AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot to death, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #8

[Trino]

They have her?

Just don't think so. Someone would have found this out.

 

[Oller]

@margarita25 I forgot to touch on crime in EC! Heroin and opiate addiction is on the rise there, but it’s a college town. Lots of kids going down on water street, getting drunk, and acting stupid. Crime is pretty typical of a smallish midwestern town.

 

[MsBetsy]

Understood. Completely agree. She was there during the shootings, but nothing yet still proves she was present during the 911 call. I believe that second bit is unproven with the evidence we have.

Yet something during the 911 call helped LE to determine she was there. I'm thinking it was her voice. It's very easy to differentiate a grown women's voice from a 13 year old girl. They could easily identify a high pitched scream or cry. Jmo

 

[Waterdog]

Jayme Closs Update: Missing girl’s dad was alive and answered door before falling down, dying [Police] via Nancy Grace's CrimeOnline

Then why was a kicked in door even mentioned?

Aggravating!!!

 

[Waterdog]

Yes, an article did say dogs had been used to search the home and grounds. "Investigators use a canine tuesday to help search the grounds near the Closs home in Barron"
Missing Wisconsin teen: 800 tips, 100 volunteer searchers, still no Jayme Closs

Ok, good. I hadn’t gotten that far in my reading. Thanks!

 

[Jabarn]

He may not have even opened the door but instead called out asking who it was.

What if the dad came home while the unsub(s) were already there. Maybe they blocked the door with the chair that was removed from the crime scene and the father couldn’t get in, hence him being tre one who kicked the door in. He was shot upon entrance into the house. Perhaps he was shot after the mom was shot as they were leaving with Jayme.

The biggest puzzle is motive. Robbery is my main guess, most likely motivated by a need for drug money. Any lapse in time...some say 20 minutes? That could account for the unsub(s) rummaging theough the House. Sex trafficking is a horrific possibility as to why she was taken, and that part may not have been planned. I hope they couldn’t bring themselves to kill her and that gives me hope she’s still alive.

Back to motive, it’s been stated in these threads that the father may not have actually worked that Sunday. After LE visited his work they went to investigate the casino. Maybe they were tipped off to the possibility of the father having gone there on occasion, What if he actually won some money that day and he was targeted that way, and followed home. The door was kicked in by the unsub(s) and the father was shot first when he went to the door as it was being kicked in.

I think what makes the most sense is the attack started before dad got home, and he interrupted. IMO.

Jayme’s grandfather, 72-year-old Robert Naiberg, said nothing seemed amiss at the family gathering that Jayme and her mother attended Sunday afternoon. He said Jayme’s father was at work at the time. James and Denise Closs were longtime employees at the Jennie-O Turkey Store in Barron, which has a hatchery and processing plant.

Wisconsin town on edge with search for missing teen, parents found shot to death

I can’t find any reliable news source for the timeline of James Closs’ shifts at the Jennie-O factory, but if he did get off late, and got home near the time of the murders and abduction, it might help understand the motive of the perpetrator better, since the perp may have thought there was just a mom and daughter at home.

If dad did walk up to the busted down door, the perp may have gone into a panic.

To explain the perp’s car, he might have parked away from the house and was stalking. IMO.

 

[Stunned]

We had a shooting literally in our front yard. The day of the Supreme Court job interview. I was home recovering from surgery.
We so not live in a high crime area. Our area is rural and upper to middle class. When asked the time the police exchanged fire with suspects, I was right, sisters-in-law was wrong. How many shots fired..We scored. When asked who shot first. She said cops, I said suspects. ( cops did) we both watched the same incident out of the front door, and had 2 different stories.

 

[MassGuy]

Then why was a kicked in door even mentioned?

Aggravating!!!

This is a media interpretation of the crime log. It’s entirely possible that the interpretation is wrong.

You’re right though, there does seem to be some contradictory information here.

 

[OhThatVictoria]

Just throwing a new idea into the mix . . .

Regarding LE being assured that a kidnap victim is still alive, isn’t that what LE needs assurance of when there’s a ransom request? I know that sounds wacky, but this is hardly “normal”. Could there have been a note left behind with limited subsequent communication over the past week?

 

[BRRI]

Right, but did he borrow enough to make a coworker come and kick in the front door and slaughter his family?

I'd think Dad would find a way to repay him before that happened---especially since he had a lot of equity available in the home that he could access.

He has a current equity loan open though, so not sure if he could take more? I believe his home is assessed in the 90k range, $13,000 equity loan, and I think you usually need to keep 20% of the principal already paid (so, $19,000 or so), in towards the mortgage (though I’m sure it depends on loan type, I think this applies for a conventional loan). He’s owned the house for approx 17 years, so likely a bit less than halfway done paying off the house. Just as an estimated guess, he could borrow $37,000 (total paid towards principal)-$19,000 (20% of purchase price)-$13,000 (current equity loan)= $5000 available to borrow. (Estimating)

 

[NatalieSheild]

People who are home invaders do come to the front door. Most knock or ring the doorbell pretending to need help.

Once the homeowner opens the door the suspect or suspects charges the one at the door and forces them back inside of their dwelling.

Many home invasions have resulted in multiple murders of everyone inside.

Imo

You’re right. Burglers and home invaders are two different things...

 

[Jax49]

No, he was deceased when LE arrived. The sheriff had made that very clear.

"After more discussion with Fitzgerald on Saturday morning, Fitzgerald said he was not releasing any information about how the door got opened. He said when the deputies arrived at the house, James was found dead at the door."

Clarification: Chilling details revealed in dispatch record

Sorry, bumping my own post since some posters seem to have missed the sheriff's clarification.

 

[Stunned]

I think if we had a disgruntled family member loan shark LE would have already arrested him.

No one hides secrets better than families.

 

[MassGuy]

Just throwing a new idea into the mix . . .

Regarding LE being assured that a kidnap victim is still alive, isn’t that what LE needs assurance of when there’s a ransom request? I know that sounds wacky, but this is hardly “normal”. Could there have been a note left behind with limited subsequent communication over the past week?

I think this is just posturing by law enforcement, and not indicative of any information that she is still alive.

It’s completely standard to publicly state that you believe a kidnap victim to be alive, even if you don’t actually believe that.

This crime doesn’t profile as a kidnapping for ransom. I highly doubt there has been any contact between suspect and law enforcement.

 

[Jabarn]

Then why was a kicked in door even mentioned?

Aggravating!!!

It makes no sense he answered the door, but it was kicked in. How do you explain it?

Details from the 911 call released on Friday in connection with missing and endangered girl, Jayme Closs, and her deceased parents indicate that her father opened the door on Monday morning, as a call was placed from his wife’s cell phone.

Jayme Closs Update: Missing girl’s dad was alive and answered door before falling down, dying [Police]

ETA (thanks, Jax)

No, he was deceased when LE arrived. The sheriff had made that very clear.

"After more discussion with Fitzgerald on Saturday morning, Fitzgerald said he was not releasing any information about how the door got opened. He said when the deputies arrived at the house, James was found dead at the door."

Clarification: Chilling details revealed in dispatch record

 

[MadCityNative]

News conference tomorrow afternoon, media get to ask questions (per Paul Blume)

Good...I think they should have one every day to remind everyone that this is still going on.

 

[njbchgal]

How are the FBI so sure Jayme is 100% alive? Only one way I know of.

Ransom call already...??? Some kind of anonymous contact with the perps? A note left? That is something LE will not disclose, would explain them taking the chair(if someone was tied up/prints/evidence). I for sure think this was someone that had an interest in something in that home, they knew them, and Jayme was caught up in it and better off alive than dead hopefully.

 

[Jabarn]

Sorry, bumping my own post since some posters seem to have missed the sheriff's clarification.

Thank you! That is very helpful.

 

[Alethea]

No one hides secrets better than families.

Wills are not secret. They have to be witnessed and signed to be valid. If there is a will in this case, LE would have reviewed it to identify who the beneficiaries would be in the rare case that it was not Jayme.

 

[katydid23]

I agree. And I just had a new theory reading this. What if the perp shot twice at the door lock first and that's what the neighbors heard? What if those rounds went through the door and hit James on the other side of it but the door remained closed/locked? So then maybe he tried to kick the door open instead. Perhaps that took time if this was someone who had never broken into a home like this before? IDK, just speculating.

If that happened, I wonder why mom and J didn't run out the back door. Maybe they did and there was an accomplice out back?