Identified! WY - Gillette, WhtFem UP12120, 18-30, in gravel pit, Aug'83 - Mary Andersen

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  1. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Here's a Jane Doe case just recently added to NamUs that I've never heard about before.

    NamUs UP 12120 https://identifyus.org/en/cases/12120

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    Unidentified White Female

    The victim was discovered on August 10, 1983 in Gillette, Campbell County, Wyoming

    Body Condition: Not recognizable - Partial remains with soft tissues​

    Vital Statistics

    Estimated age: Adult - Pre-30
    Approximate Height: 5'5" (65 inches).
    Approximate Weight: 115 pounds.
    Clothing & Accessories

    Clothing: Lt. Blue Comfy brand down filled jacket, Dark blue short sleeve shirt, size Small, blue jean bell bottoms, zip fly size 29 X 33, white knee high socks, white underwire bra, size 34B, white underwear

    Footwear: Brown cowboy boots, size 9B

    Accessories: dark blue change purse, $28. and change, brown leather makeup bag​

    Identifiers
    Fingerprints: Not Available
    Dentals: Not Available
    DNA: Sample submitted - Tests complete

    Case History
    Remains of unidentified found in a gravel pit.​
     
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  3. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Mary Lynn Anderson-Shondel looks pretty good as a possible for this Jane Doe.

    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/1479/0
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/andersen_mary.html

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    • Her loc LKA (Gillette WY) matches the location that the Jane Doe was found
    • Her height (62-66 inches) is within the Jane Doe's estimated height (65 inches), and the 29 x 33 jeans would be consistent to her petite frame.
    • Her Date LKA (sometime in 1982) would be consistent with the date of discovery (August 1983 - Partial remains)
    • Her age (23) is consistent with the Jane Doe's age estimate (Adult Under 30)
    • The 34B Bra found with the remains seems to be approximately consistent with Mary's waist-up photo. And she is shown wearing blue jeans and a western style belt (consistent with the blue jeans and western boots found with the remains)

    Submitted by e-mail to Janet Franson
     
  4. killer Chaser

    killer Chaser New Member

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    It's hard to believe that they haven't checked this one out!
     
  5. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    The only thing I can think of is that she is listed in NamUs as LKA in Minnesota, so she might have been missed in a tight screen.
     
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    True she went missing some 32 years ago the Detectives handling the case probably have long since retired. It's just strange they didn't put this together mary missing 1982 and Jane Doe found 1983.
     
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    ClaireNC WS Member

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  8. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Got a reply from Janet Franson

     
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    OkieGranny New Member Staff Member Forum Coordinators

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    carbuff Well-Known Member

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    Carl nails another one. Way to go!

    And I'm glad Mary Lynn can go home now.
     
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    Salem Former Member

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    Yay! RIP Mary Lynn. So glad your loved ones have you back.

    Salem
     
  12. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Not sure yet whether I can call this a WS Match. I tried to call Janet Franson, but she didn't answer. I'll try again later.

    I'll leave this as Match! for the time being, but if she says that she was looking into it before I e-mailed her, then I'll switch it back to Identified
     
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    micheleonelonly New Member

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    Nice work, Carl. Proof positive that mutual DNA in CODIS is not a deal-breaker and is no substitute for human intellect.
     
  14. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I talked to Janet Franson. She says that someone was showing her a spreadsheet of NCIC UID cases, and she saw this case and a couple of others and realized that they weren't in NamUs. So she asked the authorities to send the bones to UNT. Once UNT started working on the case, she created the UP casefile.

    The people at UNT were talking about a probable match right after they started working on it. And although they didn't mention a name, she said she kind of knew who they were talking about. This was all going on before I submitted.

    So I can't claim this as my Match, as this was on their radar prior to my e-mail. I know Janet well enough that I don't think she would deny me credit if she thought I was responsible for the match.

    Nevertheless, I am very excited to see a solve on such an old case.
     
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    OkieGranny New Member Staff Member Forum Coordinators

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    http://www.wdaz.com/content/remains-found-31-years-ago-wyoming-identified-missing-minnesota-native-0

     
  16. OC Lady

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    Carl - help me out here...why did they not get a hit? It seems that many UIDs and MPs have DNA in some system or another, and are automatically "rejected"if the DNA in the system does not generate a hit....

    It's concerning to me as we all spend time trying to help identify UIDs and many times what appears to be an excellent possibility is "ruled out"by DNA...

    Can you help explain??
     
  17. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I think in this case, the DNA on the UID was in a state lab, and not in national CODIS. When Janet Franson became aware of the UID, they sent the remains to UNT and they re-worked the DNA profile.
     
  18. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I'm a little skeptical about the story about the Canadian researcher.

    The NamUs casefile was created a month ago. And I called Janet about it right away when the casefile was created. I doubt that the Canadian researcher had any knowledge about this case, other than it was in NamUs. If that's the case, then the people at UNT were already on to it before the Canadian researcher called the local Sheriff. It may be that this was the first time the Sheriff had heard about it.
     
  19. OC Lady

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    So when Ms. Franson stated they were both in CODIS, that was not correct? Good thing she followed up to be sure....do you think this happens very often?
     
  20. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    I think she is saying that her original assumption (about both sides being in CODIS) was not correct, and she found that out after she inquired.

    I would guess that this happens more often than we are led to believe.
     
  21. OkieGranny

    OkieGranny New Member Staff Member Forum Coordinators

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    http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_26123688/minnesota-woman-coming-home-30-years-after-killing

     

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