Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #56

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  1. nocommoncents

    nocommoncents Well-Known Member

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    Right, I was trying to decide what angle to look from.
     


  2. sk716

    sk716 Armchair Anthropologist

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    It's not a matter of opinion, the NPPD were at the Laundrie house on the 10th. We have seen the redacted police reports.
     
  3. TL4S

    TL4S Well-Known Member

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    Good information. If you head south out of Myakkahatchee Park on Big Slough Canal, it would take you just west of that neighborhood, or meet up with an east branch that would run just south of that neighborhood. Probably would not be difficult to stay hidden the rest of the way in cover of night.
     
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  4. tiara1972

    tiara1972 On Time Out

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    I think he left with the card because it was in the van. We always left our cards in the van when camping. What is not clear to me, is that he left with her phone. Who had that? Someone else? Maybe. We really don't know.

    In the full video from the protesters, at one point (as I recall) the protestor was again pointing out the impact of Gabby's death on her family and James said something like, yes we know, we could have lost someone, too. I found it curious. MOO!!!!
     
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  5. Van Helsing

    Van Helsing Well-Known Member

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    True. Maybe it's the lawyer? ... his family?, ... BL himself?
     
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  6. Which_pancake

    Which_pancake Well-Known Member

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    I don't understand - is the claim that CL drove near a house where BL is hiding while he was being followed by the FBI?

    Edit - sorry I think I meant to reply to the person you were replying to
     
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  7. TL4S

    TL4S Well-Known Member

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    If you think about it, though, if the parents knew what had happened and were still acting normal during that time, they all had to be total sociopath.
     
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  8. ThoughtFox

    ThoughtFox Expecting the Unexpected

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    Yep, a rock seems plausible to me, or a flashlight. Maybe the arguments over several days had built up between them, and the one from the restaurant was still fresh in their minds. They might not even be speaking to each other but they were supposed to sleep in that little tent together. So maybe Gabby was depressed and sitting by the fire instead of sleeping and that ticked BL off again. It doesn't have to be some new fight or important fight to cause the ending of Gabby's poor life. Every argument they had seems mundane and petty in hindsight - fights over money, the phone, a friend, the blog, a dinner gone bad, etcetera. The truth is more horrific if the fight was over something unimportant, which it probably was.
     
  9. Newsjunkiejen

    Newsjunkiejen Former Member

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    A similar scenario has crossed my mind.

    This is long, folks, but stick with me...

    I've watched the video filmed by Red, White and Bethune, of them passing in their van, and for whatever reason, each time I watch it I get the chills, and I've watched it a good few times now. It was giving me the chills even before it was revealed that GP's body was found not far away.

    It's the setting and location that gives me the heebie-jeebies, and here's why:

    As we know, Gabby's van was parked in a place that was very visible to passing vehicles (the van of Red, White and Bethune being a prime example), yet at the same time it was away from the main camp ground and parked in an undesignated spot, if I understand correctly.

    It did strike me that - as a woman - if I was camping alone or sleeping in the van alone in that spot, I'd feel very, very vulnerable.

    The van is far enough away from other campers who could come to your aid if need be, but somewhere where a passing vehicle - driven by an opportunist with unsavoury intentions - could quite easily spot that there was a female there alone.

    And the darkness - it would be absolutely pitch black there! There were trees that someone could've hidden behind and watched her, not to mention the fact that the van was positioned close to the little footbridge that was an 'escape route' for a perpetrator in terms of quickly getting her body out of sight of any other vehicles driving past.

    When Red, White and Bethune approached the van door was pulled shut from the inside - was this GP in there alone feeling a little unsafe and afraid?

    These thoughts are obviously based on the presumption that at some point, BL took off on foot, leaving GP in the van alone.

    Maybe they'd had another argument and he took off for some head space in his beloved wilderness, and she stayed behind to work on her beloved blog (the two things that were seemingly pulling them in opposite directions).

    • Did he then return and find her gone?
    • Did he drive off without looking for her as he was still sulking from their earlier fall-out?
    • Did he look for her and find her body then fly into a blind panic thinking he didn't stand a chance of this not being pinned on him, especially after the Moab traffic stop by police.

    Although BL's actions indicate otherwise, we can't rule out that something along those lines actually happened.

    MOO, JMO etc
     
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    Thank you so very much to both of you, this is exactly the info I was looking for.
     
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  11. Shellinaya

    Shellinaya Former Member

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    I don't think any juror would believe that story. They might consider it, but not ultimately believe that's what happened.

    Occam's razor means that the most obvious thing that happened is probably what happened.

    Occam's razor - Wikipedia

    Especially given BL's behavior afterwards. If you saw the love of your life fiance (maybe) being beaten to a pulp, why would he "panic" and then run? I stand by the idea that that would be extremely bizarre behavior and not at all normal or likely. Would it even enter a guy's mind that he can't report this crime because they might pin it on him? (When you should have no blood or wounds on your hands, no scratches, no bruises, if you are innocent?)

    And then he goes on the run for several weeks while those bruises and scratches heal. (Evidence). He might very well think that, if he was full of bruises and scratches and her blood.

    He could have told his family those bruises and scratches came from rock climbing and just camping accidents, and they believed him, but LE would not have been fooled, if they'd been able to examine him right after it happened. That's probably why BL is on the run right now.

    People in campgrounds are not usually lying in wait to harm someone else.
    All JMO
     
  12. WellThen

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    Strangely, some people seem to believe that, amongst other farfetched (impossible) scenarios.

    I don't and would think reasonable people don't either.

    The person that killed her lived in that house. And so did the people that covered it up and staged the most bizarre and implausible scenario LE has ever seen.

    To bring this back to the topic of Gabby's death, it's quite clear to me that Brian is culpable. Not some fanciful bogeyman.
     
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    Balthazar Well-Known Member

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    Not verified.

    This photo, IF it is BL - still unconfirmed - places him two blocks from Wabasso: Photo shows person who looks like Brian Laundrie walking Florida street
     
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    This is what I keep coming back to - she was left out there alone for weeks in the dirt with the insects and animals and weather. What person does that to someone they supposedly loved? Even if he killed her in the heat of the moment, how do you then steal her money and drive off home in her van and go bike riding and camping with your family, knowing she’s out there, knowing her family are clueless about her whereabouts? That almost more than the actual killing tells you how little value and respect there ever was for her, how dark this person’s soul is, IMO.
     
  15. nocommoncents

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    No, I agree they didn't know. I just don't know how he kept the truth from them. Lie? Say nothing? Half and half? None of it really fits. I have a theory but it's grasping.
     
  16. WestieMom

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    I would think they would take the body elsewhere. MOO
     
  17. Cinna

    Cinna Well-Known Member

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    I've been trying to come up with a scenario where Brian is innocent of murder. I'm unsure if pure conjecture is allowed, so my apologies if it's not. Anyway, all MOO...here we go...

    Gabby calls her parents during Moab stop.
    Gabby's father does not like Brian and has cruel nicknames for him and this really sets him off.

    Her parents are angry and call Brian to read him the riot act. Brian is resentful of this and intimidated.

    Brian and Gabby argue and Brian tell her he is going on a solo hiking trip. Gabby threatens to leave him if he does. She has a friend she was planning to meet up with. He goes anyway.

    Brian returns and Gabby is gone. He's still angry at her parents, angry at her and takes off for home.
    In the meantime, Gabby is murdered by some stranger. <modsnip>

    The murderer takes her phone and heads to Yosemite. Murderer texts her mother by accident. Murderer meant to text a friend. (This happens to me. Alot, lol!) Murderer turns the phone off.

    Brian tells his parents what happened. He tells them her parents threatened him, and so they refuse the calls/texts from her family.

    They get a lawyer when the calls persist. At this point they don't believe anything truly bad has happened. They feel Gabby's parents are threatening Brian and overreacting. Gabby is with her friend. She'll show up and all will be well.

    Then Brian realizes that Gabby is truly missing, and not off with friends. He realizes that he was wrong to take the credit card and van. He realizes he's in trouble no matter what. Bottom line is that he left her alone and now she's dead.

    Some people are locked up for years before they go to trial or prove their innocence. This would feel like
    death to an outdoors person like Brian. He may be innocent of murder but he did leave her alone and feels guilty.

    He runs.
     
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  18. rleigh123

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    The 911 calls confuse me, because this is the same time the L's supposedly refused to talk to police and just handed them a card.

    So when the 911 cops responded, they would talk? They were allowed in their home?

    I NEED to know what those 9/10 calls were! Any guesses?
     
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    I am pretty sure I have never declared that BL was innocent.
     
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  20. putnam6

    putnam6 Same as it ever was...

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    Yea designated does imply that, I understood it to mean there were other places cleared out as opposed to the this looks like just a wide spot in the road, where the van was parked. MOO

    from Bridger-Teton National Forest - Dispersed Camping Areas (Undeveloped Campground)

    What is Dispersed Camping?
    Dispersed camping is the term used for camping anywhere in the National Forest OUTSIDE of a designated campground. Dispersed camping means no services; such as trash removal, and little or no facilities; such as tables and fire pits, are provided. Some popular dispersed camping areas may have toilets.There are extra responsibilities and skills that are necessary for dispersed camping. It is your responsibility to know the camping rules and regulations to make your experience safe, and to keep the natural resources scenic and unspoiled for other campers.
     
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