Recovered/Located NV - Ronnie (found deceased) & Beverly Barker (taken for med care), RV trip, Stagecoach, 27 Mar 2022

  • #481
That vast & remote landscape is unforgiving.

There has to be more to this story than just getting lost.

Why did they need to travel at night? Did some plans change that caused them to be in a hurry? What was their last contact with family? Was there a medical emergency? Where is the Kia?

I understand it is early in the mourning and recovery stages for the Barkers & their friends and family, but answers are needed.

I'm sure many of you have questions, too. Officials in all the counties involved need to hold a press conference or issue a report at some point.

We need to know if this was preventable & make any changes that would help travelers in the West weigh risks better.

I love to explore remote areas myself & almost ran out of gas in a rural area of Eastern Colorado once while traveling alone. Fortunately, I found a Good Samaritan in a small town.

A trip into the desert requires more knowledge and preparation. First timers in the West are very vulnerable & even the experienced can run into trouble.

JMHO
I know, it's usually only after you survive a situation that you realize the danger you were in.

IMO, when it comes to the wilderness, we live and learn...but unfortunately some don't survive to learn from their experience. That's not anyone's fault, it's what makes it 'wilderness'. You're no longer in that safety net of civilization. But, for all that, Beverly survived and was found, thanks to SAR volunteers and modern technology.

JMO
 
  • #482
A silver alert was issued in Nevada, Monday. Peters is frustrated with the amount of time it took for searches to begin. The family first contacted authorities on March 29, according to Peters.

“That area they were found - there was a lot of people up there, but there could have been a lot more [including] ATV clubs, drone groups that wanted to fly drones,” Peters said. “I’ve got a long list of grievances with how Nevada handles missing persons.”

Family: Missing Indiana couple located in Nevada desert; man found dead
600,000 people a year are reported missing in the U.S. There is an equal danger of highway alerts being ignored if they become commonplace, ie, people will simply stop noticing and responding to them. This is a sad outcome to be sure, but Nevada is a huge state, sparsely populated, it is the most mountainous state in the U.S., with thousands of canyons, dirt roads, open pit mines, etc. Equally important is educating the traveling public of the pitfalls of traveling off main routes, the reliance on technology, the belief that connectivity and resources can remedy any situation you find yourself in. The Canadian couple Cretien from BC that took a wrong turn in Nevada is similar.... she was found 7 weeks later, alive, in the vehicle... his remains found 1.5 years later. Foster crashed his plane, yet it took years to find the crash site; I'm not trying to be insensitive, but the point is in our "connected" society, it's easy to believe you will never be far from help, or beyond the reach of help. West of the Rockies is a different beast. I live here, and I don't leave pavement unless I know exactly where it goes or someone knows my detailed plans of my route. And I always have a satellite transponder with me, but even with that, I know if I become incapacitated for any reason I won't be able to press the buttons. Best advice: make your plans known; don't deviate from them; don't go into unfamiliar areas.
 
  • #483
The Esmeralda County Sheriff posted a statement to Facebook early this afternoon. Here is some of the timeline they shared:

"The motorhome was located in the remote mountain area of Esmeralda County near Silver Peak, Nevada shortly after 1130 am. Due to the remote area where the motorhome was located it took several hours for these teams to reach it.

"Once the teams arrived at the motorhome, they discovered the Kia SUV was not there and the motorhome appeared to be stuck. After a search of the motorhome, it was determined foul play was not involved. Mineral County Search and Rescue teams were able to locate and follow the tire tracks from the KIA.

"Approximately 2 miles away at 1600 hours the Kia was located along with Ronnie and Beverly Barker. It was determined that Ronnie had passed away. Beverly was alive and in good spirits considering what took place."

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  • #484
Husband dies and wife is hospitalized after they vanished during RV trip | Daily Mail Online

(photos and maps at the link above)

"The body of Ron Barker, 72, and his injured wife Beverly Barker, 69, were found on Tuesday evening west of an RV camping ground in Silver Peak - located about 210 miles northwest of Las Vegas, said their nephew Travis Peters.

Beverly was airlifted to a hospital in Reno for treatment and was 'doing OK, according to Peters.

The nephew wrote late Tuesday night, hours after the rescue, that Ron and Beverly's daughters received a text message from one of their parents' phones which read: 'Help.'

'That text message was trying to send out and I can only assume that as Bev was airlifted to the hospital, or perhaps their belongings were brought down the mountain that message finally came through..... but now we know it arrived too late,' the nephew wrote."
 
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Is the KIA still missing?
No. They had driven it two miles away from the RV and it was stuck in mud, too. They were with the Kia.
 
  • #487
600,000 people a year are reported missing in the U.S. There is an equal danger of highway alerts being ignored if they become commonplace, ie, people will simply stop noticing and responding to them. This is a sad outcome to be sure, but Nevada is a huge state, sparsely populated, it is the most mountainous state in the U.S., with thousands of canyons, dirt roads, open pit mines, etc. Equally important is educating the traveling public of the pitfalls of traveling off main routes, the reliance on technology, the belief that connectivity and resources can remedy any situation you find yourself in. The Canadian couple Cretien from BC that took a wrong turn in Nevada is similar.... she was found 7 weeks later, alive, in the vehicle... his remains found 1.5 years later. Foster crashed his plane, yet it took years to find the crash site; I'm not trying to be insensitive, but the point is in our "connected" society, it's easy to believe you will never be far from help, or beyond the reach of help. West of the Rockies is a different beast. I live here, and I don't leave pavement unless I know exactly where it goes or someone knows my detailed plans of my route. And I always have a satellite transponder with me, but even with that, I know if I become incapacitated for any reason I won't be able to press the buttons. Best advice: make your plans known; don't deviate from them; don't go into unfamiliar areas.
I think there's been speculation, in this case, that a big contributor to the situation was the difficulty, or perhaps impossibility of turning the rig and tow car around and going back. Not even possible to go in reverse. So kept going, thinking to find a turn-around spot.

I've no doubt every decision seemed perfectly reasonable to them at the time...
JMO
 
  • #488
I think there's been speculation, in this case, that a big contributor to the situation was the difficulty, or perhaps impossibility of turning the rig and tow car around and going back. Not even possible to go in reverse. So kept going, thinking to find a turn-around spot.

I've no doubt every decision seemed perfectly reasonable to them at the time...
JMO
RSBM
I've no doubt every decision seemed perfectly reasonable to them at the time...

I have empathy for their decisions leading to such a terrible outcome. But I don't think deciding to travel off the main highways - for any reason (GPS or whatever) can be viewed as anything but a gross error in judgment. I find it shocking.

I am seeing a lot of criticism on Facebook of the various LE agencies because the search took more time than some deem reasonable. But LE did the best they could with the info they had considering how remote the Barkers were located.

I have empathy for them, but the Barkers are responsible for the entire dilemma created. We can feel terrible for them while still acknowledging serious, avoidable errors were made.

I look forward to hearing how what started as a vacation turned into a nightmare.

JMHO
 
  • #489
Husband dies and wife is hospitalized after they vanished during RV trip | Daily Mail Online

(photos and maps at the link above)

"The body of Ron Barker, 72, and his injured wife Beverly Barker, 69, were found on Tuesday evening west of an RV camping ground in Silver Peak - located about 210 miles northwest of Las Vegas, said their nephew Travis Peters.

Beverly was airlifted to a hospital in Reno for treatment and was 'doing OK, according to Peters.

The nephew wrote late Tuesday night, hours after the rescue, that Ron and Beverly's daughters received a text message from one of their parents' phones which read: 'Help.'

'That text message was trying to send out and I can only assume that as Bev was airlifted to the hospital, or perhaps their belongings were brought down the mountain that message finally came through..... but now we know it arrived too late,' the nephew wrote."
So many things about this case are sorrowful. Ending up way out there for whatever reason, both RV stuck and then the Kia stuck attempting to find their way out, broken text messages due to lack of service, late start in searching.... Cards seem so stacked against them every step. Thank goodness Bev survived.
 
  • #490
Nevada official: Missing Indiana couple found after man dies


apparently they were found in the snow and tree line.

From your link….. it’s really unfortunate that they couldn’t simply backtrack their route to safety with the KIA but maybe the RV had already passed through some muddy areas leaving significant ruts prior to getting stuck.


Ferguson said the volunteer searchers found the couple and their car in forested mountains about 2 miles (3 kilometers) from the RV and it wasn’t clear why or how the Bakers ended up where they did.

“It was just one bad decision after another,” Ferguson told The Associated Press. “I’m not sure what took them off course. They got the motor home stuck and then unfortunately they got the car stuck.”

Ferguson said the couple had video that indicated they were in the Silver Peak area since March 27, but he said he didn’t have information on when Ronnie Barker died or the cause of his death.

Beverly Barker melted snow for water and the car provided shelter from temperatures that dipped into the 30s (1.1 below zero C) at night, he said. “She would get out and go for little walks.”…..”
 
  • #491
PLBs work in areas without cell service, I highly recommend them for everyone.

I do RV so I just purchased one. I was not aware they even existed.
 
  • #492
I wonder if Ronnie had a medical event & they took off in the Kia, searching for a signal or any medical help but got lost. Either way, I feel so bad for Beverly & their family. Sometimes people panic in situations & stuff gets scary. I can't fault them for getting lost if there was an emergency. Even if there wasn't an emergency, there may have been bad signage or a new road that wasn't on their map. There's a lot of possibilities & not yet enough info on what happened. I wish Beverly & their family peace.
 
  • #493
From your link….. it’s really unfortunate that they couldn’t simply backtrack their route to safety with the KIA but maybe the RV had already passed through some muddy areas leaving significant ruts prior to getting stuck.


Ferguson said the volunteer searchers found the couple and their car in forested mountains about 2 miles (3 kilometers) from the RV and it wasn’t clear why or how the Bakers ended up where they did.

“It was just one bad decision after another,” Ferguson told The Associated Press. “I’m not sure what took them off course. They got the motor home stuck and then unfortunately they got the car stuck.”

Ferguson said the couple had video that indicated they were in the Silver Peak area since March 27, but he said he didn’t have information on when Ronnie Barker died or the cause of his death.

Beverly Barker melted snow for water and the car provided shelter from temperatures that dipped into the 30s (1.1 below zero C) at night, he said. “She would get out and go for little walks.”…..”
She could get out of the car and go for little walks? I thought she had to use a wheelchair?
I wish both had been found alive and well.
:(
 
  • #494
She could get out of the car and go for little walks? I thought she had to use a wheelchair?
I wish both had been found alive and well.
:(
Family stated she was able to use a walker.
 
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  • #497
Hopefully, as Bev recovers we will learn more about how they came to be in that remote area. In the meantime, that doesn’t stop me from looking at maps and trying to figure it out.
If the 6:05 capture on video in Luning is correct and the 7:16 ping near Silver Peak and Nivloc is accurate, I think they decided to cut down to Silver Peak on 265 from 95 and then intended to head east on Silver Peak Rd back to 95. If one were to look at the map, it looks like a decent route and would cut off Tonopah. This is a curious decision considering the lateness of the hour, but the timeline fits.
Did they mistakenly turn right instead of left when they got to Silver Peak?

Looking at google maps, if you search for the route from Luning to Tonapah, then add in the location of the RV and the watch ping, you get something like this.
Google Maps

C - Nivloc Rd. Where the last ping was
D - 37.757753, -117.809568 - Where the RV was found
E - 37.75325, -117.82469 - Where the watch sent out the automatic message (presumably when Beverly was airlifted back into cell range)

All I can think is that it was getting late, so they looked at the map and, for whatever reason, decide to stop in Silver Peak, not realizing that it didn’t have services.
If you look at the map, it seems like it should be possible to get from Silver Peak to Dyer (where gas and an RV park are) by cutting straight through on Coyote Rd and reducing mileage off the trip… and you probably can do this, but it takes you out onto dirt roads and goat paths. It almost looks to me like they turned left too early, so rather than going around the mountain, they went up further into the hills. Then they got stuck in the mud with the RV (possibly while trying to turn around) and then became stuck again with the Kia. It’s a tragedy for friends and family, but you can kind of see how it could happen, especially in snowy or muddy conditions. When I first moved to Arizona, I was surprised by just how much snow we got. You generally don’t equate Arizona or Nevada with mud and snow.

As always, MOO
 
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  • #498
RSBM
I've no doubt every decision seemed perfectly reasonable to them at the time...

I have empathy for their decisions leading to such a terrible outcome. But I don't think deciding to travel off the main highways - for any reason (GPS or whatever) can be viewed as anything but a gross error in judgment. I find it shocking.

I am seeing a lot of criticism on Facebook of the various LE agencies because the search took more time than some deem reasonable. But LE did the best they could with the info they had considering how remote the Barkers were located.

I have empathy for them, but the Barkers are responsible for the entire dilemma created. We can feel terrible for them while still acknowledging serious, avoidable errors were made.

I look forward to hearing how what started as a vacation turned into a nightmare.

JMHO
Yes, it's a common reaction to look for a scapegoat when something 'bad' happens, and these days everyone's favorite scapegoat is government (altho they also complain about taxes and too much government interference in their lives).

But, on the other hand, there's so many advertising photos/braggy blogs and facebook posts, showing RVs out alone in the middle of the desert, to get you to think 'ooh, I want to do that! Freedom to explore the wide open spaces...'.

No one issues warnings that going off a main highway in an RV is dangerous. Gps and electronic maps will helpfully show you how to get wherever you want to go, but don't include details like old fashioned paper maps used to, showing the type of road, ie unpaved, etc. I always drive with good old paper maps, even if I'm only going to use it once while visiting a new place.

JMO
 
  • #499
  • #500
This is so
I think there's been speculation, in this case, that a big contributor to the situation was the difficulty, or perhaps impossibility of turning the rig and tow car around and going back. Not even possible to go in reverse. So kept going, thinking to find a turn-around spot.

I've no doubt every decision seemed perfectly reasonable to them at the time...
JMO

This is so true! People who don’t drive them have NO clue you can’t back up a motorhome while you are towing. As a result turning around in anything short of a parking lot, is impossible!
 

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