Found Deceased WI - Kathleen Ryan, adult, teacher, car found burned with body inside, St. Francis, 2 Feb 2019 #2

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  1. kay74

    kay74 Well-Known Member

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  2. inmyhumbleopinion

    inmyhumbleopinion #NeverGivingUp

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    Update:
    MAY 28, 2019 | 10:27 AM EDT
    “[SBM]

    Shamwatie Loutan, 48, took her own life at about 1:20 a.m. behind her Rosedale residence, with first responders pronouncing her dead at the charred scene behind the residence at 147th Drive near 257th St., cops said.

    [SBM]

    ‘She had a heart of gold,’ said the victim’s daughter, speaking through tears with the Daily News. ‘She put God first and her children above everything else and she meant well. And her dreams and her goals were to see us aspire.’

    Loutan felt into a funk as she awaited the final signoff on her marital split. But the daughter was stunned by her mother’s middle-of-the-night suicide.

    ‘It was just out of nowhere,’ she said. ‘I’m feeling a feeling I’ve never felt.’

    A man coming out of Loutan’s former home on E. 183rd St. confirmed ‘she was depressed’ but declined to say anything more about the victim.

    [SBM]”
    Depressed Queens woman in failing marriage dies in fiery suicide behind her home, according to police and neighbors

    Rest in Peace, Shamwatie.
     
  3. Via Marple

    Via Marple Here to learn how devious minds work

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    I know this has been a sticky point all along, as well as the time lapse before the fire took hold.

    Who knows, all kinds of possibilities. Maybe she was taking a smoke and the cigarettes were inside the glove box.

    Or simply, she was in the passenger seat because she was a passenger, and someone else was driving.
     
  4. Via Marple

    Via Marple Here to learn how devious minds work

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    She was there for everyone, but no one was there for her. Recipe for depression, and no one would have noticed.

    I wonder how she started the fire?
     
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  5. OhThatVictoria

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    Maybe she was removed from the trunk, where she had been placed after her murder? That car could have traveled anywhere for the 9ish hours she is unaccounted for . . .
     
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  6. Via Marple

    Via Marple Here to learn how devious minds work

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    If I were to stage this, I would remember to put the victim's body on the driver seat... But then I must be a psychopath to think so clearly:eek:
     
  7. Detectivediva

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    You aren't that much of a psychopath...you didn't remember the most important part. You also have to adjust the seat to where the victim would comfortably drive the vehicle. Real psychopath murderers often forget this for some reason. They apparently don't watch as much tv as I do.
     
  8. OhThatVictoria

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    Maybe the person didn’t care (or think that far).
     
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    Hi inmyhumbleopinion,
    Thanks for sharing. Such a sad story. Committing suicide in this manner would be such a long and excruciating way to die. I wonder how many people have committed suicide this way. It seems like it would be fairly rare. MOO
     
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  10. Damarna

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    I've read and re-read this... And I cannot bring myself to think she did it to herself. But nothing really makes sense!
     
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    Bump for Liz, and especially for her family!
     
  12. Wagtales10

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    Someone set themselves on fire in DC the other day. Suicide by Fire is a possibility and the likely outcome here.
    If it was a raging gang that ran her off the road, LE would likely have some sort of evidence for that. But theres pretty much a less than 1% chance that is what happened imo. It's easy to create and blame perceived enemies based on stereotypes, but its hard to face the reality that self harm is not only common but often unexplained and unpredictable.
     
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  14. kay74

    kay74 Well-Known Member

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    This poor woman did not commit suicide. They need to find who did this.
     
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    How can police find out “who did it” if there is no sign of anything being done?
     
  16. Rosiebones

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    This has probably moved to a declaration of "undetermined cause" by the medical examiner, which leads LE to close the case.
    Every possible manner of death has strong possibilities but none can be proven. The ME can't determine suicide, for ex., just because no other manner can be proven. They can't put a cause of death on a certificate simply because no other means can be proven.
    There likely to be no closure for the family, LE, or websleuthers.
     
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  17. kay74

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    Well, that's what they have to look for. It's their job to investigate.
     
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  18. blankenship

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    They've been doing that since February.
     
  19. cluciano63

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    Invesitgating can’t uncover evidence that isn’t there. I feel sure they are doing what they can, but it may well be impossible to say with any certainty what happened that day.
     
  20. Wagtales10

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    The odds of someone else doing this and leaving 0 clues at all is much much much less than her doing it to herself (thus no clues of other person)
     

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