Discussion in 'Located Persons Discussion' started by PommyMommy, Sep 12, 2021.
5th amendment to the constitution.
I totally understand you.
Unfortunately the law says otherwise.
We have to wait until LE acts.
And they're going to need more evidence.
I wish Gabby had kept a diary or left a clue online !
What we're feeling must be a molecule compared to what Gabby's family is going through.
Makes me feel like I have everything in the world since my loved ones are all ok and safe !
Hoping for a break soon !!!!
Which may be less likely to be seen when you arrive in FL 9/1, she’s not reported missing until 9/11, you don’t answer the door and your parents refuse to let LE see you. Has anyone seen him since? If not it’s been over 2 wks he’s had to heal if he had any injuries to speak of!
I heard she moved down there when Brian and his parents moved. This was around the time she was 20 years-old. This seems odd and ill-advised for people that young. JMO, but from my outside view this relationship seems unhealthy and too intense. Apparently her father moved down there too after a while to be closer to her.
Good to see you hear @yellowmoose!
she said, he is BAD about that, like he dont keep his phone charged, dont keep up with his phone charger, hence why t was dead at the time.
So good to see so many of you here that were with me during Kenzie’s case! @Gardenista @Seattle1 @oviedo to name a few.
The body cam footage only gives a small look into the relationship, but like many have said DV can’t really be ruled out. And the combination of DV and mental health concerns can be so dangerous. I’m wondering how her OCD plays into their dispute - so much so she decided to mention it as a factor.
Thank you for this. I am not through it either and took pause when BL states at the beginning that he has no phone but officer Robbins later states in his report that they both have phones for emergencies while they are separated. Her phone - if it is still in her custody, may not have pinged for who knows how long. If they did carry on with their plans to hike they likely could have been in area with no service.
I've been wondering about this as well, since the start. They've been together 2-1/2 years, which could mean they moved in together when she was still 19. And IIRC, her mom had said early on, that they had a relationship in HS, that they "rekindled" later.
I believe she is the oldest of six children, but I could be mistaken. These two don't seem to have much money or education, so maybe they just did that for financial reasons. She surely seems to be in an abusive, toxic and controlling relationship with this unemployed person. IMO
I disagree if they were living out of it. But maybe I'm wrong, Idk. You would have to have eviction paperwork where I live.
Per the 5th Amendment to the Constitution:
The self-incrimination clause provides various protections against self-incrimination, including the right of an individual to not serve as a witness in a criminal case in which they are the defendant. "Pleading the Fifth" is a colloquial term often used to invoke the self-incrimination clause when witnesses decline to answer questions where the answers might incriminate them.
Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia
Remember - he was locking her out of her vehicle, as he was in the driver's seat, with her phone in his possession - getting ready to leave her there alone and with nothing. Of course she would claw her way back in.
Just as a general statement, but IMO there is simply nowhere near enough information to make any sort of psychiatrist and/or psychological diagnosis or assessment from that bodycam footage. It's two adults who are in a high stress situation. I know there are many people here with only the best intentions, sharing matrices and criteria for abusive relationships, and mental illness diagnostic criteria, etc, but the truth of the matter is, human beings are complex, and it requires far more than watching some bodycam footage of a traffic stop for an hour to make a solid assessment of any individual. Without digressing too far, I believe that the medicalization and overly-pathologized notion of human beings is on display when people do this sort of thing. To be fair, yes, of course we want to try to make sense of the situation. But you cannot say you have a solid assessment from such limited evidence. This is also true even in real world psychiatry. There are so many 'doctors' who will see a patient for 10 minutes and immediately diagnose them with some issue or some condition and write them medications. IMO and from my own personal anecdotal stories, the best don't actually analyze or jump to conclusions..it takes time. It takes patience. You must gather enough information to make an accurate assessment, and, if appropriate, diagnosis. Again - not discrediting anyone for suggesting abuse or mental issues here in the video, but it's just simply not enough information to do so accurately. MOO
Her mother suspects the last two texts she received from Gabby's phone weren't sent by Gabby. So it's possible he took her phone so that he'd have a phone for the return trip. We don't know where that phone is now; he could have thrown it away en route, after texting GP's mother. Or not. Would the current investigation be able to locate her phone by GPS?
I agree 100% I also wanted to add too, you had mentioned earlier this morning about Brian refusing the water and I mentioned how he said he doesn't like plastic* (I miss heard him say glass early this morning) bottles. I gave it some thought and yes, it is plausible that's why he refused a bottle of water but I also get this very stubborn air about Brian. Particularly the comment: "I'm dirty and I can't change being dirty..." (Yeah, you can say that again.) I respect being strong in his convictions for the environment but like you are clearly thirsty dude, just accept some water, if not out of common courtesy. I agree though, that was a weird moment in the video.
Him driving her van home without her, and not cooperating with LE about her last known whereabouts make me think he's messed up, scared of something, and something really awful happened.
It does not however, lend my thoughts to "he murdered her". Although if she were alive, I suspect she'd have contacted her mom at this point.
There's WAY too much we don't know, to simply land there that he was responsible for her disappearance. We don't know what (if any) conversation there was about the van, or if he just left her there, or if she just blew him off and left him there with the van, or... or... a million other "or" scenarios.
It's like trying to put a puzzle together with 95% of the pieces missing.
Question regarding the body cam footage (not sure if this was discussed here yet - posts are going so fast) - at 48:51 the officer opens the door and GP was on her phone and then puts it down - as he is about the shut the door at the end of the conversation he says something like "I will let you get back to your parents"..(not sure if thats exact). Anyone else hear this?
I think he is referring to the injuries he received in the final altercation that occurred- i.e. the one where he hypothetically killed her.