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Doyle
02-13-2004, 07:50 AM
thanks to Twinz for this tribute...

http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/angel70/dani.swf

VespaElf
05-14-2004, 04:02 PM
I know Danielle Van Dam's abduction/murder was solved and the killer is ,thankfully behind bars,but I have a question and wasn't sure where to ask!

Anyhow............shortly after Westerfield's sentencing the Van Dam's appeared on Court TV and alluded to evidence/information about the case and Westerfield that was NOT allowed into the hearing but now that he was convicted it would all be coming out (I remember Mrs.Van Dam stated that there was, prior to Danielle's murder,instances of Westerfield "stalking" girls in their neighborhood etc) Well I have not heard anything further about this and was wondering if anyone had any links/book reconmendations or info to pass along because although this case has been solved I'd still like some follow-up.


Thanks!!!

Ghostwheel
05-15-2004, 01:18 AM
If David Westerfield is going for an Appeal, I don't think they can release anything yet.

That is my understanding.

mic730
06-27-2004, 02:50 PM
I followed that case and I think a lot of it was the videos were he had secretly taped a neighbor while she was working out in her home. The blinds were set so he could spy from his house. It was not presented in trial from what I remember.
Was that what you were looking for?
Michelle

Gypsy
04-19-2005, 11:09 PM
Hello all, just wanted to share this story with you all, I know many have followed this case and the SDUT crowd seems to be involved so keep your eye's out for news, I would be interested in anything you all find as this come out in San Diego. Thanks!....Gypsy

Rapist's 'confessions' could reopen a case

James A. Selby wrote that he murdered a San Diego girl in 2002 in a high-profile case.

AJ.Flick
Tucson Citizen

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Link to story in Tucson Citizen
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/index.php?page=local&story_id=041905a5_selby

Looks like the Dave is innocent crowd found "the real killer of Danielle Van Dam. Well at least, they found a letter they could use from the person they claim real killer of Danielle Van Dam. I have been posting at UT and didn't believe they had the letter at all! Now this! I still think he's guilty but have to give them credit... they found this confession.

bbmcrae
04-20-2005, 12:43 AM
Apparently, Mr. Selby also once claimed to have killed JonBenet Ramsey. Did he also kidnap the Lindbergh baby and build Stonehenge? Westerfield's supporters could be on to a gold mine here!

Gypsy
04-20-2005, 11:01 AM
Apparently, Mr. Selby also once claimed to have killed JonBenet Ramsey. Did he also kidnap the Lindbergh baby and build Stonehenge? Westerfield's supporters could be on to a gold mine here!Funny I said the same thing, it's a nightmare over there now that they have this to beat me over the head with. Just wanted to let the gang over here know cause I know many people followed the trial. I believe Westerfield is guilty and nothing but solid proof will change that.

I also razzed them about Jon Benet and the comments. I can't wait to find out what Dusek and all will have to say it about and of course I think that the "David Westerfield Review Board... is probably more like the the same people from SDUT and their network. Of course they are not to happy with right now..:laugh: Grrrrr... so I thought I would get some idea of what people on my fav forum will think about it all and the Van Dam's having to deal with it... grrrrr.

Hey, if I honestly thought that this was really likely it would be different but I really believe that Selby was not even in the area at that time. There is a lot of info for him on the internent and it's all wrong. Not to mention David did it... ANYHOOO..was angry at the butt whippin I was getting for demanding proof of their claims and asking them to share the letters for all to see on the forum. See they have them, but they only wanted to share with the NG side and just tease us crazy G posters...grrr...

Well, glad to see that there are still people on the G side... ROFL ..like the rest of the world outside the forums.

Tricia should follow up on this one and get the scoop, it should be a hot topic.. if the general media gets wind and brings it out more!

Till then, I stick with Westerfield Guilty. Selby sick convict and dead by own hand.

Gypsy

Rag Doll 02
04-20-2005, 11:14 AM
Westerfield is guilty as sin !!

They better not re-open this case. If I have to listen to that 'bug' and 'insect eggs' testimony etc again...... oh Lordy, I dont have the strength.

I'm just kidding about the testimony. I hope they dont re-open this case again because they proved their case against Westerfield the first time

Gypsy
04-20-2005, 11:33 AM
Westerfield is guilty as sin !!

They better not re-open this case. If I have to listen to that 'bug' and 'insect eggs' testimony etc again...... oh Lordy, I dont have the strength.

I'm just kidding about the testimony. I hope they dont re-open this case again because they proved their case against Westerfield the first time
Well, If I had an honest belief that Selby might be resposible because the case was weak or none of Danielle's DNA and such were not all over his eviornment and such. I would say yes! Test the DNA etc..let's be sure, give Westerfield the benefit of that at least.. fine.

But when you try to throw in forum games and insults of G side arguments and such. It's not funny. Hey, if you claim you all have info that's going to free Westerfield put up or shut up. I pushed it far and they lost it! Now this story come out and it shows that they were telling the truth.

So it would stand to reason that the "other information" that The David Westerfield Review Group.. (mentioned in article) would most likely be the very people at UT who brought it up and that they are trying to build a case to reopen the Van Dam case based on the Selby confession and there adamant harping that ...David was framed by SDLE, Holmes/Dusek/Phingst.

Of course we on the Guilty side for the last years will not buy it and it's just a big ole slug fest. I had to get some feedback here. Because I just can't buy and never did.....that there was ever a really part of the general public who thought David was falsley convicted. His brothe in law used to post here and also there. During the trial there were several forums in play. I just see it being nuts again if they manage to pull it off. It's sad for the Van Dam's, it's bad enough they'll have to deal with the appeals. When this really gets out to the public, it will just start the nightmare up for them all over again, because some one found a way to muck up the system with a what IMO...will turn out to be a false confession. No way did Dusek/Phingst and other do all that they are accused of. It's just a huge farce and really sad to see.

Gypsy

blueclouds
04-20-2005, 11:58 AM
Maybe we can mix these threads. I started one yesterday in the Jury Room.

HELLO MODS???

Gypsy
04-20-2005, 12:45 PM
Maybe we can mix these threads. I started one yesterday in the Jury Room.

HELLO MODS???
Cool! I'll go check it out..

BirdieBoo
04-20-2005, 12:51 PM
This hasn't been in the San Diego news at all, as far as I've seen.

Gypsy
04-20-2005, 01:04 PM
This hasn't been in the San Diego news at all, as far as I've seen.
No but there has been a huge debate and much game playing at the UT forum and then I found the story by AJ Flick yesterday, I posted it at the top of this thread. She writes for the Tucson Citzen, it's a long story but we have been going round and round on this for a good week solid at UT..

A group called "The Westerfield Review" are the ones who sent a letter from Selby confessing to the crimes to the California DA's Innocence Project.

I can't prove it but anyone who was here back during the trial and read the SDUT and forums knows exactly what I am saying. I don't buy that Selby did it, I have researching storys and such as have other posters, who like I, believe that David Westerfield was indeed found guilty in a fair trial and Selby was probably giving a false confession to avoid extradition to California.

His MO really doesn't fit, though the Westerfield Supporters will tell you it does... blah, blah,

I have been contending in our arguments that Westerfield really never had a true or large group of supporters who were really "The General Public" and that it is this group who were all close to DW's brother in law and others who have actually gone on to start taking phone calls from and writing to Westerfield. At any rate very long story. I do suggest you take a look at the threads over on the Union Tribune forum.. it does seem that they have really found some way to push for a re-opening of Danielle's case.

G

packerdog
04-20-2005, 01:25 PM
I haven't checked out the UT forum yet today, to tell you the truth I am affraid that I will put my fist throught my computer screen if I read over there. Is John, the BIL posting at the UT?

BirdieBoo
04-20-2005, 01:26 PM
No but there has been a huge debate and much game playing at the UT forum and then I found the story by AJ Flick yesterday, I posted it at the top of this thread. She writes for the Tucson Citzen, it's a long story but we have been going round and round on this for a good week solid at UT..

A group called "The Westerfield Review" are the ones who sent a letter from Selby confessing to the crimes to the California DA's Innocence Project.

I can't prove it but anyone who was here back during the trial and read the SDUT and forums knows exactly what I am saying. I don't buy that Selby did it, I have researching storys and such as have other posters, who like I, believe that David Westerfield was indeed found guilty in a fair trial and Selby was probably giving a false confession to avoid extradition to California.

His MO really doesn't fit, though the Westerfield Supporters will tell you it does... blah, blah,

I have been contending in our arguments that Westerfield really never had a true or large group of supporters who were really "The General Public" and that it is this group who were all close to DW's brother in law and others who have actually gone on to start taking phone calls from and writing to Westerfield. At any rate very long story. I do suggest you take a look at the threads over on the Union Tribune forum.. it does seem that they have really found some way to push for a re-opening of Danielle's case.

GI really highly doubt this is going to be re-opened in San Diego. Remember how during Peterson's trial, Geragos kept making a motion to have the whole trial thrown out? I think it all falls under the category (in these people's minds) of "Doesn't hurt to ask."

It's very telling to me that this is in the Tucson paper but not in the San Diego news.

Casshew
04-20-2005, 01:26 PM
Westerfield is guilty as sin !!


:clap:

What she said!

Gypsy
04-20-2005, 01:55 PM
I really highly doubt this is going to be re-opened in San Diego. Remember how during Peterson's trial, Geragos kept making a motion to have the whole trial thrown out? I think it all falls under the category (in these people's minds) of "Doesn't hurt to ask."

It's very telling to me that this is in the Tucson paper but not in the San Diego news.During our MANY.. days of blow out at UT.. I told them that they should write to her because she was the only one who interviewed Selby in Arizona before he died and that they should share all there secret info with her if they were serious and had all this proof and a large group of supporters..

Funny now that very reporter writes an article in Tucson, the reason it would come out there is that he was convicted of serial rapes in Tucson and he was also wanted by San Diego for the Banker's hill rapes. He was connected to those by DNA. He was a bad guy, serial rapist. They claim that they know much more than they will share and honestly believe not only, that the case will be re-openend but that it is going to exonerate Westerfield.

The funny thing is though... "David Westerfield Review" sent this info and the letters to the California DA's Innocence Project. I did some quick research and lo and behold... It's Woody Clark that started that and works on the cases sent to them.

Imagine what he thought when he get's the confession, (which SDLE, should know about they had an open investigation on Selby) and I am guessing but if it's the group I'm thinking of they are going to also claim that David was framed by Dusek,Clark, Phingst... and a whole cast of LE and others...

So, I guess they are asking Woody Clark and his team to investigate themselves...I want an answer... I want to know that NO WAY... did this guy do it. Just so they have to stop... He claimed to Jon Benet too!

Gypsy

Gypsy
04-20-2005, 08:53 PM
Apparently, Mr. Selby also once claimed to have killed JonBenet Ramsey. Did he also kidnap the Lindbergh baby and build Stonehenge? Westerfield's supporters could be on to a gold mine here!
Ya got that right.. I noted that the Lindburg baby had 200 confessors:doh:

Gypsy

bbmcrae
04-21-2005, 12:10 AM
I took a look at the SDUT board...quite a group. So there are groupies who spend their days "fighting" for Westerfield. I guess nothing surprises me anymore. (Okay, this surprises me.)

I read the Wichita Eagle board during the BTK arrest. There were some delusional claims there-for example, that there was a "group" of BTKs operating in the city, a sort of serial killer secret society. And that various posts by the members cracked the case, which was not true at all, as far as I know.

I have a feeling this will blow over by May. The claim by Selby is laughable and transparent. But I guess Westerfield's buddies will go on fighting for the s.o.b. It'd be sad if it wasn't so creepy and annoying.

I hear, in addition to the Lindbergh baby and Stonehenge, Selby is also responsible for the Zodiac killings, the breakup of the Beatles, and the Shroud of Turin. He was a busy little scumbag.

bbmcrae
04-21-2005, 12:11 AM
Btw, Gypsy, thanks for all the inside scoops on this!

Gypsy
04-21-2005, 02:20 AM
I haven't checked out the UT forum yet today, to tell you the truth I am affraid that I will put my fist throught my computer screen if I read over there. Is John, the BIL posting at the UT?
No not on those forums... I haven't really seen him post anything on the case itself in a very long time. He has friends there though who claim to email him and a few who have met him. He is silent on the matter at this point.

G

Gypsy
04-21-2005, 02:27 AM
I took a look at the SDUT board...quite a group. So there are groupies who spend their days "fighting" for Westerfield. I guess nothing surprises me anymore. (Okay, this surprises me.)

I read the Wichita Eagle board during the BTK arrest. There were some delusional claims there-for example, that there was a "group" of BTKs operating in the city, a sort of serial killer secret society. And that various posts by the members cracked the case, which was not true at all, as far as I know.

I have a feeling this will blow over by May. The claim by Selby is laughable and transparent. But I guess Westerfield's buddies will go on fighting for the s.o.b. It'd be sad if it wasn't so creepy and annoying.

I hear, in addition to the Lindbergh baby and Stonehenge, Selby is also responsible for the Zodiac killings, the breakup of the Beatles, and the Shroud of Turin. He was a busy little scumbag.
LOL, your welcome on the other post... It looks like the group submitted this info to the Northern California Innocence Project and according to the article I posted that is the group who would be reviewing the case for the DW support group... it's interesting to note that the Innocence project they are asking to investigate their claims ... was founded by Paul Phingst and Woody Clark... wonder what they will think of the claims this group uses... that CLARK, Dusek and Phingst along with LE framed David and Planted evidence.

I do hope their finding will be available to the public.. but the David Westerfield Review Group... won't tell...it's a secret...:dance:

Here's a link to the group there are many articles about their very serious work. I wish I could be there while they dig into the review of the case..

http://www.cwsl.edu/main/default.asp?nav=cip.asp&body=cip/home.asp

Gypsy
04-28-2005, 06:43 PM
Hi All,

Just wanted to update on this story. Tonight on KFMB they are doing a story on David Westerfield. I'm on the East Coast so if any of you want to catch it and fill me in the details later, it would sure be appreciated. These are supposed to be new letter's and to contain a the name of the "real Killer'

A LOCAL 8 News Exclusive: Letters From Death Row
http://www.kfmb.com/
New at 5:00: David Westerfield sits on death row, awaiting his execution. We'll have shocking letters written exclusively to LOCAL 8 from the man accused of killing Danielle Van Dam, and he drops a bombshell - who he says the real killer is.

I have already stated MO...:banghead:

Jeana (DP)
04-28-2005, 07:05 PM
Thanks for the heads up Gypsy.

Gypsy
04-29-2005, 12:10 PM
Thanks for the heads up Gypsy.
You are most welcome, I have been discussing this for awhile at one of those "other" forums.. I wonder Jeana if it might be possible to merge this thread with the one that BlueCloud started. I had seen it when I posted the AJ Flick article.

I really did think it was discussion worthy. Still trying to blame SOD...hehe

Thanks so much. I am so glad I found the new forum again. I got lost in all the shuffle's. This is still my favorite but on occaison's such as this with DW. I do get drug back into defending the Van Dam's and calling certain other's on "other forums" on the mis-information the put out to the public. You have been around long enough to understand the whole background and who those supporter's may be. Same stuff, different day IMO. That's why I like it here. I see you went through another change of hands, eh? It's still good ole WB1.

Hugz,
:dance:
Gypsy

PrettyGirlMe
12-29-2005, 06:07 PM
I remember when this case was in the news. My friend, who is a true crime buff recently reminded me of Danielle. Hearing about her again makes me want to cry. Poor child killed by somebody she thought was a friend. My friend--know as Keke--designed a web site for Danielle (www.geocities.com/d_van_dam (http://www.geocities.com/d_van_dam)). There she has graphics and pictures.

PrettyGirlMe
12-29-2005, 06:12 PM
Danielle was born on September 22, 1994 in Texas. Her mother Brenda Van Dam is a stay-at-home mom and her father Damon Van Dam is software engineer for Qualcomm. Her parents have been married for 13 years and she has two brothers Dylen and Derrick.

Danielle lived in the Sabre Springs area during the night of February 1,2002. Her mother, Brenda, had planned a night out with some girlfriends while Damon van Dam agreed to stay home with Danielle and her two brothers. When Brenda van Dam's friends arrived at the family home, the adults drank beer and at one point, ducked into the garage to share a joint. Then Brenda and her friends set out for a local bar.

The last time Damon van Dam saw his daughter, she was falling asleep in her four-poster bed with a toothy grin on her face and Mickey Mouse earrings dangling from her ears. As her father planted a goodnight kiss on her forehead that Friday, few places seemed safer than Danielle's lilac and pink bedroom in her family's upscale home in suburban San Diego.

EDITED BY DP DUE TO COPYRIGHT VIOLATION

gardenmom
12-29-2005, 09:55 PM
We will never forget Danielle. She is the reason I came here three years ago. This website was absolutely great about gathering information and clues, and following the trial and seeing that justice was done. She was a beautiful girl, and I admire her family for sticking their necks out no matter what the cost to see that her killer was brought to justice. God bless Danielle.

Bobbisangel
12-30-2005, 05:22 AM
I didn't really follow the trial and hadn't discovered web sites like this when Danielle was murdered. I really started following trials and cases when Laci went missing. I had heard about Danielle's murder though on the news.

I've listened to Brenda talk on different programs and have gotten to know Danielle through her mom. A heartbreaking story. I'm so glad that creep is sitting on death row.

I don't think that Danielle will ever be forgotten. She is one that reached out and touched an awful lot of people.

Rocky
01-01-2006, 06:17 PM
It's hard to believe that 4 years have passed since Danielle disappeared...

Last year at my daughter's birthday party, 1 weekend before the Anniversary of when she was kidnapped, the doorbell upstairs went off 3 times, once for each year Danielle has been missing, no one was up there, and no explaination why it went off...

other than a wonderful little angel we will never forget...

PrettyGirlMe
01-02-2006, 03:48 PM
My friend and I sure won't forget Danielle. Here's a collage my friend designed for her. My friend's picture is on the collage--I really don't know why. I asked her why she put her picture there but she gave no real answer.

http://www.geocities.com/angels_resort/daniellecollage.jpg

PrettyGirlMe
01-04-2006, 09:33 PM
If you can't see the photos, please go into your private messages and click "edit options" which is on the left hand side of the screen. Scroll down a bit and check the box for "show images".

gajonka
08-01-2011, 11:10 PM
It appears Websleuths HAS forgotten about DVD. Where are the posts, the info?
This is a terrible case. The bahavior of the killer must be preserved to apply in future cases.
The G

eileenhawkeye
08-02-2011, 12:13 AM
I don't think WS has forgotten about Danielle. This forum has been around since 1997, but the earliest posts that are available to read are from 2003. There probably was a lot of discussion about the Van Dam case when it was happening, but those posts aren't available anymore. Danielle's case was solved nine years ago, and is not considered a mystery, so that would explain the lack of discussion about it.

Sleuthie_lu
08-02-2011, 02:32 PM
http://pageantuniversity.com/Quilts/dan1.jpg

I don't think Websleuths ever forgot about Danielle. At the time Websleuths was very much into the crime and following trial.

There were so many things about this case and the personalities surrounding it that struck us close to home and made us become closer and more keen on justice.

What you see in this photo is a quilt hand made by members of Websleuths for Danielle's family. Quilt squares came from all over the world and I had the pleasure of putting them together like this. It was then given to Mrs Van Dam as a comfort quilt. Each square was lovingly made from Danielles favorite colors of Purple and Pink and showed her love of ballet and animals among other things.

Back then, as now. WS was a committed group of caring individuals.

(Now, don't get me started on DHP!!!)

Openmyeyes
08-02-2011, 05:56 PM
Actually I brought up the mother of Danielles murderer during the CA trial because I never forgot her. She was a very quiet woman, and took the bus to the trial of her son every day. SHE TOOK THE BUS?!!! The media didn't hound her, and she never sought them out to say a word about her murdering son. She knew the truth and suffered silently. It came down to a hair, Danielles handprint on DW's headboard in the motor home and an adult niece of DW recalling how he came into her room one night when she was a child and rubbed her teeth while she was sleeping.

I will never forget Danielle or the trial and I wonder if the Pinellas 12 would have found him not quilty too.

Melanie
08-02-2011, 06:03 PM
I will never forget DVD! I often wonder how the family is holding up. Last I heard they moved out of the home, and Damon is still working at QUALCOMM. I don't know if they are still together, but hope so. Last time I saw Brenda she was attending an event for Chelsea's light.

Mel

Salem
05-29-2012, 10:21 PM
Bump, I'm going to change the title on this thread and move it to Awaiting Trials as Westerfield has filed an appeal.

Salem

nursebeeme
05-29-2012, 10:33 PM
http://www.10news.com/news/30435808/detail.html

article on the appeal of the death penalty (from 3 months ago)

Littleone48
05-30-2012, 12:16 AM
http://www.10news.com/news/30435808/detail.html

article on the appeal of the death penalty (from 3 months ago)

Here is a book that was written about the evidence, the trial and the history of the case. Trust me, it's not a book you want to take to the beach to read :).

Amazon.com: Rush to Judgement: a critical examination of the David Westerfield, Danielle van Dam child kidnapping and murder case, San Diego 2002 (9781460956977) (http://www.amazon.com/Rush-Judgement-examination-Westerfield-kidnapping/dp/1460956974)

Tink56
06-23-2012, 01:03 AM
Here is a book that was written about the evidence, the trial and the history of the case. Trust me, it's not a book you want to take to the beach to read :).

Amazon.com: Rush to Judgement: a critical examination of the David Westerfield, Danielle van Dam child kidnapping and murder case, San Diego 2002 (9781460956977): C Stevenson: Books (http://www.amazon.com/Rush-Judgement-examination-Westerfield-kidnapping/dp/1460956974)

The book is a vanity publication written by an "unknown" author. Notice there is no identification of the writer. Probably written by one of the posters who posts daily at the local San Diego paper.

Littleone48
09-22-2012, 01:26 PM
The book is a vanity publication written by an "unknown" author. Notice there is no identification of the writer. Probably written by one of the posters who posts daily at the local San Diego paper.

Yes the book was written by one of the UT's daily posters with the help of several other people including Westerfield's ex BIL who to this day maintains that Westerfield is innocent.

I have the full PDF of the appeal and I will figure out how to link it here.