Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #4

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  1. bellyup

    bellyup Well-Known Member

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    Unless you are familiar with behavioral patterns as they relate to emotional and mental abuse they can be hard to spot.

    I didn't start with the presupposition that BL was an abuser. In fact, I went back and forth through out the video and listened carefully watching for patterns of behavior. One pattern that stood out to me was GP's repeated insistence that she was the problem. A classic victim response called "fawning". Take all the accountability. You're unstable. You're the problem. It's the human equivalent of rolling over and playing dead hoping you won't be harmed further.

    Couple that with Brian's pattern of denying, accusing and reversing victim and offender (called DARVO) it's a classic mental/emotional abuse cycle. There's other things that show the cycle as well (including Gabby's high emotional state and near hysterics being fight or flight). For what it's worth I also tried to see patterns in reverse and they just weren't there. Someone posted the abuse wheel, might be worth taking a look at.
     


  2. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    I think he thought the whole thing was an inconvenience.

    I haven't seen any indication that he had a history of being violent towards her, but Gabby mentioned that "he thought she couldn't do it," when talking about her YouTube channel. It's possible he may have put her down or criticized her instead of being supportive, which would have added to her anxiety.

    I think he was more interested in hiking and exploring rather than documenting their trip. That may be what triggered the arguing in the previous days. IMO
     
  3. citizen_sleuth

    citizen_sleuth Well-Known Member

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    She did ask the officer in the footage where he was being taken and the officer explained he couldn’t divulge that information.
     
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    wnk Well-Known Member

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    We do not know that she actually had any diagnosed mental health issues.

    For all we know, she could have simply had very reasonable safety concerns that she was told over and over were "just her anxiety talking" or reasonable requests to clean up that she was told over and over were her being "OCD" and she internalized those statements by someone she trusted as being fact.
     
  5. Birmingplumb

    Birmingplumb Well-Known Member

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    I get that .....but why? why did the founders grant someone who has committed a crime a right not to speak ?? What past event caused this? maybe in England? that makes this a bad thing? ( making someone speak) there has to be data backing this up .... I don't still understand why besides providing a living for lawers
     
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  6. Breezie

    Breezie Well-Known Member

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    Moonflower Co-op worker speaks of eerie link between Gabby Petito and double murder

    Ms Keating said it was “strange” that nobody who was working that day had noticed the police officers attending the fight.

    “I don’t know how we wouldn’t have known if the cops weren’t called outside our store. I’m guessing somebody was sitting outside of our store and I’m guessing that’s the person who saw them and called the police.”

    The theory that BL was upset that Kylen might have made the call is unlikely even if she was working that day. It is just a strange coincidence that Kylen and her spouse were last seen leaving a bar, the day after, August 13.
     
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  7. LietKynes

    LietKynes Well-Known Member

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    Ummm... Maybe Gabby wasn't the one with ocd ?
    No one is perfect.
    Not Gabby.
    Not Brian.
    But a trip like this can sour quickly and I think things went downhill in a horrible manner. :(
    And, Brian's not the one who is missing.
    Just saying.
    MOO.
     
  8. Jurisprudence

    Jurisprudence Well-Known Member

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    I think he tossed the phone after the texts. Taking it would provide evidence by cellphone data. I'm guessing he knew this since it's basically common knowledge.
     
  9. brookesmith

    brookesmith Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. It's demeaning and I feel like she is conditioned to blame everything on her supposed 'anxiety'
     
  10. SuziQ

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    Legally none of that matters. His name was not on the title.
     
  11. oviedo

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    I wish I knew more about diagnosed OCD - but staying in the confines of that van would give me pause. Even with the tent - that life is not cut out for me for sure.
    JMO
     
  12. citizen_sleuth

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    Yes the officer does say that. When he first approaches the car, the female officer says that she’s on the phone with her parents to try and calm down.
     
  13. Kitagrl

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    THIS absolutely. I noticed this even in just the couple of clips they showed in a news segment. She’s putting the blame on herself. Crying, speaking apologetically. Boyfriend seems confident and unruffled rather than concerned for his girlfriend. Even just a few seconds of video plus reading partial transcripts screams narcissistic boyfriend to me, but that’s JMHO, MOO.
     
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    I would think a Lawyer would advise his client to cooperate if they are innocent and a person is missing.
    Not cooperating when you have a Lawyer seems shady. Rights or not.
     
  15. shotgun09

    shotgun09 'Certified' Boomer

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    IMO, their dispute may have started because of sand in the tent. He discussed his sand-filled shoes/sandals to the LE. I recall seeing a picture of their tent posted somewhere...It was a delightfully clean and bright picture of a tent. Perfectly made bed, things placed in the corners with precision. GP's admitted OCD was probably an issue when it came to things being clean and in their spot.
    Could be what started it? My guess
     
  16. HolographicOne

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    They must have evidence a crime was committed.
     
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  17. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    That’s why I said “provided they have enough probable cause.”
     
  18. gliving

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    I know it's easy to say could've would've should've. Gabby's on the phone with her mother while she's in the back of the patrol car. I wonder what was said during that convo. If it was my daughter, I'd be saying this trip isn't working out. It's okay when plans fail. Time to come home.

    49:49 mark
     
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  19. bellyup

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    To be clear, I was responding to someone flat out saying we "know" BL didn't hit her.

    There's really no evidence he did (aside him saying he pushed her) and there's no evidence he did not. No definitive statement can really be made either way IMO.
     
  20. Skigirl

    Skigirl Verified expert in neuroscience

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    Totally! My husband and I had an argument at night in Venice once and I remember how terrified I was when he stomped off because I didn't speak Italian and Venice is insanely confusing and I wasn't sure I would ever find our hotel again. I felt unsafe and vulnerable and I was so freaked out that I was practically screaming at him. I refused to stop following him. It wasn't because I was abusive, it was because I was scared for my life. Fortunately, he realized how dangerous it would be too, before I had to do whatever the equivalent of crawling in the driver side window would have been.

    Given how hot it was, how broke they seem to have been, and the fact that neither of them knew anyone, the idea of being abandoned would have been absolutely terrifying. Very close to "emotional abuse" in my opinion.
     
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