Found Deceased UK - Nicola Bulley Last Seen Walking Dog Near River - St Michaels on Wyre (Lancashire) #8

[flysleuthD]

I don't think it sent... I'm having real issues posting to this page. Was rreferencing to a page I found on Google about the river wyre at St michaels flood defence systems. 















Ive thought all along Nicola is submerged beyond the deep entwined in the riverbanks or deep somewhere, pipes, caverns, shafts god knows what's down there after years of erosion, floods, natural decay etc... just moo of course

 

[tedtink]

A very informative article by RNLI......​

Cold water shock​

The effect on the body of entering water 15°C and below is often underestimated. This shock can be the precursor to drowning.

https://rnli.org/safety/know-the-risks/cold-water-shock

 

[PeggyHenry]

NB's work situation does seem very significant to me. She appears to work for a relatively large organisation with many other remote workers so a face-to-face meeting the day before with the owner, especially on an evening and when the owner travelled a fair distance to her, suggests importance.

And then we have the disappearance occurring at the exact time as a conference call from the same organisation.

While it is reported she had landed a new client this could have been after a period of work pressure, targets etc.

In general, problems with work can materialise in many different ways. It would not explain what happened, but that whatever it was could very feasibly be linked to her professional life in some way. And this also would not rule in or rule out a third party.

I have been saying this for some time so very welcome to see you reiterate this. I strongly feel this has something to do with her work.
The company she works for (self employed) is fairly recently started (easy to see) snd a smallish operation ..

 

[Normal Norm]

The fact they have not discovered a single item to suggest shes in the water after the repeated dives and scans from the river mouth up to past the weir, we can say without police confirmation shes not in the river.

Snipped by me for focus.

I am not so sure. Having followed cases on WS and elsewhere over several years, my view is that nothing is straightforward or certain when water is involved.

ETA - Based on this, I continue to be very surprised at how categoric PF appears to be in his statements.

 

[cottonweaver]

I think that weir might well have the hydraulic towback effect. If it is only 350m from where she went in and she was a strong swimmer then IMO it is more than likely that she would have managed to remain afloat until she got there. If it does have the effect mentioned then there would be no escape .

They MUST have searched under there by now. Surely.

This is the weir in Wales which caused the drownings of more than one .

From Swansea Bay News : Accident investigators publish report on ‘tragic and avoidable’ fatal Haverfordwest paddleboarding incident

Think that the 350m issue is interesting - because if water flow was 2mph as many have said, she could have reached that in around 6 mins according to swim calculators such as this one Swimming Pace Calculator • Strel Swimming

photo of the Wyre's river at British Geograph site:

Weir on the River Wyre © Peter Bond

SD4641 :: Weir on the River Wyre, near to St Michael's on Wyre, Lancashire, England by Peter Bond

www.geograph.org.uk

btw Faulding searched the weir yesterday so if there was no escape & she was still there, they must've found the body trapped under any weir by now?

 

[wackyw]

FOUND iT!
Would any underground large pipes have been placed in the river at all?
For any reason, flood defenses or drainage?

I'm a bit unsure where any underground pipes would go/take the water ? That area is not much above sea level, and the river has embankments to control it's direction/protect the surrounding farmland. I expect that farmland would be sacrificed by flooding it to protect the town. I think that might be the construction slightly upstream from the scene, ie floodgates.

 

[Mr X]

I said it before but I think the body was located yesterday by a police diver. IMO this was why they used the language they did. You would not want to tell everyone as there will be an awful lot of tourists turning up to watch which is actually rather unpleasant.
JMO the body will be salvaged today.

 

[ayrshireguy]

I'm a bit unsure where any underground pipes would go/take the water ? That area is not much above sea level, and the river has embankments to control it's direction/protect the surrounding farmland. I expect that farmland would be sacrificed by flooding it to protect the town. I think that might be the construction slightly upstream from the scene, ie floodgates.

Yep the floodgates open into a designated flood basin to flood the fields

 

[kittythehare]

I agree, it doesn't seem helpful whereas the actual work he is doing and the resources he has been able to provide have been hugely useful. I think it's possible to be critical of the approach to the media whilst respecting his contribution.

Well an 1800khz is a great gadget but it has limitations.
The local SAR also have a side scanner and they too are a very experienced dive team as are the police divers.
Now we've all been puzzling at the apparent movement of her body, if she entered the water here on Websleuths.
The police divers were in there within a few hours after the alarm was raised.
They would have noticed it too.
Yet they persisted and have access to all kinds of specialty teams and advice including coastguard and RNLI who study the scientific principles of water movement and the circumstances that affect it.

Yet, they persisted.
They persisted for several days though they saw what they saw when they entered the water, namely, that Nicola was not in that location.

Did they do it because they were foolish?
I don't believe for a moment they are anything but highly competent.
I'll put it to you this way- respect is earned.
Local police dive teams earned mine.
If I go missing in water and I had a choice, I'd pick the police dive teams if I had a choice.

Murky waters and muddy riverbeds fly in the face of sidesweepers.
After that, it's down to persistence, access the world quality databases and experts.

 

[Just-a-random-girl]

I would also do the same, not sure if it makes me a bad person, especially if in a rush to get somewhere. I can also comprehend people doing the ooppiste and making a concerted effort to search for the owner. I suppose it's a case of remembering that actions which don't align with what we would do don't mean that they are actually unusual overall.

I don't particularly like dogs but I'd be seriously concerned if I came across an unattended spaniel, lead, harness and mobile phone in a public place. My first thought would be that the owner needed help. Everyone is different but can't imagine walking off without searching the area and calling 101 (or asking someone else to) no matter how important my appointment. Might not be considered so weird in a rural place, I dunno?

 

[kittythehare]

I'm a bit unsure where any underground pipes would go/take the water ? That area is not much above sea level, and the river has embankments to control it's direction/protect the surrounding farmland. I expect that farmland would be sacrificed by flooding it to protect the town. I think that might be the construction slightly upstream from the scene, ie floodgates.

old sewer lines a possibility at all?

 

[pineapple23]

I said it before but I think the body was located yesterday by a police diver. IMO this was why they used the language they did. You would not want to tell everyone as there will be an awful lot of tourists turning up to watch which is actually rather unpleasant.
JMO the body will be salvaged today.

I doubt it. Search still ongoing

Nicola Bulley search specialist on river stretch: 'She is not there'

Peter Faulding, the head of a specialist search team, has ruled out the section where it is believed the missing mother-of-two fell in

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Willowy]

Can anyone confirm if SGI's sonar is ground penetrating? Ie. can it scan beneath the surface of the river bed?

 

[ayrshireguy]

Can anyone confirm if SGI's sonar is ground penetrating? Ie. can it scan beneath the surface of the river bed?

They don't penetrate below the river bed or through vegetation, reeds etc.

 

[Firstsnow4]

I said it before but I think the body was located yesterday by a police diver. IMO this was why they used the language they did. You would not want to tell everyone as there will be an awful lot of tourists turning up to watch which is actually rather unpleasant.
JMO the body will be salvaged today.

They would have put police tape up - I can’t see this imo.

 

[Fishwick]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1623280455733719040

I know it's crazy but finding it hard now to shake that NB doesn't wear a ponytail in any social media and that the outer gilet in CCTV doesn't match those she wears elsewhere...

 

[Mirabel091]

I said it before but I think the body was located yesterday by a police diver. IMO this was why they used the language they did. You would not want to tell everyone as there will be an awful lot of tourists turning up to watch which is actually rather unpleasant.
JMO the body will be salvaged today.

Would they not have recovered the body overnight if that was the case? There likely would be fewer people around at that time, and anyone who was still present wouldn't see as much in darkness. Waiting for daylight to come around again brings the same tourism risks as the day before does it not?

 

[todders]

If NB had been attacked, unless it involved the river, a body would have been found by now, I'd guess, but an abduction would be very hard, and, if the bench is the area closest to where whatever happened happened, as seems likely, it could only really involve the area around Allotment Lane, Wyreside Farm caravan park, and The Oaks, so I can understand the police not wanting to explore in an aggressive way the possibility of this, because of how disruptive it would be to that community, especially if it turned out NB actually had fallen in the river. Difficult decisions to make, but...... Anyway JMO.

And I think there becomes the issue, only searching empty and derelict buildings or dwellings as they believe NB is in the river no residential searches conducted either as they don't believe a crime has taken place. They have good reason though and we really just do not know what that reasons currently. IMO

 

[Mr X]

And I think there becomes the issue, only searching empty and derelict buildings or dwellings as they believe NB is in the river no residential searches conducted either as they don't believe a crime has taken place. They have good reason though and we really just do not know what that reasons currently. IMO

It is interesting to consider whether a full land search of the area has also been conducted. The fact she appears to have gone missing beside a river could be irrelevant although IMO the dog being there is a big factor as long as it was not secured by a lead.

 

[ayrshireguy]

Police dive team heading into the river

https://twitter.com/x/status/1623285358765932549