Discussion in 'Located Persons Discussion' started by PommyMommy, Sep 12, 2021.
Well, hmmmm. How 'bout that?! SMH.
I agree with you @JudgeJoe. As I watched that first body cam footage in its entirety I was very disturbed when one particular officer arrived on the scene because the entire dynamic shifted IMO. And, the number of officers and rangers present, with some talking over each other, and one arriving late to the party and trying to take control, hampered what could have otherwise been a more informative stop. Think about it, they never even checked the vehicle registration. Something that should be so routine. Rote. Automatic. To me this is telling. Too many "Chiefs" on-scene. This is MOO.
That's why I started printing articles to PDFs. I tried to attach it here, but WS says it's too big. So I snipped it down to just the interview part without the article.
My take on the phone involvement at Moonflower is that Brian was worried that Gabby was about to leave him there without his phone (according to what he told the officer), so he was attempting to grab hers so that she wouldn't go, or so he'd have a phone if she did go.
As far as things ramping up by 08/25, it seems they were absolutely under a lot of stress from the close quarters of the trip, the inability of Gabby to get as much work done as she wanted, and according to what Brian told the officer, Gabby was upset with the bugs. I also wonder if Brian was unhappy about the potential meet-up with Gabby's friend at Yellowstone in the next few days. Apparently, they were planning to go there on the 27th. I'm guessing that Rose never made the trip, but I don't think that's been confirmed.
What do you think about Brian leaving his house on Tuesday, the parents saying they picked the Mustang up on Thursday, but video evidence shows the car was in their driveway on Wednesday?
There are several trails that are a part of or intersect with the AT in North Georgia that would be suitable for day hikes. I also would not say someone was "hiking the AT" if they just hiked up Blood Mountain, for instance.
I wonder what the mom.and dad know, and how deep their involvement. ULE doesn't reveal what they know, but I hope LE investigating is not on the level of the MOAD,.., sp Ot the FBI that was involved in the Russia fiasco. I suspect the FBI will only be led to him by an alert citizen, And it is helpful to keep this story alive. Don't let it go cold.
Anyone can say they "hiked the Appalachian Trail." It crosses roads in many places, including Newfound Gap at the top of the Great Smoky Mountains. I walked about 100 yards there once with my husband, and again in North Carolina at Wayah Bald, where we took pictures in a fire tower with a parking lot below. So indeed, I could say I have hiked the Appy Trail and have pics to prove it, but that would not make me a world class hiker. It would also make me a typical day-hiker, not a survivalist.
There was a quote going around saying Bl spent 6 weeks on the App Trail. That would be a lot of hiking. That's really different than spending one birthday there, partly in a hammock. He supposedly hiked some up near Boone, NC, as well, but not many pics of that either.
Do you mean "bruise."? I ask because it's a medical fact that people don't bruise within minutes or hours. Plus, she said she could feel the sting (my word) where his nail had scratched her face. So maybe a scratch, but not bruise.
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I respect the heck out of them for it. I have a little girl & I have a great relationship with her daddy & his family. Especially with his wife. I’m not married or anything (yet haha) but we (his wife & I especially) have a wonderful relationship. & it was not easy at all. You could def tell that before all this that they had a good relationship IMO. As soon as this happened, the 4 of them came together as one unit almost instantly. Big respect.
He certainly seemed to throw her under the bus and then attempt to back pedal. IMO
this whole time ive been thinking that brian didn't want her meeting up with rose bc it was doing something on her own / taking time away from him, but just occurred to me that with things escalating between them as they likely were that he may have been worried time with a friend would mean she might tell rose what was going on and get encouragement to leave and he couldn't let that happen
It seems to me they went above and beyond in making their decision. Even looking up the exact guidelines to follow. What do people think they should have done? Send GP to jail overnight? What could they have done differently? I'm asking sincerely, what? What were their other choices??
No, you have it wrong. He had his phone that he took out of his pocket. He was the one who locked her out of the van. Brian was projecting IMO.
And Brian said she was upset by the bugs. She didn't. He was very vocal about all the things wrong with her IMO.
Yes, according to @oviedo's timeline, it was after the Moab incident.
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I do think that if GP's family helped separate the couple, they would have said something about that. But GP might've been getting financial help from them more generally, or GP and BL may have given some other reason for the separation, such as the one we've heard.
Maybe BL really did move some things in FL, though given the cost of a plane flight, the economics of that wouldn't make much sense. As some have suggested, the comment that CL did not finish during the interview may have implied that this was not a one-off situation -- that BL tended to go home when... it wasn't clear, and, but it sounded like when things got tough in some way -- I won't speculate further.
There’s no statute of limitations for murder so if LE thinks a murder might have occurred or definitely did occur then they will keep a wrap on any possible evidence in case BL eventually comes out of the woodwork. How can they know he’s not going to be found until he’s actually found?
I’m starting to think we may never know much more than we know now.
It is really stretching it for me to even contemplate that Brian is successfully evading what some poster enthusiastically named as the 'most expert law enforcement org in the world'...( the FBI ) in comparison to his life as is known up until then. He still lived at home . He didn't hold down a full time job, and when he did, he worked for Mum and Dad. He didn't own property, or even his own car. He had one girlfriend. He didn't play team sport of any kind, as far as I can tell.
Gabby is, as far as is known his first and only murder, and it is reasonable to assume, on that basis alone, that it was not tidy, or efficient. That the rangers who went in there could tell it was homicide from 40 paces away.
And then, he doesn't hide her body, ( the evidence of his crime ) , he leaves it in a well used area, and not only leaves her body, but then takes a van registered to her, and her bankcard , and then actually withdraws money from a bankcard that is not his..
Any 24 yr old would know he was leaving a trace on that act alone, using a dead persons card. He knows she is dead, because he has her van, and has departed the scene. Otherwise, he would be looking for her.
It is on this kind of serial repeated persistent cackhanded action of Brian's that I am skeptical of the whole idea of him doing this incredible evasive survival thingy on his own. That would take real instinctual cleverness and forethought, LOTS of forethought, a capacity to judge risk very well.
Remember, we don't know how much if any he got from GP's cards before returning.
And yet we know he had his own phone in his pocket the whole time of the DV stop. Also that Gabby's was stowed in a weird spot in the van that BL had to show to the female ranger, when she was sent to retrieve Gabby's. This reeks of deception. His excuse for taking the phone holds little water, imo. His actions pointed to him taking possession of her phone, putting her backpack outside the van, taking her van keys and attempting to drive away from her/prevent her from entering her own van/home.
I believe her fear of abandonment was very real. His claims? Not so much. We see that she was extremely reluctant to drive on her own, or to be separated from him and yet he's afraid she'll drive off without him? Not likely.
That is not true. Bruising can happen within seconds, it all depends on the person and their clotting abilities.
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