Found Deceased WY - Gabrielle ‘Gabby’ Petito, 22, Grand Teton National Park, 25 Aug 2021 #84

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  1. iamnotagolem

    iamnotagolem Well-Known Member

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    I had considered his body floated away from where he killed him self, but it seems his backpack, notebook and dry bag were all nearby. So either they all floated to the same place and the gun stayed elsewhere or the gun was in the same area they found everything else.
     
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  2. Wallendo

    Wallendo Well-Known Member

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    BL's gun was most likely last located in his hand and as far as I know, the hand has not been located. Depending on his position when he shot himself, the gun could have fallen on top of his body after death or remained in his hand and been eaten by an alligator.

    More likely, the gun sank in the water and was covered by sediment during the flooding. A heavy gun could easily sink into mud over a several week period.
     
  3. MsJosie

    MsJosie Well-Known Member

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    Here is one research answer. The link has added links one can read.

    Weapon location following suicidal gunshot wounds - PubMed

    574 suicide by a gun, revolver/handgun, but not a long gun the following was determined…

    76 cases the gun location could not be decided.
    498 cases left

    24%-26.7% of the time the gun stayed in hand
    69% gun was near or on the body
    30 cm or 11.8 inches gun near body not in hand
    7% of the time the gun was found less the 30cm or 11.8 inches from body

    IMO….I don’t think the gun will ever be found. I don’t think an alligator ate it either. I do think the gun was near the body at one point but not in the hand when the body was found. I do hope authorities find some answers.



     
  4. Balthazar

    Balthazar Well-Known Member

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    Gun or not, BL's room or not, it is pointless to keep arguing about this because the fact is, BL had a gun and we now know he killed himself with a gun. What did he do with the gun, if anything, at Gabby's crime scene? I hope we find out someday.
     
  5. Balthazar

    Balthazar Well-Known Member

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    Whatever evidence the FBI collected should tell the story of what actually happened at Spread Creek. I am hoping the FBI was able to determine exactly where the disturbance began and walk through the entire story told by the crime scene, step by step. That is what I am hoping will be the outcome of the evidence and crime scene camera footage - the complete picture of what actually happened.
     
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  6. ktm44

    ktm44 Well-Known Member

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    That's likely going to depend upon what evidence the FBI has to connect BL to Gabby's murder.

    Unless the FBI operates differently, you're unlikely to see the same evidence you would in court and I would suggest they operate like the RCMP. They will likely call a press conference, disclose why they feel they have arrived at their conclusion, answer a few questions and consider it wrapped up.
     
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  7. housewife

    housewife Coercive Control is a form of Domestic Violence

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    Respectfully, I haven't seen confirmation of any bullet holes at Spread Creek. I may be mistaken. If we are referring to the spray painted and numbered holes in the trees, IMHO I believe those are likely data points the FBI marked when laser scanning the crime scene for reconstruction and analysis.
    If a bullet is lodged somewhere and needed for evidence, IMHO they would excise the material above and below the bullet hole and take the whole piece back to the lab leaving the bullet in situ (sp?)
    I do not have a source for any of this/my own speculation.
     
  8. MollyDDD

    MollyDDD The Geator with the Heater.

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    How deep is the water in that Preserve? And isn’t that an odd location to chose if you plan to kill yourself?
    Knowing that it floods, alligators are nearby, decomposition is faster in wet areas, guns sink…it’s as if he didn’t want his body to be found. Odd that his notebook made it. IMO
     
  9. BreakingNews

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    Has it ever been made public if the notebook was like a netbook, or was it a notebook like the olden days. It is hard to even imagine his intentions re being found or not. Maybe he simply didn't consider anything or anyone and just wanted to escape it all.
     
  10. ktm44

    ktm44 Well-Known Member

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    We have seen several interviews with retired FBI and LE and all have indicated the orange paint was not conventional crime scene markings but at one time, a member who was a forestry worker indicated it looked like markings they make while checking for wood boring insects.

    Google does show that Wyoming has a significant Mountain Pine Beetle problem.
     
  11. Trebor5591

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    I really don't understand your post. That was my first post in weeks, so it's not accurate to say I "keep arguing"? My post pointed out the linked news story's claim that there was a gun mounted on the wall in a photo of BL's room was wrong, because it was not a gun, it was an artpiece of some sort that resembled a gun.
     
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  12. Auntie Cipation

    Auntie Cipation Context Matters.

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    If the holes in the wood at Spread Creek were considered significant or evidence in any way, they would not IMO have been covered with spray paint -- they would have been preserved for whatever caliber/residue/etc evidence could be extracted.

    Earlier posters who seemed to know what they were talking about, said the spray paint was related to documenting the scene with "3D" technology.

    In any case, LE would not destroy or damage evidence by painting over it.

    MOO
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised. Their neighbors rented out land and assisted reporters. Nothing but constant reminders about the horror of having your son turn out to murder someone, and then kill himself.
     
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    LRinCA Well-Known Member

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  16. MollyDDD

    MollyDDD The Geator with the Heater.

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    Insects aren’t boring. :p
     
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  17. Auntie Cipation

    Auntie Cipation Context Matters.

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    BAA DUM *TSSS*
     
  18. Megnut

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    I'd like to tell you a story about insects. It comes in three parts.

    I wonder if a displaced protestor put up the "for sale" sign. As a suggestion.

    JMO
     
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    I’m note sure on the depth; especially when it flooded. If I remember correctly, I think it was reported BL’s parents indicated this was a place BL enjoyed and had been to multiple times. I don’t remember the source and could be wrong. MOO. I would think someone intent on ending their life wouldn’t think about what’s going to happen to their body afterwards. I do think they’d want to be somewhere that brought them pleasant memories and comfort as they ended their life. JMO/MOO
     
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    jjonez Well-Known Member

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    If you are one of the handful of sleuthers still working over the details of this case, this is for you. :D

    If you are over all of that, please scroll and roll. :)

    SIGHTINGS
    as reported by MSM

    @macross828
    GP+BL
    Zion National Park, UT
    Instagram video
    Publicized- 10/17 The U.S. Sun
    Brian & Gabby NEW video - Couple 'seen holding hands' weeks before murder

    Delicate Arch Photos
    husband, wife, and brother-in-law wish to remain anonymous
    Aug 10
    GP+BL
    Delicate Arch, Arches National Park, UT
    Publicized- 10/21 NYP
    New photos among the last of Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie together

    Jaye Foster + GF, skateboard couple
    Aug 10, for approx 40-45 mins
    GP+BL
    Delicate Arch parking lot, near Moab, UT
    Publicized- 9/13 Daily Beast…
    This ‘Van-Life’ Couple Went on a Cross-Country Trip Out West. Only He Came Back.

    LI Mom To Missing Daughter: ‘We Just Need To See You Again’

    Cops speak with TikTok ‘witness’ who claims she picked up Gabby Petito boyfriend

    Kicks 66
    Aug 21, pm
    GP + male
    SLC, UT
    Publicized- 9/15 Daily Mail
    Last text message missing 'van-life woman' Gabby Petitio sent to her mother is revealed | Daily Mail Online

    Perkin’s restaurant cashier
    around Aug 24
    GP
    Fairfield Inn lobby, SLC, UT
    Publicized- 9/15 Daily Mail
    Last text message missing 'van-life woman' Gabby Petitio sent to her mother is revealed | Daily Mail Online

    Shannon Baker + Russell Baker
    Aug 25, 5pm
    Van
    Jenny Lake parking area
    Reported- to LE no later than 9/13
    Publicized- 9/17 various outlets
    ‘We saw the Florida tag’: Spring Hill couple spotted Gabby Petito’s van at Grand Teton National Park | WFLA

    Tipster talks about spotting Gabby Petito's van in Grand Teton National Park

    Wendy Woolstenhulme
    Aug 25 or 26, afternoon, 15/20 mins
    GP+BL
    Rustic Row, Victor, ID
    Reported- to FBI after she saw GP on news
    Publicized- 9/17 EIN…
    Business owner says Gabby Petito and boyfriend made stop in Victor after visiting Wyoming - East Idaho News

    Jackson Hole-area tips may assist in search for Gabby Petito

    Sunny/Sonnie Mason
    Aug 25 or 26
    GP+BL
    Victor Emporium, Victor, ID
    Publicized- no later than 9/25
    Gabby Petito's close friend on Brian Laundrie search: "He's good with nature. So, my first thought was — he's in the woods"

    Brian 'forced Gabby to say she was his fiancé' at store 'hours before she died'

    Jessica Schultz
    Aug 26, 8pm - Aug 28
    BL with van
    Spread Creek Dispersed Camping Area, WY
    Reported- 9/16 FBI
    Publicized- SF Chronicle 9/20, TikTok, Instagram
    TikTok

    Gabby Petito case: What one witness saw near the Tetons may help FBI unravel mystery

    Hunter Mannies + friend
    Aug 26, 10/1030pm - 1150pm/1210am
    Bullwinkle’s, West Yellowstone, Montana
    Reported- 9/16 spoke with FBI 40+ mins
    Publicized- 9/27 NYP…
    Tourist claims he saw 'mad' Brian Laundrie alone in bar

    Man believes he talked to Brian Laundrie days before Gabby Petito's disappearance: 'It was an odd encounter'

    Mansfield man describes his encounter with Brian Laundrie

    Did Louisiana Man Meet Gabby Petito's Fiance Before Her Death

    Nina Celie Angelo + Matt England
    Aug 27, 1/2pm
    GP+BL
    Merry Piglets, Jackson Hole, WY
    Reported- by ME to FBI 9/22
    Publicized- NA posted to Instagram after release of body cam footage…
    https://www.fox13now.com/news/local...restaurant-hours-before-gabby-petito-vanished

    Gabby Petito Cried as Brian Laundrie Argued With Restaurant Staff: New Witnesses

    Brian Laundrie argued in Wyoming restaurant hours before Gabby Petito vanished: eyewitnesses

    Includes full abc7 video 9/23 (I can never get abc7 video links to play)
    Instagrammer details explosive argument between Petito, Laundrie

    Merry Piglets, restaurant
    Aug 27, 1/2pm
    GP+BL
    Merry Piglets, Jackson, WY
    Reported- to FBI 9/22
    Publicized- 9/22 reluctantly…DM screenshot released by second party, confirmed presence of GP+BL and notification of FBI with Instagram and FB posts after
    Influencer saw 'huge blowout' between Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie at Wyoming restaurant | Daily Mail Online

    Instagrammer details sitting next to Gabby Petito at restaurant during chaotic scene

    CNN.com - Transcripts

    New details emerge about Brian Laundrie's behavior in the days after his fiance went missing - CNN

    Timeline: Petito's final days

    Brian Laundrie & Gabby Petito involved in incident in Wyoming restaurant in late August

    Bethunes
    Aug 27, 6/630pm
    Van + ?
    Spread Creek Dispersed Camping Area, WY
    Reported- 9/19 1208am called FBI, 1am submitted video
    Publicized- 9/19 am, after reporting on YouTube, Instagram…



    Family travel vloggers share video they believe shows Gabby Petito and Brian Laundrie's van around time of her disappearance

    Family believes they spotted Gabby Petito's white van on trip in Grand Teton National Park

    Florida travel bloggers video places Gabby Petito’s van in camp area where authorities recovered body | WFLA

    Full interview: Woman who spotted Gabby Petito's likely van

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...abby-petito-van-wyoming-blogger-b1923783.html

    door closing
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVvbr58tX9NV8vNu7xBFwqg

    Tyler Valentine + friend, elk spotters
    Aug 29
    Spread Creek Dispersed Camping Area, WY
    Reported- 9/17
    Publicized- 9/17 reporter on the scene, Garna Mejia, KSL
    Search intensifies for Gabby Petito; police respond to Laundrie home in Florida

    Miranda Baker
    Aug 29, 530pm - 609pm
    BL
    CBV to Jackson Dam, hitchhiking
    Reported- 9/14 to NPPD, 9/15 to FBI
    Publicized- 9/17 TikTok, did not respond to multiple requests for interviews
    TikTok

    Cops speak with TikTok ‘witness’ who claims she picked up Gabby Petito boyfriend

    Woman Claims She Picked Up Brian Laundrie While He Was Hitchhiking in Wyoming in Viral TikTok Videos

    TikToker says she picked up Brian Laundrie hitchhiking in Grand Teton

    https://www.fox13now.com/news/local...-laundrie-hiking-in-grand-teton-national-park

    Woman tells GMA she picked up Laundrie as hitchhiker in Wyoming, days after last call by Petito

    Woman recalls “red flag” after giving ride to a hitchhiking Brian Laundrie

    Norma Jean Jalovec
    Aug 29, 615/620pm -640pm
    BL
    Near Pacific Creek Landing to Spread Creek Dispersed Camping Area/Moran Vista entrance gate, hitchhiking
    Reported- to FBI after seeing MB TikTok, prior to 9/23
    Publicized- 9/23 Fox…
    Brian Laundrie manhunt: Woman in Wyoming says she picked him up hitchhiking

    Woman Who Drove Hitchhiking Brian Laundrie Noticed 'Nothing Extraordinary' — Until They Got Near Van

    I am aware of many other alleged sightings. If anyone has MSM links to other sightings, please let me know. I would be pleased to add them to this reference.
     

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