Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #6

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  1. Jealoushe

    Jealoushe Well-Known Member

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    Yes they are, however lot of us who are familiar with abusers see the signs this man was likely abusive himself.
    Speaking from experience, a very chilled out person can be driven mad and to act in ways they wouldn't by someone who is a master abusive manipulator.

    This is moo. I think the relationship was toxic but I wouldn't be surprised if it was typical for him and not for her in the past.

    Not excusing violence on anyones part.
     


  2. Hotbell312

    Hotbell312 Well-Known Member

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    I agree with this. To look at what we know objectively, he was the one with the marks. We do know his actions are suspicious, however that alone does not make one guilty. In the video she clearly states she hits him. Every other claim of abuse of him on her is just pure speculation.
     
  3. I wonder

    I wonder Well-Known Member

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    I'm interested by the fact a man contacted the police about Gabby and Brian's fight. Maybe it's different in the US, but in the UK, we'd be very reluctant to intervene in an argument, especially as it wasn't Gabby being attacked. From what was said it doesn't sound like the worst fight in the world either.

    I'm not dismissing it and maybe I'm wrong but would everyone else have contacted the police? I may have gone over and asked if everything is ok, but I don't think I would have contacted the police, especially American police who don't have a reputation for dealing with things calmly. That's obviously a generalisation, no offence is made, but nonetheless, involving US police is a pretty big thing to do.
     
  4. PommyMommy

    PommyMommy #ShinelikeShanann

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    SEP 17, 2021
    ‘You never know what you’ve got in a photo’: Witnesses sought in Gabby Petito disappearance case | WFLA
    [...]

    SB said she spotted the couple’s van on Aug. 25 and contacted police.

    “It had the black ladder on the back and the two black rooftops on top—the two bars—and we made the comment that would be the perfect little camper van to go around in,” Baker said.

    Investigators are hoping more people come forward with information regarding the case.

    “You never know what you’ve got in a photo,” said Teton County Sheriff’s Office Sgt. Clayton Platt. “Low and behold there was a van that matches the description of this van in this case. All those little pieces can be pieces in the puzzle to help us figure out where Gabby is.”

    [...]

    @JudgeJoe, @oviedo - timeline
     
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  5. mlhenn

    mlhenn Well-Known Member

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    This stood out in the article posted above by @PommyMommy

    "Why would a lawyer advise their client not to cooperate in a case?"


    "Well the most obvious answer would be if there is incriminating information
    …' That's true, but it's also true that as of right now she's missing. Meaning as of right now, they want to find her, so you would think that the kind of advice that someone gives is a little bit different. So again, the lawyer's advice will totally depend on what information that lawyer has."

    And this

    George Stephanopoulos asked, "Do you think the lawyer knows?"

    "I think the lawyer has a sense," Abrams said. "I think lawyers at the very least have a sense and sometimes they know."
     
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  6. ilovewings

    ilovewings Well-Known Member

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    Agree with everything you said.
     
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  7. Mike in WNY

    Mike in WNY Well-Known Member

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    Ditto. It's a fascinating lifestyle... but far, far, far from appropriate for most. Petito & Laundrie were not cut from that cloth, IMO. And they were far from prepared for an extended travel event. From what I can tell they had just a single small (300W?) Jackery. No solar. I'd term them more 'car campers' than 'van lifers'. When the so-called van life situation became overwhelming, they really should have cut it short and regrouped. And, yeah, a white converted Transit (or sprinter or promaster) with a ladder/roofrack is far from something unique... espicially in BLM territory.
     
  8. Theswt1

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    • Did anyone ever consider BL didn’t drive back alone?
      Did any of BL family taken a trip to Utah in end of august?
     
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  10. Skigirl

    Skigirl Verified expert in neuroscience

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    It is very very very very very very very strange to appear at your parents' house, without your fiancee, more than a month before you were scheduled to appear, and not have them wonder where she is or ask questions. They knew a full 10 days before her mother did that the two had split up or parted ways (presumably that was what he told them), and that Gabby was out there, somewhere. Unless he flat out told them something incriminating, presumably, they heard some sort of explanation from him, saying that they broke up and she was staying with a friend, or they broke up and she was returning separately (or something). There is no way that they didn't ask where she was.

    I'm speculating, but knowing how most people behave, I just think that her mother must have first tried Brian's phone to see if she could reach her daughter, in case her daughter's phone wasn't working. Getting no answer, it seems like there is no way that her mother didn't call his parents to ask about the two, as in, "I haven't heard from them in ten days, have you? I'm starting to get a little worried."

    By the time her mother called (I speculate that she called) his parents, he would already have been home. They probably didn't know yet that her mother was totally in the dark about the split. Unless he told them he was in trouble... don't you think they would have taken the call and acted surprised that her mother had no idea where she was? And then at least told her the story that he told them? I am just grasping to try to understand why they didn't tell her something, even just passing on some story that they heard from their son.

    So when her mother called, presumably before she suspected anything, inquiring about whether they had heard from "the kids," you would think they would have said, "Brian came home early, he said that Gabby had decided to stay with her friend in xyz, you haven't heard from her???" Since they didn't do that, it just seems like Brian told them something that made them want to protect him, and they had already decided to stonewall by the time her parents came a-calling. That, or they were shocked to get a voicemail suggesting that Gabby hadn't been heard from, and before calling her back decided to ask their son. Hearing some sort of nonsense from him, or maybe even a confession, they decided at that point that he needed to be protected.

    A bunch of rambling thoughts, but I guess I can sum them up by saying,
    a) It seems like her parents must have called him
    b) It seems like her parents must have called his parents
    c) It seems like her parents calling probably tipped them off that things weren't adding up
    d) It seems like at some point they determined that their son was in big, big trouble, which is why they never ever cooperated with her parents.
     
  11. I wonder

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    They don't, but in the absence of any help from Brian, it's at least something. It's definitely worth checking out.
     
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  12. imstilla.grandma

    imstilla.grandma Believer of Miracles

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    penguinface Well-Known Member

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    One thing I don’t really get is why police don’t search the home, not for a potential crime but just as a basic first step in a missing person case, to make sure she’s not dead, hiding or injured inside her home - why take the Laundrie family’s word? In fact, it’s not even the family’s word, as they refuse to say whether she is there or not.

    I clearly don’t think she’s there, but when the last vehicle someone was seen traveling in - a vehicle that they own, no less - ends up at the house where they live, and the other people living there refuse to say if she is on the property or not, I can’t see why it’s a case of needing a warrant. It’s a basic check on her whereabouts and welfare.
     
  14. Dtronic2

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    Not really. Police are called for all sorts of mundane things. Lost pet, ran out of gas etc. Plus you do not want to go over and intervene in a DV situation.
     
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    Forgive me if I've missed it, but can we can a definitive timeline?
     
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    I have a friend (couple) that is doing this and they are cruising around in a decked out $200K sprinter with no financial worries. He says it can still be a bit rough, at times.
     
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  18. Cloudydiamond

    Cloudydiamond Awaiting Justice for Jennifer

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    To those that are unaware of the term "Reactive Abuse", cited from the website www.breakthesilencedv.org. below.

    I think all law enforcement, courts, attorneys, etc. need a complete overhaul with education and training on DV. Coercive control, emotional abuse, etc. Seems there are way too many cases lately that involve some sort of abuse and not enough education.

    "Reactive abuse occurs when the victim reacts to the abuse they are experiencing. The victim may scream, toss out insults, or even lash out physically at the abuser. The abuser then retaliates by telling the victim that they are, in fact, the abuser".
     
  19. chupacabra

    chupacabra Well-Known Member

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    A lawyer is going to tell his/her client not to talk to the police because that is good advice, always. Sometimes a client wants to speak, thinks they can speak without creating problems for themselves, or just thinks themselves smarter than their lawyer. I gather that BL is not particularly trusting of government/media/authorities judging by the limited postings I've seen (i.e. his bio in Insta, etc), so I can imagine he'd be disinclined to help them.

    However, there are really only 2 reasons he would say nothing: to cover for himself or to cover for her (which, in the latter case, is still him covering for himself given their relationship).
     
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    Basic welfare check still depends on access to the property. If the owner/renter denies access there needs to be some other evidence. Otherwise a warrant is needed.
     
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