Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #35

Where do you think BL is right now?

  • Mexico

    Votes: 50 7.1%
  • Cuba

    Votes: 12 1.7%
  • Canada

    Votes: 20 2.8%
  • Carlton Reserve, FL

    Votes: 98 13.8%
  • Somewhere else in FL

    Votes: 166 23.4%
  • New York

    Votes: 24 3.4%
  • Somewhere else in the US

    Votes: 306 43.2%
  • Somewhere else in the world

    Votes: 32 4.5%

  • Total voters
    708
Status
Not open for further replies.

PommyMommy

#ShinelikeShanann
Joined
Mar 6, 2018
Messages
42,472
Reaction score
370,884
Missing woman disappears after road trip with boyfriend as mom reveals message to authorities

Gabby Petito, 22, set out on a road trip with her boyfriend in a converted camper van in early July to tour National Parks, but she disappeared in late August and her family hasn't heard from her in more than two weeks. Now, her mother is pleading for help finding her daughter.

Nicole Schmidt, Petito's mother, said that the last verbal conversation she had with her daughter was on Aug. 25.

"I don't know if she left Grand Teton or not," Schmidt said. "I did receive a text from her on the 27th and the 30th, but I don't know if it was technically her or not, because it was just a text. I didn't verbally speak to her."

[...]

The couple stopped in Grand Teton National Park on Aug. 25, Petito's last known location, before a planned trip to Yellowstone. They were traveling in a 2012 Ford white van that was converted into a camper.

[...]

A spokesperson for the Jackson Police Department said that an "attempt to locate" call was recently filed for Petito. The Suffolk County Police Department is also investigating the case. Suffolk County PD declined to comment on Sunday.

Petito is 5’5" and has blonde hair and blue eyes. She has a triangle tattoo with flowers on her left arm and a "Let it be" tattoo on her right arm.

Anyone who has seen Gabby or has any information on the case should contact the Suffolk County Police Department at 1-800-220-8477.


WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 8/25/21 *MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE No discussion*


Thread #1 Thread #2 Thread #3 Thread #4 Thread #5 Thread #6 Thread #7 Thread #8 Thread #9 Thread #10 Thread #11 Thread #12 Thread #13 Thread #14 Thread #15 Thread #16 Thread #17 Thread #18 Thread #19 Thread #20 Thread #21 Thread #22 Thread #23 Thread #24 Thread #25 Thread #26 Thread #27 Thread #28 Thread #29
Thread #30
Thread #31 Thread #32 Thread #33 Thread #34
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Tiff23fr

Verified Expert - Cultural & Behavioral Dynamics
Staff member
Moderator
Joined
Aug 14, 2016
Messages
6,759
Reaction score
49,164
Wfla Live Stream

Case Player and Initials Reference List
Brian's Instagram:
Login • Instagram

Where we are at this time:
-A FEDERAL ARREST WARRANT HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR BRIAN RELATED TO DEBIT/CREDIT CARD TRANSACTIONS FOLLOWING THE DEATH OF GABBY.
-Deer Cam individual has been identified and IS NOT BRIAN

-Brian Laundrie is officially named a POI by Law Enforcement
-Awareness foundation is approved for discussion
-Authorities have the van

-FBI has searched the Laundrie home
-Authorities are searching for BL who is now considered a missing person: current known search is at Myakkahatchee Creek Environmental Park / Carlton Reserve
-BL’s parents shared with LE they have not seen BL since Tuesday

-Mustang has been towed
-Autopsy determines homicide
- See Bottom of Post for Approved Social Media and YouTube (Do not link to a non-approved without pre-approval)


———————————————
Mod Note:
Please Read and Acknowledge

-Gabby’s case is not connected to the double homicide - DO NOT BRING IT BACK INTO THE Thread
-DO NOT BRING IN COVID / COVID SHOTS
-DO NOT BRING IN MENTAL HEALTH

-Do not start or encourage conspiracy theories
-Speculation or suggestions of a hoax or drug use is not permitted
-Include links to sources
-Do not link to unapproved social media
-post to engage in dialogue, not to bicker or argue with fellow posters
-No sleuthing BL’s parents
-WS is Law Enforcement friendly - it OK to have an opinion on the status of events but do not openly bash LE on WS
-Find Gabby FB page is not approved
-NickTheHat Twitter IS NOT AN APPROVED JOURNALISM Source


Violations of the bullets above will result in an immediate time out. If you have a concern, please use the report link at the bottom of any post rather than stating your concern in thread. If you have question please PM a member of the Mod Team. We are here to help you!

Complete list of rules can be found here: RULES

Thank you for helping us keep this thread open and running smoothly by following the rules and guidelines above. We don’t like closing threads any more than you like experiencing a thread closure.

Thanks for being amazing and valued WS members!!

Best to All,
Tiff

———————



Compliments of @oviedo
LAST UPDATED 3:00 PM EST SEPT. 25

2020

MAR 17: IG Post- 1 yr anniversary
JUL 2: GP announced her engagement to BL

2021
JUL 2: Van Life Road Trip Began for Gabby Petito and BL - GP is the owner of the van
JUL 5: The couple stopped at Kansas' Monument Rocks
JUL 8: Their next stop was Colorado Springs
JUL 10: Petito updated her Instagram with photos of her walking at Grand Sand Dunes National Park
JUL 16: Petito’s smiling in a photo from the couple’s next stop at Zion National Park
JUL 20: Petito informed her Instagram followers that they were at Cedar Breaks
JUL 21: The next stop was Bryce Canyon National Park
JUL 26: Petito posted a photo relaxing in hot tub at Mystic Hot Springs
JUL 30: The couple stopped at Canyonlands National Park Mesa Arch

==================================
AUG 10: JF met Gabby and BL near Moab, Utah where they chatted about 40 min. JF and his girlfriend then set off on a hike to the Delicate Arch. When they got back to the parking lot, Gabby and Laundrie were gone.

AUG 12: The couple was at the organic store (Moonflower) from 9am to 3pm according to the police video - they were going to get water and showers - police report incident is at 4pm and the video is over an hour long of this incident. BL is taken to a hotel -
?Where does Gabby go for the night?

AUG 12: The couple took a hike at Arches National Park -
?Believe the hike was august 9 and posted on aug 12?

AUG 12 Moab, UT PD police incident report - no criminal charges,respond to an incident involving BL and Gabrielle Petito

AUG 12 Arches National Park - reservation only campsite (per PE) -
?Is this where Gabby stayed in her van/tent?

AUG 13 - BL posts to Instagram
=============================

AUG 17: BL returns to Florida via airplane to move their things out of storage returns Aug 23 -Some reports say he moved stuff into storage and some say out of storage (source - handwritten note by Gabbys uncle and interview with Mom dailymail)

AUG 19: YouTube travel video posted by Gabby

AUG 21: Gabbys dad orders Uber eats delivered to hotel

AUG 21: Gabby told her Dad on FaceTime that they had lost power during a stop in Salt Lake City.

AUG 23: BL returns from Florida trip via airplane (dailymail interview with Mom)
(?Where was the van parked?)

AUG 24: The couple were seen checking out of a hotel in Salt Lake City, Utah

AUG 25: Petito’s family spoke to her for the last time over the phone and she said she was in Grand Teton National Park

Last phone call between Gabby & her mom, Nicole Schmidt. Last Instagram post from Monarch Wall in Ogden, Utah.

AUG 25 - Couple spots van at 5pm at Jenny Lake - alerts LE 9/17 they saw it

Aug 26 -

Jessica Schultz told the San Francisco Chronicle that she saw BL in the Spread Creek Dispersed Camping Area near the park on August 26. She said she was driving behind BL while he was in the couple's white van alone, before he parked it on the side of the road.

Aug 27-Gabby and BL at Merry Piglets, a Tex-Mex restaurant, between 1 and 2 p.m. on Aug. 27, when they said an agitated BL began arguing with a waitress.

AUG 27 - Gabby's uncle posts there was a snapchat Gabby sent a friend -heading to Yellowstone (in Dailymail article)

AUG 27-a Van is seen in the side of the road and youtubers post it - MSM picks up the story - could be Gabbys
In the video the lady says it was recorded Aug 27, 2021 at between 6:00 to 6:30 PM

AUG 27 & 30: text messages from Gabby’s phone sent to mom

After August 30th, Gabby’s parents weren’t able to get in contact with Gabby or her fiance. Her fiance’s mother also was not responding to any phone calls.

AUG 29- BL is picked up at 5:30pm while hiking alone in Grand Teton (tiktok reported in MSM) offers to pay for a ride

B alleged that Laundrie had confessed to camping at an unregulated site in the National Park "in the middle of nowhere along Snake River."
(Note - this is not confirmed by LE)
AUG 29- Second person claims to have picked up BL hitchhiking and dropped him at 6:30pm
AUG 29 Elk hunters spot van
AUG 30- BL accused of unauthorized use - Warrant:The warrant alleges that BL committed debit card fraud between Aug. 30, 2021, and Sept. 1, 2021.
AUG 30: Text from Gabby to Mom - “No service in Yosemite”
AUG 31- BL accused of unauthorized use of capital one card-warrant
August 31: A new list titled “Self-Consumption” appeared on the couple’s Spotify
AUG 31- BL may have purchased gas in Benton
SEP 1 - BL accused of unauthorized use of capital one card - warrant
SEP 1: BL returns home to FL alone according to his parents, (retains an attorney we don’t know when) & is uncooperative with the investigation
Gabbys Van enters at 10:26am Sept 1

Sept 2 -9: ?

Sept 2/3 or 9/10 - Neighbor spots BL outside mowing and bike ride with his Mom

Sept 2?-4?- neighbor says family went camping with the truck and camper for 3 days

SEP 10:: Gabby’s mother texted BL and his mother, RL, trying to get in touch with Gabby, but neither replied. The family alerted the National Park Service.

Sept 10- Incident with Gabbys Dad -redacted police report Links her Dad to a police response at the home where his daughter lived with BL and his parents at 6:30 p.m. on Sept. 10.

SEP 11: Gabby’s family report her missing 7 PM

Sep 11: Van seized at the home of BL parents in NorthPort FL - FBI

Sept12-15- working on which cars were in the driveway-
Camper, Truck, Mustang


Sept 14 - Reporter Brian Entin reports there is no mustang in the driveway
(Tuesday)

Note placed on Mustang at the preserve: The note had requested the car be removed, but the family left the vehicle there until Thursday, hoping he’d return to it, Bertolino told the New York Post.

However, video appears to show the car parked on the Laundrie’s driveway Wednesday, according to a Crimeonline report.

Footage from NewsNationNow reporter Brian Entin appeared to show the Mustang convertible back in the driveway on Wednesday night.

Sep 14: BL family lawyer issues statement

Note: a vehicle left driveway at 6:04pm

Sept 15: NorthPort police names BL as Person of Interest

Sept 15: Gabby's family issues another statement

Sep 15- Northport police chief asks BL lawyer to assist in finding Gabby

Sep 17 - FBI takes over search in WY (GTNP =Grand Teton National Park)

Sept 17- BL family asks police to come to their home

Sept 17- LE at BL home - he is declared missing by his parents as of Tuesday

Parents admit driving the mustang back home after finding it at the preserve

Sept18- searches for Gabby and BL

Sept 19- searches for Gabby and BL planned

Sept 19 - FBI press conference - offers condolences to Gabby's family - body found believed to be Gabby

Found near where the van bloggers video showed the van parked on August 27 (6-6:3opm)

Sept 20- Search Warrant Served at home of BL parents by FBI - Mustang registered to CL towed away

Sept 21 - autopsy of Gabby at 1pm
Sept 21 - confirmed remains are Gabby and it’s a homicide
sept 21- search resumes for BL
Sept 22- search for BL in preserve
Sept 23- search for BL in preserve
Sept 23 - BL parents leave in the truck this morning and return with the Mustang and then leave again followed by LE
Sept 23 - BL parents drive to Orlando and return (LE is said to have followed them)
Sept 23 - Federal Warrant Issued for the arrest of BL
Sept 24 - Search continues in preserve
Sept 25 a Search continues in preserve

—-

WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 8/25/21 *MEDIA MAPS TIMELINE No discussion*
Neighbors claim to have seen BL after Sept 1 at the parents' house VIDEO: Brian Laundrie's Neighbor Says She Saw Him After He Returned Home | 96-1 SRS | Trending on the Web
Arrest warrant:
Federal arrest warrant issued for Brian Laundrie on bank fraud charges
Parents meet in Orlando with attorney -
Jossie Carbonare (WPBF reporter) @JossieCarbonare — 5:05PM 9/23
This morning #BrainLaundrie’s family could be seen leaving their North Port home. I asked their attorney where they went since people were wondering if they possibly were with police and he replied with:
Second person claims to pick up BL 8/29 - Brian Laundrie manhunt: Woman in Wyoming says she picked him up hitchhiking | Fox News

Gas purchase? Not confirmed https://www.wfcnnews.com/Reports_La...rchases_linked_to_Benton,_IL_gas_station.html

Mustang ownership and tow: Gabby Petito case: FBI agents swarm Brian Laundrie's home in Florida

9/23/21 - Parents leave: Brian Laundrie’s parents seen leaving home, followed by caravan of police

Gabbys dad Sept 10-Gabby Petito's dad linked to incident at Laundrie home evening before she was reported missing

Elk hunters sighting

Search intensifies for Gabby Petito; police respond to Laundrie home in Florida

Reporter Brian Entin video he posted on Tuesday 9/14 at 6:04 pm and he said the parents had left an hour previously.
https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/1437930287170822152?s=21

Then video of them returning in a red truck.
https://twitter.com/brianentin/status/1437932624534769668?s=21

cross left by Investigators - Makeshift cross found in area where crews searched for Gabby Petito

neighbor interview - https://twitter.com/kristinthorne/status/1440724906690236417?s=21

it’s Gabby FBI confirms Gabby Petito's remains found in Wyoming; manner of death 'homicide'

Brian Entin
@BrianEntin

·
Sep 23
The Laundries did leave this morning in the red truck. They returned home with the Mustang. And then left again in the truck
=====

APPROVED Social Media
Dash Cam Video from Red White & Bethune
Enhanced Van Video

Miranda Baker - Alleged to pick BL up Hitchhiking
Van Witness Video #2
 
Last edited:

Tiff23fr

Verified Expert - Cultural & Behavioral Dynamics
Staff member
Moderator
Joined
Aug 14, 2016
Messages
6,759
Reaction score
49,164
Gratitude:

Gratitude to each of you, to the public, to people that went through videos from travel to help in the search for Gabby. The care and compassion of WS Members in seeking justice for victims is why I am here with you. You played a role in helping Gabby’s parents get this far. You sent prayers, you kept the story alive, and you did it with class. YOU HAD A POSITIVE IMPACT.

Now - let’s find BL…

Peace to Gabby’s Family and Peace to Each of You.

{{Heart}},
Tiff
 

Tiff23fr

Verified Expert - Cultural & Behavioral Dynamics
Staff member
Moderator
Joined
Aug 14, 2016
Messages
6,759
Reaction score
49,164
Mod Note:

We are starting to loose focus that this thread is about Gabby and the current search for Brian.

Mental Health: Only bring it into the discussion if it is a statement in media or LE reports. Do not expand beyond what has been provided to us regarding Gabby and/or Brian and mental Health.

Domestic Violence: Many posters here have stories. In our own personal ways, we all have stories. The challenge we have in these threads is the separation of our personal stories and the focus of the thread.

This thread is about Gabby's story.

As mods, we have hearts, we care about each of you, and it is hard to delete a post on thread that may include your personal story. However, we have to remind ourselves this is about Gabby's story. Please keep her the focus of the thread.
 

Sillybilly

Administrator
Staff member
Administrator
Joined
May 9, 2009
Messages
32,268
Reaction score
84,721
ADMIN NOTE:

Discussing info that is in MSM about the parents is allowed. Sleuthing out information related to them, just because it is publicly available is not allowed.

If you don't understand the difference, private message a Mod or Admin and we will help clarify.
 

Tiff23fr

Verified Expert - Cultural & Behavioral Dynamics
Staff member
Moderator
Joined
Aug 14, 2016
Messages
6,759
Reaction score
49,164
Mod Note:

I really dis-like shutting down some parts of discussion, however it is my job to make judgement calls at times that are in the best interest of the threads. At this time I am making a judgement call that secret meanings of "Stan" is rumor/conspiracy talk and it is no longer permitted. Should LE offer something to support re-visiting it, the position will be re-considered.

Thanks for understanding and wishing each of you the best today.
Tiff

According to police, the message read: "Can you help Stan, I just keep getting his voicemails and missed calls."
Schmidt told investigators that Stan is Petito's grandfather, but that she doesn't usually refer to him by his first name, the warrant, which was obtained by PEOPLE, states.

Final 'Odd Text' Sent from Gabby Petito's Phone Revealed in Warrant | PEOPLE.com
 

Sillybilly

Administrator
Staff member
Administrator
Joined
May 9, 2009
Messages
32,268
Reaction score
84,721
ADMIN NOTE:

These threads are dedicated to discussion of Gabby's case. General discussions of mental health, domestic violence, and personal anecdotes are not allowed.

Please review Tiff's post from an earlier thread.

Mod Note:

We are starting to loose focus that this thread is about Gabby and the current search for Brian.

Mental Health: Only bring it into the discussion if it is a statement in media or LE reports. Do not expand beyond what has been provided to us regarding Gabby and/or Brian and mental Health.

Domestic Violence: Many posters here have stories. In our own personal ways, we all have stories. The challenge we have in these threads is the separation of our personal stories and the focus of the thread. This thread is about Gabby's story. As mods, we have hearts, we care about each of you, and it is hard to delete a post on thread that may include your personal story. However, we have to remind ourselves this is about Gabby's story. Please keep her the focus of the thread.

This discussion is moving at warp speed. Stay on topic. We do not have time to edit your post. If your post consists primarily of the above topics, it will be removed and there may be a loss of posting privileges due to off topic posts and ignoring Mod or Admin instructions.
 

TheBorez

Well-Known Member
Joined
Mar 6, 2017
Messages
68
Reaction score
606
IMO
BL'S behaviour after GPS death does not resemble that of a man who is contemplating ending his life.
Mowing the lawn, going on a camping trip, using the bank card, getting an attorney.
BL gave the impression that he hated social media and GP's attempts to establish herself as a vlogger, in reality, he likely hated her receiving attention off anyone and hated that her full attention was not always on him. (Professed to hate social media and talked nonsense about how close humans are to primates yet took the time to share lengthy posts on social media himself?) - A narcissist and unlikely to kill himself, deep down he'll believe he can get away with this somehow.
The headstart he was given was planned to a T and thus far is working in his favour but rats always surface.
All my opinion....
 

bellyup

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 12, 2010
Messages
2,506
Reaction score
14,468
On that note, I've been wondering why Texas EquuSearch hasn't gotten involved. I remember their name coming up once or twice in one of the early threads, but wouldn't they be useful in assisting a search like this? Horses aren't the only things they use.

Bringing over from last thread.
Texas Equusearch doesn't look for fugitives. They look for missing victims, only.
 

Aescwynn

OMG Vapor Maid Sticky Buns Butterscotch, take me a
Joined
Mar 25, 2018
Messages
333
Reaction score
1,111
MOO
This will all boil down to money, or lack there of. She planned, saved, and was trying to create a source of income (on her own). I feel she expected him to do the same, and he most likely fell short. Arguments, between them and at restaurants, no money for hotel stated on body cam, the storage he had to empty, the $1000. I've been directly involved, as a witness, in a man killing his spouse over money issues (he gambled it all away and she caught him). How many here know a woman who has done everything in her power to make something happen financially only to find out their partner, who said they were doing the same, failed. She got fed up, he panicked.

Bingo: that is what I believe the motive for the killing is. He was not only leeching off her, he was getting increasingly controlling as time went on. He very likely had control issues all along, but the nature of this trip, with Gabby probably taking things very seriously and wanting to spend time working hard while BL was just drifting (and getting bored, in all likelihood), made things become explosive.
I think Gabby got fed up with him and his lack of initiative and his controlling tendencies and his apparent black rages. I think she broke up with him and told him he was on his own to get back to Florida however he could. Faced with the prospect of being stuck in WY with no money of his own and no car, a complete loss of control for a guy who had become quite comfortable with controlling everything, and already in a rage, he attacked and killed her... and took her car and her money, which he had long since come to think of as his own.
There is a good chance that we'll never know exactly what happened. But this is what I think.
 

Newsjunkiejen

Former Member
Joined
Aug 5, 2021
Messages
662
Reaction score
4,571
Forgive me if this has already been covered forty thousand threads ago, but..

Does anyone know if it has been reported that the 'supposed' flight that BL booked to go back to FL for a week was something that had been booked for a while?

I wasn't sure if this was always part of the plan, or whether it was booked last minute after the Moab incident.

TIA
 

bellyup

Well-Known Member
Joined
Oct 12, 2010
Messages
2,506
Reaction score
14,468
Forgive me if this has already been covered forty thousand threads ago, but..
Does anyone know if it has been reported that the 'supposed' flight that BL booked to go back to FL for a week was something that had been booked for a while?
I wasn't sure if this was always part of the plan, or whether it was booked last minute after the Moab incident.
TIA

There has been nothing confirmed about that supposed flight in any way shape or form. Just that GP's family said it happened.
I still have my doubts that it ever occurred.
 

Parsnip

Well-Known Member
Joined
Mar 16, 2015
Messages
198
Reaction score
1,158
MOO: we have a couple who have been together off and on for years. Friends and family who report nothing in the way of red flags that something like this could have happened to GP. (Even Rose, who I think is the only one reporting seeing controlling behavior.) They’d even traveled together extensively before. What’s the new variable? VanLife SM? Any others?
 

SuziQ

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 6, 2007
Messages
38,085
Reaction score
39,581
Responding from the last thread.

There is really no reason to have two people's names on a vehicle title. I've been married for nine years and we have never put both of our names on titles to any of the vehicles we have owned...

You are married though. A marriage document give you some legal protections. If you are not married and your name is not on the title, you have no right to that vehicle. If you want to maintain partial ownership of a vehicle, your name better be on that title or you will end up SOL.

I am sensing many people, in non marital and some marital situations, need to take a serious look a their finances and rights. I have seen many sad situations arise when one of the partnership leaves or suddenly dies. You just can't have a verbal or informal agreement or rely on a power of attorney. You can't expect a court or even a bank to uphold a handshake deal. It is simply not their problem.
 

WellThen

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 21, 2021
Messages
132
Reaction score
1,974
If the phone were powered off, then no, there's no way to track it.

I don't believe this is exactly true. A powered off phone, even a phone with the battery removed, still has power. Electronics with power (even very low power state) are able to transmit signals, and those signals can be detected. Phones that are off can also be remotely interrogated and even turned on, including activating camera and microphone and GPS.

Just my opinion and conjecture.
 

Aescwynn

OMG Vapor Maid Sticky Buns Butterscotch, take me a
Joined
Mar 25, 2018
Messages
333
Reaction score
1,111
MOO: we have a couple who have been together off and on for years. Friends and family who report nothing in the way of red flags that something like this could have happened to GP. (Even Rose, who I think is the only one reporting seeing controlling behavior.) They’d even traveled together extensively before. What’s the new variable? VanLife SM? Any others?

I think she had gotten serious about growing a social media presence with the long-term goal of becoming a professional travel writer, and he couldn't deal with the idea of her having her own hopes and dreams.
 

Jinkasaurus

Well-Known Member
Joined
Feb 20, 2013
Messages
1,013
Reaction score
3,461
I know people sometimes make maps for cases like this. I haven't seen a map of the area he was hitch-hiking around in. I don't have the skills to do it, but I think it would be really cool to see a map showing that little area and the reported hitch-hiking encounters there.
 

TL4S

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 12, 2018
Messages
3,019
Reaction score
25,606
I am a glutton for punishment, I should just walk away from this story. But, it haunts me.

Per People's article and their friends:

"The romance was on-again, off-again to the point that sometimes it was hard for friends to know if the couple were together.

The pair seemed to fall in and out of love, but friends say they didn't see anything concerning between them. "

"They had very high highs and very low lows," says Chen. "But she always said he was a good boyfriend."

She Was 'Living the Dream': Inside the Tragic Gabby Petito Case | PEOPLE.com

These two young people had an on and off again relationship for SEVEN YEARS.

Not even her father thought there was any danger.

I still have not seen anything to change my mind that these two loved each other very much
but were under tremendous pressure to make it living their dream.
They both were at their breaking points and that is what lead to her death.
Out of control emotions and inability to cope.

Maybe if they had not tried the sometimes glamorized VanLife, they both might still be very much alive. The pressure of the whole last year has been horrible for many people. Murders seem to be at all times high in many places. I just dont see what many people on this site see....
I agree. We don't know enough to make the judgements we're making. If someone posted a bodycam of me being pulled over after an altercation with my significant other, I can only imagine the rumors that would start. Or if someone followed my every move all day and night, while I was in a state of shock and horror, with a camera in my face, so the whole world could try to dissect my thoughts, intentions, and motives. It's so easy to make things complicated. We all do it. We do it in our lives, our relationships, and we do it here when trying to make the the puzzle pieces fit. The problem is, we don't have all the pieces, so they don't fit, which is when we start forcing them and making things complicated.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top