17-yo Teen Trayvon Martin Shot to Death by Neighborhood Watch Captain #8

[tlcya]

just as an fyi for my fellow members.

If I am quoting something or have arrived to an opinion based off something specific I will certainly link it.

If, however, my post is peppered with IMO MOO IMHO or language such as "I believe" "I feel" "I think" then you know it is simply my wheels turning and no link will be forthcoming.

 

[annalia]

I don't have the tv on so I didn't catch it... But IMHO..There are entirely too too many people in authority who now seem to be covering their azzes as well GZ's azz...JMHO..

I agree, I think that it's now a game of fingerpointing and CYA because it will be shown that there was probable cause to arrest GZ, and they know it.

And it would make the comments that Chief Lee came of out with very early in the case even more reprehensible.

JMHO

 

[LolaMoon08]

BEM: Factually, based on what?

Factually based on my opinion?!? Factually based on the fact that they allowed George Zimmerman to walk out of that police station with the clothes that would, imo, contain important evidence. That's just one of them!

IMO, The Sanford Police didn't think anyone would question them because they had been terrorizing that community, based on statements made by residents and with their history, I believe it! They didn't take into account that the parents of this black kids were not from Sanford, Florida and had no reason to fear them.

 

[Inabsentia]

ok so now GZ is a killer.

But, but, but...he is a killer. He killed someone. That is the definition of killer. He said " I shot him."Trayvon Marin lay dead of that gunshot wound. He was KILLED George Martin KILLED him. That does in fact make him a KILLER. It has not yet been determined if he can be held legally culpable of a crime in killing Trayvon Martin, but whether he did it is not in contention. I have not called George Martin a bigot, a racist or any of those things, although I may have opinions about the subjects. I do feel perfectly comfortable calling him what he has demonstrably been, a killer.
Moo

 

[LolaMoon08]

Why was his wife giving LE descriptions of crimes going on at the Retreat?

I don't know? You'll have to ask them about it? Zimmerman, in one of his calls to LE that was recorded and released, he tells the dispatcher that his WIFE was the one who gave LE a description of the "black suspects?"

 

[octobermoon]

He didn't have the right to attack another person. I'm not saying the shooting was justified, but why did he hit Zimmerman ? If he was afraid, why didn't he just run ?

OMG He was the one being stalked. Why did he hit back? He was standing his ground. GZ was the adult, was the man with a truck, was the man on the phone with LE, GZ caused this. TM was walking down the street and shot dead.
By a grown man with a gun who had no need to fear for his life. TM lost his life. He lost his life because GZ wanted to be a hero. IMO JMO MOO

Mods, I am logging off.

 

[HiHater]

ok so now GZ is a killer. I've heard racist, murderer, vigilante,convicted felon etc.

If you KILL someone, you're a killer. No one is disputing the fact that GZ killed Trayvon, are they?

Same thing, if you lie---you're a liar. If you steal---you're a thief. I don't think there's anything wrong with calling Zimmerman a killer. He did, in fact, kill someone.

:moo: :twocents:

 

[rossva]

I am sure they are back now, just not available to the general public.

When do the tox reports come back?

 

[m00c0w]

BBM

You do realize that from his vehicle to "somewhere towards the end of this magenta pathway" scales close to 900', or THREE football fields?

And he covered it in TWENTY EIGHT SECONDS?

BBM

OK. (Excuse me a moment, if you don't mind)

EM.....EM.....I GOTTA TAKE MY BET BACK!



:floorlaugh:

Dude, what are you talking about? I clearly delineated what I was talking about with colors. Why you chose to make one of the faces of the triangle a different color than I did, I don't know. Are you claiming that the red horizontal path that appears to be 200 feet is really 900 feet?

Look at my illustration again, and go with what I wrote.

 

[vlpate]

Would someone please explain to me why Congressman Rush is wearing a hoodie and talking about how this was racial profiling and Trayvon's hoodie having something to do with said profiling?

The whole hoodie thing having anything to do with whether or not GZ was arrested, and attributing it to why Trayvon was shot, totally escapes me.

Geraldo was not there that night, so please don't tell me it was because of his insipid show blaming his hoodie.

 

[tlcya]

Even a police officer who shoots someone in the line of duty is temporarily relieved of his gun and an internal investigation done to ensure that the shooting was indeed necessary and falls into the category of in the line of duty. (I do not know that to be specific of Florida but do know it is a common procedure in LE)

I wonder if GZ's gun was kept by LE after the shooting. I would at least hope that the average citizen is held to the same standard as a LEO in this type of situation.

 

[Sensei]

Just curious how you would categorize this: my daughter and I are are walking downtown and some guy confronts us with a knife and demands money. If I manage to get to my gun and shoot him and he dies, is that negligence? Manslaughter? What would you suggest I do in that situation? Should I be able to carry a gun to defend myself and my family? I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to understand how you view defending oneself regarding "killing of another person through culpable negligence, whether you intended to kill them or not." If I was a law abiding citizen and did nothing wrong should I be able to defend myself without being tagged with a record for doing so? Should I have to wipe out my savings and possibly lose my job because of the time I would lose from work trying to defend myself? Again, I'm just trying to understand other points of view on self defense.

I most certainly think that you have the right to defend your life and your daughters. That is not even an apt analogy...What I would not find easily defensible would be if you had your loaded weapon in a holster and you were walking around down town until you found someone that you considered to be suspicious, even if they were at that point only walking around window shopping and you proceed to follow them, and when a confrontation ensues because of your following them, you pull out your gun hand shoot them dead, and then claim that was self defense....

The act of following them while not a crime is the very thing that precipitates the confrontation, and a person ends up dead....you didn't mean for it to happen, didn't intentionally set out for it to happen but it did and your actions are the proximate cause of the entire incident...

 

[tehcloser]

I am trying so hard to put myself in GZ's position but I can't make it out of the car. There was no reason for it. None. He wasn't getting out to "save" or "help" someone, he wasn't stopping a robbery, he saw a "suspicious" person for cripes sake! If you look around you - you can probably find one of those everywhere! He should have NEVER GOT OUT OF THE CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!! We can't have people doing that...we just can't.

 

[HiHater]

Why was his wife giving LE descriptions of crimes going on at the Retreat?

Because she was just as "concerned" about the community as her husband. JMO MOO IMO

 

[Concerned Papa]

I have mentioned Martin stopping under the awning (IMO, if he did so, it was so hide from George Zimmerman) and pulling up his hoodie in the past, but now taht I think of it, what is the original source of that info? it's not on Zimmermans' 911 call transcripts, I don't see any where that it is mentioned in the phone call Martin's gf suddenly recalled three weeks later. I don't see it mentioned in the police reports either.

Can anyone source the statement that Martin actually did step under the awning/cover at the clubhouse, and that is in fact when he pulled his hoodie up?

I first saw it here:

At shortly before 7:15, George Zimmerman, who volunteered for the development's neighborhood watch, spots Trayvon standing outside the development's clubhouse near the community mailboxes, where the teen had ducked under an awning to get out of the rain. Zimmerman calls police on a non-emergency number from his SUV, saying he sees a suspicious person.

http://www.thegrio.com/specials/tra...timeline-leaves-many-unanswered-questions.php

I'm reasonably certain it's out there at numerous other sources, as well.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Even a police officer who shoots someone in the line of duty is temporarily relieved of his gun and an internal investigation done to ensure that the shooting was indeed necessary and falls into the category of in the line of duty. (I do not know that to be specific of Florida but do know it is a common procedure in LE)

I wonder if GZ's gun was kept by LE after the shooting. I would at least hope that the average citizen is held to the same standard as a LEO in this type of situation.

They did take his gun that night? I don't know if he was given it back at a later date? I would hope not? Until I see any other evidence or hear that the evidence exists (photographs, etc...) the only physical evidence they seemed to have collected was Zimmerman's gun and Trayvon's body.

 

[bessie]

BBM

You do realize that from his vehicle to "somewhere towards the end of this magenta pathway" scales close to 900', or THREE football fields?

To be fair, M00c0w used this diagram as reference in his/her post, not the one you've posted with the the vertical line changed to magenta.

 

[iluvmua]

I most certainly think that you have the right to defend your life and your daughters. That is not even an apt analogy...What I would not find easily defensible would be if you had your loaded weapon in a holster and you were walking around down town until you found someone that you considered to be suspicious, even if they were at that point only walking around window shopping and you proceed to follow them, and when a confrontation ensues because of your following them, you pull out your gun hand shoot them dead, and then claim that was self defense....

The act of following them while not a crime is the very thing that precipitates the confrontation, and a person ends up dead....you didn't mean for it to happen, didn't intentionally set out for it to happen but it did and your actions are the proximate cause of the entire incident...

this is my entire point, people act like GZ actively sought out Martin just to shoot and kill him. we don't know if TM threatened him or not etc.

there is much more to the story than is being told. it's a witch hunt against GZ and it's getting out of hand.

 

[octobermoon]

Would someone please explain to me why Congressman Rush is wearing a hoodie and talking about how this was racial profiling and Trayvon's hoodie having something to do with said profiling?

The whole hoodie thing having anything to do with whether or not GZ was arrested, and attributing it to why Trayvon was shot, totally escapes me.

Geraldo was not there that night, so please don't tell me it was because of his insipid show blaming his hoodie.

Geraldo :floorlaugh:

We need the hurricane video

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Even a police officer who shoots someone in the line of duty is temporarily relieved of his gun and an internal investigation done to ensure that the shooting was indeed necessary and falls into the category of in the line of duty. (I do not know that to be specific of Florida but do know it is a common procedure in LE)

I wonder if GZ's gun was kept by LE after the shooting. I would at least hope that the average citizen is held to the same standard as a LEO in this type of situation.

They took his gun but have not revoked his license to carry and he was trying to find a new gun according to his friend I believe.