CANADA Canada - Jack, 4 & Lilly Sullivan, 6, Vulnerable, wandered from home 10am, Gairloch Rd, Landsdowne Station, Pictou County, NS, 2 May 2025 #6

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RCMP has jurisdiction on First Nations Reserves. In cases where the First Nation has its own police services, the two police services would collaborate. There is no place to hide from the police.

I don't believe it is likely that anyone could successfully hide two lively, growing children on the reserve where everyone knows one another's business. And there seems to be no compelling reason to do so.

Are you thinking the RCMP would engage in an house-to-house search to see if the children were being hidden? I’d highly doubt that considering improving their relationship with indigenous people has been a longstanding goal. As for a band member reporting any of their own members to the RCMP for taking care of children, I’d be very shocked. It’s not as if anyone would be harbouring a criminal on the 10 Most Wanted List, does Canada have one? I don’t know. The unequivocal loyalty amongst band members is quite remarkable within their culture. And they do not all live on-reserve.

As the RCMP have stated, if criminality was not involved in the children’s disappearance then there’s not many alternatives but it doesn’t rule out the possibility of kinship care.
JMO
 
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So hiding two children can result in having the third one removed. This is a very good reason not to hide two of your children.
Only if CS knows that's what happened. And only if the person hiding the children thought that might happen. The visit was for the older two children, because if their behavior at school.
 
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I can't think of a single, logical reason their mother would secretly hide these kids then lie about it to everyone.

I'm not buying the idea that she was scared to leave DM so she had to make up some wild story. She quite easily left with family the day after the kids disappeared. She had full custody and their bio dad hadn't even had contact in 3 years. No custody issues. Once the story unraveled, as lies always do, she'd be held on charges for sure & likely lose custody of all 3 kids.

To me, her hiding them just doesn't make any sense.
 
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I can't think of a single, logical reason their mother would secretly hide these kids then lie about it to everyone.

I'm not buying the idea that she was scared to leave DM so she had to make up some wild story. She quite easily left with family the day after the kids disappeared. She had full custody and their bio dad hadn't even had contact in 3 years. No custody issues. Once the story unraveled, as lies always do, she'd be held on charges for sure & likely lose custody of all 3 kids.

To me, her hiding them just doesn't make any sense.

If this occurred, no disrespect intended but it’s perfectly okay that we don’t understand her reasoning. We’re only following this case by media reports. Furthermore we cannot possibly predict any legal repercussions that would happen without knowing her rational.

In Canada nobody’s going to condemn her by sending her to jail and throwing away the key for taking action to ensure her children are healthy and thriving regardless of her reasons, again, if this is what occurred.

JMO
 
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I am open to almost any theories. However, I personally have never believed the children wandered into the woods, never to be found, thus far. This isn’t a fun, pretty, inviting and exciting forest where any kid would love to play. It’s dense, full of ticks and black flies. The weather also great the day they disappeared.

I also have a hard time believing that a stranger has abducted them. It’s too serendipitous for a predator to just happen along and find ready prey, strolling down a country road. So this, for me, is out, in terms of theories.

We have information that DM and MBM have passed polygraphs to, what appears to be, the satisfaction of LE. I’ve always believed they might not be telling the whole story, but it might be nothing more than overindulging the night before, drugs or alcohol, for example. Initial interviews made it sound like the kids had gone quiet for about 20 minutes before DM and MBM noticed them gone. It’s possible it was a longer window of time in which the children were unattended. After a previous CPS visit, it makes sense they might not want to reveal that timing, especially in media interviews. This is a far cry from accidental or violent death and hiding of bodies.

It also sounds like bio dad and his family are cleared by LE.

So what does that leave us?

The newest information from the Globe and Mail , which reported that DM would place a wrench on the door to alert to a bear, this does not ring true for me. But perhaps there was other danger that worried them, fear of someone coming in the night. Who were their enemies? Who might want to harm them?

And finally, there’s the possibility of the 2 children being hit by a vehicle, with a panicked driver disposing of the evidence.

But the blanket, the boot prints. Where do they fit in?

This is all I can come up with.

All imho
 
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If that's the case, why do you think they haven't turned against one another, given their present distanced relationship?

It takes a great deal of skill to hide a crime such as one you are suggesting. I don't believe these parents had the skill, energy, time or resources to pull it off. Therefore, I don't believe there was a crime committed. I believe the children are in the forest.
Because they would both go down. For me it is way too convenient that these TWO children disappeared on a day they were called in sick to school. MOO
 
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Mom hasn't really engaged with the media since the first days of the disappearance. I don't think. And she's not obligated to. But it's harder to get a "read" on her than it has been for the stepdad.

I could be wrong, but I think he comes across as a decent guy. Even though he's referred to as a stepdad, he's not legally obligated to those kids in any way. Once Mom left with his kid a couple days in, and blocked him on everything, I don't think any reasonable person would blame him for pulling back from this situation. He could have chosen to cooperate with the LE but nothing else. But he's been giving interviews and helping with searches. This may be a bit "Pollyanna" of me, but I think he does care about the kids and wants them found.
MOO
 
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Because they would both go down. For me it is way too convenient that these TWO children disappeared on a day they were called in sick to school. MOO
Agreed.
It's quite a coincidence that they'd go missing the day they were called in to school as being sick.
Imo.
 
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Are you thinking the RCMP would engage in an house-to-house search to see if the children were being hidden? I’d highly doubt that considering improving their relationship with indigenous people has been a longstanding goal. As for a band member reporting any of their own members to the RCMP for taking care of children, I’d be very shocked. It’s not as if anyone would be harbouring a criminal on the 10 Most Wanted List, does Canada have one? I don’t know. The unequivocal loyalty amongst band members is quite remarkable within their culture. And they do not all live on-reserve.

As the RCMP have stated, if criminality was not involved in the children’s disappearance then there’s not many alternatives but it doesn’t rule out the possibility of kinship care.
JMO

No, I do not think the RCMP would go house to house looking for the children because there was no evidence that the children were abducted.
 
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After reading through this article


previously posted a page back I noticed this paragraph. So previously it was stated that one boot print was found in the yard and a pair were found at the pipeline ( AFAIR) now we have clumps of bootprints in two sizes in nearby woods . Therefore should we not assume that these are the children's prints and that prehaps occams razor applies here and the children are indeed in the woods and their remains yet to be found . Prehaps they got further than the search area . Just a foot outside of it would be enough not to find them imo .

The next step i would like to see taken is cadaver dogs . I know its not foolproof but at least we would know all was done .

I personally would contribute funds to a private company to do this . If a bear was hanging around prehaps remains are scattered and hidden by animals foraging . Dogs imo are the only chance of giving this case closure .


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After reading through this article


previously posted a page back I noticed this paragraph. So previously it was stated that one boot print was found in the yard and a pair were found at the pipeline ( AFAIR) now we have clumps of bootprints in two sizes in nearby woods . Therefore should we not assume that these are the children's prints and that prehaps occams razor applies here and the children are indeed in the woods and their remains yet to be found . Prehaps they got further than the search area . Just a foot outside of it would be enough not to find them imo .

The next step i would like to see taken is cadaver dogs . I know its not foolproof but at least we would know all was done .

I personally would contribute funds to a private company to do this . If a bear was hanging around prehaps remains are scattered and hidden by animals foraging . Dogs imo are the only chance of giving this case closure .


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Rbm.
Agreed.
Although I wish it had been done sooner ?
Fwiw, I do not believe those kids were kidnapped.
Omo.
 
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After reading through this article


previously posted a page back I noticed this paragraph. So previously it was stated that one boot print was found in the yard and a pair were found at the pipeline ( AFAIR) now we have clumps of bootprints in two sizes in nearby woods . Therefore should we not assume that these are the children's prints and that prehaps occams razor applies here and the children are indeed in the woods and their remains yet to be found . Prehaps they got further than the search area . Just a foot outside of it would be enough not to find them imo .

The next step i would like to see taken is cadaver dogs . I know its not foolproof but at least we would know all was done .

I personally would contribute funds to a private company to do this . If a bear was hanging around prehaps remains are scattered and hidden by animals foraging . Dogs imo are the only chance of giving this case closure .


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No other news agency is reporting this and according to Newsweek both MBM and DM were given polygraphs FOUR times so it seems they’re missing a fact-checker.
 
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I strongly believe nearly four months in , if the children were being hidden or where abducted or murdered by the parents . Somebody within the circle of families would have broke by now .

It's unbelievably hard to keep a murder a secret even among the evilest of people's , they talk , they brag , confide ,whatever label you want to put on it .

Yes there are unsolved cases and murderers who remain quiet but they are the few and mainly crimes where the perp and victim are strangers .

I never felt it was an abduction because of the remoteness . I think prior cps involvement was a red flag for everyone and it planted seeds of doubt regarding the parents .

I do however feel neglect led to their disappearance as from information such as school staff providing clothing etc , this was not a stabilised home . I understand poverty etc and sympathise with decisions that have to be made between food and a new coat . But for me allowing two young children with additional needs to fend for themselves as the adults slept in late is thoughtlessness and carelessness . Especially if an adult was concerned enough to place a wrench over the door in case an apex predator decided to descend upon the sleeping family .

I acknowledge parents can be tired caused by depressed states over finances and circumstances and that can be overwhelming and cause one to sleep to alleviate the stress . But I don't have to condone it when vulnerable children are needing care .
 
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No other news agency is reporting this and according to Newsweek both MBM and DM were given polygraphs FOUR times so it seems they’re missing a fact-checker.
It does say this about the writer she has good credentials as far as I can see , it's right down the bottom, you can get to it faster by pressing the message button at the top of the article

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It does say this about the writer she has good credentials as far as I can see , it's right down the bottom, you can get to it faster by pressing the message button at the top of the article

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Yes but no matter her credentials, the couple was not polygraphed four times. Other Canadian news reports listed the four dates and names of everyone. No idea how she got it so wrong nor what is the source as this is a US publication. The same as the boot prints, even the RCMP said nothing about “clumps” of boot prints in two sizes. They stated only one was found.
 
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After reading through this article


previously posted a page back I noticed this paragraph. So previously it was stated that one boot print was found in the yard and a pair were found at the pipeline ( AFAIR) now we have clumps of bootprints in two sizes in nearby woods . Therefore should we not assume that these are the children's prints and that prehaps occams razor applies here and the children are indeed in the woods and their remains yet to be found . Prehaps they got further than the search area . Just a foot outside of it would be enough not to find them imo .

The next step i would like to see taken is cadaver dogs . I know its not foolproof but at least we would know all was done .

I personally would contribute funds to a private company to do this . If a bear was hanging around prehaps remains are scattered and hidden by animals foraging . Dogs imo are the only chance of giving this case closure .


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Re the clumps of boot prints - The Globe and Mail added that the clump of prints in two sizes included a child’s. To me, this means the other was not a child’s size. So…an adult size?

IMO
 
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Re the clumps of boot prints - The Globe and Mail added that the clump of prints in two sizes included a child’s. To me, this means the other was not a child’s size. So…an adult size?

IMO

Baffling, how there could be discrepancies in interpretations of the same information.

BBM
From the CBC, one of the media who was mentioned as filing a FOIP to the Court -
“An impression casting of a boot print found in the nearby woods was also taken to the lab for testing.

An investigator's comment states in a July 16 document that "because Lilly's boot print was confirmed to be a size 11, it is consistent with the boot print located on the pipeline trail in the search area."
 
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Re the wrench on the door and bear hanging around -

How does a wrench on the door detect a bear?? If it comes to the door and knocks? Shakes the walls? I’d think a bear shaking the walls would alert you and no falling wrench would be needed. I think a bear outside would be better detected by stringing up tin cans, or bells.

This makes me wonder if the wrench on the door isn’t for fear of bears, but rather a fear that someone will come break in to their home. Is there someone they were afraid would come in the night?

As time goes by, and no theory seems to make complete sense, I go back to wondering if they had any enemies who would do this to them. And if so, what is the end game. Give the kids back? Harm them?

IMO
I agree, I can’t imagine how a wrench in a door would deter bears. Just ensuring it was shut, hopefully locked, should do the trick.

As for enemies, I have wondered if the piece of the pink doll blanket and the two missing sweaters were intended to falsely implicate DM in some way. But purely my speculation, sometime longstanding feuds in rural areas can run deep.
JMO

I think he put it there so that if the children tried to open the door, it would fall and wake him up so they couldn't go outside and get eaten by a bear. JMO.
 
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rbbm
The Current

'Friday, July 18, 2025 Episode Transcript'​

''MW: What does Janie say about what happened that day?

KAYLA HOUNSELL: Well, she says that morning, her brother called her at 8:48 local time. She has the timestamp on her phone. She says she spoke with him and then went back to bed. But then she heard her dog barking, and she heard Lilly and Jack. She didn't see them, but says she heard them. And she says it was around 10 minutes after that call with her brother, so around 9 a.m. now, that she heard her son yelling for Lilly and jack. Now, she didn't go outside immediately, but when she did a short time later, she saw Malehya, the children's mother, standing there with the baby, and it was her who told Janie that Lilly and Jack were missing and had been for about 20 minutes. And she says ever since then, baseless stories have been swirling about her family.''

first I've heard that she has a dog ...
 
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