Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #53

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To be more clear, Gabby and Brian were not well-known (either inside or outside the van life/influencer community) until September 13, when the first articles about her disappearance started coming in. They had a few hundred social media followers and 500 YouTube views. The Moab incident was a month before the story broke.
 
The man that was interviewing CL in front of her home was not from Nation news. He was one of the protesters that has been in front of BL's parent's home. Just FYI
I am still impressed by how well he did, and how much information he elicited. And, because he was not MSM doing an "interview" there was no editing. It was raw footage and because of this, we got to hear everything in context. Valuable IMO.
 
I agree and would add that for every "successful" content creator/influencer there are an exponentially large number of aspirational influencers who will fail to gain traction beyond families and friends, or become influential or gain any type of a monetary reward.

The reality is that the effort and time spent trying to establish a brand means LESS time engaging in the activity that inspired you to try to make your passion into a viable income stream.

This is especially true for travel bloggers and outdoor /nature photographers. Imo.

I'm sure this terrible irony has occurred to many: it took her death and this unprecedented media frenzy for her content to stand out among the hoards of other creators.

We can't really know what her overall career goals were, but her online presence was not much different from millions of others her age... except for the beautiful, changing scenery, and shocking ending.
Imo
Reading this, I think, did BL encourage GP to pursue her dream for the 18 months while she was saving, purchasing the van, and fixing it up, because all that served his interest of traveling to national parks. And according to the friend RD, he didn't like her working 50 hours a week at Taco Bell just before the trip, so he would have encouraged her quitting to go on the trip. So then once it's done and they're on the road, his encouragement switches to discouragement because he's gotten what he wants.
 
I think part of the problem is so little information has been released officially in this case. We don't know what exactly was written in Brian's missing person report. What's happening is the first report by a reporter is being treated as an official LE fact and later, when additional information comes out, we are finding out the first report was maybe not exactly right and we're claiming it was false.

We have to realize we are hearing Brian E's or JB's interpretation of the facts unless we are getting a direct statement from LE.

The parents may have given LE the exact location of the car. LE says they are searching this larger area (Carlton Reserve) and does not release the exact address. MSM sees LE going into one entrance of Carlton Reserve. The story becomes "BL went missing from Carlton Reserve."

I think it's problematic but I don't see how we can operate any differently unless the FBI starts releasing more information, preferably in written press releases!

But it was officially released which is why we were discussing it weeks ago. I think this is just media spin for clicks.
 
Something to consider, those who have poo pooed the idea of false walls or trap doors or anything possibly constructed by the L's, people who own multiple properties are usually well versed in maintenance and upkeep of said properties. There are exceptions of course but that is often the case. They also are well versed in rehabbing houses that are in bad shape so they can then rent them out. This would require construction in said houses. They could also contract out in which case they would "know a guy" who could assist them. There's no telling what is in their house and previously constructed way before any of this mess. IMO.

Bertha, you ought to consider writing a novel, and I mean this in a completely positive way. You have great ideas and a vibrant imagination. I'm not judging or criticizing your thoughts on BL, because the way this case has been twisting and turning (along with some of the Laundrie family's inconsistencies), any and every theory is at least remotely possible.
 
I'm sorry but now all I can think of is this classic Simpsons episode.

On a somewhat more serious note, the Supreme Court actually weighed in on the use of such thermal imaging devices, the TL;DR is that they constitute a "search" of a home under the terms of the Fourth Amendment, and as such would require a warrant. I would assume that if they were able to get a warrant, they would just go in and tear the place up without the need for such things, though. I really cannot imagine a real-life non-ludicrous scenario in which BL is still somehow alive inside the house, and think-slash-hope they wouldn't be engaging in some bizarre long (and expensive) con of searching a nature preserve without good reason to think he is or was there.

Right, I was thinking when they served the warrant on the L house and escorted the L family out of the house, they could have flown a drone or used a sensor from outside of the house to confirm there wasn't another person hiding inside. They spent many hours searching and removing evidence from the house so I'm sure they were able to check anywhere a person could be found.
 
Its not a stretch to believe both GP and BL planned and paid for their adventure together. The nuts and bolts of it are their individual goals. What did they want to accomplish and are those goals the same?

I seems she wanted to broaden her interaction with the world, while he saw the trip as a means of distancing himself from the world. He belittled her efforts for that reason, and it became a fiery contention between them. He just can't seem to get her to cut the societal cord, to leave all communication behind and become one with a frugal, lonesome isolation. That's just not her. She's not fully into the game and it sticks in both their craws.

For all the discussion of the where's and whens, the most important is the whys. The inner dynamics of two personalities hoping for more, yet clashing at the epicenter where they should comfortably meet. They go through the cursory motions, but they have this immovable obstacle. Once met, the sad result is physical. They're simply out of reasonable ways to overcome the glaring abyss of difference living in the hub of their wheel. Her innate embrace of this world and everything in it, and his complete rejection of it for the world of self. Tough stuff and a flashpoint when youth, emotional immaturity, inability of compromise and raging hormones meet.
MOO.

I don't agree with this point of view at all. You seem to seek to sanitize Gabby's murder as something unavoidable because of unfavorable dynamics. You eliminate any pain and suffering with your language. What happened to Gabby was savage homicidal violence and betrayal at the hands of someone she loved. He made the criminal choice to murder Gabby with either his hands or a weapon because of immature hurt feelings. Do not lose track of the fact that Gabby suffered and died at the hands of this murderous beast. MOO
 
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JP makes a deliberate concerted effort to correct Dr. Phil that it is not accurate to say BL returned to FL without telling anyone but rather that (to their knowledge) he returned to FL without telling them. And, I'm with him on this. I have always thought the parents were consulted for guidance and that they told him he should get back there and they'd figure it out from there. MOO. Translation of that MOO, I still believe the parents knew something happened before he arrived home and as they cancelled and rebooked that camping trip. MOO. Speculation.

i definitely agree. I don't think BL was able to keep what happened within himself. He had to contact the parents.
 
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They certainly didn't open every box, I would guess. It looked like they did the standard search.

So yeah, he could have had a hidey hole in the house. Anyone who builds an impromptu staircase so that their kid can bolt over the back fence is capable of keeping a large box for him to hide in, in the middle of a bunch of other boxes. FBI would have needed a lot of time to clean out that garage that day, and it would have been visible from outside the house.

Some have mentioned that pillar-like thing in his bedroom, but I can't see from the picture whether the drywall was structured so as to make an opening. I do wonder why it's there. Perhaps just weird house construction. There are certain states of mind, cognitive conditions, where the subject likes to hide, seeks a small space, etc.

Indeed, Van Life has real appeal to such people and both Alex Honnold and his mom have spoken about his mind qualities, which make him favor Van Life.

10ofRods, I agree that it is not beyond the realm of possibility that Brian is concealed inside the parents home.
I posted something similar in the first few days of the search for Gabby.

It is rare, but police have been known to thoroughly search a home or building and not find a well concealed entrance to an underground room. I remember one in particular where the perpetrator had a girl concealed in a small soundproof room complete with a makeshift toilet and bed. The concealed entrance inside the home led to a hallway or shaft where another door was concealed to enter into the room where he kept the girl. If anyone found the first concealed doorway they would look inside and see an empty space. Only if they thoroughly searched the walls of the passage would they find the second room. His home was thoroughly searched more than once. I don’t remember how she was finally found. Maybe someone else he remembers the case. I think it happened in the 1980s.

MOO
 
They either know where he is and don't care about searching for him, or they know he is dead and don't care about searching for him. I cannot think of a different option.
MOO
I honestly think that if they thought he was dead they would be screaming all day every day at the top of their lungs, "FIND MY CHILD"
 
I think part of the problem is so little information has been released officially in this case. We don't know what exactly was written in Brian's missing person report. What's happening is the first report by a reporter is being treated as an official LE fact and later, when additional information comes out, we are finding out the first report was maybe not exactly right and we're claiming it was false.

We have to realize we are hearing Brian E's or JB's interpretation of the facts unless we are getting a direct statement from LE.

The parents may have given LE the exact location of the car. LE says they are searching this larger area (Carlton Reserve) and does not release the exact address. MSM sees LE going into one entrance of Carlton Reserve. The story becomes "BL went missing from Carlton Reserve."

I think it's problematic but I don't see how we can operate any differently unless the FBI starts releasing more information, preferably in written press releases!

But not texts :D
 
Did anyone notice during WFLA live the vehicle that was behind the drone van that was black on the bridge? It looked a like a big antenna or something on top but then I think it was actually attached to the guardrail on the bridge. Any ideas what that is? WFLA Now Video Fore reference look around the 24 minute mark here:

That is a Yagi antenna for radio communications attached to the rail/bridge. There is a solar panel and a box that would be waterproof protecting the radio transceiver.

The solar panel tells me the radio probably goes to sleep and only transmits periodically. Maybe water level data.
 
Bertha, you ought to consider writing a novel, and I mean this in a completely positive way. You have great ideas and a vibrant imagination. I'm not judging or criticizing your thoughts on BL, because the way this case has been twisting and turning (along with some of the Laundrie family's inconsistencies), any and every theory is at least remotely possible.

I'm just trying to understand and maybe there isn't any logic to any of this and it's pointless to do so. But as long as there is a possibility in any scenario, it's worth mentioning in my opinion just as I enjoy others' views. Which I believe is the entire point of this forum- bring recognition to cases, discuss and toss around ideas. I don't take your post as critical. I welcome all conversations and opinions. IMO.
 
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