Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #44

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  1. NCWatcher

    NCWatcher Well-Known Member

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    I didn't mean you said he had insurance. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

    But yes, several posts have said with AT&T insurance he could have had a phone mailed to him so why didn't he do that? I'm not sure he would have had insurance.

    Some posts have questioned why he would get a new number. But when it really comes down to it, we know very little about the phone situation. We don't know what service he had before (did he have a number?), who paid for his service if it was a paid service vs an app and public WiFi, what happened to his old phone, when he got a new phone (4th or 14th?), or whether (as you hypothesize) "he got a new account" meant a new plan etc. So it's all iffy.

    JMO
     
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  2. JudgeJudi

    JudgeJudi Well-Known Member

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    Where are all Gabby’s belongings. She lived in that house for 2 years, and where are all the things she would have had in the van.

    Surely the FBI has asked his parents this.

    Oh, that’s right ... the parents don’t speak to anyone.
     
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  3. CamilleBSP

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    It could be that they wipped their social media presence prior to starting their "influencer" venture. I know I'd do that (or at least try my best) before starting a career in social media.
     
  4. imstilla.grandma

    imstilla.grandma Believer of Miracles

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    “For instance, while working a case searching for a gun used in a homicide, I found just the barrel in the mud. But that was enough for the crime lab, which confirmed through ballistics that it came from the gun used in the shooting.”

    Says Lundborg, “You never know what you’re going to find under the water. About 20 years ago, before my time, one of our divers found a bucket full of concrete which he thought was an anchor—but there was a head inside.”
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    A gun isn’t sitting there on the sand for you to see it. It’s below the silt layers, and we have to get down there and search by feel. A lot of our waterways are contaminated and we have to wear special drysuits and full face masks. The idea is to not let the water touch you and definitely not to ingest it.

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    Underwater evidence is difficult to see because most canal and lake bottoms in Broward County are a foot deep in soft, mud-brown silt. Even a careful diver inching along the muddy bottom stirs up clouds of swirling silt as he kicks his fins, making limited visibility even worse.

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    HIDDEN CLUES SHERIFF'S DIVERS FACE UNDERWATER MYSTERIES.
     
  5. Alkali13

    Alkali13 Wannabe Criminalist

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    That's a private jet at 13k feet altitute. No idea what it is doing, but it's likely not involved with BL.

    I would love to know what the heck it is doing though, lol
     
  6. SMK777

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    Poor guy has to travel cross-country to attend a wedding, yikes.
     
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  8. Hope32

    Hope32 Mainly Lurker Sometimes Sleuther

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    He could have been on someone elses account and did not have the access number. Also not authorized or a different provider... Many reasons he may have opened a new account... new card better deals for a phone...
     
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    Brain Entin just posted a call he had with Dog this morning and Dog basically said that 'these dogs don't need a scent from clothing to find a starting place they smell for humans and adrenaline' (paraphrasing here), and he said they had located one person who isn't BL. So I don't think so.
     
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    Can't stand people like that. We have National Parks to visit, you don't need to pass a worthiness test to go. They're more popular now because it's an outdoor experience in the era of covid. We've camped and RV'd with our kids for years, but never have I been upset to see more people at State or National Parks, it's a trend we should welcome. Of course, he shuns shoes and gets hydrated by eating melons so I don't put much stock in his opinions anyway.
     
  11. Sunshynn

    Sunshynn The girl with kaleidoscope eyes

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    Seems plausible about his trip home except wasn't the van GP's?
    How would he explain that GP 'went crazy' and that he doesn't want anything to do with her or her crazy family but that she was nice enough to let him return to Florida in her van?
     
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    As far as I can remember it was a convenience store at a gas station in Benton*, IL. Don't quote me on that. Saddly, I can't remember the thread #s either.

    Edited to include the correct name for the city. Link to MSM is on page 7* of this thread.
     
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    Good point. My DS is a senior in high school, he doesn't use the main stream SM like insta or FB, but he uses snapchat a lot and looks at TikTok. BUT, he was an aspiring "influencer" in middle school (rubiks cubes, football, and gaming) and when I google him I get plenty of old artifacts from that time period. Maybe it is because he's lazy and doesn't clean up after himself digitally, just like in real life, LOL. But how many people would go back and try to remove all of that old stuff rather than let it just die off?

    And kind of related, aside from the no SM in earlier life, there's not a lot in general online. Again, I google my kid and I get sports stuff, scouts stuff, a mention in my grandfather's obit, class plays, just junk like that. Now it is nearly impossible to google BL without getting all of the current stuff, but I googled him right away when this hit the news and I just didn't see any of the usual life junk that most of us have out in internet-land.

    MOO
     
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    Don't forget TikTok that one is wildly popular right now too.
    In order to exist as an Influencer you'd need at least ONE sm account: YouTube, Twitter, TikTok at least...most have all of them.
     
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    If someone felt they were getting "harassed" by all the phone calls from GPs parents, could that be some of the 911 calls?


     
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    Alkali13 Wannabe Criminalist

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    Looks like there are metal detectors that work under water: Underwater Metal Detectors – Reviewing the Best Options | MetalDetector.com
     
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    My Gen-Z daughter has informed me that FB and Twitter are "for Boomers and Gen X. Gen-Z use Snapchat and TikTok." Okay then. :)
     
  20. TheGardener

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    Further evidence that eyewitness accounts can be sketchy. MOO
     
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