Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #48

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  1. Jurisprudence

    Jurisprudence Well-Known Member

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    IMO, it is not a strategy, but rather considerations of constitutional restraints. MOO, there are potential speedy trial issues. Usually a trial must commence within 70 days of indictment (if a plea entered) (18 U.S. Code § 3161(c)(1)). But there’s a tolling provision that (IMOO) would apply to stop the running of that clock (18 U.S. Code § 3161(h)(3) (A) and (B)):

    [“The following periods of delay shall be excluded in computing the time within which … the trial of any such offense must commence:

    … a defendant or an essential witness shall be considered absent when his whereabouts are unknown and, in addition, he is attempting to avoid apprehension or prosecution or his whereabouts cannot be determined by due diligence. For purposes of such subparagraph, a defendant or an essential witness shall be considered unavailable whenever his whereabouts are known but his presence for trial cannot be obtained by due diligence or he resists appearing at or being returned for trial.’]

    So, IMOO, if they have the COD and necessary evidence they “could” file an indictment under seal and always do a superseding indictment later. But, IMO, for right now, it’s not necessary – yet because (i) LE is still doing its “due diligence” to locate him and obtain his whereabouts; and (ii) the government now has a returned indictment for a separate federal crime, and that is enough to hold him. They have made a motion for pre-trial detention for if and when he’s found, and in MOO it will be granted based upon his flight alone. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.wyd.59306/gov.uscourts.wyd.59306.2.0.pdf

    If and when he’s found any indictment will be immediately unsealed and/or filed (MOO), he will likely be detained awaiting trial, and his trial should be moved up as priority. (see 18 U.S. Code § 3164(a)) MOO, JMO. (Opinions my own, this is not legal advice).
     


  2. Bekind89

    Bekind89 Well-Known Member

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    I think he was very envious of her. He was inadequate. JMO
     
  3. Trooper

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    My guess would be because it would mean that Gabby couldn't use the that phone, her phone, for her 'little vlog'... a subtle yet efficient way of impinging on her time and resources , and a real payoff in the annoyance stakes.. he could frustrate her, and at the same time, claim he was on urgent business...
     
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  4. ringbearer

    ringbearer Former Member

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    Not saying it couldn't be done, but that the lawyer wouldn't do it. When they went to Orlando, the FBI was literally with them the entire time. It would be insane for the lawyer to obstruct justice with the FBI standing right outside his door and knowing perfectly well that he was meeting with the Laundries. It's one thing to have a sketchy privileged convo with your clients (which would still be very bad and unlikely, imo), and quite another to start doing sketchy RE transactions for them to assist in harboring a fugitive. That would make him completely insane, imo. And I don't think he's that. Could be wrong. jmo.
     
  5. cady

    cady Well-Known Member

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    THANKS. So, when he said he didn't have a phone, he meant that it wasn't charged. jmo
     
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  6. Warwick7

    Warwick7 Well-Known Member

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    I know I'm behind on the threads again, however the parent's attorney made it clear that Brian saw her at her home on the 1st and then he saw her on the 6th. Seeing that we expect him to be telling the truth, we accept his statement.

    Family attorney says sister saw Brian Laundrie twice after his return to Florida: report

    "Cassie saw her brother Brian on September 1 when he stopped by her home and again on September 6 at Fort De Soto Park,” Bertolino told the TV station in a text message.
     
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  7. TheGardener

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    I'm on the floor...
    When you can't get to the mighty Appalachians...GO DISNEY!:D
     
  8. olivegreen

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    I wonder if this applies to the FBI though? Wouldn’t that be federal, as opposed to state laws?
     
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  9. Trooper

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    He got a tremendous payoff, I reckon.. Being seen as the appendage of a beautiful young woman, no one else is ever going to look at him the way Gabby did. His status was raised from a flatfooted swivel eyed ning nong to a Brad Pittish character, in his own eyes and probably others.. ( and we saw a glimpse of this at the Moab stop, we he gained so much credibility for being chosen by this gorgeous girl, yet had the gooleys to exert control and discipline over her.. every mans dream, some would say ) ...
     
  10. EvieIvyOver

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    Her body was located by aerial surveillance. I'm sure they knew the general area, but the YouTubers more than likely gave them the specific area making it easier for them. I don't know how long they were searching before they got the leads, but these tips had to have been just what they needed.
     
  11. 10ofRods

    10ofRods Verified Anthropologist

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    Cause? Perhaps. But it's also possible that there are multiple injuries (horrific, I know). Let's say Gabby was severely beaten, then smashed with a rock, and didn't die, but someone got a weapon and finished her off (or maybe she was already dead when they shot/stabbed her?) All of that takes reports from a pathologist. Pathologists are in short supply and results, even if fast-tracked by the feds can take a couple of months. But...what if there's some toxic substance in her body? what if someone gave her a drug? ALL of that has to be in the final report, and nothing makes a defense attorney. happier than a Coroner's report that's in error.

    Which rarely, rarely happens. The next version will probably be for LE eyes only and for investigative purposes only, while they pull in new resources to study the body's pathology even further.

    Forensic Entomologists need to be called in (there are only a handful of them). Perhaps specialists in the local biome (I would call them in at this point, if I were in charge - little things can be important).

    It's possible the final result will say that there is more than one fatal injury, all of it homicidal.
     
  12. SouthAussie

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    From what I am reading, it seems that in Wyoming a grand jury meets every two months.
    I don't think they rush and put a Grand Jury together every time they produce an indictment. It is more like a Grand Jury considers a bunch of different indictments every time they meet. imo

    For all we know, the feds might not even have a murder/manslaughter indictment together yet ... if they are still gathering evidence and/or waiting for finalised autopsy reports.



    The District of Wyoming convenes a federal grand jury every two months to consider criminal charges contained in proposed indictments for cases that have been investigated by local, state, tribal, and federal law enforcement. The grand jury may also investigate possible criminal activity through testimony of witnesses and obtaining records. The grand jury is comprised of 23 citizens from all over Wyoming who serve for a term of up to eighteen months.

    If the jury finds the charges should proceed against the accused, it returns what is referred to as a “true bill” approving the proposed indictment.

    FEDERAL GRAND JURY CONDUCTED IN CASPER
     
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  13. Trooper

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    He was fake, I am pretty sure that's generally agreed to, so where else would a faker hide out in?? in a fake jungle.

    ( The Gardener's antipodean fan )
     
  14. ZoriahNZ

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    But Brian had more than 2 days to get back home. I'm no doctor, but I don't think someone could feasibly claim that they were in a constant flight or fight adrenaline response for that long. IMO, he had plenty of time to review his actions, change his course, contact the authorities, make better decisions which did not involve deceit or concealment etc. Or, you know, federal bank fraud.
     
  15. Mikeysmom

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    don't know if this is allowed but Gabby's mom and grandmother are now on Twitter. I won't link it in case its not allowed. But you can find the accounts pretty easy by their names.
     
  16. ChuckInHouston

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    https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/fbi-obtains-surveillance-video-of-campground-laundrie
    The message was aimed at crowds that once again lined up outside the family's home in North Port, using a bullhorn to voice their frustration with the family, implying that the parents know more than what they are letting on. Police have said that Laundrie's parents are still not cooperating with the investigation.2 days ago
     
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    Grand Teton to North Port, FL, is about 34 hours, per Google maps. Which assumes traveling at the speed limit.

    In my mid-40s I stayed up for 3 days straight more than once (on purpose; no homicide in my mental rear-view mirror; not driving, but active). My parents, in their 70s, would drive the 24 hours from their home to mine in a day & a half, for no readon other than just to get here.

    Looking at my personal, anecdotal sampling, I can't imagine it impossible that a very young, very healthy man who just took his dead girlfriend's van to head home to mom & dad couldn't make that trip alone in the August 29/30 - August 31 - Sept 1 time period.

    Iirc, reports suggested he arrived late morning on the 1st. Even starting midday on the 30th, that's, say 46 hours. 46 hours to drive 34 is just not that big a deal.
     
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    Maybe there was an extra set of keys but they were with her stuff in the van?
     
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    But it was working. On the cam you can see him turn it on and show the officer his phone number. Low on battery maybe, but not dead. That is different than saying "I don't have a phone."
     
  20. Mmaaix

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    IMO this wasn’t him it just doesn’t really fit in the timeline.

    Also

    MOO and yes I’m a southerner I don’t think he was mad because they were from the South it was more so guns, hunting, and politics of southerners. Which I’m sorry to say but he has a point. I find myself agreeing with a lot of his ideas and when I read this thread I’m afraid to speak out. I definitely do NOT think he’s innocent nor am I defending him I just think that some individuals ideas of what make him a sociopath or psychopath are incorrect. For example I too don’t particularly like humans and prefer nature. I am far too sensitive and compassionate for most people in this world. I cannot relate I see most people as being selfish and non compassionate unless it effects them. So I avoid people. I don’t really have many friends either I don’t talk on the phone I don’t text. I do think plastic is bad for our environment and need to start taking care of our planet.
    My point is im definitely not gonna go kill anyone in fact I became increasingly more the way I am because I have had a lot of trauma in my life.

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    So not having friends and hating humanity doesn’t make you a murderer.

    <modsnip>

    BL deserves whatever he gets but it’s does not have anything to do with how many friends, distaste of humanity, or saving the environment. He’s just EVIL MOO
     
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