if he didn't have proper lock up for them. I'm not sure we know the gun he used to hunt was his, though.
     
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    JohnTate90210 Well-Known Member

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    Four in custody in connection to home invasions in Barron County
     
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    I'm afraid that there are too many roads leading both north and south between the Closs home and the casino for the killer to have traveled. I hope there's a chance that a camera somewhere found something. This is such an awful crime.
     
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  7. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Ain't The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    Many home invasions are drug related. I highly doubt there is a connection.
     
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  8. photographer4

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    Pondering my own prior post... developed this theory:
    - The parents: dad was done for when he approached the door. Its kicked in, he's gunned down. We don't know when this happens. Not given any timeline.
    - Police locate mom elsewhere. We're not clear on how long she has been dead for either.
    - Doesn't seem police attempt CPR on either parent, so to me, its unlikely either parent made the 911 call. In my mind, police noted parents unresponsive per the transcript - so did they feel for a pulse? Determine the bodies were somewhat cool? Perhaps rigor mortis had set in? Maybe blood stains already drying?
    - What if Jayme found her mom's cell phone, and it was wrestled away from her but not before she got the 911 out? Maybe SHE was tied to the chair to prevent her from escaping and she was being shot at when the neighbours heard the gun shots? OR:
    Maybe those shots were her FIRING at someone? Perhaps that necessitated her being tied to a... chair? Such as the one we saw LE carry out of the home?
    - If Jayme was tied up, and parents were taken out - then what were perp(s) doing in the home between when parents killed and they vanished presumably with Jayme? Were they looking for something?
    - If Jayme was targeted specifically, then maybe killing her parents coldly was in order to make her more compliant and less likely to resist at the time or ever?

    Do we know if anything in the home is missing? Anything at all? Or if it appeared to have been ransacked?
     
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  9. EllaMae

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    That's the problem with generalizations.....they are usually untrue. I was born and raised in the South and have always lived down here. There are literally hundreds of casino tour buses that carry people to the casinos every day. Tunica, Biloxi, Montgomery.....and people love it. It's very popular and a group I used to work with went once a month. There are also casino cruises down here. It's no big deal that someone goes to a casino, and most people don't care. Many of these same casino patrons also go to church....especially retired people who love to use the bus tours.
     
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  10. Wrenny

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    Maybe mom and Jayme went somewhere after the party, and attracted a perv. Walmart, grocery store, even a gas station.

    I read somewhere that the 2nd shift at the store was 3-11. But I don't have a source for that, is why I haven't mentioned it here before.
     
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  11. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    Additionally many feel invincible and do not fully absorb the dangers al though we tell them.

    They are kids after all.
     
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  12. Lizzack1

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    Ok taking a step back here to reprocess...

    Do we have any idea of the family’s whereabouts from the time that mom and daughter left family event? What time was that even? Did they go straight home? Without knowing for certain where the father was (possibly work or whatever has been stated by LE) do we know what time he came home for the night?

    Do we have any estimate on how long anyone was home before what is the earliest report of activity (two gunshots at 12:31)?

    Seems to me that there was a good amount of time for the family- or 2 of the 3- to be there for awhile...Nothing just starts with 2 gunshots going off. You have to believe that the perp(s) was instead or shortly thereafter...meaning....if the neighbors timing is accurate, there was nearly at least 30 minutes worth of commotion happening in that house.

    We don’t know what the scene at the door means yet, and I think we’re getting too caught up in that detail -the door- being some kind of breach or method of entry. (Perhaps there was a struggle getting jayme out the door or a physical altercation at some point that led to the door’s condition).

    What I mean and probably not communicating well is I think there is a lot of time to account for and without knowing all the moving parts or players inside. What can we deduct from what we DO know to piece together that family’s movements from the last time all three were see alive? Maybe I’m overlooking something that’s already been verified, but do we know that dad arrived home later than mom and daughter for certain?

    It’s so easier to get caught up in trying to figure where that little girl could be and if she’s safe. I can hear how mentally and emotionally exhausting this case has been for many of us especially without any new info.

    My brain is mashed potatoes.
     
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  13. photographer4

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    In my mind the officers calling for 100 volunteers was probably just for two reasons:
    - give worried people something to do (make busy)
    - see / document who all turns out... note their demeanour. Listen to what they say / don't say about the case. Maybe someone is more interested than the others? Maybe someone is expected to show up but doesn't? Maybe someone finds something (eg: a perp drops something in the pathway then claims to have 'found' it)? As in a bit of a cat / mouse game with police?

    I don't think they were really thinking they'd find anything of physical evidentiary value. I think it was more a watch and see kinda thing.
     
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    Thank you for helping me to recall the timing on the dog being off to relatives. I wonder then what state was the doggo in when police found it?
     
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  16. rsd1200

    rsd1200 If there's no link, it's just my own 2¢.

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    I think so too. Online chatting keeps coming to the surface too, at least for me. Other thoughts; Where were the dance practices/competitions, who took her, if her aunt did, she might think back about who, (males in particular), attended practices/competitions regularly, but may not have a child of their own, ie; I'm just here watching my niece or neighbor's child. She likes for me to support her, etc...,
     
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  17. photographer4

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    Random thoughts:
    If dad was killed by a gunshot at close range... would the perp(s) be covered in blood? If they stepped over him to get into the house, would they then leave a trail to tell a story at the scene? Did someone change clothes at the scene? Wash up? Knowing more about the scene sure would tell us more about the state of mind / level of planning that went into this.
     
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    Doesn't look like LE equipment because its stuffed full.
     
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  19. JaneEyre

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    I don't know but I'll throw two things out there. First, they've been described as being very active in their church. But second, Catholics can attend mass on either Saturday night or Sunday and it counts as Sunday mass. Most people with kids choose to attend Sunday simply because kids' catechism is directly after Sunday mass 99% of the time.
     
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  20. SJ16321

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    Absolutely. You can highlight all the dangers to them over and over, unfortunately pretty much all 13 year old girls would abandon all common sense if what they perceive to be an older attractive boy is hitting on them.
     
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