Wrongful Death Suit filed Nov. 13, 2013 in California, #2

Discussion in 'Rebecca Zahau Nalepa' started by Salem, Nov 18, 2013.

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  1. Salem

    Salem Former Member

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    I am opening this thread for discussion of the wrongful death suit filed on the 13th. Please stay on topic. Please do not bicker or derail the thread with information that is not pertinent.

    Thanks,

    Salem
     
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  3. Salem

    Salem Former Member

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    Here are the posts from the County Lawsuit thread:

     
  4. Salem

    Salem Former Member

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    HEADS UP - Please stay on topic. This is the WDS thread. There is a media thread, which is NO DISCUSSION, and a thread for the County Law Suit to obtain information on the investigation.

    Be mindful of where you post or your post will disappear.


    Thanks,

    Salem

    ETA: I will also reopen the thread for Attorney questions and again, please stay on topic and ONLY ask questions of our verified lawyers (thank you so much AZLawyer!)

    Salem
     
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    K_Z Verified Anesthetist

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    Salem Former Member

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    Please continue here.

    Salem
     
  8. Ausgirl

    Ausgirl Enough Is Enough!

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    from LL2, previous thread:

    But there IS other fingerprints, so she *wasn't* "the only one using the room". Was she.

    Can't have it both ways. The facts are: other people used the room (there's fingerprints!) and yet there's ONLY Rebecca's fingerprints on all the doors.

    Which is definitely weird.
     
  9. EVLizzel

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    I guess I just don't know what I'm allowed to talk about or ask questions about now. I don't say that to be snarky, but now that the posts were moved around I'm just confused.
     
  10. Ausgirl

    Ausgirl Enough Is Enough!

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    ^ Anything to do with the wrongful death suit is okay. Discussing other posters/ way off topic (to RZ's case) stuff and the like isn't.

    Please don't feel intimidated! Threads get closed when the old thread gets too long, is why is the other one is locked and this one got opened. :)
     
  11. MzOpinion8d

    MzOpinion8d On Time Out

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    How can it be explained that AS' DNA was not on the ropes if he was the one who got her down?
     
  12. Ausgirl

    Ausgirl Enough Is Enough!

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    Well, a comeback for that would usually go "they didn't test ALL the rope!"

    Of course they didn't. That would entail thorough and correct policework.
     
  13. *Lash*

    *Lash* Justice 4 Rebecca

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    ^ Exactly. If you look at all the info released to the public, imo any evidence that may support murder was either not tested or fully investigated. Items in the room, phone records, DNA, blood samples, POI's, etc...Imo, Rebecca's death was not completely investigated. It doesn't matter how many detectives were on the case or how many agencies were involved if both theories did not receive a full investigation.
     
  14. *Lash*

    *Lash* Justice 4 Rebecca

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    Welcome EVLizzel :)
     
  15. EVLizzel

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    Is there any reason to believe that AS spent much time or had much of a relationship with DS or NR? When looking over what the WDS alleges, I think that what's get me the most, the level of conspiracy it alleges.

    Is it okay for me to speculate here?

    I guess the only scenario that involves all 3 to me and makes a lick of sense is that DS AND NR accosted/confronted her in the house, things got ugly quickly, RZ was choked out by one or both of the sisters and then AS was alerted to the situation/heard the commotion somehow and entered the scene, they maybe appealed to him for help by pushing the theory that RZ did in fact kill MS, and he helped them stage the bizarre scene to help them.

    All above isn't even an opinion, just a way for me to try to make sense of what happened if not considering suicide. I also just have a hard time believing only DS or just NR could have subdued her. I feel like it would have had to be more than one person if women.
     
  16. bourne

    bourne "The truth shall set you free." ~JUSTICE FOR REBEC

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    I disagree strenuously that Dina or Nina could not *alone* have physically subdued Rebecca. Both Dina and Nina are gigantic size relative to Rebecca. Remember Dina and Nina are 5'9" and weight over 185 lbs each. Rebecca was *tiny*, petite, 5'1", 100 lbs only. Compare the physical sizes alone. Dina *alone* could physically subdue Rebecca especially if Rebecca was in a vulnerable position to begin with. E.g., Rebecca might have been in the shower, naked with her back to Dina or Nina as either one approached her from behind. With the water running, Rebecca would not have heard anyone creep up on her.

    It is an empirical fact that irrespective of one's physical size, circumstances alone could allow anyone of any size to physically subdue another.

    Here's another example. Perhaps Rebecca was already asleep in bed. Dina or Nina creeps in to a dark bedroom and jumps atop Rebecca. How easy would that be for either twin to physically subdue Rebecca?

    Here's a different but a highly probable scenario. *Both* twins physically subdued Rebecca either while she was showering or sleeping.

    As to Adam, at some point, he might have been recruited to throw Rebecca's unconscious body over the balcony railing in order to hide the fact that she had already been strangled to death by one or both sisters or with noose. Remember all three defendants (Dina, Nina and Adam) have sailing and special knot tying experience. Rebecca didn't. So we can eliminate Rebecca from having tied complex knots on herself. Hence, Rebecca was viciously and gruesomely murdered by Dina, Nina and probably Adam brought in to stage crime scene.
     
  17. *Lash*

    *Lash* Justice 4 Rebecca

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    Good question.

    Adam allegedly found Rebecca hanging. Then using a knife he retrieved from the mansion kitchen, Adam allegedly used a table to climb and cut the rope Rebecca was hanging from. Adam also alleged he loosened the wrist bindings in order to attempt CPR and removed what he called 'the gag' from Rebecca's mouth. It is logical to think Adam's DNA would have been found in several areas. The rope, the knife, the gag and areas he touched while attempting CPR. No, Adam's DNA was not found. I believe this is an area of interest to the Zahau attorneys. Maybe they have a forensic specialist who can answer this question. I think if the WDS goes to trial this will likely be included in their case.

     
  18. MaybeNotToday

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    Yes, there does seem to be many different "murder" scenarios. The problem I see in so many of them is that the person's character has to be completely morphed into something else for each scenario to make sense. Dina is really strong, towering over Rebecca to murder- but needs Adam to throw her over the banister? Or Adam is an idiot who takes orders blindly in one theory but is the mastermind behind a complicated staging in another. Everything is a lie until it's not. Everyone but Rebecca knows how to tie a knot <mod snip>

    As a critical thinker, the suicide scenario is the only one that makes consistent sense to me. I take what I know from media, create a consistent character, apply the evidence reported. However, it is this one scenario, (out of the many different conflicting scenarios), that discussion of will be blatantly shut down here. As if it's just a ridiculous impossibility. I find that telling (but not in ways you probably think).
     
  19. Ausgirl

    Ausgirl Enough Is Enough!

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    Another possibility is raised by the evidence of four blunt trauma marks on her head. Not hard enough to kill, but hard enough to knock a person out, or disorient them at the least.

    I cannot reconcile ALL of the bruises and other injuries on Rebecca's body with the idea that ALL were caused by some incredibly convoluted falling process over the railing that could have caused her to become so banged-up as she was - yet leave so very little evidence in the dust of her passing over the rail. The two pieces of evidence, combined, make no sense.

    I also cannot reconcile that the majority of minor wounds on her body were caused by her swinging into the cactus-like plants or tree below the balcony. Primarily, as these marks are in places that, if Rebecca indeed had her arms bound behind her when she fell, should not have been accessible to said plants at all.

    There's also a small, round bruise on the backs of both arms that look an awful lot like thumb impressions.

    It's inexplicable -- to a suicide scenario, at any rate -- and when *added* to all of the many other 'strange' details discussed here, leans me firmly toward *some sort* of assault on Rebecca, which led to her being hung over that balcony.

    To be honest, there's just too many pieces of information missing or unavailable just yet, for me to be able to make a firm scenario theory, which is why I've refrained from speculating on that. But I am sure she did not commit suicide.
     
  20. Betty P

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    Actually, I'm inclined to agree with one part of your statement. Since the revelation that a tugboat hitch knot was used for the noose around RZ's neck, I don't think either Dina or her sister tied those knots. IMO, it most likely was Adam. They're just too unique and complex for an average person to tie on the spur of the moment. Everyone had to have been in a bit of a panic that night. Here they were, improvising a murder made to look like suicide in the middle of the night.

    I still wonder if RZ's murder was an accident. If Adam, Dina and her sister started out torturing her with beating, binding and choking, then ended up going too far. I don't think they were trying to "get information" or "ask questions" of RZ. There was nothing she could tell them about Max's accident that would quench their rage, that would tell them anything they didn't already know - that he fell off a balcony and broke his neck. Nothing RZ could say would change anything.

    Nina and Dina wanted revenge. They began to vent their pent up rage towards RZ and their abuse and violence escalated until she died. At that point they were likely in panic mode, needing to cover their tracks and destroy evidence. Someone came up with a very sadist idea for staging a bizarre suicide. But they were in a panic and a hurry. People without a nautical background likely wouldn't have taken the time to research or brainstorm the idea of using complex nautical knots in an overkill method for bindings and a noose. The person who would have quickly created those elaborate knots as if they were second nature is Adam. He could tie those knots in his sleep.


    Adam is the most likely person at the murder scene who could could have tied those knots. I'd pretty much always believed that, but the discovery of the tugboat hitch knot info confirmed it.
     
  21. MaybeNotToday

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    Because the plaintiffs' lawyer says it's a tugboat hitch?
     
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