If RDI or BDI , then why netflix it 25 years on ?

[scottishgal]

This is my main mental block to RDI/BDI and parents cover up - I can imagine in the panic of the moment, cover up for son or sons or/and cover up for each other -I just cant imagine anyone having the stomach to agree to be part of the netflix documentary 25 years on, and have the stomach to go over the cover up yet again in their 70s - too risky as well.

This is the main factor at this point in 2025 that makes me believe they are innocent and there might have been some crazed IDI (someone local, with obsession on JB but also jealous of the Rs perhaps and their 'fabulous life' as perceived by intruder).

Likewise, surely if they covered up and are still covering up almost 30 years on - surely they would have coached B before his media interview (on Dr Phil) to not say he was up that night late alone playing with his toy downstairs........ JR then goes onto say in another interview (was it in the Netflix doc) that maybe BR mis understood the question because he doesnt remember BR being awake alone downstairs later that night - surely they would have their stories straight decades later if they went to the trouble to cover up and continue to cover up ?

Im neutral, but the above confuses me on the RDI theory and make me believe perhaps a number of things happened in parallel RD something, ID something ......making it the unsolveable web it became

Poor child .....

 

[Ponytale]

IMO, that is exactly what that Netflix "documentary" wants the public to think and believe - make people question that possibly the parents are innocent and there indeed was an intruder.

The fact that Burke was up that night playing with his toy was already known to the public before the interview. There is nothing suspicious of him agreeing with what his parents had said before. It's public knowledge. IMO it would have been more strange if he had said that he was not up, as it would contradict Johns previous statements where he said that he helped Burke with his toy later that night.

And he had to say that he does not remember Burke being up alone in Ashley Flowers interview because he has never said that before - he has only said that they both were up and assembled a toy together. So saying that maybe he misunderstood the question is his way out of it... IMO.

 

[scottishgal]

@Ponytale , thanks for trying to clear my confusion ....still seems so unneccesary tho to introduce a whole new generation worldwide to this case if guilty , by participating in the docu series ....hard to say...also as someone not American , my take was that JR does come across as honest and likeable and straight speaking in the series....he comes across as a genuinely soft spoken even kind person....must have made it so much harder for the police to be immune to that either ways .....

Has the first wife ever spoken to the media ? can someone share links .....wonder what her take was?

 

[CrimeTheorist]

JR will only be in documentaries or interviews that side with what he says happened. There are other shows that come out that lean toward BR or a parent being the killer so he needs to continue to point to an intruder being the culprit to counteract them. (he also sues the makers of those shows/movies) I personally don't think JR was involved in the killing or cover up that morning and probably only found out what happened once the police left, so with less culpability it's easier for him to talk about and defend his family.

 

[CloudedTruth]

@Ponytale , thanks for trying to clear my confusion ....still seems so unneccesary tho to introduce a whole new generation worldwide to this case if guilty , by participating in the docu series ....hard to say...also as someone not American , my take was that JR does come across as honest and likeable and straight speaking in the series....he comes across as a genuinely soft spoken even kind person....must have made it so much harder for the police to be immune to that either ways .....

Has the first wife ever spoken to the media ? can someone share links .....wonder what her take was?

JR is very invested in keeping the ruse of innocence going. He has a lot to lose, financially. He has been very litigious and sued in several instances, however he has never asked for a retraction of what has been said, he wants the $$$$. That seems to be his motivation.

What I find interesting is that both JR and PR have always claimed that they never spoke to Burke about what happened. They never bothered to ask him if he heard anything that night, which I find to be not only suspicious but telling. Over the years, Burke has come out with things that contradict what his parents have said. He's been kind of the wild card in all of this. I think JR in particular has been counting on Burke's silence.....his reluctance to speak at all about this case to anyone.

There must've been some coaching that went on prior to the Dr. Phil interview, IMO both JR and Lin Wood probably kind of strong armed him into doing it because they knew it was important to have him on the record saying he was innocent in order to sue CBS for the documentary that was about to drop. But they didn't take into account how awkward he is and how that came across to most people. And I do think JR was caught off guard with Burke's admission about being downstairs after thinking everyone was asleep in bed. It kind of had the same effect as the pineapple in JB's digestive system......it calls into question the timeline of that night, which does undermine Ramsey credibility. JR's excuses in the Ashley Flowers interview really come across as lame. Notably, Burke has since refused to speak at all about the case, including detectives who showed up at his home in Michigan.

JR continues on the press tours and participation in projects like the Netflix "mockumentary" to keep the cash flow going and to continue the ruse of innocence. It keeps up the appearance that he is still fighting to find JB's killer(s). He knows darn well that further testing of whatever is left of the DNA sample(s) that was minute and weak to begin with will not result in finding an intruder and then it will be done because there will be nothing left to test. But he'll be able to say that he fought until the end. IMO what he is fighting for is to keep all the years of lies hidden. The Ramseys have never fought for justice for JB, only to present the narrative of their innocence. If the truth comes out, all those lawsuits could be overturned which would cause financial ruin for JR.

If you watch the earlier interviews, JR does not come across as likable, honest or soft spoken. He is arrogant and controlling, bristling and indignant at any suggestion of culpability. Neither he or PR ever exhibited any ability to understand how they came off on tv and why people thought they were guilty. It's because they acted guilty! Their non-cooperation with LE remains a deciding factor for many people of their guilt, that and the ever changing stories.

 

[kukrao]

This is my main mental block to RDI/BDI and parents cover up - I can imagine in the panic of the moment, cover up for son or sons or/and cover up for each other -I just cant imagine anyone having the stomach to agree to be part of the netflix documentary 25 years on, and have the stomach to go over the cover up yet again in their 70s - too risky as well.

This is the main factor at this point in 2025 that makes me believe they are innocent and there might have been some crazed IDI (someone local, with obsession on JB but also jealous of the Rs perhaps and their 'fabulous life' as perceived by intruder).

Likewise, surely if they covered up and are still covering up almost 30 years on - surely they would have coached B before his media interview (on Dr Phil) to not say he was up that night late alone playing with his toy downstairs........ JR then goes onto say in another interview (was it in the Netflix doc) that maybe BR mis understood the question because he doesnt remember BR being awake alone downstairs later that night - surely they would have their stories straight decades later if they went to the trouble to cover up and continue to cover up ?

Im neutral, but the above confuses me on the RDI theory and make me believe perhaps a number of things happened in parallel RD something, ID something ......making it the unsolveable web it became

Poor child .....










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Yeah, totally get where you're coming from. That kind of long-term, perfectly consistent cover-up—across decades, media interviews, and aging minds—feels almost too precise for real life. Especially if they were all traumatized too. The cracks you mention, like Burke’s comment or JR’s confusion, don’t exactly scream “rehearsed.” It’s messy, which kind of leans away from the RDI theory being airtight. It really might be one of those tragic, tangled cases with overlapping weirdness—just enough of everything to never fully land on one clear answer.

 

[CloudedTruth]

Yeah, totally get where you're coming from. That kind of long-term, perfectly consistent cover-up—across decades, media interviews, and aging minds—feels almost too precise for real life. Especially if they were all traumatized too. The cracks you mention, like Burke’s comment or JR’s confusion, don’t exactly scream “rehearsed.” It’s messy, which kind of leans away from the RDI theory being airtight. It really might be one of those tragic, tangled cases with overlapping weirdness—just enough of everything to never fully land on one clear answer.

But it hasn't been perfectly consistent, that's a notable issue. Stories kept changing starting from day one. There has been consistency with some of the lies though......like the one that the Grand Jury refused to indict. JR is still peddling that one.

BR has always been a bit of a wild card, that's kind of his quirky personality. Note that they kept him hidden, almost sequestered for most of his life since the murder. JR and Lin Wood trotted him out for the Dr. Phil interview because of the CBS documentary that was about to drop, and they had to get him out there and on the record so they could sue. They knew it was risky, which is why they picked Dr. Phil......he and Wood were pals. And dutifully, after some of the fallout about BR's odd demeanor, Dr. Phil dismissed it saying it was anxiety and that he was socially uncomfortable. Other than the comment about being downstairs after everyone was in bed and the public thinking he's an odd duck, the risk paid off as it resulted in a lawsuit with CBS, et al that was settled for $$$$. Another win for Team Ramsey.

I don't think we can say that RDI has ever been airtight. But it is the way the vast majority of the evidence points. And despite all the PI's that Team Ramsey paid for to solve the case based on claims of BPD's incompetence, they have not come up with anything. Zilch. Zero.

And in a more recent interview sitting beside the director of the Netflix "mockumentary" which was such a joke, JR spoke about how he was told this case is easily solvable. And that if only the BPD had accepted help (they in fact did), it could've been solved very quickly. If that were true, then the high priced team that JR assembled should have solved it years ago.

JR has kept the narrative going because it's been a money maker for him over the years. His litigiousness has silenced the media. He announced that the JonBenet children's foundation that they started would be funded by lawsuits against the media and anyone who didn't fall in line with the intruder narrative. That was the plan......no legitimate fund raising, not relying on charitable donations, but lawsuits. Huh? Who does that? And I think one of the biggest tells is the fact that in all these lawsuits the common denominator is $$$$. They have never demanded or asked for a retraction of what was printed or said. Only money.

It is messy, but RDI IMO is still where it keeps circling back to.

 

[887sMtreme]

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. He announced that the JonBenet children's foundation that they started would be funded by lawsuits against the media and anyone who didn't fall in line with the intruder narrative. That was the plan......no legitimate fund raising, not relying on charitable donations, but lawsuits. Huh? Who does that? And I think one of the biggest tells is the fact that in all these lawsuits the common denominator is $$$$. They have never demanded or asked for a retraction of what was printed or said. Only money.

It is messy, but RDI IMO is still where it keeps circling back to.

And the “foundation” never saw that lawsuit money. It fizzled out after a few years, with only a few thousand dollars raised or contributed by the Ramseys, most of it spent on furnishings for a non-existent office. It was just part of the show, and not an impressive part at that.

 

[CloudedTruth]

And the “foundation” never saw that lawsuit money. It fizzled out after a few years, with only a few thousand dollars raised or contributed by the Ramseys, most of it spent on furnishings for a non-existent office. It was just part of the show, and not an impressive part at that.

Exactly. They touted to the media about a grant they gave out.......which was only given out AFTER they were asked publicly about where money was going and to whom, who were they helping? PR IIRC was a founding board member, yet claimed to be completely unaware of any aspect of the financials at any time during which the foundation was "operational".

When put up in comparison with the Polly Klaas foundation, the differences are a stark contrast. Mark Klaas and Polly's mother really made a difference....they pushed for changes in protocol in California so that APB's would be broadcast to all police, not just CHP. The foundation distributed 100k kits per year to help parents teach kids about safety and abduction prevention. They worked to make Amber Alerts law in all 50 states. Mark and Polly's mother Eve allowed the FBI to pass along their contact information to other parents of abducted children so they could help support them in their grief process. They managed to accomplish a lot in their daughter's name, all from legally solicited donations. They did not have the financial means or the high powered legal and PR teams the Ramseys did. But they had love, care and motivation to make a difference. They did not play victims, they did something.

 

[ekardh]

I honestly don't think that BDI. But for the sake of argument, let's assume that he struck JonBenet on the head and killed her or seriously injured her. First of all, why would the parents go down the route they did? There are multiple angles they could have arrived at before deciding to garrote their still-warm daughter's body, toss her in the basement, and stage an elaborate phoney kidnapping. They could have claimed she fell in the shower, tripped on the stairs.... anything. All they had at this point is a head injury.

Now let's presume that BDI also entailed him fashioning a makeshift garrote and torturing JonBenet. I just don't see this. This was a sadosexual device. It is quite unusual and rare for a child of that age to have that kind of psychosexual fetish, let alone not reoffending without punishment.

Also, didn't he return to school not long after the incident and was allowed to be questioned by the Grand Jury? I don't think those are the actions of parents whom know their child was responsible for this horror.

The problem is that the Ramsey's behavior on the day does suggest that they knew the abduction was a farce. And the ransom note has Patsy's hands all over it. Who kidnaps a child and writes a rambling ransom note like that with practice drafts? If it wasn't an inside job, it must have been someone with some sort of developmental issue.

 

[proust20]

The Rs have never presented a credible scenario to explain the crime. There is no evidence of an intruder. John cannot produce any. The murder wrecked his career. Then he became a celebrity. Introducing the father of...(Applause)

Patsy's illness loomed over events. She was living through JonBenet. PR was controlling, while John remains so.

 

[doublestop]

Now let's presume that BDI also entailed him fashioning a makeshift garrote and torturing JonBenet. I just don't see this. This was a sadosexual device. It is quite unusual and rare for a child of that age to have that kind of psychosexual fetish, let alone not reoffending without punishment.

It could also be something he saw on television or a movie...not sadosexual for him, per se.

 

[proust20]

If it is said that Burke was torturing JonBenet with the ligature, the implication is that the head blow occurred subsequently?