Coronavirus COVID-19 - Global Health Pandemic #95

[SouthAussie]

One dose only gives you about 30% protection though and Canadas' 'fully vaccinated' rate is very low compared to the US and the UK.

It's like the Hunger Games in my area.

I think one dose offers quite a bit more protection than 30%, doesn't it? There is conflicting info out there, but the lowest estimate seems to be 52% protection after one dose.
Agree that everyone certainly needs two doses for maximum protection. I really happily got my 2nd dose yesterday.


According to Pfizer data published in December 2020, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is roughly 52% effective after the first dose.
How effective is a single vaccine dose against Covid-19?

Pfizer and Moderna’s vaccines are likely 80% effective against symptomatic COVID-19 after one dose.
A single AstraZeneca shot is probably at least 70% effective at preventing symptomatic COVID-19.
How much protection you get from one shot of the Pfizer, AstraZeneca, and Moderna vaccines, according to the best available data

 

[JDG]

I think one dose offers quite a bit more protection than 30%, doesn't it? There is conflicting info out there, but the lowest estimate seems to be 52% protection after one dose.
Agree that everyone certainly needs two doses for maximum protection. I really happily got my 2nd dose yesterday.


According to Pfizer data published in December 2020, the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine is roughly 52% effective after the first dose.
How effective is a single vaccine dose against Covid-19?

Pfizer and Moderna’s vaccines are likely 80% effective against symptomatic COVID-19 after one dose.
A single AstraZeneca shot is probably at least 70% effective at preventing symptomatic COVID-19.
How much protection you get from one shot of the Pfizer, AstraZeneca, and Moderna vaccines, according to the best available data

Yep, the 33% is against the Delta variant with one shot of vaccine.

That is the variant that is ravaging India and Britain at the moment.

It is also across Canada causing a race against the clock for second doses.

Its been in our papers a lot, as most Canadians only have a single dose and many do not have THAT yet.

 

[LadyL]

One dose only gives you about 30% protection though and Canadas' 'fully vaccinated' rate is very low compared to the US and the UK.

It's like the Hunger Games in my area.

yeah but that's amping up right now - lots of people are/will be eligible to get their 2nd shots earlier than anticipated

 

[JDG]

yeah but that's amping up right now - lots of people are/will be eligible to get their 2nd shots earlier than anticipated

As of today, approx. 10% of Canadians have had 2nd doses.

I dont think we can speak of the future in these circumstances eps. when we are relying on others to provide us with vaccines.

Hopefully, soon we will take a World View of this calamity and get 'everyone' vaccinated.

 

[SoCalDavidS]

it's mind boggling that she did not nor wants to be vaccinated! Reason being that she is afraid of the vaccine. So Covid doesn't scare her?

Understandable given all the cases in the news the past few months, of thousands dying suddenly after taking the vaccine.

Oh, sorry......those are people dropping dead of Covid-19.

 

[margarita25]

June 10th 2021 Osterholm Update:

CIDRAP
Episode 58: A Year at Sea

‎The Osterholm Update: COVID-19: Episode 58: A Year at Sea on Apple Podcasts

“In this episode, Dr. Osterholm and host Chris Dall discuss the international spread of COVID, the spread of the newest variant of concern, the ongoing virus origin controversy, the debate about immune passports, and a new segment on practical advice for listeners.”

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Note: Dr. O and CIDRAP staff have now moved to a biweekly podcast format, but they have made it very clear that if the need arises they will broadcast additionally if necessary.

Also, Dr. O does quite an extensive piece on the Wuhan Lab Leak theory, based on his extensive experience in Bio Security, Bio Lab Safety, etc. It is too much to paraphrase atm but worth a listen, imo. It has been interesting to learn how often lab leaks have actually happened. Dr. O cites some examples and mentions one incident where....Now, this is NOT to say zoonotic spillover is not the origin, because that is still very much on the table. Anyway, take a listen if you can. I really look forward to his podcasts.

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(Also, FYI:
Email us your questions: [email protected])

 

[HongKongPhooey]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/vaccinations

According to this, UK has 78% with the first vaccine (which will be Zeneca in the vast majority) and almost 50% now with their second. How that looks is that my age range, early 50s, are fully vaccinated at this point (if taken up, obvs).

Covid: When will I get the vaccine?

In England, over 25s now have access to booking their first one but theirs won't be Zeneca, so if I'm understanding correctly they won't have the same higher level of protection from jab #1 as us oldies who had the Zeneca.

I personally only know of one person who is refusing the vaccine.

 

[SouthAussie]

VERY disappointing ......

G7 leaders have rejected pleas to find billions of pounds to end Covid jab shortages in poor countries, despite Boris Johnson making a plan to “vaccinate the world” his aim for the Cornwall summit.

Mr Brown said the gathering had “failed the first test”, with a thin plan that amounted to “passing round the begging bowl” rather than a solution to meet the vast scale of the crisis.

G7 rejects pleas to fund Covid jabs for poor countries, despite Boris Johnson’s ‘vaccinate the world’ vow

 

[GRT]

VERY disappointing ......

G7 leaders have rejected pleas to find billions of pounds to end Covid jab shortages in poor countries, despite Boris Johnson making a plan to “vaccinate the world” his aim for the Cornwall summit.

Mr Brown said the gathering had “failed the first test”, with a thin plan that amounted to “passing round the begging bowl” rather than a solution to meet the vast scale of the crisis.

G7 rejects pleas to fund Covid jabs for poor countries, despite Boris Johnson’s ‘vaccinate the world’ vow

That is disappointing.

I don't think they understand that by allowing the virus to spread like wildfire in those nations, there's a better chance of it mutating into a variant that's even more dangerous. That puts all nations at risk--not just poor nations.

It's not okay to let people die just because they don't come from a wealthy nation. I get it that all nations need to try and protect their own, but this (JMOO) could backfire badly.

 

[ilovewings]

Michigan reaches 60% milestone for COVID vaccine coverage

I cross posted this in Michigan coronavirus and on this thread. Michigan reaches 60% milestone for Covid vaccine coverage. I am thinking that if you count those who were infected but recovered we should easily have reached 70% towards herd immunity.

What do you think?

 

[10ofRods]

Michigan reaches 60% milestone for COVID vaccine coverage

I cross posted this in Michigan coronavirus and on this thread. Michigan reaches 60% milestone for Covid vaccine coverage. I am thinking that if you count those who were infected but recovered we should easily have reached 70% towards herd immunity.

What do you think?

I think you're about right - although some part of the previously infected will also have vaccines. So let's say 65%.

And it really shows in Michigan's weekly stats!

 

[10ofRods]

Just popping in to say that there's increasing evidence that COVID causes lasting heart damage in young people

Healthy Young Adults Who Had COVID-19 May Experience Long-Term Impact on Blood Vessels and Heart Health

And. the bad news is that for 16-24 year olds, the vaccine is also causing heart inflammation (not as serious as that with COVID, but still).

Basically, COVID causes arterial damage throughout the body, even in many asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic young people.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/10/cov...s-higher-than-expected-after-second-shot.html

 

[LadyL]

As of today, approx. 10% of Canadians have had 2nd doses.

I dont think we can speak of the future in these circumstances eps. when we are relying on others to provide us with vaccines.

Hopefully, soon we will take a World View of this calamity and get 'everyone' vaccinated.

I think we can. Some of those people are already booking their second shots earlier than expected.

 

[LadyL]

Concerns grow over risk of rare heart condition from COVID-19 vaccine in young men

 

[JDG]

I think we can. Some of those people are already booking their second shots earlier than expected.

When we are reliant on others to deliver vaccine to us, we never know if it will arrive on time.

Yes, you can make an appointment but I know three people, one a physician who have been cancelled multiple times in the Toronto area.

Even one of the talking heads on the tv has stated that just because you qualify does not mean you'll get a vaccine. Dr. Bogoch from UHN has been very clear about that.....due to supply interruptions.

For those who get theirs quickly, they're very lucky.

The professionals running the clinics are doing their very best but if they have no vaccine, no one gets a shot.

I hope it greatly improves in the near future.

 

[momrids6]

Concerns grow over risk of rare heart condition from COVID-19 vaccine in young men

One of my sons had to get a vaccine for work or an exemption. He has a rare metabolic disorder, so called the specialists who told us earlier "no vaccine". Recommended the 1 dose J & J. Son got it- his choice; Dr was OK either way and would have written an exemption if that was his choice. Got the shot early AM and worked outside all that day- felt fine. Next day had the chills, the runs, and was tired. That's it. Was very hydrated with Gatorade 0 before and after.

* J&J shot doesn't have the side effect is why I quoted Lady L

 

[LadyL]

When we are reliant on others to deliver vaccine to us, we never know if it will arrive on time.

Yes, you can make an appointment but I know three people, one a physician who have been cancelled multiple times in the Toronto area.

Even one of the talking heads on the tv has stated that just because you qualify does not mean you'll get a vaccine. Dr. Bogoch from UHN has been very clear about that.....due to supply interruptions.

For those who get theirs quickly, they're very lucky.

The professionals running the clinics are doing their very best but if they have no vaccine, no one gets a shot.

I hope it greatly improves in the near future.

oh wow I haven't experienced that here ... no cancellations for anyone in my family that I know of
so those people you know had their first or second app't cancelled?

 

[JDG]

oh wow I haven't experienced that here ... no cancellations for anyone in my family that I know of
so those people you know had their first or second app't cancelled?

Both, it just seems to be a matter of luck.

One was cancelled the night before, then his second was cancelled an hour before by email.

Even a major trauma centre, who is running clinics has had to cancelled due to supply issues.

Really messes them up when they're already booked and no vaccine comes.

 

[SouthAussie]

Both, it just seems to be a matter of luck.

One was cancelled the night before, then his second was cancelled an hour before by email.

Even a major trauma centre, who is running clinics has had to cancelled due to supply issues.

Really messes them up when they're already booked and no vaccine comes.

That's the issue that will be had when it was decided to give everyone possible a first shot and not retain vaccines for the 2nd shot.

Part of the reason our rollout is going so slowly (besides not being able to get enough Pfizer) is because the govt is retaining enough 2nd shots for those who have had their first shot.
That allowed me to have my 2nd shot yesterday.

It is a choice each country must make. For Canada it might have made sense to get as many people vaccinated as possible - with one shot - as the cases were spiking badly at the time. For us, we have a little more latitude at the moment, in that regard.

The UK had the same approach as Canada - only they are more fortunate in that they are rolling out their home-produced Astra Zeneca quickly, for the 2nd shots.

 

[JDG]

^^ very true.

We (Canadians) are now paying for it by racing to get second shots into people before the Delta variant takes over for a fourth wave.

IMO, they should have held back enough for second shots.

This idea of waiting extra months, was nonsense.

Political decisions, not scientific ones.

Who knows how it will affect efficacy etc.??

Also, many people never go back for the second shot of ANY vaccine.

They forget, become complacent or no longer have it on their minds.

Yes, in a strange way, you are very lucky because you are somewhat isolated and can take the time to wait.