Zimmerman Real Time Trial Thread Only 06/25/2013

Discussion in 'George Zimmerman Trial/Trayvon Martin' started by Tricia, Jun 24, 2013.

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  1. Tricia

    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator

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    Dear Webseuths Members,

    We know many of you want to discuss the facts of the case and as long as the discussion is civil you may discuss the case in general in this link below:

    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213157"]George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin General discussion - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]


    This thread is for REAL TIME COURTROOM updates.

    If those of you watching could please update this thread as much as possible it will be greatly appreciated by those unable to watch the trial while at work.

    Thank you for your patience and understanding.

    Tricia
     
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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 15m
    Attorneys presumably about to argue on series of non emergency calls the defense objected to admission of late on Day 1.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 16m
    We are in session on Day 2 at #zimmermantrial. Attorneys are talking with judge at sidebar. #TrayvonMartinCase

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1h
    Day 2 preview: Prosecutors want to admit calls in #Zimmerman trial (from @AP) #trayvonmartin http://apne.ws/17ana9V
     
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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 5m
    Mantei also says calls show #zimmerman state of mind, which is allowed by evidence admission rules.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 6m
    #zimmerman told operator the same thing the night of #trayvonmartin shooting.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 6m
    Mantei says calls show history of #zimmerman referencing on past calls to police that suspicious people got away.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 8m
    Prosecutor Mantei says the calls have already been admitted and case law says you can't go back after both sides agreed to admit.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 9m
    O'Mara says state should show calls relevance.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 11m
    First sidebar of the day is over. Attys about to argue.
     
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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    O'Mara argues that calls are previous activities and not admissible as prior bad acts, barred by evidence rules.

    [citing examples in law]

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 10s
    Mantei also says its relevant that #zimmerman was familiar with protocols to not following suspicious people b/c of past police calls

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 4m
    Mantei: "What is the impact of these prior events on the defendant?"

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 6m
    Mantei also says calls go toward proving #Zimmerman motive and state of mind.
     
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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    O'Mara says #Zimmerman character is at issue, which is not admissible by rules.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    O'Mara asks judge not allow them in at least "until they show some connectivity." Says state is asking the jury "to make a quantum leap."

    [O'Mara says it's apparent the state has no physical evidence and needs these calls for their case of circumstantial evidence. And they are prior bad acts and should not be used.]

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 49s
    O'Mara says none of the calls show "ill will or spite" which are elements necessary for 2nd degree murder conviction.
     
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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Judge says she has to sort out "apples and oranges" arguments by both sides. Asks for O'Mara to give case law

    Yamiche Alcindor Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 4m
    Judge Nelson asks whether the defense opened the door when asking dispatcher about Zimmerman's behavior.

    [Judges says his argument is apples to oranges]

    [OM says these calls shows 'good acts' and do not support the state's case]

    [Judge says defense brought character in issue by saying in opening statement that he showed no hostility in his call that night]
     
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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Mantei says defense has not shown unfair prejudice.

    [Mantei says not offered to prove character but how his reactions that night were different]

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Mantei rebuts that defense is switching argument from relevance objection Mon. to state of mind today. Calls it "bait and switch".

    [Mantei says OM argued other law but not relevance but for state of mind; state is showing how GZ behaved and reacted before in calls; he knows the correct procedure and did not use it that night]

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 44s
    O'Mara: "It's not relevant because the state says it is."

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    O'Mara says state wants calls in to argue state of mind for guilt.
     
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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    The calls are playing now in courtroom.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Judge says she wants to listen to the six calls the state wants to admit.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Mantei: "it's relevant to many issues, not the least if which is the defendants state of mind."
     
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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    In addition to listening to calls judge says she also wants to review case law the attorneys have submitted to back up arguments.
     
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    Tricia Owner Websleuths.com Staff Member Administrator

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    Thank You Reader. You are the best!!!!
     
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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Will bring in jury to begin for the day after short recess.

    On 15 min. recess.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 34s
    Judge says she will review the case law and make her decision later re: the calls admissibility. Says she wants to proceed w/ testimony.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Note: In each one of the calls that are being played for judge now #zimmermsn references neighborhood watch.

    [GZ says in one call he does not want to 'approach him personally']
     
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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Prosecutor is done. No cross by defense. She may be recalled if judge decides to allow past police calls to be admitted.

    Rene Stutzman ‏@renestutzman 3m
    Jurors are listening, taking notes intently. #Trayvon, #Zimmerman
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower
    from Sanford, FL

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Prosecution going thru log of series of 911 calls placed by neighbors the night of shooting w/ Rumph.

    In another sidebar. Witness is released, subject to recall.

    [state asking about time calls came in/911 calls from witnesses]

    Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 2m
    State to introduce 911 calls from the night of the shooting. Several neighbors called, one before gunshot. #GeorgeZimmerman #TrayvonMartin
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    [Judge asks jury about discussing case, looking on internet, etc. No hands are raised.]

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 38s
    Back in session. State recalls Ramona Rumph, who logs and maintains calls to Seminole co. Sheriff's Office. Jury is back.
     
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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Dorvial says #zimmerman told her at meeting he was asked by the home owners association to be their neighborhood watch coordinator

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    She says she tells NW people "don't do that" when it comes to following suspicious people. Says confronting is "police's job."

    [she identifies GZ as someone she trained in NW at Retreat community. she provided written materials and powerpoint presentation. GZ was coordinator of NW. Did she give him additional material? yes. Because he had responsibility for coordinating NW.]

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Dorival tells prosecutor John Guy that NW coordinators are "eyes and ears for law enforcement."

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Next witness is Wendy Dorival. A volunteer coordinator with the Sanford Police that helped coordinate programs include neighborhood watch

    LE called who worked with neighborhood watch programs. How they are trained, what are instructions, are they written, yes....what do you tell them about following or confronting someone? not to do it.
     
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    West will do cross.

    First contact with GZ he emailed her about starting NW due to break ins and other problems in area.

    Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 2m
    John Guy is now showing a PowerPoint Doribal made to #Zimmerman that says neighborhood watch is not about being vigilantes.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    She discussed who they were to call and had officer present to assist in training.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Dorival says she told #Zimmerman and others at NW meeting "they're not supposed to take matters into their own hands."

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Dorival says meeting she spoke to #Zimmerman at and gave him NW coordinator handbook was in August 2011. Also gave him PowerPoint.

    Asking her if all material was provided to GZ, yes. Did she ever tell him it was OK to follow or confront someone, no.
     
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    GGE GGE=GonnaGetEm

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    Oh I'm glad to find this thread! I like to transcribe what I'm watching and I'm watching HLN so I'll go ahead and try to update this thread periodically too.

    Apologies in advance if I repeat anything that's already been said - sometimes I get so caught up in typing and submitting that I don't get time to read everything that has been posted in the meantime during each commercial break.
     
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    She gave common sense suggestions, close garage doors, lock doors, etc. as part of presentation in that meeting.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 2m
    Dorvial says a concern neighbors had was outside people accessing the condo complex because of lack of perimeter fencing.

    Yamiche Alcindor ‏@Yamiche 4m
    Dorival says neighborhood watch is about getting neighbors to talk to each other.
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    She gave GZ flyers to get people to come to meeting. about 25 came out of over 100 residents. They were concerned about burglaries and she verified this. was a real concern. They had concerns about no fence and people coming through gate and inadequate lighting and patio doors. She made recommendations to HOA.

    Jeff Weiner ‏@JeffWeinerOS 2m
    Dorival says she coordinated NW for several years before a recent job change. Done many times. #GeorgeZimmerman #TrayvonMartin
    Retweeted by Kyle Hightower

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 4m
    Don West is up to make cross examination of Dorvial.
     
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    GGE GGE=GonnaGetEm

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    on the stand - Ramona Rumph - records custodian, seminole c. sheriff's office -

    discussing connection time, duration, etc of GZ's call (s) - (earlier they met and argued over whether his numerous previous 911 calls about suspicious people in the neighborhood should be allowed in, not sure if they decided to allow all of them but they did play them all outside of the jury's hearing so defense could hear them, and there were several) - giving the records number, and other technical records-related details.

    state's exhibit 170 - sorry, 162? Yes, 162 - (more 911 records) ... (commercial)

    (note - HLN pauses the live coverage for commercials then restarts it - rather than breaking away and rejoining - so each commercial pushes the "live" coverage back by several minutes. at this point I may already be transcribing "live" events several minutes behind others who have other sources, but I can't help it, it's how HLN is doing it.)
     
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    GGE GGE=GonnaGetEm

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    next witness - Wendy Dorival - been employed with sanford pd a bit over 5 years, current position - accreditation manager - job is to ensure they meet the standard for accreditation every 3 years. Prior to this she was a volunteer program coordinator, job was to recruit and train officers on patrol, also worked with the neighborhood watch program volunteers, coordinating, giving info, etc.

    Talking about what Neighborhood watch programs are, and the positions within the program, and so on.
     
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    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 1m
    Dorival also says she doesn't discuss with neighbors if they are allowed to carry guns.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 3m
    Dorival says she doesn't give lessons on laws at neighborhood watch presentations.

    Tells them to call non-emergency #, if see somebody if don't recognize. Encourages residents to get to know community and who people are.

    No red flags raised about GZ's attitude. She is not LE, a civilian representative of LE. Doesn't discuss law with NW. Only statute they go over is about burglary.
    Tell not to engage suspect but don't tell them not to follow or not to defend yourself if attacked. She does not discuss guns or whether they are allowed to carry guns.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 32s
    Dorival says that #zimmerman said he was a criminal justice major. Says he declined to participate in citizens on patrol program.

    Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 55s
    Been spelling her name wrong. Witness is Wendy Dorival.

    Kyle Hightower Kyle Hightower ‏@khightower 4m
    Judge sustains prosecution hearsay objection of question related to what Dorvial heard from neighbors re: past burglaries.

    NW coordinator is contact with LE, will call about problems and concerns. Residents were directed to call him first, not her.
     
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