Utah connections...

[cappuccina]

Is Raven now living with Kaiden and his sister "Kar" (Karyn) in Utah??

If so, she has some type of commerce/business/government contract?? type of license there:

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:6M2If0IBIH4J:www.commerce.utah.gov/dre/Database_files/MTGPEP.PDF+karyn+abaroa&hl=en

The same Karyn Bolton?? (also in sales)??

http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:LPUQ_ORhpEYJ:www.mercurydelivers.co m/OfficeMove/+karyn+bolton&hl=en

His web designing business "friend" Jennifer lives in Herriman, UT (from running WHOIS on her site):

And, of course the "mainstay" of the Mormon church is there... I wonder how the Church views him at this point??

[golfmom]

My understanding was that Kayrn (or however you spell it), was his mother.

[Thinkoflaura]

My understanding was that Kayrn (or however you spell it), was his mother.

Golfmom, is she dead?

[cappuccina]

...seems younger...could it be a sister named after mom??

[golfmom]

Golfmom, is she dead?

LOL ... no. I should have typed *is* instead of *was*.

[cappuccina]

...she could be my age! LOL

But, ..."Abaroa-Bolton" is curious...thought her last name was Peters; has she remarried?

[misterallgood]

...seems younger...could it be a sister named after mom??
Karyn is his mom, she purposefully changed the spelling of her name from Karen, a habit her children seem to have adopted as well (Derek going from that spelling to Derrecke, etc.). Raven's sister is named Shiloh, not Karen. His mom is married to James Bolton, who is her second or third husband.

[cappuccina]

...I appreciate you clearing this up...

[or shall we change your name to "Mysterallgydd (sounds Welsh!), and my name to cappucchynna, in keeping with the "cool" name spelling thang going on here? LOL]

[PrayersForMaura]

Karyn is his mom, she purposefully changed the spelling of her name from Karen, a habit her children seem to have adopted as well (Derek going from that spelling to Derrecke, etc.). Raven's sister is named Shiloh, not Karen. His mom is married to James Bolton, who is her second or third husband.Raven has MORE than one sister, misterallgood. I have info of several more siblings but at your request once, didn't do too much more digging of his siblings info. you had posted basically to leave his family alone... not in a rude way, but out of respect as they most likely had nothing to do with this.
And Shiloh is not her real name either. It's treena smith. It's on classmates.com.
Just an fyi.

[PrayersForMaura]

...she could be my age! LOL

But, ..."Abaroa-Bolton" is curious...thought her last name was Peters; has she remarried?it's more than likely another sister he has. He has half sisters and brothers that have not yet been posted about ... I can post the info if we need just like I posted the family history of Janet and her 9 brothers and sisters.

This is all mentioned on a resume he posted a long time ago. I will go dig up the link.

[PrayersForMaura]

http://web.archive.org/web/20010429232800/www.ravenstree.com/soccer_profile.htm
- Currently living in Fredericksburg, VA (since Oct. 99)
- Lived in Utah for 4 years
- Lived in San Diego, CA for 13 years
- Step-Father- Electrician
- Mother- Technology Sales
- 4 Sisters, 4 Brothers

[PrayersForMaura]

Raven's sister: Shiloh was named Trena Smith
http://www.classmates.com/cmo/user/profile/index.jsp?site=schools&regId=533753861

[ewwwinteresting]

Raven's sister: Shiloh was named Trena Smith
http://www.classmates.com/cmo/user/profile/index.jsp?site=schools&regId=533753861
I'm sorry but I can't find anything in this site stating that Trena Smith was the sister of Raven....am I missing something? Besides, according to the year Shiloh was born she would have graduated in 2000, not 1999??

[ewwwinteresting]

:laugh: ...or shall we change your name to "Mysterallgydd (sounds Welsh!), and my name to cappucchynna, in keeping with the "cool" name spelling thang going on here? LOL]

[PrayersForMaura]

I'm sorry but I can't find anything in this site stating that Trena Smith was the sister of Raven....am I missing something? Besides, according to the year Shiloh was born she would have graduated in 2000, not 1999??Search for Raven Abaroa... under his name at the same high school is Shiloh Abaroa... click on Shiloh's page and it comes up with her name Trena Smith.

The years she attended list 1996 to 1999. She either dropped out, graduate early or switched schools.
http://www.classmates.com/cmo/user/school/list.jsp?startYear=1993&communityId=999&endYear=1997
Click on the second listing, Shiloh.

She either got married to a smith or changed her last name to Abaroa like Raven did ... Someone here on another thread mentioned that Smith was he real last name...

[PrayersForMaura]

I guess Shiloh has two myspace pages? Confused!!

I guess they also have a brother named Tim? I found some stuff on Janet's family history online but nothing about Raven's really except the things he posted on his site.
He has 4 sisters and brothers. Some are half.
Some of what I have found links the Arizona and San Diego connections...


http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14684098&Mytoken=20050604105640 (http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14684098&Mytoken=20050604105640)


A post to this Tim fella:


http://l350.myspace.com/00117/05/33/117233350_s.jpg (http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=14684098&Mytoken=20050604105959)
http://i.myspace.com/site/images/clear.gif


May 4, 2005 11:14 PM

Hey Tractor...or was that Snake? Well anyway, thanks for saying "hi" on myspace. I love you a lot and I miss you. Hope you are being good :-) See you in Arizona..... Luv your sis

a post from Tim to Shiloh:
(references the siblings)

Tim (http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=3643703&Mytoken=20050604105425)

http://e.myspace.com/00021/39/61/21581693_s.jpg (http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=3643703&Mytoken=20050604105425)
http://i.myspace.com/site/images/clear.gif


May 8, 2005 3:19 PM

Yeah it was both tratnor and snake (tnake) lol good times i have to find those old vids again, Can't wait for our fam trip that should be an awesome time! Well hope all is well Miss you lots and come back to San Diego soon so the sibs can get together! Ill be there the 4th o june cuz! 21 baby and TOM made me promise he would be my frist buy!

Luvs...Tim...


So far i know of
Shiloh (trena smith)
Derek
and now Tim

I am not trying to post anything bad about his family. Just helps to have the family tree outlined... I know when I read about other crimes like Jon Benet, Lori Hacking, Laci Peterson and others, there's always talk about the families and friends....
Sorry if this offends anyone... I feel like I'm posting on eggshells the last few days with everything going on...

[golfmom]

PFM

You Rock! Good find!

[PrayersForMaura]

howdy golfmommy! :blowkiss:

if those are both shiloh's sites (the original one and this new one)... wow, they are radically different.

I'm guessing this is one of their younger sisters, too...
http://www.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=10697790&Mytoken=20050604112220

Shiloh posted to her, and the post seemed family like. maybe a sister or cousin.

Also... wow, some of Raven's siblings all have different last names... I am confused by who is half and who is full....none of them posted about Janet that I could find. I'm guessing Shiloh is the glue holding them all together?

[golfmom]

howdy golfmommy! :blowkiss:


Also... wow, some of Raven's siblings all have different last names... I am confused by who is half and who is full....none of them posted about Janet that I could find. I'm guessing Shiloh is the glue holding them all together?

It's so hard to say with this family ... they seem to change their names more than some people change their underware.

[Thinkoflaura]

I am not trying to post anything bad about his family. Just helps to have the family tree outlined... I know when I read about other crimes like Jon Benet, Lori Hacking, Laci Peterson and others, there's always talk about the families and friends....
Sorry if this offends anyone... I feel like I'm posting on eggshells the last few days with everything going on...

Oh, PFM, please remember that the vast majority of us want justice for Janet. Every hidden thing we can uncover about Raven and Janet's life which is factual and substantiated may lead to another truth which we didn't know about.
Google and the Internet Archive has helped immensely in this case because Raven put so much online.. even though he did try mightily to erase it. :)

Thanks for what you found. I am going to spend some time at Myspace. I have a feeling this may have been one of the family's meeting places, as you have pointed out with the links..:)

[Thinkoflaura]

It's so hard to say with this family ... they seem to change their names more than some people change their underware.

Please read this article for what I believe is insight into a way of life we have never experienced. http://www.rickross.com/reference/irish_travelers/irish_travelers10.html

I see the Peters/ Abaroas as being a smaller version of the Irish Travelers/ Greenhorns. Just my opinion, of course. :)
This is about how the Irish Travelers/ Greenhorns lie, change their names, and commit petty crimes..
They were in the national spotlight when one of the young women, Madelyne Gorman Toogood, beat her 4 year old daughter in the rear seat of her car. It was all caught on video and she was in big trouble.

What strikes me is the clannishness, the changing names, the commission of thefts as they see fit, a lack of any stability at all in their family structure.

BTW, this article doesn't say so, but Toogood was not her true last name..

[PrayersForMaura]

Oh, PFM, please remember that the vast majority of us want justice for Janet. Every hidden thing we can uncover about Raven and Janet's life which is factual and substantiated may lead to another truth which we didn't know about.
Google and the Internet Archive has helped immensely in this case because Raven put so much online.. even though he did try mightily to erase it. :)

Thanks for what you found. I am going to spend some time at Myspace. I have a feeling this may have been one of the family's meeting places, as you have pointed out with the links..:)
yeah it seems like there is a party or something going on this weekend, maybe even today in Arizona with the family... I was picking up that it was a grandma's birthdy or something...

[Thinkoflaura]

yeah it seems like there is a party or something going on this weekend, maybe even today in Arizona with the family... I was picking up that it was a grandma's birthdy or something...

LOL, to be a fly on the wall.
Did you see my link above to a " wandering" group of people who are close relatives and change their names frequently as they move about, committing scams and crimes? This is a short and worthwhile read, IMO.
http://www.rickross.com/reference/i...ravelers10.html

It's very enlightening about a hidden way of life I didn't know existed .. Some things are quite different, but some are strikingly similar to what we know about the Peters/ Abaroa/ clan.
Raven seems to like clans.
He has a section devoted to them in his BLOG entry at the bottom of this page.
http://www.ravenstree.com/journal.htm

[lauriej]

..."my space" is the weirdest site.......

...doing a (friend ) search for "raven"...................there are 2216 posters there that go by that name..

..search "shiloh".( for ex. )...267 shiloh's...

...that's a weird set-up IMO , how on earth can one find their friends ?

...anyway...........i'm discounting the 'other' family names that we had previously ( credibly ) attached to raven through his own profile.....as being related to him simply by name........i still think now that the only real family members he has over there are those 2 on his profile/friends list.....

[PrayersForMaura]

..."my space" is the weirdest site.......

...doing a (friend ) search for "raven"...................there are 2216 posters there that go by that name..

..search "shiloh".( for ex. )...267 shiloh's...

...that's a weird set-up IMO , how on earth can one find their friends ?

...anyway...........i'm discounting the 'other' family names that we had previously ( credibly ) attached to raven through his own profile.....as being related to him simply by name........i still think now that the only real family members he has over there are those 2 on his profile/friends list.....
I am not sure i follow.
He himself has listed on his resume that he has a mother, step mother and 4 brother and 4 sisters.
Did you findinformation indicating otherwise? If so, please post!
thanks

[lauriej]

I am not sure i follow.
He himself has listed on his resume that he has a mother, step mother and 4 brother and 4 sisters.
Did you findinformation indicating otherwise? If so, please post!
thanks
.......hmmmmmmm..reading my own post back, i can see why you find it confusing!

...what i meant to say is, because it turns out that there are 266 accounts (!) @myspace that go by the name shiloh.
...reading posts by the 'other shiloh' , i don't think she's related at all to raven.

...i think that the only siblings raven has @ myspace are the 2 ( shiloh and derek) that he has listed under his friends list.

[PrayersForMaura]

.......hmmmmmmm..reading my own post back, i can see why you find it confusing!

...what i meant to say is, because it turns out that there are 266 accounts (!) @myspace that go by the name shiloh.
...reading posts by the 'other shiloh' , i don't think she's related at all to raven.

...i think that the only siblings raven has @ myspace are the 2 ( shiloh and derek) that he has listed under his friends list.
I see what you're saying! The reason I thought that the shiloh i found was also the shiloh who raven has listed is because she's from san diego and it seemed she looked like the same girl in raven's picture of her, plus she belonged to some of the same groups as his Shiloh...the two girls are the same height and have some common interests but their zodiacsignsare different so perhaps you are right. :)

thanks!

[Hummingbird]

http://web.archive.org/web/20010429232800/www.ravenstree.com/soccer_profile.htm
- Currently living in Fredericksburg, VA (since Oct. 99)
- Lived in Utah for 4 years
- Lived in San Diego, CA for 13 years
- Step-Father- Electrician
- Mother- Technology Sales
- 4 Sisters, 4 Brothers
I attended the funeral, and visited with Janet's family the next day. During that visit, Raven and family were also in attendance. The family there included Raven's mother (Karen/Karyn; she didn't spell it for me), his step-father (Jim), brothers Jacob and Derek (as spelled on the funeral program), and sister Shiloh. I had a conversation with them, and was trying to learn the birth order and names. (Sorry, I don't remember the birth order exactly.) Jacob and Derek Abaroa were listed as pallbearers, and an honorary pallbearer was Bryton Bolton (didn't meet this person). I don't know which, if any, of the step-siblings were in attendance, nor did I learn any of their names.

[Jenifred]

I attended the funeral, and visited with Janet's family the next day. During that visit, Raven and family were also in attendance. The family there included Raven's mother (Karen/Karyn; she didn't spell it for me), his step-father (Jim), brothers Jacob and Derek (as spelled on the funeral program), and sister Shiloh. I had a conversation with them, and was trying to learn the birth order and names. (Sorry, I don't remember the birth order exactly.) Jacob and Derek Abaroa were listed as pallbearers, and an honorary pallbearer was Bryton Bolton (didn't meet this person). I don't know which, if any, of the step-siblings were in attendance, nor did I learn any of their names.Do you know who Sue Abaroa Robinson is? She did a musical number in the program.

[golfmom]

I attended the funeral, and visited with Janet's family the next day. During that visit, Raven and family were also in attendance.

Did the two families (Janet's and Raven's) interact?

[Hummingbird]

Do you know who Sue Abaroa Robinson is? She did a musical number in the program.
She is Raven's aunt. I spoke with her husband after the funeral.

[Hummingbird]

Did the two families (Janet's and Raven's) interact?
There was some interaction. But, there was a bit of "staying with one's own" as well. We all tend to stay near the people we know best. Janet's parents were very gracious to everyone who attended.

[ewwwinteresting]

There was some interaction. But, there was a bit of "staying with one's own" as well. We all tend to stay near the people we know best. Janet's parents were very gracious to everyone who attended.
Welcome to the site Hummingbird. Glad to have your input!

Your statement about Janet's parents being gracious to everyone, for some reason, did not come as a surprise to me. The way everyone that knew Janet talked about her, you just know she came from a great family. Learned all of that graciousness from her parents, no doubt!

And then there's Raven......wonder what he learned from his family?

Sorry if somebody already asked you this, but can you tell us your opinion of Raven's actions at the funeral and after?

Thanks!

[golfmom]

Karyn Abaroa-Bolton
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:6M2If0IBIH4J:www.commerce.utah.gov/dre/Database_files/MTGPEP.PDF+Karyn+abaroa+bolton&hl=en

License in Utah for Karyn Abaroa-Bolton
#MF00073343
expired 11/30/04

I'm not sure what this license is for.

[ewwwinteresting]

Karyn Abaroa-Bolton
http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:6M2If0IBIH4J:www.commerce.utah.gov/dre/Database_files/MTGPEP.PDF+Karyn+abaroa+bolton&hl=en

License in Utah for Karyn Abaroa-Bolton
#MF00073343
expired 11/30/04

I'm not sure what this license is for.
Looks like "dre" means Division of Real Estate.

[cappuccina]

...thread...Also found a KAB in sales - posted that link too...

[ewwwinteresting]

...thread...Also found a KAB in sales - posted that link too...
Yes you did......missed that....sorry......good find on both of those sites!

[PrayersForMaura]

well this is all great info, sleuthers!! :)
thanks!

I need to pm Timex with some changes for the timeline... I have been so tired and busy lately. Sorry!

[Hummingbird]

Sorry if somebody already asked you this, but can you tell us your opinion of Raven's actions at the funeral and after?

Thanks!
I didn't see the behavior I expected to see, based on my personal past experiences with those who have lost a close family member. I know people grieve differently, but there was quite a different feeling from what I expected to see from a young husband and father who had just lost his wife and the mother of his child.

At the funeral there were moments when he was seen sitting with his head in his hands, sobbing profusely. Alternately, there were periods when we was visiting with family and friends quite calmly. This includes the time in the building before, during and after the services. His behavior contrasted with that of Janet's parents and siblings, who carried more of a constant demeanor of controlled grief.

[ewwwinteresting]

:dance:Now if I can only think of something to post to this thread, I can be having a conversation with myself on almost all the threads:dance:

[reportergirl]

I came across this forum while researching online. I joined primarily to help get you more accurate information about Raven's family and background. I grew up with Raven and his family lives down the street from mine in Utah.

I'll start with the whole name changing thing. From what I have read, many of you believe Raven's family changes their names frequently. This is really not the case. When Raven and his siblings were fairly young in CA, his parents divorced and from what I understand, when the children moved away from their father to Utah, they took on their mother's maiden name, Abaroa, and from what I remember, it was because they did not want to be connected with their father anymore. So, they dropped the 'Peters' from their name when they were very young. They were all Abaroa when they moved into my neighborhood when Raven was around 14 or so. When some of the children got a little older, they more or less started maintaining more of a relationship with their father and so took back on the 'Peters' name as a hyphen, Abaroa-Peters, etc.

To say that name changing is a common practice would be truly false.

Karyn is his mother, and he comes from a very good family. Our families are very close and have been since they moved in.

[Chica]

ReporterGirl - thank you so much for the clarification. Anytime we can get FACTS rather than SPECULATION is of great assistance.

[SouthEastSleuth]

I came across this forum while researching online. I joined primarily to help get you more accurate information about Raven's family and background. I grew up with Raven and his family lives down the street from mine in Utah.

I'll start with the whole name changing thing. From what I have read, many of you believe Raven's family changes their names frequently. This is really not the case. When Raven and his siblings were fairly young in CA, his parents divorced and from what I understand, when the children moved away from their father to Utah, they took on their mother's maiden name, Abaroa, and from what I remember, it was because they did not want to be connected with their father anymore. So, they dropped the 'Peters' from their name when they were very young. They were all Abaroa when they moved into my neighborhood when Raven was around 14 or so. When some of the children got a little older, they more or less started maintaining more of a relationship with their father and so took back on the 'Peters' name as a hyphen, Abaroa-Peters, etc.

To say that name changing is a common practice would be truly false.

Karyn is his mother, and he comes from a very good family. Our families are very close and have been since they moved in.
Hi reportergirl -

Thank you SO much for joining. One of the more interesting aspects of this case is hearing from individuals who knew both Raven and/or Janet personally. So you thoughts, opinions, etc., are well welcomed here!

So, if I may ask, when you first heard about Janet's murder, what were your thoughts, etc.? And in reading many of the posts here, it's easy to discern that there's much speculation on Raven, as the perpetrator. Do you have thoughts and/or opinions on that, specifically??

Any info you are willing to provide would be extremely helpful, rest assured!

[reportergirl]

My first instinct from hearing about the murder is that Raven is innocent. He is a generally goo-natured and good hearted person. I remember when they met and I met Janet for the first time seeing how very much in love they were. Everytime I have talked to him or his family, they talk about how much in love they are still, from the first time they met.

I just really don't think that Raven has it in him to harm a fly.
Another thing I want to maybe clear up is about his online activity on myspace.com. Someone posted that he listed single. I wanted to check for myself, so I found his listing. It did indeed say single, but I wanted to see if this was because he just didn't take the time to fill everything out when he signed up. So, I tested it out and signed up myself. It did indeed list single automatically when I clicked on 'complete personal information later.' Often people don't want to take the time to go through and answer the questions. Takes too long.

I also know that his younger brother Derek and sister Shiloh are big into myspace.com, so I speculate that he joined to communicate with them, as they are not living in the same state.

Also, when he signed on just after Janet's death, he did so to read a poem his brother posted on his blog about her death. Raven posted a reply to his brother's poem on the date in question, a heartfelt 'she loved you so much, Derek.'

I'm going to a movie right now, but when I get back I will check again and try to clear up anything else I can.

[JerseyGirl]

Also, when he signed on just after Janet's death, he did so to read a poem his brother posted on his blog about her death. Raven posted a reply to his brother's poem on the date in question, a heartfelt 'she loved you so much, Derek.'Thanks for joining us, reportergirl. :)

I have a couple of questions about the statement above. If Derek wanted to write a poem for his sister-in-law, doesn't MySpace seem a bit impersonal to do so? And if he wrote it there, how did he inform Raven about it? E-mail, phone? It seems to me that maybe it would have been just as easy (if not easier) to read the poem to Raven over the phone or to e-mail it to Raven. I've been extremely fortunate to never have experienced such an unspeakable tragedy so I don't know if there's a privacy issue like that or not but MySpace just seems like such a wide-open place that I would think that maybe something as special and as personal as the poem for Janet might be preferred kept between those close to her. But as I said, I've never experienced something like this, and we all know that everyone is different.

Thanks again for registering here. I look forward to reading more of your posts.

[Timex]

Again, im not sure how much I would read into that. Mark Lunsford often came in chat and spoke about very personal things, as well as quoted scripture, shared poems he had received etc. This was all while Jess was still missing, and he wasnt even a techie.

The internet has became a place to post such memories. Since the internet was their way of communicating, I really dont find it strange that his brother posted such a poem online, but that's just how I see it.

[reportergirl]

Jersey girl,


If you look at all of Derek's online activity, his myspace is more like a journal than a way to communicate. He probably told Raven to look online to read the entry. It's pretty typical for Derek, he sort of dances to the beat of his own drum, often posting poetry and intimate thoughts on myspace for friends and family. It appears to be more of an outlet for him than verbal forms of communication.

[JerseyGirl]

Jersey girl,


If you look at all of Derek's online activity, his myspace is more like a journal than a way to communicate. He probably told Raven to look online to read the entry. It's pretty typical for Derek, he sort of dances to the beat of his own drum, often posting poetry and intimate thoughts on myspace for friends and family. It appears to be more of an outlet for him than verbal forms of communication.I guess I can understand that; lots of us are more comfortable expressing ourselves in writing. Thanks for your response.