Day 10, Part 5 (LadyJustice2188) – 48 minutes
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Kilgore, Cross of Jaynie Meadows
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Kilgore moves mic closer to her.
Kilgore commends her on being a “pretty good sport” and notes that she has made a couple of statements to the police department, spoken with Kilgore’s team, and the DA’s team.
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1.*** July 9, 2014 – her first interview with Det. Murphy and that was a phone interview.
2.*** July 17, 2014 - Det. Murphy came to Madison, GA to interview her in person.* Stoddard was not there, only Murphy.
3.*** A year later she met with Kilgore and his investigator in Eagonton (?).
4.*** And she has met with the prosecutors – no details or dates given.
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MK: I want to first go over a statement that Mr. Boring went over quickly. And what you said was … Did Ross tell you: ‘If it wasn’t for Cooper, he would leave LH?’
JM: Yes.
MK: Have you had a chance to actually listen to what you told the detective, though?
JM: Yes.
MK: And you would agree that’s not exactly what you said, is it?
JM: It’s basically what I said.
MK: Okay, but you would agree that what Ross indicated to you was that, he would leave LH but he had Cooper?
JM: Yes.
MK: And that he loved that baby more than anything?
JM: Yes.
MK: And what Ross expressed to you was, he wouldn’t do that to Cooper?
JM: Yes.
MK: He wouldn’t end his marriage because he loved that boy that much?
JM: Yes.
MK: And is it fair to say during the entirety of the time that you and Ross were friends? Let me clear that up. You all were very good friends, right?
JM: Yes
MK: In fact, you referred to him regularly as your best friend?
JM: Yes.
MK: And because that’s kind of how it felt?
JM: Yes.
MK: Because you all chatted regularly? Not every day necessarily, but regularly, right?
JM: It was every day.
MK: Okay. And you all talked on the phone a lot?
JM: Yes.
MK: And you talked about a lot of personal things?
JM: Yes
MK: And you all talked about family?
JM: Yes.
MK: And you had a lot of things going on in your life as well?
JM: Yes.
MK: That were difficult for you?
JM: Yes.
MK: You have a medical condition --
JM: Yes.
MK: -- that was a topic of discussion for you all, right?
JM: Yes.
MK: And you’ve expressed that Ross was supportive?
JM: Yes.
MK: He offered encouragement at a time when you needed it; is that fair to say?
JM: (nod)
MK: And not to embarrass you or anything, but there were some emotional – you had a period where you had some emotional problems as well; is that fair to say?
JM: Yes.
MK: And you have expressed that Ross was kind of a best friend through some of those times as well?
JM: Yes.
MK: Is that accurate?
JM: Yes.
MK: Are you upset with me?
JM: (shakes head) No.
MK: You talked about the fact that Ross indicated that they had - he and his wife argued about things?
JM: Yes.
MK: And that was a topic that you guys talked about that on occasion as well; correct?
JM: Yes.
MK: Do you recall that – you’ve indicated that it was just kind of light stuff?
JM: Yes.
MK: Just kind of family stuff, like couples argue about?
JM: Yes.
MK: And I believe you said that Ross would send you pictures of Cooper?
JM: Yes.
MK: Send you pictures of he and Cooper doing things together?
JM: Yes.
MK: On vacation?
JM: Once.
MK: Do you know where that was from?
JM: The beach.
MK: And did you get a picture when they were at a Braves game?
JM: Yes.
MK: Would these come to you by way of text messages?
JM: Yes.
MK: That’s how you would get photographs?
JM: Most of the time.
MK: Would some of the times be email attachments or something?
JM: Not so much, no.
MK: Primarily if you got a photo of Cooper it was through a text?
JM: Yes.
MK: Ross had conveyed to you that his wife had, if not caught him cheating, certainly, suspected it; is that fair to say?
JM: She did catch him.
MK: She did catch him? And that’s something that he talked to you about?
JM: Yes.
MK: And did he tell you, 'Don’t send anything else on FB because I don’t want her to see it?’
JM: I never sent anything on FB.
MK: Did he tell you he was going to have to sort of change his ways a little bit because his wife was upset with him?
JM: Not that I remember.
MK: You were specifically asked if Ross had ever suggested to you in any way that Cooper was holding him back; and he never did that, did he?
JM: Not that I can recall.
MK: And you were specifically asked did Ross ever talk about what his life would be without Cooper?
Boring – object – just to ask him clarify, ‘asked by who?’ – talking about a lot of different conversations.
MK: That’s fair. Detective Murphy specifically asked you that; didn’t he?
JM: Can you repeat the question?
MK: Yes. You were asked by Detective Murphy if Ross had ever said anything to you about what his life would be like without Cooper?
JM: Not that I can remember now.
MK: You don’t remember. Well, then, I’ll ask you directly: Ross never said anything like that to you; did he?
JM: I meant that to my answer. Sorry. I didn’t understand the question, but, yes, that was my answer.
MK: Oh, I got you. You don’t ever recall Ross saying anything like that?
JM: No.
MK: Now, we’ve got a lot of chats. Did you get a chance to look through all of this?
JM: Yes.
MK: It’s fair to say a lot of it is kind of sort of mundane chit-chat, really?
JM: Yes.
MK: And then there is a lot of discussion about your BF?
JM: Yes.
MK: Mr. Boring asked you a few things about time period that I want to go back to, which is the end of May and June of 2014.
(Passes binder – discuss pages)
May 28 @ 9:25am
MK: And you say ‘call me when you see this?’
JM: Yes
MK: Would it be okay with you if we just read through that together? You read JaynieMayDarling and I’ll read BamaXH; would that be okay?
JM: Okay.
MK: So start with ‘call me when you see this’
JM: ‘Call me when you see this. Hey.’
MK: @9:26 Ross says ‘what’s wrong?’
JM: ‘A lot but you never called, so’
MK: We’re still on May the 28th at 10:13. Ross says, ‘Honey, you dropped me and don’t talk to me for weeks at a time. I can’t drop everything at work and call you.’
JM: ‘You used to.’
MK: ‘Well, Jaynie, you gave up on me without explanation so I moved on. It hurt.’ At 10:24, what is your response?
JM: ‘You moved on? What does that even mean? What now? You’re done with me?’
MK: At 10:24, his response is, ‘No, I’m not done with you but I accepted that you didn’t want to talk to me.’ And your response is?
JM: ‘Okay, I’ll just go. Sorry I even bothered.’
MK: And his response is, ‘Jaynie, don’t do that. You just disappeared and wouldn’t respond to my texts.’ And you say?
JM: ‘Sorry’
MK:* At 11:02, on May the 28th, Ross says, ‘Did you all have a fight?’ How do you respond to that?
JM: ‘No, not exactly. We’re just so different. I don’t feel like me anymore. I want to be loved on every chance I get. I want to feel wanted and he doesn’t do that. I keep a lot of things to myself and I have never held my tongue until now. I’m always so afraid to make him mad or something. Something that I hardly ever talk like I want’
MK: It’s now 12:19 the same day, keep reading.
JM: ‘We just got a puppy but he is so hypocritical about it. One minute it is ours, the next it is mine because I wanted it. Then it’s his because it’s his house.’
MK: And at 12:25?
JM: ‘I just never feel good, ever. I’m not good enough, ever. And now that we do have the puppy, I feel like I’m stuck.’
***** Discussion/overview of meaning of puppy stuff.
MK: And at then at 12:26, he says, ‘You’re never stuck, honey. You can always leave at any time.’ And at 12:28, how do you respond?
JM: ‘No, I fought so hard for the puppy.* If I left, I’m scared he would kill it or something. Please just call soon’
MK: ‘I will, babe, just let me get back from lunch.’ And at 1:43, you say, ‘okay.’ The next day at 10:15 in the morning, you say, ‘Ross?’
JM: It’s 10:15 at night.
MK: Sorry, at night.* And then you say, ‘hey’ and he responds a few minutes later and says, ‘hey, Jaynie.’* You say, ‘hi.’ He says, ‘What’s up, babe?’ If you’ll pick it up there at 10:39 on May the 29th.
JM: ‘I don’t even know why I text you. Never mind.’
MK: And he says, ‘why? I’m right here.’
JM: ‘Because you honestly don’t care anymore. You don’t leave your phone on. You don’t care.’
MK: And he says, ‘I do care. I care a lot. I really care about you but I’m afraid you’re going to leave again or I’m going to f-up you and Austin.’ And this is at 10:41. So at this point in time, you and Austin are still together?
JM: Yes.
MK: And you tell Ross, ‘He officially owes me a grand.’ And Ross says, ‘A grand? Why? Babe?’ And you say, ‘What?’ He says, ‘Why does he owe you a grand?’ - and you make reference to drugs.* I assume you meant that your BF was having some problems with drugs?
JM: Yes.
MK: And he says, ‘Jaynie that is insane. Get your money back and leave. Just cut your losses and leave. That is bad, J.’ And now we are on to May the 30th at 12:36, you say, ‘Call me when you can.’ He says, ‘Okay.’ ‘Babe’ and then there’s a question mark. Do you see that?
JM: Yes.
(JM shakes her head and mouths ‘please stop’ to the prosecution table @20:15)
MK: And then on May the 30th at 12:42, he sent you a picture? And can you tell who that is a picture of?
JM: It’s a guy he’s having lunch with.
MK: And he says, ‘lunch’ and you say, ‘yeah.’ And then at 1:36, you say, ‘still waiting’ – is that because he hadn’t called you back?
JM: I guess.* I don’t remember.
MK: And then on June the 2nd, he texts you, ‘morning’ early in the morning, and he gets those signals – well, actually there’s no messaging for about a week. And that brings us up to June 9th. Would you agree that on June the 9th and June the 11th it looks like there is a system message that says your phone has been disconnected; is that right?
JM: Yes.
MK: On June the 11th, again he says ‘hi’.* And then on the 13th, you respond back, ‘hey’. Do you see that?
JM: Yes.
MK: Alright. So there’s not a whole lot of – after he didn’t call you back from lunch, there’s not a whole lot of talking from May the 30th until June the 13th when you say, ‘hey’. On June the 13th, he says, ‘hey babe’.* You say, ‘what’s up?’ He says, ‘Busy as S at work.’ You say, ‘fun.’ He says, ‘Eh, what’s new with you?’* This is at 2:38 in the afternoon, Ross says, ‘what’s new with you?’* You say, ‘I’m working until Sunday. Staying here with my boss.’* Were you doing some sort of in-home care? Like a care-giver-type thing?
JM: Yes.
MK: Then on June the 13th, at 2:36, Ross puts dollar sign, dollar sign meaning you are going to make money, right?
JM: (she nods)
MK:* Is that fair to say?
JM: Yes.
MK: And you say, ‘mm-hum, it’s nice to finally make money.’ And then on June the 13th at 2:49, what is it you ask Ross?
JM: ‘Do you hate me now?’
MK: He says, ‘Babe, not at all. Miss you.’* You say, ‘yeah’.* He says, ‘Do you miss me?’* And what do you say at 2:54 in the afternoon?
JM: ‘If you ever turned you phone on, you would know I do.’
MK: What does he ask then?
JM: ‘How’s Austin?’
KM: Okay, so this is June the 13th he’s asking how Austin is. You would agree that certainly if you all had been talking on the phone, he probably would know that you and Austin were still together, right? Is that fair to say?
JM: I don’t remember.
MK: Alright.* So what do you then tell Ross at 2:56 on June the 13th?
JM: ‘He keeps telling me that I’m going to fall back in love with him.’
MK:* Ross says, ‘Are you all still together?’ And you say …
JM: ‘I guess.’
MK: And Ross says, ‘You’re still living with him?’ And this is all the same conversation on June the 13th. What do you say to him?
JM: ‘Well when I do something that makes me happy or something bad happens, I don’t want to call him, I don’t want to tell him, because all I feel like is a burden. And, yes, mostly.’
MK: And then he says – this is at 2:59 on the 13th - he says, ‘What grade did my paper get?’* What’s he talking about there?
JM: He helped me write a paper.
MK: You were taking a class.* Where were you in school?
Boring objects – relevance.* Judge allows it over objection.
MK: And you say, “a hundred, probably.’ Is that right?
JM: Yes.
MK:* He says, ‘LOL, I better have.’ You say, ‘um-huh.’* And now we are on the 13th at 3:12 in the afternoon.* He says, ‘you rang, wtf?’* You say, ‘um-huh.’ He says, ‘You still taking summer classes?’* You say, ‘Heck no, no.’ He says, ‘Just working?’ You say, ‘If you could call me, that would be great. Please. Ross?’* And we’re now on June the 13th at 6:39 in the afternoon.* He says, ‘I can in a bit. I’m leaving the house at 7:45.* I’m doing the moonlight ride tonight.’ Do you see that?*
JM: Yes.
MK: And then what do you respond to him at 6:40?
JM:* ‘I don’t know what that is.’
MK:* And he tells you, ‘It’s a midnight bike ride downtown.’ This is on June 13th.* You say, ‘Oh, okay.’* Now we are at June 13th at 11:56pm and what do you text him?
JM: ‘You still haven’t called.’
MK: He said, ‘I called on my way and it went to VM.’ Did you take that to mean voice mail?
JM: Yes.
MK: Okay, now it’s midnight and the early morning hours of June 14th and you say what?
JM: ‘Hey.’
MK: Yeah, right before that line.
JM: That’s not that night.* That’s 3:30 in the afternoon. The other one is 3:30 in the morning.
MK: On the 14th.* June the 14th at 3:30pm.
JM: I said, ‘You could’ve tried harder.’
MK: And then you said, ‘hey.’* And then he responds back on the 15th in the early morning, ‘Hey, doll, sorry I was out with friends.’ And you say, ‘yeah.’ And he says, ‘Why are you awake, or you aren’t. Night, babe.’* And that next morning at about 12:05, it says, ‘hi’ and you say, ‘hey.’ He says, ‘What’s up, babe?’* You say, ‘Folding clothes, you?’ He says, ‘lunch.’ You say, ‘fun.’* He says, ‘I’m full.’* You said, ‘um-huh.’* Now we are to the afternoon of the 15th and he says, ‘AC is out at my house.’ And you sent a picture.
JM: Yes.
MK: You say, ‘pigtails and AC’ and he said, ‘No fair. No!’ and he sends you a picture of him in what looks like shorts?
JM: I couldn’t tell you.
MK: Okay.* And he says, ‘No AC - dying.’* That was on June the 15th.* Then on June the 17th, he says, ‘Well, you’re gone again, so sad.’* And on the morning of the 18th, about 5:46 in the morning, he sends you one line that says, ‘morning’. Right?
JM: Yes.
MK: And so what we’ve gone over there is basically the extent of the messaging that you all had from May the 28th till the 18th, right?
JM: Yes.
MK: And Ross had told you previously, on the phone, that his marriage had been getting better in the last couple of months?
JM: I couldn’t tell you that whole-heartedly.
MK:* Do you remember telling the police that?
JM:* Not right off the bat, no.
MK:* Okay. Do you think maybe if, overnight tonight we had you listen to your interview with the police, that might help you remember if you said it or not?
JM:* I don’t know.
MK:* You don’t know if it might help you remember?
JM: (shakes head)
MK: It sounds like – well, if we listen to the 28th until June the 18th, sounds like you all were kind of on the outs there, doesn’t it?
JM: Through KIK?
MK: Yeah.
JM: Sure.
MK:* Ross didn’t know if you were still dating Austin?* Ross didn’t know if you were still living with him?* He didn’t know about any of those things, right, according to what we just read?
JM:* Just through texts, yes. That doesn’t mean he didn’t call every day.
MK: Okay.* Well, I mean, we’ve just read through there.* Are you now saying that he was calling every single day during that three-week period?
JM:* I can’t tell you every day, no.
MK: Alright, you’ve indicated that Ross talked about Cooper all the time, right?
JM: Yes.
MK:* And you certainly agree that he worried about Cooper when he was sick?
JM:* Yes.
MK: He bragged on him --
JM:* Yes.
MK: -- and talked about how great he was? *And you’ve indicated that Ross - do you remember sharing with everybody that there was a video from the phone – a little Halloween carnival at the daycare –-
JM: Yes.
MK: -- and Ross sent you a copy of that?
JM: Yes.
MK:* And you indicated that Ross wanted to be with Cooper for everything that he did?
JM: Yes.
MK:* And you indicated that Cooper was his life; is that fair to say?
JM: Yes.
MK: And Mr. Boring brought to your attention something about Cooper having a particularly bad poop, apparently, that was mentioned in this messaging.* And other than complaining about the poop, you’ve never heard Ross say anything bad about Cooper, ever, have you?
JM: I mean, he might have gotten mad about having to stay home with him, but, I mean, it was never like angry. It was more just like irritated.