OH-Missing Carrie Culberson

[findcarrie]

I was recommended by WasBlind about this message board a while back. I thought that I would post the information regarding a missing person by the name of Carrie Culberson. She disappeared on Wednesday, August 28, 1996 from Blanchester OH.

Please visit if you have some spare time.

www.findcarrieculberson.com

[Casshew]

Please visit if you have some spare time.

www.findcarrieculberson.com

Thank you for posting the link to Carrie's site.... she is such a pretty girl, I hope the family gets the answers they need soon.

Good Luck,

Cassie

[gardenmom]

Hi, good website, but if you don't mind me saying the white text on black is really hard on the eyes. Maybe I'm just get old, though! I hope she is found some day.

[findcarrie]

Today was supposed to be the memorial for Carrie Culberson. A tip came earlier in the week about a barn with a concrete floor that was poured a few days after Carrie disappeared and it was owned by a friend of the accused boyfriend Vincent Doan.
They have been digging all day today taking up the floor after a cadavar dog picked up what was believed to be Carrie Culberson's scent. I had received an email earlier today but it has not been confirmed - from a Cincinatti PI who said they had located a body in the concrete from sonar but no one knows if it's Carrie yet. I dont know if this is true yet.
This case is breaking at a very strange time but we are grateful. We just hope that this is not an attempt by the Baker family to stop the memorial that was to be held today for Carrie. I am positive about this and I will post ANYTHING if it's indeed her. Please think of us all tonight & tomorrow.

JILL (lovespellcaster &findcarrie)
www.findcarrieculberson.com

[nanandjim]

... I am positive about this and I will post ANYTHING if it's indeed her. Please think of us all tonight & tomorrow.

JILL (lovespellcaster &findcarrie)
www.findcarrieculberson.com
Jill - My husband and I lived in the Cincinnati area when this happened. I have mentioned on the Laci Peterson forum how many false eyewitnesses stated they saw Carrie after she disappeared. I can't tell you how glad I was to see Vince Doan convicted and also his brother. I am just sorry that the father wasn't convicted. too. I feel they all knew and helped Vince cover it up and dispose of Carrie. Please let us know if Carrie has been found.

[mindys]

Search delayed because of rain:

Plans to continue to dig for the possible remains of Carrie Culberson in Brown County are on hold.

Searchers were scheduled to return to scene of the investigation but because of the rain, they will spend the day pumping water instead.

The 22-year old Blanchester woman disappeared almost eight-years ago.

Crews have spent the past two days digging inside a pole barn located off of Fayetteville-Blanchester Road. On Saturday searchers removed the barn's cement floor to begin the painstaking process of digging through dirt and gravel.


http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/05/02/culberson_noon.html

[findcarrie]

I want to tell you all that Vincent Doan has a website and I think it's important that you all see this and here's why. I want you to take a look at the way this website is maintained and just how distasteful it is. I recognize that anybody has a right to have support, but does it have to be represented in this fashion?
The news media has even seen this.
I tell ya, I dont care being called every name in the book if my efforts have caused such a rucus that what was one a semi-cold case to get moving again and bring somebody out who would finally give Carrie back to her family. I hope that tomorrow is finally the day

www.findcarrieculberson.com

www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan

[mindys]

The first two sentences said all I needed to read, 888 YEARS, Convicted of Murder. :loser:

[nanandjim]

I looked at the "Free Vince" website. I guess that it was one big conspiracy against Vince and his family. They certainly leave out quite a bit of facts, don't they? I almost signed the guestbook, stating my belief in his guilt. However, I thought better of it. I certainly wouldn't want any trouble from this clan. They are a scary bunch.

[findcarrie]

By: JUSTIN STORY, Staff Writer
Submitted: 5/6/2004


FAYETTEVILLE, Ohio -- As investigators continue to search for the body of Clarissa 'Carrie' Culberson, Carrie's mother Debra Culberson remains resolute that this latest effort will be successful.

'I have no reason not to be optimistic,' said Culberson shortly after authorities concluded another day of work at the site of a barn on Fayetteville-Blanchester Road about a mile from the Clinton County border.

Several family members wore buttons with Carrie's picture on them, and a sign was placed across from the entrance to the property where investigators are conducting their search.

The sign reads, 'Justice for Carrie -- Disappeared but not forgotten.'

Carrie, 22, disappeared in 1996 and was declared dead two years later.

Her boyfriend, Vincent Doan, was convicted in 1997 of her murder and is currently serving a life sentence.

Doan's brother, Tracey Baker, is serving an eight-year sentence for obstruction of justice related to the case.

A third cadaver dog brought to the site Wednesday picked up a scent, but dug in many areas of the barn. Two other dogs dug in the exact same spot.

Brown County Chief Deputy John Dunn said the newest cadaver dog had less experience, but added that the sheriff's department wanted the handler to observe and comment on the search.

'He came in to look at our site and assess what the dogs were doing,' said Dunn.

In addition to a cadaver dog, another expert, forensic anthropologist Dr. Beth Murray, visited the site during the morning to also observe the searching process.

Authorities at the scene said Murray encouraged investigators to continue as they had been doing and did not suggest altering their methods.

Murray, from the College of Mount St. Joseph, has identified human remains and determined cause of death in several previous criminal cases in the area.

As the family waits for another breakthrough, Debra Culberson receives daily support from passersby, whether friends or strangers.

A man driving a pickup truck gave her a single red rose and a note of encouragement Wednesday.

'Hoping you can finally put your daughter to rest in peace with God and that this will be your greatest Mother's Day ever,' the note reads. Culberson said she did not know the person who gave her the gifts.

'It's nice to know there are people I don't even know who are still thinking of us,' she said.

Tuesday, she received a dozen red roses and one yellow rose.

Dunn, meanwhile, said a fourth cadaver dog would be brought to the scene today, primarily to reconfirm that a scent other dogs have detected is traceable to a specific spot under the disturbed ground beneath the barn's concrete floor.

Earlier discussion of tearing down a wall of the barn in order to accommodate heavier equipment will not be acted upon, according to Dunn, who said he 'doesn't see a problem' with a larger machine fitting into the building.

In another development, Jarrod Messer, the owner of the property housing the barn, has been transferred from prison in Montgomery County to Warren County, Ohio.

Messer is serving a two-year sentence for charges unrelated to this case.

'We're interviewing everybody associated with the case,' said Dunn. 'We've put him closer to us in case investigators need him for something.'

[Juliana]

http://www.wkrc.com/breaking/story.aspx?content_id=680C5984-7235-4CC7-BBBE-341A58B3D878

More news. It sounds like they may be getting close to finding Carrie.

[nanandjim]

More news. It sounds like they may be getting close to finding Carrie.
I read another article that said that the Culberson's were called to the site to identify one item that was found beneath the ground and that the sister was visibly upset. The police won't say what the item was, only that it is usual for it to be so far beneath the ground.

I wonder if it was her purse. I wish that the guy who owns the land would just tell them what is going on. I guess that he's denying any knowledge of knowing that cement was poured, etc....

Wonder if Mr. Innocent Vince is sweating bullets about now...

I also wonder who called in the tip and if it will pan out. It looks like they are getting close at least to finding her personal items. God knows where Carrie might be. Vince thinks that he is smarter than everyone, just like most criminals.

[findcarrie]

New Article:

The arrival of the two coroners, the prosecutor and another cadavor dog at pole barn in Perry Township this morning is creating more questions than answers. Last week Fox 19 was told the coroner would not be called unless something significant had been found.

Yesterday after finding several "items" Carrie Culberson's family consulted with the Brown County Sherrif and then left the barn. During the search Debbie Culberson has spoken to the media each day but last night left without comment. No one will say exactly what the "items" might be just that it is unusual to find them buried so deep in the ground.

Culberson's ex-boyfriend Vince Doan was convicted in her murder. He is spending life in prison. Family and friends of Doan and his brother Tracey, who was also convicted in Carrie's disappearance, say they both are innocent.

Earlier, in the week long search a hair found inside the pole barn was sent to a crime lab. They determined it does not belong to Culberson. We have crew on the scene. Stay tuned to Fox19 and Fox19.com for more details.

http://www.fox19.com/Global/story.asp?S=1850954&nav=0zHFMxM4

[nanandjim]

...Culberson's ex-boyfriend Vince Doan was convicted in her murder. He is spending life in prison. Family and friends of Doan and his brother Tracey, who was also convicted in Carrie's disappearance, say they both are innocent. ...
Thanks for the update. I think police should be convincing the guy who owns the land to start talking. Vince and his brother will probably now blame this guy for murdering Carrie. I can see them making up some story about this guy being obsessed with Carrie, stalking her and killing her when his advances were spurned...:rolleyes:

[findcarrie]

Vince's family and supporters are up on his site saying that messer is the one who was fighting on the law of Billie Joe Brown instead of Vincent Doan.
Now knowing the past history of Vincent Doan's obcessive behavior, do ANY of you think he'd allow her to talk to another guy and leave with him after being on his front lawn? That's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard in my life. Anything to take the guilt away from him

FindCarrie
www.findcarriecuberson.com

Vincent Doan fan trash site:

www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan

I post that so you all can see the lies

[nanandjim]

Vince's family and supporters are up on his site saying that messer is the one who was fighting on the law of Billie Joe Brown instead of Vincent Doan.

Is Messer the one who owns the land? If so, did you see my previous post where I said that is what he was going to say? How predictable. I said that the guy better be talking to police if he knew anything because Vince would try to pin it on him.

Wanted to add: If Vince is trying to shift the blame, that could be a good sign that he knows that Carrie and/or her belongings will be found on the property. Otherwise, wouldn't he just scoff and say that Carrie was not there and that she was still alive somewhere?

[sojourns]

http://www.wkrc.com/breaking/story.aspx?content_id=F4CE66EB-D40B-48E9-869B-23394A42AD00
One of the items has been ID'd as Carrie's clothing

[nanandjim]

http://www.wkrc.com/breaking/story.aspx?content_id=F4CE66EB-D40B-48E9-869B-23394A42AD00
One of the items has been ID'd as Carrie's clothing
Thanks for posting. I wonder why they couldn't locate her body. I wonder if she is on that land somewhere. I wish that Messer guy would tell police what he knows--unless he is afraid of getting hurt by the "Doan" crew.

[one loving cousin]

Vincent Doan and Tracey Baker are both innocent and you all will realize that when the truth finally comes out and Carries body is found. The only thing that you people are listening to is what debbie Culberson has to say and that is far from the truth. She only lets you all know things that will make her and her family look so innocent. The property that they are searching for Carries body on belongs to Jarrod Messer. He is serving time in prison at this time for drug trafficking and felonious assault. He and Vincent were not friends and they never have been. He and Carrie on the other hand partied together.Debbie Culberson also used to date one of the Messers. His name is Mark. I don't know why she is telling everyone they haven't had anything to do with the Messers, maybe it's because she is afraid someone will learn the truth. It's a little to late to be worrying about that now it is all going to come out once and for all. For you who don't know Vincent he isn't the monster that Debbie Culberson wants you all to think he is and if Carrie was here right now she would still be right along side of him. She just happened to of been partying with the wrong people on the wrong night and now she is gone. Vincent and tracey will be home soon and so will Carrie.

[nanandjim]

.... For you who don't know Vincent he isn't the monster that Debbie Culberson wants you all to think he is ....
No, I guess that he is just a coward that likes to beat the hell out of women. Bet he isn't trying that in prison.

I see now the story is being changed from 'Carrie has run off' to 'someone else has murdered her.' I guess the authorities must be closing in on something.

[one loving cousin]

The picture of Carrie that everyone saw where she had two black eyes was not from Vincent, it was from her cousin, Shannon Culberson, who also dated Vincent. If he beat Carrie so much why didnt he get in trouble for it? Because it didnt happen. Several other women that Vince date said he never touched them. I guess you all dont know Carrie was known to hit people also and there is proof of that. She wasnt the angel her mom is making her out to be. We all want closure and if Jarrod Messer would tell everyone what he did to her we would have it. www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan/

[nanandjim]

... If he beat Carrie so much why didnt he get in trouble for it? ..
Believe what you want. I'm not buying it. I have seen interviews with her mother, her friends and the people with whom she worked. They ALL said that Vince abused Carrie. This last time, when Vince threw a space heater at Carrie, causing her to get numerous stitches/staples in her head, is the first time that she went to police and pressed charges. Vince was scheduled to go to court on this matter. Conveniently, Carrie disappeared before the trial date. The only matter that is unresolved is finding Carrie's body. The killer is already behind bars.

[one loving cousin]

You are right the killer is behind bars, in warren county. Vincent Doan did not kill Carrie culberson. Jarrod Messer also has property on Bauer rd that the police should be looking at. Ever since they started digging on Fayetteville blan rd alot of activity has been taking place on Bauer rd. Carries body is going to be moved because they are looking in the wrong place, all because no one wants to admit that they were wrong about Vincent. If this was all about finding Carrie they would be looking on Bauer rd also. It really sucks when you have to admit that your wrong but get over it and start looking where you were told to look, if you want to find the truth that is. www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan/

[solosamtheman]

The picture of Carrie that everyone saw where she had two black eyes was not from Vincent, it was from her cousin, Shannon Culberson, who also dated Vincent. If he beat Carrie so much why didnt he get in trouble for it? Because it didnt happen. Several other women that Vince date said he never touched them. I guess you all dont know Carrie was known to hit people also and there is proof of that. She wasnt the angel her mom is making her out to be. We all want closure and if Jarrod Messer would tell everyone what he did to her we would have it. www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan/
Now this is one blindly optimistic person. There are so many elements involved that pave the way for a situation like this. Were all those witnesses lying just because they hate this guy? And if that's true, why did they hate him and weren't they afraid of vengence from the rest of the clan? Or were they so sick of seeing what was really going on that they just didn't care anymore and wanted to see this guy get his? Can this person really say in good faith that they believe that this guy never hurt her in anyway? Can the others says that Carrie was in fact an angel who was a shining example to young women everywhere of how to be all you can be? I guess I'm from the "old school" where you are taught as a man that all you have the right to do is walk away. You don't have the right to impose your will on other people, including your mate. But what attracts a women to a man like this? There are so many things to consider that it boggles the mind. One thing that amazes me constantly, is the amount of time this God-forsaken system of ours spends on people that are really no threat to anyone anywhere and then lack the resources to prevent a situation like this from ever happening in the first place. And then of course there are those in law enforcement that should be mooping the floors at a fast food joint. They couldn't find their rear ends in a well light bathroom with a full length mirror and a spotlight. And we keep voting for the people who create systems like this. God help us all.

[nanandjim]

... Were all those witnesses lying just because they hate this guy? ...
Yeah, to hear him and his relatives tell it, it is one major conspiracy against Vince. :rolleyes: No rational thinking individual would ever buy that story. And, to say that the authorities are purposely not searching in the right area--just to keep Vince Doan behind bars. Ridiculous....

[sojourns]

It's either blame the victim
OR blame LE
Same old crap

He did it and they'll find her

[findcarrie]

Well, we figured it would take less than time than it has before Vince's 3 supporters found this message board too to say - INNOCENT or some other patheic statement like that. I'll tell you all why it's pathetic and the website for Vincent Doan is a joke. Please read below if you have time.

Vincent Doan has refused all requests to answer questions about Carrie Culberson. When you refuse ALL requests that says to most educated human beings that you've got something to hide. This was happening from the very moment Carrie Culberson disappeared.

This theory about Carrie's face and those marks not being made by Vince Doan is ludacrist too. She has hospital papers to prove that she didnt put on makeup and pose for a camera. A man who's name I will not post on a public message board gave a police statment that he saw Vincent Doan hitting and kicking Carrie in April of 1996 when the Jeep ran out of gas. This was not an elvis sighting. It really happened.

Carrie Culberson did not go over to Jarrod Messer's house and die of a drug overdose. Even if she had done that, it would be pretty lame to not call the police and ambulance - but instead go outside and start digging with a back hoe.
If Vincent Doan didnt know a thing about Carrie's disappearance, why did he tell three people on August 29, 1996 "Why does she have to sneak in through the bushes when she comes home". How could he know that unless he was sitting out there next to the house waiting ? Keep in mind, Debbie Culberson had a case against him for hiding on her property from a previous time when he was waiting for Carrie one night. They forgot to tell you all that, didnt they? Police report will reflect that BTW

Debbie Culberson, Carrie Culberson & Christina Culberson may be a whoremongers in the eyes of Vincent Doan's family but let's try this on for size. Vincent Doan moved another girl into his residence less than two weeks after Carrie went missing. He was having an affair with his Brother's wife, and Vince's father has a total of 62 children outside of his marriage to Betty Baker whom he's been married to for 37 years . Vincent Doan told the POLICE this when they took him into custody. Vince was one of those children Lawrence Baker had. Vince's mother Priscilla Doan WORKS for Lawrence Baker & his wife. Betty Baker allows this to happen. Not only THAT... Lawrence Baker (Vince's father) has a child with Priscilla Doan's daugther Katrina. Now if Debbie Culberson is a whore and all these things they've called her, you must wonder what the Baker family is. Process that for a minute.

These comments about a conspiracy between Debbie Culberson & channel 12 news is so funny. Debbie Culberson has NEVER paraded around the cameras. They are going up to her.

By finding these garbage bags and materials that Lori Baker testified to and they are linked to Carrie, that means that her testimony is shown now beyond a shadow of a doubt to be truthful. You people have used the good ole boy tactics for a long time and it's worked for you, however you've stepped on somebody's toes and they've let the cat out of the bag. I doubt seriously sweetie pie will be coming home. 1. because he wouldnt tell anybody anything, we had to find it on our own, so the plea bargin is void.
2. when the find her body, and we will, that will prove that Carrie Culberson didnt strip off buck naked and leave town with some hippies. Your theory will be out the door.

So what you need to do is concentrate on getting your facts straight on that website you've got because you are about two steps away from a slander suit. Even if Vincent Doan was innocent, you all are making him look like a total idiot and you are presenting yourselves as a group of inbred wifebeating liars. The media, and everybody on the internet is seeing that more and more each day. Sticks & stones may break our bones, but your comments to us are like a poot in a whirlwinds.

I'm sorry for this being so long, but I feel like ppl need to know. I dont care if they like it or not. The truth hurts.

[nanandjim]

...you are presenting yourselves as a group of inbred wifebeating liars. ....
This is exactly how I saw this clan from the beginning. Thank God Lori Baker had the courage to step forward and stand up for Carrie Culbertson. I hope that Lori is doing okay today. Have they released the findings on what they found at the digging site?

[findcarrie]

There is no information released yet on the soil samples or the Luminol tests. They are showing that garbage bags, duct tape and a shirt belonging to Carrie was found in the excavation hole. Those soil samples will take about another week to be completed.

[nanandjim]

There is no information released yet on the soil samples or the Luminol tests. They are showing that garbage bags, duct tape and a shirt belonging to Carrie was found in the excavation hole. Those soil samples will take about another week to be completed.
Do they think that Carrie's body is somewhere on that land? Have they talked to the owner? Will he cooperate?

[MomLady]

I am hoping that they can find Carrie and lay her to rest.

She deserves to be found and mourned. Sure she wasn't perfect (no one is!) but she sure didn't deserve what happened.

Her bright smile reminds me of Laci. One of those people whose whole faces lights up.

What a waste of a life and those that covered this up.

JMO

MomLady

PS Thanks for posting this and creating the website, FindCarrie!

[findcarrie]

You all, something that is VERY important to remember is that I usually keep my negative comments quiet but I think it needs to be made known all the harassment a few of us who work on this case have had to deal with. Every day I open up my inbox where somebody's posted to Carrie's guestbook calling her a whore, among other choice words. They say all kinds of stuff about me, Carrie and her family. There is about three people who think Vince is innocent and they create 40 or 50 emails accounts and even sign on and off with various disks from AOL to disguise themselves not to mention their ISP #s. This type of stuff is very ridulous not to mention the potty mouth comments that are inside Vince's guestbook. SURE we get people writing in calling Vince a loser. I dont post that. People can see for themeselves what the score is. I just had to let a few of you know what is going on and stand up for Carrie & her family.
They say proven guilty by theory but proven innocent by facts. Show me some solid facts on that website and I'll make a public apology. Every word on that site has been twisted and turned to the point it is commical.

The papers are reporting that Messer is not cooperating with authorties but I find it very odd that he's been moved from almost 2 hours away to Warren county which is about 20 mins tops. Looks like somebody better start coming up with some more ideas for how that stuff got in that hole. Wait a minute... I got it... aliens could've landed and drugged everybody at that party.

[nanandjim]

... They say all kinds of stuff about me, Carrie and her family. There is about three people who think Vince is innocent....
Findcarrie - You don't need to defend your, Carrie's or her family's position. Those few people are seen for what they are. The poster that has come here defending Vince sounds totally ridiculous. People see through that nonsense.

I suspect those three people don't really think Vince is innocent. They just don't care what he did. They just want him out. Sorry, it won't ever happen. So, what else do they have but to spout out ridiculous conspiracy theories.

I had read about Vince's father and his extracurricular activities/children, etc. I also read about the fear and abuse that goes on in that clan. That's why I admire Lori so much for stepping forward. Tsk, tsk....this clan never dreamed one of the women would break rank.

Plus, this group of lowlife men treat all women like dirt and think very lowly of them. They can only get a certain type. Carrie didn't fit the mold, and Vince couldn't beat her into submission. That's why he killed her.

In any case, try not to let these people bother you. As my mother always said, "Consider the source."

And, take comfort in the fact, that they didn't get away with it.

[findcarrie]

I guess I just wanted to let all those who ever doubted anything to know that all the facts and the stuf to back it up is on Carrie's site. I know that I probably put too much on that site, but I have strived from day one to make sure that if somebody came looking for information that they'd have it there and it wouldnt be some kind of theory with nothing to hold it up.

I do hope that we get the answers soon. I know that they are probably laughing at us today because those DNA test came back negative. I still have to wonder why anybody would dig that far down to bury those types of materials. Perhaps whoever called that in knew that they'd look there first and then it would lead to Carrie. I am not giving up on this yet.

[one loving cousin]

yes, most of the witnesses against Vincent were lying. Billy Jo Brown had several warrants against her and several charges that seemed to have disappear during that trial, Lori Baker has told many people that she was given pain pills and sleeping pills. Most of them were told what to say and we know that for a fact because most of them have now recanted their stories. You people only hear and believe what poor Debbie Culberson wants you to believe. Think about it, they found a shirt that belongs to Carrie on one property, more than they ever found on anything that belonged to the Bakers why arent they looking on the BAUER RD property? I would be if I was really concerned about finding my daughter, but Debbie Culberson has different motives. www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan/

[findcarrie]

Billie Joe Brown had been a drunk in the past and wrote a bad check one time. Lori Baker wasnt drugged at any time. She did admit about ordering information pertaining to the Wiccan faith at one time. However Lawerence Baker was arrested last April of 2003 for distribution of Oxcontin. That is a high powered pain killer (also known as a the hill billy herion and no I am not being a smart ellic. Look it up and see what it is referred to. So, looks to me like your group of folks are the ones with drug charges on them. Matter of fact, I'm wondering if Messer wasnt involved in that sting that went down last April with Lawrence Baker and of course Lawerence slipped through the cracks one more time and Messer did not. Perhaps Messer has told on dada???

You'll see that two of your so-called wonderful Bakers are behind bars looks like the jury found them guilty.
If you want lies, let's look at the witnesses they called to stand for the defense who were all aquaintances of the Baker family or somebody who was driving right up beside a vehicle and KNEW it was Carrie but DIDNT write down the damn tag #. That's a little fishy to me? But then again so is this whole story. Makes our so called hearsay witnesses not look so idiotic after all? Points to ponder. That means think about it . BTW

[findcarrie]

Oh and while I'm at it. Talking about outstanding warrants. Did you happen to tell the viewers on Vince's site that he had a charge against him for assault and battery AND a driving on suspended license AND a previous attempted murder charge that was later dropped b/c the guy was scared to death of what would happen if he didnt plea bargin and tell them that Vince didnt mean to shoot him in the face???? Yall forgot to tell them that part didnt you?

[one loving cousin]

Actually Jill, you should check your facts again. Last April Lawrence Baker was set up by Al Lakes who later went to court and told the investigators he didnt know anything about what they were talking about just to make the cops all look like idiots. The charges were dropped. Vincent wasnt charged with attempted murder, as a matter of fact he got into a fight with one of his friends, and during the struggle a gun went off.No one was charged with attempted murder because it was an accident.
Lori Baker has told me and several other people that she lied on the witness stand, Vincent was not at her house that night and was not covered in blood. I guess you should keep tabs on your so called star witnesses and keep them out of the bars. You know the truth comes out when you have been drinking. Some people let all of their secrets out. As for Billy Jo Brown she is a drunk and always will be. She had to be told who to pick out in the line up, she didnt even know what Vincent looked like until he was pointed out to her. So much for your reliable witnesses. Like I said before the truth will come out and you all are going to be standing around still trying to tie this all to Vincent and Tracey, but they will be home soon. www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan/

[nanandjim]

.... Like I said before the truth will come out and you all are going to be standing around still trying to tie this all to Vincent and Tracey, but they will be home soon. ...]
I thought the District Court of Appeals upheld their convictions, stating the evidence supported the convictions. Or do you also think the District Court of Appeals' judges are part of this vast conspiracy?? :rolleyes:

[findcarrie]

You know... I am not commenting any more on anything of these stupid comments. I will say this though. You all might want to rethink your strategies for making up these boggus stories about me and the Culberson family. You might see yourself in court again with a law suit. I dont have to be afraid of what I speak because I have FACTS AND COURT PAPERS to show it's true. It's alright for you all to say something derragatory about Carrie and her family but when one of us shoots some FACTS back at you about what you really are about, it sets you on fire. I think it's absolutely hilarious.

This is all a pathetic attempt to make the one or two people who actually are ignorant enough to think that he's innocent, that all this stuff they've found actually makes what Lori Baker spoke on the stand, drunk, high on drugs, and a witch, WAS PROBABLY MORE TRUTHFUL THAN WHAT YOU CAN REFUTE NOW. I seriously doubt that somebody is gonna go out in the back yard and start digging a hole like that to bury some garbage bag, duct tape, and a shirt. Everybody knows the score here.

Folks dont even respond to any more posts from this DA. (not District Attorney) BTW :hand:

[nanandjim]

....Folks dont even respond to any more posts from this DA. (not District Attorney) BTW :hand:
I agree with you, and so does everyone who has any sense and who has read about the case. I only responded to let the poster know that his/her stories of conspiracy are ridiculous. The relatives know the truth. They just don't care that an innocent person was beaten to death. Their callousness says a lot about what type of individuals they truly are.

I won't be responding to any more of the poster's comments because I think that I have made my point. I want to thank you, Findcarrie, for the information that you have provided. Hopefully, you and Carrie's family know that 99.99% of the public are supportive and sympathetic to this tragic situation.

[findcarrie]

You dont know what is being searched and what is not. Furthermore, you dont know half as much as this so-called trailer park soured GA Peach does - quote from one of your 40 posts on Vince's website. I could be living two counties over from you????????????????You might find some people willing to listen to your stories if you would learn how to post a message on his message board with a different typing mannerism. EXAMPLE: you double space two times at the end of a sentence. NOT one time. AND not to mention the contents of the guestbook.

Also, you are not a a cousin, you are a 62 year old woman who your grandaughter is doing the website for Vince - her name is not Rachel EITHER. You might want to check into some of your facts too because ur talking out your hine end again.
Everybody has had enough of your stupid stories & your 40 plus AOL accounts you are using to conceal your ISP #. We know already - HE'S INNOCENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE LOVE YOU VINCE AND TRACEY. UR COMING HOME SOON. LOL

I love you and buh bye now.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Char]

yes, most of the witnesses against Vincent were lying. Billy Jo Brown had several warrants against her and several charges that seemed to have disappear during that trial, Lori Baker has told many people that she was given pain pills and sleeping pills. Most of them were told what to say and we know that for a fact because most of them have now recanted their stories. You people only hear and believe what poor Debbie Culberson wants you to believe. Think about it, they found a shirt that belongs to Carrie on one property, more than they ever found on anything that belonged to the Bakers why arent they looking on the BAUER RD property? I would be if I was really concerned about finding my daughter, but Debbie Culberson has different motives. www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan/

:boohoo: Play the violins because your boy is guilty and you know it. EVERYONE in the whole county is in a conspiracy against your "boy" and his family. Why would the entire county be against your family? Evidence proved your boy guilty in a court of law. The only way you can ever refute anything is to slander the Culberson family, Carrie's memory, Finding Carrie and anyone who disagrees with you. As far as the website is concerned, FindCarrie is so positive and says she will not participate in negative websites. Unlike you posting under five or six different names and using the same mannerisms, spellings, and words used, Find Carrie is doing something positive instead of spewing garbage. Vince murdered Carrie Culberson, disposed of her body with the help of his pa and brother and now he shall rot in jail. No one wins in this situation. Please tell your cousin to tell where he buried Carrie's body, so she can finally rest in peace.

[findcarrie]

You guys, we are putting ourselves in a situation where we are not any better than the comments that are being spit out about us. from this point forward, let's just dont acknowledge anymore of that. We have to work on a positive scale here and let them do their thing.
No matter what you do, there is always going to be somebody try to disagree with you. We know that we know and we have our facts, that's all that matters.

You all keep supporting finding this young woman and what her family is working to accomplish and that is to find Carrie Culberson!!!!

[one loving cousin]

If you all are trying to be so helpful why dont you suggest that they look on Jarrod Messers other property that is on Bauer Rd? are you all to afraid of who they might find there or what? I know if my daughter disappeared and I already decided that she was dead I would be looking wherever I heard about, no matter where it is at. Vincent told everyone about a year ago that Messers property needed to be looked at but no one wanted to listen to him. You alll are so sure that he did it, you are afraid to think that you might just be wrong. Jarrod Messer is sitting in jail laughing at all of you right now because he knows no one is going to look on Bauer Rd, He knows that it would make you all look so bad if you were wrong about Vincent, and none of you want to look bad, do ya? It's a little too late for that, you all are looking worse everyday because you only hear what you want to hear. Vincent and Tracey arent lying, they want to know where Carrie is at more than anyone else, so the truth will be known and they can be back home with their families. YOu all just need to suck it up and start looking on Messers other property. Think about it, why would they stop looking if they found her shirt at his house?????? :confused: That is more than they ever found at the Doans or the Bakers property. You all can think what you want to about Billie Jo Brown and Lori Baker I dont really care, I know that they are both liars. What is it going to hurt to look at some more of Messers property?????? If you all are really trying to find Carrie keep looking at him. Vincent told ya all that a long time ago, its about time to start listening so Carrie can come home too. :)

[nicnak]

:banghead: I am appaled by what I see in some of the message boards and guestbooks I just do not see what the since is in saying things like Everybody knows the score here.
this is not a game here this is real life and someone has lost their life and if Vincent is innocent then he has lost years off of his life as well I don't know what we solve by this type of behavior other then hard feelings and to be honest is there any solid hard proof to go digging up mr messers property out on bauer rd because you just cant start digging a hole on ppls property with out good solid evidence so please try working together and finding Carrie this has become a game to some people it should be all about finding carrie at this point because you have some people saying that vincent is not guilty and that someone else did it but at the same time the same people said not to long ago that she was seen after the fact people are saying her mother needs to be looked at (im sorry but that is sick you can tell by looking at her she is sick from not knowing where her daughter is and how her last few minuted were on this earth imagine the hell )and then bringing up things like Vincents father having 62 children while still being married you can not place blame on offspring for a child does not choose their parents who cares anyway what does this have to do with finding carrie the goal that is always stated is FINDING CARRIE focus on FINDING Carrie be it to prove your point that vincent doan is guilty or be it to prove that vincent doan is innocent share your information make someone listen go to the local papers I know my area has where you can put your own comment in the paper if you have evidence and think the police or whoever is ignoring you because they are out to keep Vincent in jail then put that info in the news papers make it known once it becomes public knowledge someone will look at it you can always go higher than the local law enforcement stay strong all

[findcarrie]

Once again, it's alright for you all to say something offcolor and with no substance about Debbie Culberson and Carrie, but when we point out a few questionable problems with you all, which are a lot more disturbing, we are GOING TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

If you are going to come at a helpless victim with some ridulous comment, have some legal facts to back it. Otherwise some of your skeletons will be brought to light and it's embrassing as hell.

[Char]

Once again, it's alright for you all to say something offcolor and with no substance about Debbie Culberson and Carrie, but when we point out a few questionable problems with you all, which are a lot more disturbing, we are GOING TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

If you are going to come at a helpless victim with some ridulous comment, have some legal facts to back it. Otherwise some of your skeletons will be brought to light and it's embrassing as hell.

FindCarrie: Like you have been telling us, please don't waste your time on Vince's so-called cousin and supporters. He was found guilty in a court of law. All the proof and witnesses that Law Enforcement needed to convict Vincey and Tracy was provided. The clone followers can whine all they want to about his innocence. Vincey was found guilty. Period. Carrie will be found shortly and they will continue to rant and rave and slander you and Carrie's family and memory. Don't waste your time with these lowlifes. God will deal with these folks eventually like he is dealing with Vincey Boy!!

Thanks for all the good work your doing.

[nicnak]

I am pleading with everyone to focus on finding Carrie finding clues to her whereabouts.I am convenced she is dead and it is strange the way the story keeps changing please try to ignore the "offcolor comments" about Mrs.Culberson which is wrong and please try to refrain from offcolor comments about vince's family I know it is hard I have read all the stuff it is hard not to bring up some of it it makes for great reading but defeats the purpose of all of this both sides have stated thier purpose and this bickering is making both lose focus take care all and stay strong
may carrie be laid to rest soon for her familys sake I can not imagine the pain they feel and do not ever want to feel such a pain

[Char]

Its not doing much good for CHAR aka CC to be sending nasty emails to Rachel. What does Rachel have to do with this, I don't think she is the one that killed Carrie. Leave her alone.

:clap: You folks will stoop to anything to take away from the seriousness of the crime that Vincent committed. I for one have NOT, I repeat NOT been sending nasty emails to this Rachal person. I do not know her, nor do I care too after reading the nasty website over there. I wrote to another person asking why she prints only one side of the story and not everyones. WHY she is allowing slanderous comments to be put up about Carrie, her memory and Carrie's family. YOU Folks obviously have wayyy to much time on your hands, altering emails is obviously one of your things you folks enjoy doing. Quit slandering my name or you shall be in legal trouble. YOU folks obviously have issues, which is fine, but I would suggest not slandering my name, nor Carrie's mother, FindCarrie and others. You think Vince is in trouble, you will find out soon enough if you continue with your libelous ways. Focus on Finding Carrie's body, which was moved from the Doan Property and moved to another property to make it look like someone else did it. I will say it once again, VINCE was found guilty along with Tracy in a court of law and sentenced accordingly. You can't change the truth or the verdict so you will attack others? OK Go ahead. You banging your head against the wall. YOU cannot hurt me like you hurt Carrie. I would advise you to stop. Have a great day!!

[nicnak]

oh how did I get thrown up in this childish stuff I was only hoping to get you all to work together nothing more so from now on I will come here and to the other 2 site only to read the soap opera that has become of this poor girls death

[one loving cousin]

There are alot of people in this world who are convicted of crimes they didn't commit. It happens all the time, to thousands of people. Then after years are taken from their lives and their families and friends work hard to get the truth known to people, they are aquitted and try to put their lives back together. Tracey and Vincent will be home one of these days. They did not kill Carrie Culberson. You all have been trying to come up with evidence against them for the past eight years and haven't acomplished anything .The proof is right in front of you and you all are to afraid to think that Carrie could have possibly been at Messers house, why not? Its not like that would have been the first time she has went and partied with someone like Jarrod Messer. There are plenty of people that have said Carrie has done drugs with them, most of them were her friends. How do you all know she didnt od???? How can you be so sure that Vincent killed her??????? Were you there????? Most of you don't even know Vincent or Tracey. As I said before you have seen Debbie Culberson on all the tv shows and feel sorry for her because she lost her daughter, well we feel bad that she lost her daughter too, but you are looking in the wrong places at the wrong people. Open your eyes people and start looking at what is really going on. Vincent and Tracey have tried to help out with the investigation as much as they could but you all never hear what they have to say, you hear what you want to hear. ;) :doh:

[findcarrie]

Emails sent to Carrie Culberson's website that say something like...

F U and your family. SHe got what she deserved OR Vincent Doan is a LOSER are not posted. We run a professional website and nobody is allowed to post from the same ISP # more than one time, unless of course they disguise the ISP and it slips by the moderator. I do not condone trash mouth towards the victim or her alleged killer. We dont run that type of site.

[Char]

:liar: Honey, it's okay to say that your wrong. I am not here to argue with trolls. I am only here to support FindCarrie and do whatever it takes to bring Carrie home. I will go anywhere I choose and if appropriate I shall point out again that you folks change emails, change nics and post to yourself and continue to slander Carrie and her mother, Carrie's memory and whatever else you can think off. VINCE is a murderer convicted in court with TONS of evidence which only you and your clones choose not to see. VINCE is where he will spend the rest of his life and I will bet you $2.00 that is where he stays. Period. YOU remember that you and your friends and the Baker family have to live with and face what he did and what he is....A CONVICTED MURDER. :laugh:

[one loving cousin]

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you people, but when it comes time to collect, I'll be back to get my $2.00. HAVE A NICE DAY :twocents:
www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan/ :)

[snorky]

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you people, but when it comes time to collect, I'll be back to get my $2.00. HAVE A NICE DAY :twocents:
www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan/ (http://www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan/) :)
Thank you. It has been been very exhausting reading your posts.

[Storm]

Reading this thread reminds me of my hometown that I left in mid Ohio in 1965. There are obviously some very illiterate folks (not to mention either naive or stupid) supporting a murderer and some sincere folks trying desperately to help a family bring a loved one home.
Anyone with any intelligience can read the court records, the case history and know beyond a doubt that Vincent Doan is a bottom dwelling scumbag that killed Carrie. It's nice to know that 12 members of a jury saw it so clearly too.

[nanandjim]

Thank you. It has been been very exhausting reading your posts.

Agree. Take the ridiculous stories elsewhere. Nobody's buying it here.

[findcarrie]

Hey let's talk about something positive today. I have gotten some mailing labels that folks can download on Carrie's site that circulate her information. They are located on the links page where you download her banners. I thought this would be really cool for people who want to help us circulate her story.

:o

[Storm]

Honey, if you are truly a "loving cousin", reread the case files,
and open your eyes. I am proud that my cousins are independent
free thinkers with brains of their own. I'd never expect them to
blindly defend me if I were him. I've been
stalked and abused, I know what it looks like and this is it if I've
ever seen it in my life, and what's more, I think you know it.

[blueclouds]

On Kristen Smarts Message board... actually the site dedicated to the alleged perp Paul Flores... www.sonofsusan.com there is a post that noted that Carrie Culberson's disappearce is very similar to Kristen's. I see that there is another suspect here but I thought I'd post this anyway.

http://findkristins.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=Readtheoverwhelmingevidenseagainst thismanandhisfamilybutstillhispropertycannotbedugu pyetWHY&action=display&num=1084772040

[Char]

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you people, but when it comes time to collect, I'll be back to get my $2.00. HAVE A NICE DAY :twocents:
www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan/ :)

:) I hate to tell you this but emails have been changed by you and others to harrass me, FindCarrie and anyone who disagrees with you. YOu have gone to the other site to try to defame me now, making threats of lawsuits and trying to tell Jill that I am slandering her and Carrie's mother. Now that is pathetic. Unlike Vince's website, YOU can't change these posts and/or alter them. Please leave Carrie's memory alone, Please leave Jill alone and continue on your way. I stand by what I have said previously, I did not slander you folks, call you names in emails or make any threats. I sent messages but I shall mention again, FOR you to stop slandering her family, and that your VINCE was found guilty in a court of law. Unlike you, I do not have to stoop to threats to get my point across. Truth wins out. PS your threats and intimidations cannot hurt me. God be with you.

PS....and for the Record of the person sending me hate emails, my name and initials are CC. Period. You can try to pit two folks who are in the same camp against eachother but it won't work. Unlike you nasty people, WE are working toward a common goal. FINDING Carrie and making sure VINCE stays in jail for Carrie's murder. I will say a prayer for your soul.

[findcarrie]

The son of susan website is done by a friend of mine Dennis Mahon. He points out the similarities of the two cases. Both families have had to endure constant harassment over this. But thank GOD above in our situation, the "alleged" killer is behind bars. Our sister sites have all witnessed this BS of the SAME people coming over asking for assistance to help them with Vincent, but then turning into a 7th grade shouting match with anybody who disagrees with what the Clinton County Prosecutor's office and the jury found. Which brings me to ask... where is the ignore user button on this message board?

[coopkid]

Ok, I have only lived in the Blanchester area a few years, and don't know either family....but I heard about the Culberson disappearance when it happened, and have been reading a lot about it since the new dig began. Here are a few questions from an "outsider's" perspective:

1. Doan's supporters are now pointing to Messer, suggesting he acted without Doan. A lot of folks have claimed (on Vincent Doan's website) that Carrie overdosed at Messer's house, and "they" got scared and buried her. Who are "they"? Did "they" not realize that far more trouble would come upon them for gross abuse of a corpse, obstruction of justice, etc.,etc., than for getting high at a party? Any drugs or illegal paraphernalia could easily have been gotten rid of before calling the police/ambulance. Easier than getting rid of a body. Oh, sorry....A body AND a car. Right. People O.D. all the time, but that doesn't mean that everyone in the immediate vicinity is automatically sent up for murder. So I don't buy this "they got scared" theory.....obviously, there is more to this story than any accidental overdose. Also, how were "they" so sure she was dead and not passed out? Were they medics? Did they try to revive her (while NOT calling 911)? If someone accidentally overdosed at your house, would you bury them in your backyard? And expect not to be found out? This is a ridiculous theory.

2. Who built the barn? Actually constructed it? Was it built after her disappearance, or was it just the lean-to that was built after her disappearance? I am confused about this....

3. So now the folks on Doan's site are posting that of course Carrie was at Messer's....this is where she went to pick up her drugs. This conflicts with the previous claim that "Vincent and his father went to look for her at Chrisopher's bar in Hillsboro, because this is where Carrie got her drugs".......Messer's barn is a long way from Christopher's bar in Hillsboro.

4. Purely speculation here......but, I have been around the old block a few times, so to speak. If anyone had a drug habit here, it wasn't the Culberson girl. She:
- was gainfully employed.
- was apparently attending a community college (I know a professor at Clermont who mentioned that Carrie was in her class, so I know this is true).
- (judging by her pictures) always looked healthy, neat, CLEAN, and well-put together.
- was involved in sports (played on a volleyball team). As a general rule, people who are heavily into the drug scene do not get involved in sports. Trust me on this; I've been there and I know.
- had goals in life.

5. A 22 year old girl whose family, job, friends, & boyfriend are all in the immediate area, where she has lived all her life, does not just take off and move to another state over her lunch hour, never to be seen or heard from again. C'mon, folks, she has a sister that she obviously loved, two parents, lots of friends.....A LIFE in Blanchester. Also, how would she have supported herself without being able to use her car (which eventually would have been pulled over for a traffic violation, just being seen, etc.) and without any money? (The court transcript says that her bank account remained untouched). This theory is even more ridiculous than the overdose theory.

6. What does Mr. Doan have to say about the recent events? People in prison still have internet access. Why doesn't he post on his website?

[blueclouds]

The son of susan website is done by a friend of mine Dennis Mahon. He points out the similarities of the two cases. Both families have had to endure constant harassment over this. But thank GOD above in our situation, the "alleged" killer is behind bars. Our sister sites have all witnessed this BS of the SAME people coming over asking for assistance to help them with Vincent, but then turning into a 7th grade shouting match with anybody who disagrees with what the Clinton County Prosecutor's office and the jury found. Which brings me to ask... where is the ignore user button on this message board?


Hi, thank you for the feedback. The ignore button is in the "user cp" that you click on at the top. From there look on the left hand side and down at the bottom of the list, it's under "miscellaneous". Buddys/ignore Lists.
Hope that helps.

BTW, let whomever have their fun. They are sick and pathetic. If they think they will be waving to all us, whatever. People like that don't deserve ANY attention. They are low lives and will always be. When you rise above them, you become the stronger more confident BETTER person... Let them remain the "trailer trash" they are.

[blueclouds]

:) I hate to tell you this but emails have been changed by you and others to harrass me, FindCarrie and anyone who disagrees with you. YOu have gone to the other site to try to defame me now, making threats of lawsuits and trying to tell Jill that I am slandering her and Carrie's mother. Now that is pathetic. Unlike Vince's website, YOU can't change these posts and/or alter them. Please leave Carrie's memory alone, Please leave Jill alone and continue on your way. I stand by what I have said previously, I did not slander you folks, call you names in emails or make any threats. I sent messages but I shall mention again, FOR you to stop slandering her family, and that your VINCE was found guilty in a court of law. Unlike you, I do not have to stoop to threats to get my point across. Truth wins out. PS your threats and intimidations cannot hurt me. God be with you.

PS....and for the Record of the person sending me hate emails, my name and initials are CC. Period. You can try to pit two folks who are in the same camp against eachother but it won't work. Unlike you nasty people, WE are working toward a common goal. FINDING Carrie and making sure VINCE stays in jail for Carrie's murder. I will say a prayer for your soul.


:clap: :woohoo: :woohoo: :D :clap: :woohoo: You tell 'em Char! You go girl!!!

[findcarrie]

Some of those idiots on Vince's site have decided to make my previous screen name something derragatory or of questionable character. I will explain this to anybody who wonders.

In 2000, I received a gift for Christmas from Victoria's Secret. Not from a lover or man in the town who had 89 kids.
It was a lotion gift set called - LOVE SPELL. For a very very long time that was my favorite scent - because most women do like things like that. Anyway, I had a screen name that several of my friends thought was totally stupid so my then friend Wendy told me I need to change my screen name. I couldnt think of anything else but LOVESPELL at the time. Being that sounded weird, I added caster to it. I never knew it had anything to do with paganism or casting spells. I knew they existed but it was never something I did. If you go to the Victoria's Secret WEbsite, the lotion is listed FOR SALE there. So if anybody who wonders about that - that is where it came from. I am not Wiccan or Pagan. I happen to be a SOUTHERN BAPTIST THANK YOU.
I'm glad to see that even somebody's screen name is attacked. My mom and I get a kick out of that because she is the one who gave me the lotion that has caused so much controversy.
In case anybody wants to know... I left that fragrance and screen name behind. LOL

:laugh:

[nanandjim]

Ok, I have only lived in the Blanchester area a few years, and don't know either family....but I heard about the Culberson disappearance when it happened, and have been reading a lot about it since the new dig began. Here are a few questions from an "outsider's" perspective:

...
Excellent and intelligent post, coopkid. Good luck on getting reasonable answers from the "Vince is coming home soon" crowd.

[bobbijo69]

im sorry to say this but if that was my daughter missing, no matter what i would not stop looking for her in all the different places and i would not let leads go un heard. Apparently thats what they are doing on this case. There is so much information in regards to the site on Baur Road. Why aren't the athorities searching there? If they have been told that then they need to look there. And another thing there is no amount of money that would bring me happieness if my child was still missing after 8 years.

[Char]

im sorry to say this but if that was my daughter missing, no matter what i would not stop looking for her in all the different places and i would not let leads go un heard. Apparently thats what they are doing on this case. There is so much information in regards to the site on Baur Road. Why aren't the athorities searching there? If they have been told that then they need to look there. And another thing there is no amount of money that would bring me happieness if my child was still missing after 8 years.

:hand: Now how are you related to the Doans/Bakers clan? You sound just like a person and/or persons that have been posting here and on Vincent's board. Well ask Vincent why he chose not to testify. Ask Vincent why he isn't telling the family of Carrie Culberson where he finally buried her? Ask Vincent why he chose to move her body with his brother after being notified by the town law enforcement? Ask Vincent why he is choosing to try to "Frame" another man for something he did? The answer being, they have the right man in jail and he is going to stay there for a mighty looong time.

:behindbar Jailbird for LIFE!!

[bobbijo69]

Not related to either family in any way! Vincent did not testify because of the attorney. He wanted to testify and was strongly advised not too. He didn’t bury her any where, because HE did NOT do it, plain and simple. I know some one that is very close to him whom he trusts and he was asked all of these questions before, during, and after the trial. He has and always will answer these questions the same way, “I love her, I would never hurt her.” The person that asked the questions grew up around a family member that is a habitual liar and KNOWS when someone is lying and when someone is telling the truth. You can tell by body language and eye movements! He IS telling the truth!

[bobbijo69]

MY answers:

1) It was NOT 2 weeks later and it really has nothing to do with this case other than to satisfy your own curiosity.



2) Because his lawyer did not want him to. Because again he was told NOT to say anything without his attorney present! He was strongly advised by his attorney NOT to testify, he wanted to.





3) He has tried that but according to the law it has to be done through the judicial system.



4) I can not answer this question, I was not there. You would have to ask Carrie, but she isn’t here now is she? I did hear from one of her aunts that it was NOT caused from a fight with Vincent but from Carrie’s own cousin, Shannon. Maybe you should ask her.



5) What does this even have to do with the case? NOTHING! No one can be held accountable for anyone else’s actions except for that person or persons that are involved.



6) I believe if you watch the old clips of the news while the trial was on, the friend, told everyone that it WAS accidental. And it was over a girl, yes. Vincent walked in on them in HIS house in bed together. What would you have done? Honestly, can you say that if you were in love with some one and walked in on them and someone else that you would react without thinking?





Show the proof that you have. Police statements? Statements of the police or statements that the police took from someone else? Police statements are not sworn statements, and if someone can lie in court (perjury) then someone can easily lie on a piece of paper. I say give them ALL lie detector tests, including you and me!




According to the Fire reports it was arson, but I believe that if you research it further the Whitten’s were in financial trouble at the time and it was discovered that they were brought up on charges for insurance fraud. Do you have video tape of this things you are accusing Lawrence of or just someone’s statement? Why don’t you all talk to the rest of the actual Culberson clan. I know for fact that there is more than one that can fill in some of these questions that are out there about Debbie and Carrie. I am not saying anything bad about them, just that they are not as “Angelic” as they would have you believe. No one is, we are all human and guess what…WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES! It is not us to judge, but we all will be held accountable by the one that matters – GOD! I am not professing to be any better than anyone else, I admit that I have made my own mistakes that I will answer to, but LET IT GO! LET ONLY THOSE WITHOUT SIN THROW THE FIRST STONE! You can’t because you have also sinned - we all do!



How can you speculate as to what happened? You weren’t there. It is nothing but speculation. Give me hard factual or visual proof in order for me to believe any other way then the way that I believe and I will apologize to anyone that I have hurt in the process. But I do not feel that I have hurt any one, I feel for both families, loss in any form is hard to deal with…It takes time to heal and those out there that want to keep this feud going, you’ll get yours in the end when you face the final judgment of GOD!

[findcarrie]

LOL - we were asking some of yall a few questions. Seems like nobody can ask nothing from this side w/out being told we are sticking our noses where it doesnt belong.
Besides we were just F***ing around with you anyway, we know he didnt do it, and she ran out with a bunch of hippies & set him up. Probably the same group that took Laci Peterson?

We aint casting no stones because the last time I checked, we werent into agressivness and accidental killings or assaults. :bang:

[Char]

LOL - we were asking some of yall a few questions. Seems like nobody can ask nothing from this side w/out being told we are sticking our noses where it doesnt belong.
Besides we were just F***ing around with you anyway, we know he didnt do it, and she ran out with a bunch of hippies & set him up. Probably the same group that took Laci Peterson?

We aint casting no stones because the last time I checked, we werent into agressivness and accidental killings or assaults. :bang:

FindCarrie: After reading the latest "person" to visit this website, it seems the same person and/or people are posting here, on the CTV Missing Person thread. They come and question stuff which has been proven in a court of law. No one responds the way they want so they just start bashing Carrie, her memory, her morality and anyone that disagrees with them. They have to go to alot of trouble to create email names then register at the CTV website. It just seems that the time they spend on here trashing Carrie could be spent "finding the killer" like OJ is doing. Ya think? Same chit, different day.

[findcarrie]

Oh and one last thing. Seeing that you all think I'm a witch, that would mean I dont have to stand before God with my sins. LOL

In which I'd be more worried when that day gets here because there's going to be a group of folks having to do some serious explaining. Dont worry, I'll fly by on my broom and laugh at you some more while you are standing in line trying to get him to believe it.

Folks we have more important things to do than to entertain this group.

WE LOVE YOU VINCE. YOU ARE COMING HOME SOON. :clap: LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Char]

FindCarrie:

First of all, Who is calling you a witch? Is there something I am not seeing? Second of all, why are you even bothering explaining to these people? They will NEVER get it. Period. All they can do is incite violence, intimidate potential witnesses, harrass and slander folks here and be a menace to society. Regardless if your your Baptist, Catholic, Protestant or whatever it's none of their business because once again they are chipping anywhere they think they can get you. Also, these folks actually are registering all over the net and then posting on these sites. Pathetic.

BTW.....Do you have any updates on Carrie? Are you in daily contact with Debra Culberson? If you are please tell her how we are praying for her. I for one am proud of her for standing up for Carrie's memory and her family. Thanks again.

[bobbijo69]

BTW- This is the first time that i have posted on this website, and no im not begrading Carrie or anything. I just wish people would look @ both sides of the Story. Do you live in the small town of Blanchester CC. Well let me tell you, that i do. And i see what happens daily. you say how that Debbie and her family is tormented by the Doan's, how do you know for a fact that it is them doing it. I remember hearing Debra say on the Tv that she was getting threating phone calls in regards to them digging @ the Messer site from the Doan's/Bakers, if that is true than how come there isnt court documents to state that it was them doing it?

And you are right.
WE LOVE VINCE AND HE WILL BE COMING HOME SOON:::::

Can you answer this for me? Why arent they searching messer's other property?
Why arent the cops following up on every lead or tip that they get. And they are not doing it.

[Char]

BTW-

And you are right.
WE LOVE VINCE AND HE WILL BE COMING HOME SOON:::::

Can you answer this for me? Why arent they searching messer's other property?
Why arent the cops following up on every lead or tip that they get. And they are not doing it.

I am glad to be telling you this: The only way Vincey boy is coming home is in a pine box and to be buried. It's a sad thing to say but he took a life of a woman in her prime and was found guilty in a court of law by his peers. YOU don't know what the cops are or are not doing. They don't broadcast everything they are doing to the folks that live there. Another thing, COURT documents have nothing to do with Debra Culberson getting phone calls. Duh, if you have common sense you know that you have to call the police which she has said she has done, done whatever else they have told her to do and once she has followed procedure, THEN it goes to COURT. Don't you folks research anything instead of speaking off the cuff? I guess not. YOU folks really need to get a clue and face Reality. Vince has. He is in jail and FYI, a person being represented can OVERRULE his lawyer and TESTIFY. Things which Vincey didn't do. He can't blame his lawyer, he can't blame Carrie, he can't blame anyone but himself. Seems he needs to grow up and accept responsibility for what he did. MURDERED a poor innocent woman. I am sure as hell glad that he is in jail. Makes the nice town where you live safer. The only reason that YOU nice folks haven't physically hurt Debra or her sister is because the COPS would know exactly who did it and why. YOU folks hide behind names, post stupid emails and threads. YOu folks hide behind websites instead of standing up in front of a tv station, lawyers, court and lie detectors tests actually doing something about it. YOU folks are pulling an OJ. Looking everywhere but producing nothing. But in this case the correct MAN is in jail.

[findcarrie]

I have not heard anything since last week. She knows about the people standing up for her and Carrie. I usually dont say much back but when people keep attacking her it ticks me off.

[findcarrie]

Char:

They called me a witch on the FreeVincentDoan site in the guestbook.

I'm not a witch, I'm a B***tch. Get the facts STRAIGHT.

[bobbijo69]

excuse ME .. yOU DONT EVEN KNOW ME.. so HOW CAN YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ME? I am a single mother of a very precious 4 year old. And im not afraid to let me kids go out side to play. And if you must now i am very close friends with the Bakers and Doans and i dont feel like i have to worry about much of nothing. We live a very small and quite town.
And Just so you know CC.. VINCE WILL BE COMING HOME TO US VERY SOON: :)

[Char]

excuse ME .. yOU DONT EVEN KNOW ME.. so HOW CAN YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ME? I am a single mother of a very precious 4 year old. And im not afraid to let me kids go out side to play. And if you must now i am very close friends with the Bakers and Doans and i dont feel like i have to worry about much of nothing. We live a very small and quite town.
And Just so you know CC.. VINCE WILL BE COMING HOME TO US VERY SOON: :)

Lmao..I guess you would feel safe since your on "their side" and don't have to worry about being harrassed, threatened or intimidated. GIve me a break. Your so close huh?? good for you. Try talking some sense into them. Coming home soon huh?? .... I guess hell will be freezing over soon ya think?

[Char]

Char:

They called me a witch on the FreeVincentDoan site in the guestbook.

I'm not a witch, I'm a B***tch. Get the facts STRAIGHT.

Honey, I no longer read their trash let alone answer their emails to me. I have been called a biotch my whole life and especially in my military career. I served proudly and served in the Criminal Investigations Division. I for one wear that badge proudly. It looks like you do too. BTW, I am exactly who I say I am. I do not know the Doan/Baker Clan and I sure as hell do not support Vince and Tracey. I just dislike dirtbags that kill innocent girls and then whine about getting caught. Thanks.

[one loving cousin]

you people get more pathetic everytime you post something on here. why don't you stop bad mouthing everyone that is supporting Vince and just concentrate on finding your "precious Carrie". you two don't live here and you really don't know what is going on. The only things you know are what you hear from debbie Culberson and the rest of her "clan". They are only going to let you know what you need to know. Why don't you go talk to some of carries cousins? They will fill you in on how Carrie really was, but that doesnt even matter now, she is gone, and it isnt because Vincent did anything to her. You are saying that you all are helping the Culbersons, what exactly are you helping them do?
It doesnt matter how much you all hate vincent and talk trash about him thats not going to help you find Carrie, now is it? No its not, you people are so damn stubborn, I guess you are going to start saying Jarrod Messer is an angel too right???? Carrie wouldnt hang around anyone that did anything bad would she????? Oh never mind her friends testified in court that they did drugs with her, I forgot. Oh and by the way Char we dont have "a town sherrif" but I guess you would know that if you lived anywhere around here. You can bad mouth whoever you want and say what you want, I said it once before and I'll say it again, OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASSHOLES, EVERYONE HAS ONE.
No one is changing any email that is sent to Vincents websight either, we have got better things to do, like trying to find Carrie.
Why would Vincent even try to say anything to you people on this websight??? It's not like you would even hear what he was saying. You only hear what you want to, and that doesnt include the truth. Have a nice day everyone.
Why don' t you spend your time looking for Carrie instead of argiung with people?? By the way, We love you Vincent and Tracey, and we will be seeing you soon... ;)

[snorky]

This thread has degraded to the point of ineffectiveness and it is a sordid airing of personal attacks. Shameful, some of you should be embarrassed. I keep thinking it will improve. Is there a way we can communicate like reasonable adults? Isn't that how you prefer to be spoken to? I thought ideas and opinions were important but I can't get through the immaturity of many of these posts and the message is getting quite lost.

[findcarrie]

Did I read that last post correctly? You said Carrie is "dead". I thought you all said she is out there riding around somewhere?

I could give two craps about what kind of a person you thought Carrie Culberson was or IS - however you like to classify her. She didnt deserve what happened to her and if you dont like my thoughts or views, you can kiss my ass ok? I didnt create the website or anything to be sensitve to your damn thoughts, or twiches in your pants for Vincent Doan. I dont care what you think about me. It does not bother me. I lay down and sleep just fine every nite. I dont give a damn if she took drugs or had sex with 90 people, she did not deserve what happened to her and you are nothing but a loser for having the audasity to get up on a message board and say the things you have about somebody who is not able to defend themself.

ANybody else who doesnt like my views or information I have posted on that website can kiss my ass too. It dont take a rocket scientist to see what is going on here.

You can say whatever you want to about me, but the fact still remains that you are making a total ass of yourself and you have presented Vincent Doan in a ridiculous manner. I stand up up for what I believe in and your comments toward Carrie Culberson are not only stupid they are typical.

[snorky]

Did I read that last post correctly? You said Carrie is "dead". I thought you all said she is out there riding around somewhere?

I could give two craps about what kind of a person you thought Carrie Culberson was or IS - however you like to classify her. She didnt deserve what happened to her and if you dont like my thoughts or views, you can kiss my ass ok? I didnt create the website or anything to be sensitve to your damn thoughts, or twiches in your pants for Vincent Doan. I dont care what you think about me. It does not bother me. I lay down and sleep just fine every nite. I dont give a damn if she took drugs or had sex with 90 people, she did not deserve what happened to her and you are nothing but a loser for having the audasity to get up on a message board and say the things you have about somebody who is not able to defend themself.

ANybody else who doesnt like my views or information I have posted on that website can kiss my ass too. It dont take a rocket scientist to see what is going on here.

You can say whatever you want to about me, but the fact still remains that you are making a total ass of yourself and you have presented Vincent Doan in a ridiculous manner. I stand up up for what I believe in and your comments toward Carrie Culberson are not only stupid they are typical.
OK ~ Let's take a breath here. Something Carrie can't do. It does you no good to take the bait and have to "defend" what has been clear evidence. You have more support than you realize, and justice as well. More than MOST victems and their families can claim. We may not know the entire story yet, and perhaps we never will. Justice has been served to a degree in regards to protecting others from Carrie's tragic fate. May she rest in PEACE and may her family find some PEACE in knowing persons were held accountable for this deplorable act.

[blueclouds]

Well whomever the "lovin cousin" is... maybe more than lovin'... really, get a life. Your pathetic and very low to try and bash people who've lost a loved one to murder. Everything in life comes full circle and with all this energy you're putting towards hurting others will come back 100 fold. Trust me. You have a very sad sad existence. Go away. No one wants to hear this crap anymore... and sweetie... Carrie's family WILL have justice til your sweet cousin dies in prison. He AIN'T coming home..................ever. But you go ahead and believe what you want, I pity you terribly. How sad you are indeed.

[Jade]

Debbie Culberson, Carrie Culberson & Christina Culberson may be a whoremongers in the eyes of Vincent Doan's family but let's try this on for size. Vincent Doan moved another girl into his residence less than two weeks after Carrie went missing. He was having an affair with his Brother's wife, and Vince's father has a total of 62 children outside of his marriage to Betty Baker whom he's been married to for 37 years . Vincent Doan told the POLICE this when they took him into custody. Vince was one of those children Lawrence Baker had. Vince's mother Priscilla Doan WORKS for Lawrence Baker & his wife. Betty Baker allows this to happen. Not only THAT... Lawrence Baker (Vince's father) has a child with Priscilla Doan's daugther Katrina.


Am I the only one shocked by all this?
Is this normal in that area?
And what about more people not taking action when it was obvious that Carrie was being abused?

I looked at the VD site and that picture of him standing
is just plain icky.

Please notice that this site is for sleuthing. We are interested
in debating the information in a somewhat rational manner.

[budda-fly]

Am I the only one shocked by all this?
Is this normal in that area?


;) Please don't believe that everyone from this area ... (Blanchester, Wilmington, Clinton County in general) are all "inbred". I know that it would seem so, with Lawrence Baker being "Daddy" to half the population of Blanchester, but some of us are very happy to share no blood ties with "Southern Ohio's Very Own Manson Family" ...

I'm embarassed by the way that some of the people posting on here, proudly stating that they are from Blanchester, have led others to believe that we are all illiterate, inbred, "cousin-boinking" hill-jacks.

Cuz, you know the saying, "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, then it's a duck" ... well, if Vincey looks like a murderer, acts like a murderer, wears blood like a murderer, and is convicted as a murderer, honey, he's a murderer. :bang:

That's all I've got to say about that ... (For now ...)

[nanandjim]

Am I the only one shocked by all this?
...Please notice that this site is for sleuthing. We are interested
in debating the information in a somewhat rational manner.
I agree. I am thinking about alerting admin about many of these unreasonable posts and posters. Some of you posters may want to revisit your posts and clean up the disparaging remarks and personal attacks. You can be banned from this site for things like this.

[findcarrie]

Do you all see whats hapepning? Folks are not allowed to come post information about Carrie Culberson. It has become a harassment society, just like what the family has to endure on a daily basis. Nobody cant stand up toe to toe with anybody, they gotta do stupid stuff like this or do stuff under the table to anybody working to help find Carrie.

The harassment doesnt stop there. It comes over onto me, and every part of my personal life. That's ok though, because I dont have hide behind anything and I wont run and hide from the lame comments about who and what I stand for.

I'm sick of these people and what they continue to do. I guess I'm just grateful that the online community is seeing first hand what is going on and how this all works. It's always something under the table. It's never something where you show your face up there in that town for the actions you are doing, or typing some lame comment about one of us on a message board, but somehow nobody can find out just who is saying it, although there are those of us who know exactly who you are.

[Char]

:bang: I was just over looking at the convicted murderer's website and they actually had one poster slandering Debbie and making accusations about the money that was collected for Carrie and asking what Debbie "did" with it and "what happened" to the reward money. All sorts of stuff about how her mom worked at some bar/restaurant and how she served drinks and supposedly ALL the law enforcement in the surrounding area (judges, police, attornies (sp) went there and no wonder the convicted murderer couldn't get a fair trial. These enablers will never stop until Vincent Doan admits what he did and accepts his responsibility, and then HE can tell them to move on.

[findcarrie]

The money that was given for the reward fund is now in posession by the Clinton County Prosecutor's office. They have it and Debbie Culberson cant give it to anybody or use it for herself.
You can call them to inquire about it.

[findcarrie]

Debbie Culberson does not work at a bar.
She worked at a bar as a bartender a long time ago, at night to help take care of the two girls. She was a single mother.
She owns & operates an antique shop now which is downstairs from Carrie's sister's hair salon.

That statement is untrue.

[Jade]

What a horror this all is.

God bless the Culberson family and all the members of the community
who have had their world debased by VD.

[snorky]

Find Carrie ~ I am glad that you are getting an opportunity to clear up some of these misleading statements. It really is important to us, and I love when you stomp out the lies. Thanks, you make a difference!:)

[one loving cousin]

Excuse me, but I believe that Debbie Culberson is the one that said Carrie is "dead".
Char and Find Carrie, whoever you are, I don't really care, you arent helping anyone accomlpish anything. If you people really were interested in finding Carrie you would have been looking at all of the tips that the police have recieved not just some of them. You are hurting Carrie more than you are helping her. You are too busy bodied people and obviously you have nothing better to do than get into other peoples business and start more ****. You don't even know what you are talking about, Debbie Culberson did work in a bar and it wasn't a long time ago. She worked at Samuel Walkers in Wilmington, until she got her money that is.
For your information, since you are such good friends with her and all, you should know this, Debbies antique store, which she bought after she got her money, is UPSTAIRS from Christinas hair salon, which she also boght after she got her money. I suggest next time you check in with your good buddy before you start passing out the wrong information again.
Im glad that you two keep looking at Vincents websight that way you will be sure to know when we find Carrie because you definately arent doing anything to help. We love you Vincent and Tracey!!!!!!! :D

[one loving cousin]

What a horror this all is.

God bless the Culbertson family and all the members of the community
who have had their world debased by VD.


Jade
Carries last name is Culberson, not Culbertson :doh:

[Jade]

Jade
Carries last name is Culberson, not Culbertson :doh:

Thank you for the correction – that was a typo on my part.
I have fixed it on my post.

[Char]

Excuse me, but I believe that Debbie Culberson is the one that said Carrie is "dead". Char and Find Carrie, whoever you are, I don't really care, you arent helping anyone accomlpish anything. If you people really were interested in finding Carrie you would have been looking at all of the tips that the police have recieved not just some of them. For your information, since you are such good friends with her and all, you should know this, Debbies antique store, which she bought after she got her money, is UPSTAIRS from Christinas hair salon, which she also boght after she got her money. I suggest next time you check in with your good buddy before you start passing out the wrong information again.
Im glad that you two keep looking at Vincents websight that way you will be sure to know when we find Carrie because you definately arent doing anything to help. We love you Vincent and Tracey!!!!!!! :D

:behindbar Your boy is in JAIL and will be for life. Now that is something we can chat about if you like. Secondly, your spelling is off, the word boght should be bought. YOU sound a little flustered, get the spelling correct before you criticize others. Honey..I for one bypass the web site and go directly to the message board. I have forwarded the link to the police detective handling the case so they can see themselves the slanderous comments you have made about Debbie and FindCarrie. No need to change the words that you shall have for them because they have the originals from your stupid site. Yeah you love Vincent and Tracey on visiting days don't you? How often do you visit your jailbirds? Often I hope to keep him appraised of the fact that soooo many folks are glad that he is in jail. PS..tell him how you were booed of the CTV Missing Person's thread because no one wanted to support your dirtbag relatives that murdered and buried an innocent girl. Now that's a class act isn't it? Gotta love watching the clan from Blanchester do their deeds on this and other sites huh? Keep up the good work spreading the gospel..btw..I shall say a prayer that your Vincent and Tracey repent while they are in prison. Ta Ta!! Gotta love Carrie, Debra and Christian Culberson. A rose for them for being Angels!!

[Char]

one loving cousin: As for Char, welll she is still trying to convince the world she is a sweet person who is concerned for Carrie, and Rachel changed her emails, YEAH RIGHT, GIMME A BREAK PEOPLE. :clap:

:dance: now this is funny..one person is is emailing me and saying I have changed my email address on the other website? Folks you are pretty childish if you think you or your troll network have any bearing on my day or my life. You only know what Vincent wants you to know. Period. My email has always been the same and your Racheltroll has the address..which no one has responded too. Why you ask? Because they are chicken, that's why. THe email you are responding too folks goes directly to the PD. Have a great day folks!! BTW, did you visit your Vincent in jail today? If the answer is YES, think of Carrie's mother Debra Culberson not BEING able to visit her daughter at a grave or anywhere. Now that is sad isn't it? An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Too bad that doesn't apply here in Vincey's case. HE is lucky he wasn't convicted in Texas.

[findcarrie]

Yes that is correct. The antique shop is upstairs from the salon. She can spend the settlement money however she feels. THat is a small price to pay for taking her daughter who they've never found. Betcha next time the town will think twice before botching an investigation. It was never about the money, it was about showing the community that this was wrong and to prevent it from happening again to somebody else's kid.

She still lives in the same house and doesnt drive all these fancy vehicles you all seem to tell people about. She owns a black camaro IROC and a Jeep Cherokee. Hardly a Porche or Ferrari.
Of course those could be set on fire at any given date like the Whitten's cars.

[Char]

:mad: FindCarrie: Has the Doan/Baker Clan made any direct threats directly to Debra? If so has she retained some kind of security to protect herself and her home? I wouldn't put anything past that clan hiding behind false nics and making threatening phone calls too her. Figures huh ... seems like the family of the school year bully doesn't like that they put her bullyabuserkillerconvictedmurderer away for life. Too fricken bad.

BTW, Debra can do whatever she chooses with the money from the County. The Doan'Baker clan are just jealous that they don't have to have it and get milk the county for their false accusations. Sad isn't it?

Keep up the good work Jill. God and Debra appreciate it.

Vincent and Tracey: Good Luck in Jail and hope you enjoy your long stay. Do you have enough soap and supplies to tide you over? Hope so. Say good night to Bubba for me!!

[findcarrie]

I was quoted on Vincent Doan's site for being a person who is unable to keep my nose out of everybody's business. Well, that's pretty much true as far as Carrie Culberson goes. I pride myself in going where people wish I wouldnt. I also work on missing person cases so I have the right to talk to other missing person advocates and I do as often as I can. That's hilarious. Is that all you have to come at me with?


How many people are working to help your establishment?

[Jade]

[QUOTE=bobbijo69]MY answers:
......it really has nothing to do with this case other than to satisfy your own curiosity.
QUOTE]

On this site we are very curious about everything. If you expect people to entertain your side of the story well...only the curious will listen.

One loving cousin – I hear your pain. You did say some supportive things about losing a child. I agree with you that no stone should go unturned.
Instead of addressing Carrie’s group then how about telling those of us that are impartial what the debated details are? A jury sent VD to jail for a very long time – did you ever have any doubts?

Although this thread is dedicated to Carrie it is not her personal site and all reasonable discussion should be entertained.

No fair everyone trying to guess who is who! We are here to debate and no one is going to come forward with information if they are scared away with behind the scenes guessing games.

It is well established that the two sides are not fond of each other. With that behind us is there anything to discuss?

[coopkid]

:laugh: Char...your posts crack me up. You are too funny!

FindCarrie: Are you an investigator (professionally), or did you also have a family member end up missing (if you don't mind my asking)? I'm just curious....I noticed that you are in Georgia but have been actively involved in this case and others.....
I live in the Blanchester area but dont know either family (I've only been here a few years). The place where they have been digging is just a few miles from my house. I also grew up in a small southern ohio town where things like this just dont happen.....I guess that's why I'm so interested in this case....Also, while I didn't know Carrie, she was a "friend of a friend"....I remember hearing about her disappearance back when it happened. I have shopped at Debra Culberson's antique store (love it) a couple of times, but I didn't know that that was her....it is upstairs from a hair salon.

[findcarrie]

I am not related to Carrie Culberson nor have I had a friend or family member go missing. If you are familiar with Dennis Mahon and his work for the Modaferri and Kristin Smart family, well that is what I basically do for the Culberson family. I feel very strongly about what I do and I was not hired by anybody for my services, despite what rumors may be floating about that.

I dont take offense to people who have stated that I'm a nosey B#@*h who cant stay out of people's business. I take that as a compliment, because the LAST thing that I EVER want to happen is for anybody to forget about Carrie.

[Blown Away]

Jade,

At the risk of being "slapped down", I would like to reply to your post. I live in Blanchester and am familiar with both families and although I am a huge fan of Debbie and the total heart she has, I have lived here long enough to wonder about some of the investigation that has surrounded this case. We all know that the initial investigation was totally bungled by our local police chief and he plea bargained his way out of having to answer questions about his behavior or his departments action or lack there of, but what this has done is create an atmosphere where people are just not certain what happened or if Debbie will ever be able to put Carrie to rest and thus find closure not just for herself but for all of us who have witnessed the unrest in our town. Although I do not agree with the methods that Vince's supporters have used to try to make their "point", I do have to respect that they feel he has also been victimized (and no I do not want to have Carrie's supporters "chasing me off" simply because I can set my personal feelings aside and see why they feel they have reason to question and doubt the validity of Vince's incarceration). I have read both sites (Carrie's and Vince's) and followed the posts on both this site and CTV's and I really feel that both sides have been a little crass in trying to make their case. The goal here shouldn't be to belittle the other's points of view or point fingers and name call and slander either family, the goal should be to find Carrie and help both families realize the truth and find closure. I know the very obstinate and opinionated posters can't see the good in doing just that, but having lived in Blanchester and watching what happened before and after Carrie's disappearance I think that there are avenues to closure that haven't yet been explored or discovered and if there are other possibilities it is worth exploring so that Debbie and Christina have someplace to feel Carrie's presence. The truth will out in the end, but we have to find ways to help it and bashing heads obviously isn't getting it done. I haven't noticed any real "sleuthing" going on here!

[Char]

:banghead: If Vincent was "told" by his attorney and daddy not to testify or take a lie detector test or even sodiaum amytal (I don't care if they are admissable in court or not) why hasn't he offered to take one now voluntarily? There is no reason nor excuse for him not to. Have him offer through the prison where he is located and for his latest attorney to get one for him with a neutral person asking the questions. That may be a step toward finding out what REALLY happened to Carrie. He still isn't cooperating with anyone that really matters in this case. I for one don't care what he has told his family. Family will believe anything they are told, I am talking about ONE neutral party that the Doan/Baker Clan can't intimidate or harrass or even speak with. Then only then will I even consider looking somewhere else. PS..He would have to be totally truthful even if it implicated ANYONE in his family. He needs to do the ultimate if he is totally innocent. Seems he isn't really doing anything except taking up space in prison.

Thank you. God Bless Carrie, Debra and Christina Culberson. May they find peace soon.

[coopkid]

Jade.......
I am interested in debating it. I posted some questions earlier in this thread but so far haven't really heard anyone else's thoughts on these points:


1. Doan's supporters are now pointing to Messer, suggesting he acted without Doan. A lot of folks have claimed (on Vincent Doan's website) that Carrie overdosed at Messer's house, and "they" got scared and buried her. Who are "they"? Did "they" not realize that far more trouble would come upon them for gross abuse of a corpse, obstruction of justice, etc.,etc., than for getting high at a party? Any drugs or illegal paraphernalia could easily have been gotten rid of before calling the police/ambulance. Easier than getting rid of a body. Oh, sorry....A body AND a car. Right. People O.D. all the time, but that doesn't mean that everyone in the immediate vicinity is automatically sent up for murder. So I don't buy this "they got scared" theory.....obviously, there is more to this story than any accidental overdose. Also, how were "they" so sure she was dead and not passed out? Were they medics? Did they try to revive her (while NOT calling 911)? If someone accidentally overdosed at your house, would you bury them in your backyard? And expect not to be found out? This is a ridiculous theory.

2. Who built the barn? Actually constructed it? Was it built after her disappearance, or was it just the lean-to that was built after her disappearance? I am confused about this....

3. So now the folks on Doan's site are posting that of course Carrie was at Messer's....this is where she went to pick up her drugs. This conflicts with the previous claim that "Vincent and his father went to look for her at Christopher's bar in Hillsboro, because this is where Carrie got her drugs".......Messer's barn is a long way from Christopher's bar in Hillsboro.

4. Purely speculation here......but, I have been around the old block a few times, so to speak. If anyone had a drug habit here, it wasn't the Culberson girl. She:
- was gainfully employed.
- was apparently attending a community college (I know a professor at Clermont who mentioned that Carrie was in her class, so I know this is true).
- (judging by her pictures) always looked healthy, neat, CLEAN, and well-put together.
- was involved in sports (played on a volleyball team). As a general rule, people who are heavily into the drug scene do not get involved in sports. Trust me on this; I've been there and I know.
- had goals in life.

5. A 22 year old girl whose family, job, friends, & boyfriend are all in the immediate area, where she has lived all her life, does not just take off and move to another state over her lunch hour, never to be seen or heard from again. Also, how would she have supported herself without being able to use her car (which eventually would have been seen) and without any money? (The court transcript says that her bank account remained untouched). This theory is even more ridiculous than the overdose theory.

6. What does Mr. Doan have to say about the recent events? People in prison still have internet access. Why doesn't he post on his website?

Also, assuming that Doan is guilty, how/why is Messer involved? Some say that he is a known dealer. He does appear to have a string of arrests....Were Doan and Messer involved in a ring (drug ring, stolen property, etc.), and possibly together (Carrie there as well) that night? Maybe there was an accident (car accident?) and these guys didn't want to let anyone know because of warrants, what they might have had with them, etc........who knows. There are plenty of back country roads around here where something could happen without attracting a lot of immediate attention (especially late at night)... If Doan had the temper/violent tendencies that he appears to have had, I have no trouble believing that he killed her (without meaning to)....But I do have some trouble with the claim that he cut her up.....I would think that he would be way too emotionally distraught to carry out something that cold & calculating. Of course, there is the possibility that he allowed his brother & the Messer guy to dispose of her body while he got rid of the car.....I read somewhere that he borrowed his dad's tow truck that night? From the timeline of events, it doesn't seem that Vincent and Tracy were gone from Tracy's house for a real long time.....so whatever they did, they would had to have done it pretty quickly (and obviously thoroughly)....so I think it is reasonable to theorize that Messer might have helped them. The strange part is WHY....I read that they were acquaintances....maybe they were actually close friends, maybe not. Maybe Messer owed Doan a favor.
At present, this part of the state is saturated with methamphetamine and makeshift labs. I don't know if it was in 1996. I don't know if that is even relevant, but it seems to play a role in many criminal cases in this area.

Any thoughts?

[findcarrie]

Court TV's the System will be airing the episode this coming Tuesday, June 15, 2004 at 8 p.m. about Carrie Culberson and her disappearance. The title of the show is "missing"
Please check your local tv listing to make sure you dont miss it in your particular time zone.

FindCarrie
www.findcarrieculberson.com

[Jade]

The reported blood just seems to rule out an accidental overdose. It doesn’t make sense to do any butchering when they could have driven her car to a neutral location posed her body then if they were really human call in a tip from a pay phone about someone passed out in a car? If the perpetrators were doing meth that would explain somewhat.

It still bothers me that Carrie seemed almost resigned to her fate. Many women are killed after filing charges they are most vulnerable during the time they are trying to breakup.
http://www.cincypost.com/news/1997/doan110697.html (www.cincypost.com/news/1997/doan110697.html) “Throughout the trial, prosecutors argued that Doan abused his former girlfriend for nearly two years before finally killing her on Aug. 29, 1996. Doan has said he never harmed Ms. Culberson and claims she still is alive.”….. ''I admit that I'm an innocent person,'' he said. ''That's all I admit.'' On what does he base this claim? Sorry sightings by strangers are just too flimsy.
http://www.courttv.com/archive/casefiles/verdicts/doan.html Tracey, a truck driver, was on the road trip when he was indicted but was arrested in Kentucky. Hmm there would be plenty of places to dissipate the corpse on the road. What kind of person would have the stomach or will to do so?
“Doan disputed that testimony Tuesday when he addressed the jury for the first time in a brief, unsworn statement. He told jurors he loves Ms. Culberson and believes she is still alive. ''I'm still not going to give up faith in her,'' Doan said. ''It hurts me to see that her friends and family would give up on her so easily.'” I thought he didn’t love her anymore……..
[URL=http://www.courttv.com/archive/casefiles/verdicts/doan.html (http://www.cincypost.com/news/1997/doan110597.html [/URL) When the mother confronted Doan a third time the day after Carrie's disappearance, he told her that Carrie drove by his home at 12:30 a.m and that they had argued. Doan claimed that Carrie drove away after he told her that he did not love her anymore.

Quote 3. So now the folks on Doan's site are posting that of course Carrie was at Messer's....this is where she went to pick up her drugs. This conflicts with the previous claim that "Vincent and his father went to look for her at Christopher's bar in Hillsboro, because this is where Carrie got her drugs".......Messer's barn is a long way from Christopher's bar in Hillsboro.

Ah ha! A timeline blunder!
Carrie’s site would not let me copy and paste but he clocked out of work the next morning and did not return but then called the salon saying he was on his lunch hour.

Work will be in the way of posting for several days but I wanted to throw this stuff on the table.
IMO

[Jade]

[QUOTE=findcarrie]Court TV's the System will be airing the episode this coming Tuesday, June 15, 2004 at 8 p.m. about Carrie Culberson and her disappearance. The title of the show is "missing"
Please check your local tv listing to make sure you dont miss it in your particular time zone.

Sorry to double dip but you posted while I was struggling with the links.
Some of us do not have cable. Could you fill us in on what you think or let us know if it is worth seeking the transcripts?

[snorky]

[QUOTE=findcarrie]Some of us do not have cable. Could you fill us in on what you think or let us know if it is worth seeking the transcripts?
I don't have CTV so I rely on this site for information. Hope that someone puts in a summary or transcripts.....

[Char]

:confused: What happened to the Vince side wanting to prove their boy is innocent? Why hasn't he taken a lie detector test? There is no reason for him not to take the test. No lawyer or daddy to tell him not too. If he is so intent on clearing his good name and getting out of jail I say speak up now and ask his attorney for a test. Get someone neutral and if he is invasive in any way, consider him guilty.

Guess they are not so interested. I guess they had their chance.

Thanks again for proving us right!! :clap:

[Jade]

[QUOTE=coopkid].
2. Who built the barn? Actually constructed it? Was it built after her disappearance, or was it just the lean-to that was built after her disappearance? I am confused about this.... [Quote]




Found this:
http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:L99CCa-ILCQJ:www.daytondailynews.com/localnews/content/localnews/daily/0512culberson.html+carrie+culberson&hl=en



Investigators two weeks ago began tearing out the concrete floor of the pole barn and removing the gravel floor of the lean-to portion of it after they received an informant's tip that Culberson's body was buried there.

They found all of the articles at a depth of three to four feet, but only in the ground beneath the gravel in the lean-to. The pole barn was constructed in 1996, around the time of Culberson's disappearance, while the lean-to portion was built two years later.

Investigators said they believe the body was buried under the lean-to portion prior to its construction.

"We don't believe her actual remains are here," Dunn said.

[one loving cousin]

Oh I guess you know exactly what Vincent is doing everyday, now don't you Char? How do you know what he has agreed to and what he hasnt? Oh I guess your little friend Find Carrie hasnt told you anything so therefore you don't know right? Maybe thats because she doesnt know everything after all. Yes, Lawrence and Vincent did go to Christophers bar in Hillsboro to look for Carrie after she disappeared, but Jarrod Messer had been known to hang out there too. The Bakers and Doans looked several places for Carrie after she disappeared, unlike her own mother, we werent convinced that she was dead as soon as she didnt come home. Yes, the stories have changed many times as to what happened to Carrie, if you werent with her at the time she disappeared how would you know what happened to her????? Maybe her friends need to be questioned again.
There were many things wrong with the way this case was presented at trial and because of all the new evidence that has come up we will get a new trial. Char and Find Carrie, you are welcome to come if you would like, then maybe you will know the real truth and you wont have to keep spreading lies. Vincent and Tracey we love you and we will be seeing you soon. :)

[nanandjim]

... Vincent and Tracey ...we will be seeing you soon. :)
You need to step back and read your posts from an objective point of view. Your posts are petty and hateful and certainly do nothing to reflect positively on your relatives. If I were Vince or Tracey, I would cringe at what you are writing on their behalf.

[Char]

Oh I guess you know exactly what Vincent is doing everyday, now don't you Char? How do you know what he has agreed to and what he hasnt? "you are welcome to come if you would like, then maybe you will know the real truth and you wont have to keep spreading lies." Vincent and Tracey we love you and we will be seeing you soon. :)

:boohoo: Now that is funny.......you can't answer a simple question can you? Because your boy is a liar, an abuser and now a convicted murderer. Now isn't that special. The only group spreading lies are you and your nice clan of Harrassers/Intimidators/Abusers. lmao....Yeah I know what he is doing everyday, living his life behind BARS. Yessirreee. The only way you will prove anyone wrong is to convince your boys Vincey and Tracey to take lie detector tests. As usual you are a bunch of whiners..all talk and no action I see. Your right you will be seeing Vincent and Tracey soon...ON VISITING DAYS. Have a great day while your boys are spending another weekend in Jail at taxpayers expense. I know I am glad that they are still in jail. Two less criminals in public. Lie Detector or not? I guess not huh? :clap:

[Jade]

This article is interesting.

http://www.cincypost.com/news/1997/doan111597.html (http://)

None of that really concerned Mrs. Culberson until her oldest daughter, Carrie, decided to drive down to the Clinton County Jail to visit Doan.
He was charming, she told her mom, and she hoped to date him when he got out.

Is this how they met? Starting a relationship with someone in jail for assault?
Was she obsessed with him?

Though police have described him as a ''career criminal,'' Baker's record is not long. In 20 years, his arrests include one for a concealed weapon and another for receiving stolen property. The latter involved cars at his salvage yard that he admits ''didn't belong to me.''

A father with a salvage yard would be handy if you needed to take apart a car and have it go away.

Lori Baker has admitted having a ''glorious'' affair with Doan. Tracey Baker, in turn, was arrested last month in the company of Doan's new girlfriend.

"Glorious" – yikes. Does she know Scott Peterson?

[findcarrie]

I would like to make a comment for this online community to see regarding this statement on Vincent Doan's fan site about Debbie Culberson having the license plate to Carrie's still missing Honda CRX (license plate ROL402). Debbie Culberson does not have any material like this. At the time of the trial, there was a duplicate of the license plate made for trial purposes only. To show to the witnesses who alledgly saw the car.

It resides at the Clinton County Prosecutor's office along with all the other items that were used during the trial, example the large photo's of Carrie. SHe is not allowed to even have that back until the last appeal is exhausted for Vincent Doan. WHoever made that statment is making a false accusation.

[one loving cousin]

:eek: What a surprise, again your information is incorrect regarding the "license plate". Carrie only had one plate on her car, the rear plate, therefore there was NO duplicate made for court purposes. The front plate that was never on her car is the one that Debbie had. :snooty: We love you Vincent and Tracey and will see you soon.

[findcarrie]

Ok if the car is missing, and Richard Moyer used it in the trial, where did he get it? The front of the CRX has no front license plate holder.

Viewers read these articles here :

http://www.cincypost.com/news/1997/carrie051797.html

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/1997/07/30/loc_carrie.html

[findcarrie]

And please post an article for all statements made regarding this case to ensure that nobody is called a liar or stating facts out of context. Thank you

FindCarrie

[one loving cousin]

You just answered your own question, Carries car had no license plate holder, so therefore it was not even on the car.

[findcarrie]

THe car had a rear plate only. That plate is not available because the car is missing - as well as Carrie. The tag that was held up in Court was a duplicate made. Her mother does not have that tag and she never did. I know this because her mother didnt even have the VIN on the car. All that is at the prosecutor's office. Those of us working to circulate the VIN know this.

VIN = Vehicle Identifcation Number

:rolleyes:

[one loving cousin]

I guess you don't have a car that you have ever had to buy license for, because they come in pairs....two.... understand?
You can get a copy of the court transcript and READ that it was Carries second plate, NOT A DUPLICATE. :doh:
I don't need articles to show everyone, I was at the whole trial and I know what was said. :)

[findcarrie]

Nowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say, but nothing comes out when they move their lips, just a bunch of jibberish.

Jill did this ... Jill did that... Uh Oh teacher am I in trouble?


Articles please, or I cant understand you.

[snorky]

:eek: What a surprise, again your information is incorrect regarding the "license plate". Carrie only had one plate on her car, the rear plate, therefore there was NO duplicate made for court purposes. The front plate that was never on her car is the one that Debbie had. :snooty: We love you Vincent and Tracey and will see you soon.
Please clarify the importance of Debbie having the aledged front plate. If it is the originally issued front plate, are you trying to say she had access to the car after the disappearance? I find that impossible to believe. If she in fact does have an issued plate, what does that prove? That she had it before the disappearance? Are you saying she was somehow involved in the disappearance or has concealed knowledge and is trying to frame VD? I don't know what you are trying to establish. I guess I am lost.

[one loving cousin]

Well Snorky.... I guess the license plate issue is of no real importance to the case, and to what happened to Carrie, just as the rest of the information that has been given and ignored is of no importance. I thought that everyone wanted to find out the real truth. No one said Debbie had access to Carries car after her disappearance but you. She did however have access to the license plate that was not on her car.

[snorky]

OLC ~ I didn't say she had access to the plate. I was asking you if that was what you were implying. Is it my imagination or are you twisting my words?

Find Carrie posted:

It resides at the Clinton County Prosecutor's office along with all the other items that were used during the trial, example the large photo's of Carrie. SHe is not allowed to even have that back until the last appeal is exhausted for Vincent Doan. WHoever made that statment is making a false accusation.

I take this to be truthful, because it can be verified. I should have asked you if you meant, she is the one making a false accusation. I guess that is what you mean? They returned it to her, but she is misleading about how she acquired it?
:waitasec:

If information is still being ignored that is because of LE. I know you feel strongly about searching Messer's property. If your side can't get LE to cooperate, what makes you believe that anyone else can get them to cooperate and do the search? Have you started a petition (I wouldn't know, so I am asking)? Personally I would like the search to be made. Not that it would exhonerate VD - just in case Carrie IS there.

[nanandjim]

...I would like the search to be made. Not that it would exhonerate VD - just in case Carrie IS there.
I don't know the whole story. However, if LE refuses to dig up/search other Messer properties, it may be because Messer is in fact cooperating with LE. I know there are published reports that he is not. But perhaps that is the official stance to protect him from bodily harm.

I understand that OLC claims that Vince, Tracey and the entire clan are peace loving and wouldn't harm a fly. I somehow think that this is not true. I have faith in law enforcement to do what is right. I'm not saying that they don't make mistakes. I'm willing to trust that they know what they are doing in this case.

Debbie Culberson and her family would definitely be pushing for them to look on any property that they felt might give them clues as to where Carrie's body is.

[snorky]

Another reason I would like to see the search made is to end the speculation.

[findcarrie]

Debbie Culberson would be more than willing to dig up any property and to look at any person who might could lead her back to Carrie. She has never just focused on Vince and refused to look into other possibilities. Although we will be accused of God knows what, I will tell you this. Her mother believes and so does most logical thinking people that Carrie is dead. Carrie would not leave town w/out telling her mom or sister bye.
ANytime a tip comes in that is viable, she will follow up on it. Her words to me is, It's damn if you do, and damn if you dont, but I will do all I can to find my daughter, although I know she is dead. She said a mother always wants to hope she is out there somewhere, but you always want to leave every rock unturned, and as usual all the leads turn up as dead ends. They still look for Carrie whenever they know of a place to go to. So dont ever believe that we are just sitting on our tails because Vince is in jail.
We still dont have Carrie.

[snorky]

Find Carrie ~ That was a very touching post. Thank you for sharing more of Debbies feelings. It is very heartbreaking. I hope you don't think I meant I felt Debbie is ignoring any possibilities of finding Carrie. I am sure there is a reason that the property is not being searched, but don't know what it is. Can you shed a little light on why LE feels the search to be unecessary? I know if I were in Debbie's position, I would want to look there so I could eliminate that possibility.

[Blown Away]

Is it possible that they haven't initiated a search on Messer's other property because the final results from the initial search are not in? It would seem to be a waste of tax payers dollars if a new search began and the evidence we have all been waiting on is just days away from being announced. It is my understanding that the doctor from Mt. St. Jo just started her search of the soil last Friday. And, this part of the search is the most time consuming and labor intensive. I haven't given up on this search providing the closure we all need.

[snorky]

Is it possible that they haven't initiated a search on Messer's other property because the final results from the initial search are not in? It would seem to be a waste of tax payers dollars if a new search began and the evidence we have all been waiting on is just days away from being announced.
That, I can understand. Thank you for your insight!

[Blown Away]

Jade,

For some reason your link to this article is not working, but I've heard all this before.

I want to reply to your first quote. Carrie knew Vince from school, but didn't start dating him until after she visited him in jail for the assault on Bobby. I don't think she was obsessed with him, but she couldn't seem to stay away from him. They weren't a "steady" item for the years that they dated. They periodically dated other people, but always seem to find their way back to each other after what seemed like a very short time apart.

One other thing-pertaining to your last quote about Lori having the glorious affair with Vince and Tracey dating Shannon-Tracey also dated a girl who dated Jarrod Messer. I'm not sure what this would say about the theory that Vince and Jarrod were friends.

[findcarrie]

There are many things that the prosecutor's office and the police do that they dont tell Debbie. Example: Debbie Culberson did not even know about the excavation until two days after it had begun. A friend called her and told her while she was on the way to the memorial for Carrie on April 30th.
I am sure there is a possibility that they are not digging anywhere else until these soil samples are back. However, we all seem to feel like something is still being looked into. This time the higher ups, so to speak, are making sure that no balls are dropped this time, like the last. There is STILL a police officer on guard 24 hours over there at that last excavation site.
She will endure this until she finds Carrie. We have all learned to understand the constant harassment and changing around of our words, as we have learned to be let down on a regular basis when we get a lead that in the past has ended up with nothing. I will say that this last search has provided more for us than any of the others that have occured in the past. If anything it definetly leads us to know for a fact that some of our suspicians and prior testimony now hold more substance than what was challenged before.
I believe that we will find the answers when God sees fit. We will just have to remain patient and that is something we work on each day.

[Blown Away]

findcarrie,

Our local news reported that the 24 hour guard has been lifted. I haven't found it on a link for any of the papers, but I did hear it on Fox 19 news out of Cincinnati. Perhaps, even the local news makes mistakes?

[findcarrie]

You are probably right. It was still going on as of Tuesday. It is Saturday now.

[Blown Away]

FYI-Blanchester's police chief, Gable, resigned his position. His last day will be June 26. I think this must be the dominoes starting to fall that is posted on Vince's site. Not sure what Gable's resignation has to do with Carrie's case since he didn't come on board until well after Peyton's "fall from grace". We have a new mayor and new council members also...

[Chanel]

Who is peyton?

[Blown Away]

The police chief at the time of Carrie's disappearance who bungled the case.

[coopkid]

jade.....the link in your last post isn't working. I found the article, though. I will try to post it again...

http://www.cincypost.com/news/1997/n111597.html

It was interesting. What an odd bunch. I wonder when Lawrence Baker was charged with receiving stolen property? If I'm not mistaken, I think that Jarrod Messer also has a previous arrest for receiving stolen property....I don't know the details of that, though....I'll have to look it up again. A lot of these counties have public court records online, and you can look them up by name or case file (this is how I learned of Messer's arrests).

The account detailing the shooting of Mr. Montgomery was interesting.......I wonder if that girl (China Foor?) was questioned or testified in the Doan trial. I read somewhere else that some of his ex-girlfriends testified that he (Doan) was non-violent.

Did Messer live alone? That barn is practically outside his back door (if that's the house he lived in at the time). It would be tough to dig up someone's back yard without them noticing, I would think. It appears that he has been in & out of jail a few times. Was he incarcerated for something at the time of Carrie's disappearance, leaving his house vacant? If not, then it seems he would have had to have been involved in this.

According to the trial testimony, a neighbor of Doan's says that Mr. Doan asked to borrow car ramps from him the day after Carrie's disappearance...and then allegedly made a comment about not wanting folks to know what he was doing. What do you suppose he would have been concerned about on the underside of the car? (This would have been his brother's car, and the same car they used the night before when they left Tracy's house?....his sister-in-law said that he took it for the day to
clean it...she drove Vincent's car in the meantime). I read somewhere that the police found a couple of long, dark hairs in the trunk, but later decided that they were not Carrie's. I don't know if DNA testing was used, or how they actually reached this conclusion.

I don't know much about salvage yards....Do all salvage yards use car crusher/compacters? Do the Baker's use one of these at their salvage yard? I have heard that Mr. Baker has more than 1 of these "junkyards".....I don't know if that's true, or where they are located. I did hear that from someone local who is acquainted with these people.

I also think it's sort of curious that Mr. Doan took a shower before leaving his brothers house (with the garbage bags, etc.)....I realize that she said he had blood smeared on his chest/arms, but I would think that if I were trying to get rid of a body, I would be in sort of a hurry to get the job done, before anyone noticed it. Or was somebody else working on that, while he went to enlist brother Tracy's help?

[hoping for the truth]

It certainly has been very quiet here today, has everyone decided to regroup their thoughts? Hopefully the name calling and untruths have expired, and concentration on the subject at hand , FIND CARRIE, can come to an answer . Where is Carrie? Everyone deserves to know. Debbie deserves to have peace, Vincent and Tracey deserve a new trial, and the responsible parties need to come clean and speak up.

Oh, and by the way, The Baker salvage yard does NOT have a car crusher.

[Chanel]

Who are the responsible parties, hoping for the truth? In your opinion? If you don't mind me asking.

[coopkid]

Any thoughts on what sort of connection the "tipster" might have had to this case? And why they waited so long to call in the tip (did the opportunity present itself once Messer was safely locked up)? The person calling in the tip was (I assume) anonymous and should remain so....I'm just wondering how many folks there are out there who know exactly what happened, and have known all along...

What does Jarrod Messer do for a living (aside from his criminal career)?

I read somewhere that Lawrence Baker had a freezer full of meat buried on his property (the police checked it out and determined it to be deer meat, I think)......Nothing to do with this case apparently, it just sounded bizarre. Why on earth would anyone do that?

[snorky]

[QUOTE=coopkid]I read somewhere that Lawrence Baker had a freezer full of meat buried on his property (the police checked it out and determined it to be deer meat, I think)[QUOTE]

That is bizarre! Any idea where you read that? Who would bury anything anyway? Weird.

[findcarrie]

Well who has time to keep defending the obvious? It's all ridiculous.

[Char]

:behindbar When is your boy going to take a lie detector test? I guess you folks are running out of answers and are now attacking Debbie Culberson's religious and moral beliefs because she has chosen to "try and live" regardless of not knowing what happened to her daughter. How sad of you to do that. You folks are on a loosing end of things so now you slander this woman and have the nerve to create scandal because she is at a "bar" and then going to church? Let me tell you this, She is a good christian woman doing the good christian thing of going to church, repenting her sins and still living her life to the fullest yet not knowing if her daughter is dead or what. You folks have to realize that Vincent and Tracey are in JAIL, convicted in a court of law and NOT going to Church. To make it into heaven they have to repent their sins which they committed which was MURDER. They did it, were convicted and sentenced to jail. THank GOD Vincent is away for life. Now that is the one you folks should be after to speak up, tell the truth, take the lie detector test and move on. I guess that won't be happening any time soon. Guess your convicted family members never committed a sin, let alone committed a henious crime let alone go to church.....going after her isn't going to get your boys out of jail. Lie Detection is the first step. Address that issue and see what goes from there. Cooperation is everything and so far you folks aren't even showing that. :bang:

[Jade]

I read somewhere that Lawrence Baker had a freezer full of meat buried on his property (the police checked it out and determined it to be deer meat, I think)......Nothing to do with this case apparently, it just sounded bizarre. Why on earth would anyone do that?

I read on Court TV (sorry, actually have to work at work today so do not have link) that he had a lion and I think a bear that ate venison. Maybe the freezer broke or failed in some way and it was easier to bury it all than to deal with it otherwise.

[LP Moderator]

I found this link on Court TV's website.

http://www.courttv.com/archive/verdicts/doan.html


I'll try to watch the show tomorrow night and report afterward.

As most of you know, my sister was missing for 11 years before her body was recovered, so this one is hard for me to read about. Be that as it may, I'm going to monitor this case for Websleuths because of the temperment of some of the posters recently. If anyone needs to contact me privately, please do so. I can be reached here via PM or at my email addy, dewpea@yahoo.com

Thanks!!

Oh by the way, as someone else mentioned above, if any of you feel that your posts were out of line, this may be a good time to check them and do some editing.

[hoping for the truth]

Who are the responsible parties, hoping for the truth? In your opinion? If you don't mind me asking.


The responsible parties......Hopefully the pressure that all the responders on BOTH sites are producing , will convince the person or persons responsible for all of the turmoil that has been going on for the last 8 years , to come forward and tell what they know. Carrie deserves to be at rest, or return home, whatever the case may be. Vincent deserves a new trial.. Please log on to this website....www.innocenceproject.com.
This is listed in todays edition of the Wilmington News Journal in letter to editor. 144 people have been exhonerated due to DNA findings. Despite what has been said in the past, the legal society does make mistakes, and convictions are overturned.

[Blown Away]

Proof it happens! The United States legal system "banks" on a jury of peers being able to determine what is truth and what isn't and sometimes if doesn't work. Thanks for the link!

[LP Moderator]

The responsible parties......Hopefully the pressure that all the responders on BOTH sites are producing , will convince the person or persons responsible for all of the turmoil that has been going on for the last 8 years , to come forward and tell what they know. Carrie deserves to be at rest, or return home, whatever the case may be. Vincent deserves a new trial.. Please log on to this website....www.innocenceproject.com.
This is listed in todays edition of the Wilmington News Journal in letter to editor. 144 people have been exhonerated due to DNA findings. Despite what has been said in the past, the legal society does make mistakes, and convictions are overturned.


If you don't mind me asking, what does the Innocence Project or DNA have to do with this case? Its my understanding that there was no DNA relied on in the convictions in this case.

[hoping for the truth]

My point exactly.......... HOW CAN YOU CONVICT SOMEONE FOR A CRIME IF NO DNA WAS PRESENT???????????? Maybe the new items retrieved from the barn, (pieces of the barn) will have DNA present and finally prove that the wrong people are in prison .

[LP Moderator]

My point exactly.......... HOW CAN YOU CONVICT SOMEONE FOR A CRIME IF NO DNA WAS PRESENT???????????? Maybe the new items retrieved from the barn, (pieces of the barn) will have DNA present and finally prove that the wrong people are in prison .

You didn't answer my question. Why mention the Innocence Project, whose sole purpose is to have DNA tested for those in prison in order to have their convictions overturned using DNA when it has absolutely nothing whatever to do with THIS case?

[LP Moderator]

My point exactly.......... HOW CAN YOU CONVICT SOMEONE FOR A CRIME IF NO DNA WAS PRESENT???????????? Maybe the new items retrieved from the barn, (pieces of the barn) will have DNA present and finally prove that the wrong people are in prison .


It happens quite frequently as a matter of fact. Are you implying that simply because a murderer does a good job and doesn't leave a trace, that they should get away with the murder?

I'm not up on everything to do with this case, so please tell me about the items from the barn and why you think these items may help the defendant here?

[snorky]

Are you implying that simply because a murderer does a good job and doesn't leave a trace, that they should get away with the murder?

God forbid if that were to become a reality!

[Blown Away]

I went to the link and found it quite interesting although I agree it has no relevance to this case since neither conviction was based on DNA evidence. It does show that mistakes happen in the court system-is this what hoping is trying to say? Just asking...

LE hasn't yet announced all the results for all the items found under the floor, but the items they have reported on had no DNA evidence on them either (shirt belonging to Carrie and garbage bags). I can't figure out how to link you to the report, but Channel 9 out of Cincinnati has a link to all the articles if you search for Carrie Culberson. The Find Carrie website also has this info.

[hoping for the truth]

Why is it so hard to admit that maybe the WRONG person is in prison for a "crime" they did not commit. DNA from the barn pieces, if there is any DNA found, may infact prove that Vincent had nothing to do with the disappearance of Carrie Culberson.. God forbid if the truth is finally revealed. Appologies can be and will be accepted by all involved with the accusations that continue to be made. ERRORS ARE MADE ALL THE TIME IN PROSECUTIONS>>>> :banghead:

[LP Moderator]

Why is it so hard to admit that maybe the WRONG person is in prison for a "crime" they did not commit. DNA from the barn pieces, if there is any DNA found, may infact prove that Vincent had nothing to do with the disappearance of Carrie Culberson.. God forbid if the truth is finally revealed. Appologies can be and will be accepted by all involved with the accusations that continue to be made. ERRORS ARE MADE ALL THE TIME IN PROSECUTIONS>>>> :banghead:


So, are we to believe that you're only here to make speeches and not answer any questions?

What where the items taken from the barn and how can they possibly help this defendant?

Why was the Innocence Project mentioned when it has nothing to do with this case?

[LP Moderator]

Why is it so hard to admit that maybe the WRONG person is in prison for a "crime" they did not commit. DNA from the barn pieces, if there is any DNA found, may infact prove that Vincent had nothing to do with the disappearance of Carrie Culberson.. God forbid if the truth is finally revealed. Appologies can be and will be accepted by all involved with the accusations that continue to be made. ERRORS ARE MADE ALL THE TIME IN PROSECUTIONS>>>> :banghead:

Again, you didn't answer mine, but I will answer yours. The process in American courts is that the defendant is considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That has already happened here. NOW, the defendant MUST prove that it was a mistake. What do you have/know/see that this defendant can use to cause this to happen?

[seeksthetruth]

I can understand how finding things of Carrie's at the barn could implicate Messer as an accessory, but is there any record of animosity between Carrie and Jarrod? A motive for murder? People claim Vince and Carrie were violent with each other. Does anyone know if Messer has a history of violence?

Many of the comments on this site are very interesting and intriguing as I expected from the sleuthing title. Others make me cringe at the realization there are people so "lacking of knowledge or education=ignorant". I imagine each side will think I'm talking about the other.

[Blown Away]

Jarrod Messer has been in and out of jail. He is currently in jail for ILLEGAL POSSESSION OF CHEMICALS, POSS. OF DRUGS, POSS. OF DRUGS, TAMPER W/EVIDENCE, FEL ASSAULT, ILLEGAL POSSESSION OF CHEMIC per the Ohio Inmate Search website. Based on this info, I would say he has a history of violence! Whether or not he and Carrie had any type of relationship hasn't been proven.

[Char]

Jarrod Messer has been in and out of jail. He is currently in jail for ILLEGAL POSSESSION OF CHEMICALS, POSS. OF DRUGS, POSS. OF DRUGS, TAMPER W/EVIDENCE, FEL ASSAULT, ILLEGAL POSSESSION OF CHEMIC per the Ohio Inmate Search website. Based on this info, I would say he has a history of violence! Whether or not he and Carrie had any type of relationship hasn't been proven.

:furious: Well Vince has a history of violence against women and Carrie in particular. Vince also has been arrested and convicted of crimes. The only difference being that Mr. Messer has not been convicted of murdering a defenseless woman, whereas Vincent Doan has. This convicted murderer will do anything to place the blame on someone else. Period. I hope he DOES take the lie detector test so his supporters can stop their relentless harrassment and stalking of Debra and Christina Culberson.

[hoping for the truth]

Actual pieces of the barn were taken.....How many times must I say this?
If in fact DNA is found on the pieces of the barn, maybe it will belong to the person who committed the crime. No evidence was ever found on anything that belonged to Vincent, but he was still convicted of the crime. Hmmmmmm, only testimony convicted him. If a new trial were granted, maybe testimony would set him free.

[LP Moderator]

Jarrod Messer has been in and out of jail. He is currently in jail for ILLEGAL POSSESSION OF CHEMICALS, POSS. OF DRUGS, POSS. OF DRUGS, TAMPER W/EVIDENCE, FEL ASSAULT, ILLEGAL POSSESSION OF CHEMIC per the Ohio Inmate Search website. Based on this info, I would say he has a history of violence! Whether or not he and Carrie had any type of relationship hasn't been proven.


And???? I'm sorry, but I don't see the point. Where the case is now, I believe, is that the defendants already convicted are trying to say that they're innocent. Isn't that what we're dealing with? You can probably list a half a dozen other people that she may have either known or was a friend of someone else that she knew that has a criminal history. What is available to this defendant (and his brother apparently) that proves his innocence?

[LP Moderator]

Actual pieces of the barn were taken.....How many times must I say this?
If in fact DNA is found on the pieces of the barn, maybe it will belong to the person who committed the crime. No evidence was ever found on anything that belonged to Vincent, but he was still convicted of the crime. Hmmmmmm, only testimony convicted him. If a new trial were granted, maybe testimony would set him free.


Well how many times are you willing to say it? It seems to me if you're trying to get folks to listen to your point of view and you've got some new fish on the hook, that you would be happy to outline your evidence. Possible DNA doesn't mean anything to a defendant already in prison for life. Surely you know this? You can wish every day all day for a new trial, but there are rules and procedures that must be followed in order for a defendant convicted of murder and sentenced to life in order for a new trial to be won. Is there ANYTHING that the attorneys are trying to rely on, other than DNA that may or may not even be there?

[Blown Away]

:furious: Well Vince has a history of violence against women and Carrie in particular. Vince also has been arrested and convicted of crimes. The only difference being that Mr. Messer has not been convicted of murdering a defenseless woman, whereas Vincent Doan has. This convicted murderer will do anything to place the blame on someone else. Period. I hope he DOES take the lie detector test so his supporters can stop their relentless harrassment and stalking of Debra and Christina Culberson.

Why do you take offense at my post? I was answering a question posted about whether or not Jarrod has a history of violence.

[hoping for the truth]

Yes, the defendants have always stated their innocence, this has never changed from day one. Why is it so hard to believe that maybe someone else is to blame?

[snorky]

Yes, the defendants have always stated their innocence, this has never changed from day one. Why is it so hard to believe that maybe someone else is to blame?
For starters, it would be easier to consider their innocence, if they would take a lie detector test. Seems to me, mainly guilty persons do not submit to this test.

[LP Moderator]

Yes, the defendants have always stated their innocence, this has never changed from day one. Why is it so hard to believe that maybe someone else is to blame?

Its hard to tell who, if anyone, your question is actually for - care to specify?

This is a discussion forum. If you only want a pulpit or a soap box to stand upon and claim innocence, perhaps this isn't the forum for you? If you actually want to talk about the case, we're here.

[Blown Away]

Yes, the defendants have always stated their innocence, this has never changed from day one. Why is it so hard to believe that maybe someone else is to blame?


Because at this point, no one has given any evidence as to who else would be to blame. Is there something of relevance to consider? I am open to other options, if there is some proof that other options exist. I know all the "craziness" that surrounds this case, but I still have yet to see any significant evidence that would exonerate Vince and Tracey.

[coopkid]

And???? I'm sorry, but I don't see the point. Where the case is now, I believe, is that the defendants already convicted are trying to say that they're innocent. Isn't that what we're dealing with? You can probably list a half a dozen other people that she may have either known or was a friend of someone else that she knew that has a criminal history. What is available to this defendant (and his brother apparently) that proves his innocence?


Moderator.....
Blown Away is referring to the items of Carrie's/evidence that was found recently at Jarrod Messer's HOME, due to a recent tip received by the police. Messer is a person who was never implicated in any way until now. This throws a whole new twist into everything that is believed to have happened on that night, up until now. Obviously, Messer is somehow involved, regardless of who is in prison. The items found buried were in his backyard, not miles away. Just because someone else has already been convicted & is serving time, does not mean that Messer should skip away scot-free.

[coopkid]

Ok, sorry...I missed a few posts there........Blown Away was answering someone else's question about Messer & if he had a history of violence.

And no, I don't necessarily think that evidence found in this new dig would exonerate the convicted. But it might show that there were others involved, who have gotten away with it for the last 8 years.....and if this is indeed the case, then this person/persons need to be made to answer for it.

[hoping for the truth]

Its hard to tell who, if anyone, your question is actually for - care to specify?

This is a discussion forum. If you only want a pulpit or a soap box to stand upon and claim innocence, perhaps this isn't the forum for you? If you actually want to talk about the case, we're here.


I was not directing my question to any one person, open for discussion for any one who would like to comment. If no one has anything to say, then I guess the subject is closed. Vincent will always be innocent. We all love you Vincent and Tracey See you soon. Oh and by the way,if you have nothing nice to say to me, say nothing at all. Didn't your mom ever teach you that?

[Blown Away]

[QUOTE=coopkid]I read somewhere that Lawrence Baker had a freezer full of meat buried on his property (the police checked it out and determined it to be deer meat, I think)[QUOTE]

That is bizarre! Any idea where you read that? Who would bury anything anyway? Weird.

To answer your question, Vince's website was where I read it.

[snorky]

If no one has anything to say, then I guess the subject is closed.
We keep asking about the lie detector tests. Do you have any info as to why VD won't take one now? I really can't come up with with a plausible answer. It has been explained as to why he did not take one before, but no one has offered an explanation as to why he isn't volunteering to take one now. I have seen this question asked numerous times yet only those convinced he is guilty respond. Certainly if you are so sure, and he is so sure of his innocence, a test would help gain supporters. Has anyone asked him lately? What is his response? Can you answer this or can anyone? If he doesn't move in that direction, his cries of innocence will fall on deaf ears. Clearly you can see that by reading these posts.

[Blown Away]

Out of curiosity and because so much has been said about the lie detector test and Vince's refusal to take one (does anyone know for certain if he has been offered one recently and still refused to take one?) I searched the web for information pertaining to the accuracy of this test in proving or disproving someone's innocence or guilt. I found this article and found it interesting as far as how they define the accuracy. Just in case anyone else is interested in viewing. Still can't figure out the link! But, here is the page!

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-09-09-lie_x.htm

[snorky]

Out of curiosity and because so much has been said about the lie detector test and Vince's refusal to take one (does anyone know for certain if he has been offered one recently and still refused to take one?) I searched the web for information pertaining to the accuracy of this test in proving or disproving someone's innocence or guilt. I found this article and found it interesting as far as how they define the accuracy. Just in case anyone else is interested in viewing. Still can't figure out the link! But, here is the page!

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2002-09-09-lie_x.htm
Thanks BlownAway. I am not stating that it would 'prove' his innocence/guilt. I am saying that his cooperation in taking a test would go along way to help gain supporters. I know I would take one if I were accused of committing a hideous crime, or any crime that I did not commit for that matter. I can also say truthfully that I would be affraid of the results being inaccurate. I guess what I am asking is "Is he affraid to take a test and if so, what does he have to lose?"

[Blown Away]

Snorky,

Understood! And, I think you have a point! It is more a show of good faith to those who are listening.

[LP Moderator]

Ok, sorry...I missed a few posts there........Blown Away was answering someone else's question about Messer & if he had a history of violence.

And no, I don't necessarily think that evidence found in this new dig would exonerate the convicted. But it might show that there were others involved, who have gotten away with it for the last 8 years.....and if this is indeed the case, then this person/persons need to be made to answer for it.


I agree that if there are any more perps in addition to Vincent, he too should be put away for life.

[coopkid]

Snorky/Blown Away:
I can't find the link where I originally read the article.......(it was a while ago)...but there is mention of it on Doan's website, and also on the find Carrie Culberson site. On Carrie's site, go to Carrie's links page, then click on news archives....there are a whole page of archived articles, including one about the deer meat (I just read it). Apparently the freezer broke down and the meat went bad, so Lawrence's wife had it buried to get rid of the smell.

Also on Doan's site was a post mentioning that two of the Messers (dont remember the names....it was a man and a woman) were at the dig site waiting with Debbie C. Are they Jarrod Messer's parents? That had to make Mrs. Culberson feel a little uncomfortable, I would think. On second thought, it was probably even more awkward for Mr. & Mrs. Messer (if they are his parents).

On the lie detector subject: What about the brother? Did he take one, or was he offered one?

[snorky]

On the lie detector subject: What about the brother? Did he take one, or was he offered one?
Who took one if anyone? Anyone know?

Coopkid ~ Boy, if I had meat rotting, I could find a better way to dispose of it, but I perhaps I am just too lazy to bury it. Who knows, different strokes for different folks. Guess this is off topic anyway.

[Blown Away]

Who took one if anyone? Anyone know?

Coopkid ~ Boy, if I had meat rotting, I could find a better way to dispose of it, but I perhaps I am just too lazy to bury it. Who knows, different strokes for different folks. Guess this is off topic anyway.

Former Police Chief Peyton took one (or as someone posted on Vince's site-3). I have been searching for the article on Peyton taking the test, but have not found it yet. I will post when I do if anyone is interested. (Since as you pointed out Snorky this is a little of topic.) If I can't find the article, then we have to chalk it up to hearsay. This has all just been so long ago.

[Char]

I have a question, why hasn't the Doan/Baker clan been after Vincent and/or Tracey to come forward with their information on Carrie? Has Vince's mother really asked him if he ever hit Carrie or did anything to harm her? Who is the leader of this group of Doan Supporters that they wouldn't be going to the newspapers, rallying for the "BOYS" to take lie detector tests to further their cause? Why haven't they used the prison ministries to help them and their cause? I guess you can only say your innocent for so long without actually doing anything to further your claim when folks just start walking away. It seems that no one is doing anything for him other than harrassing and intimidating others.

BTW, your petty emails to me are being forwarded to the appropriate authorities, so keep it up showing your true colors.

GOD loves you regardless.

[LP Moderator]

You're apparently NOT going to get any answers from them according to their message board:

Name: WARNING!!!!!!!
Comments: The administrator of the websleuths web site is asking a lot of questions. Though it may be just someone interested in the case. Questions like what new evidence do you know of, that could get Vincent a new trial, should not be answered. If you know anything you should report it to Vince's lawyer. As innocent as the question may be the doubt of innocents her questions seem fishy. Be careful what you say. At all costs don't argue.

[WasBlind]

:blowkiss: for LP mod

For all who have been taken or harmed, prayers for answers and justice and soon.
With love and HOPE, Lanie
Help For The Missing

[LP Moderator]

These people, whether they be family members or friends of the inmates are doing them a serious disservice. They are trying, on the one hand, to get the courts to look into this matter while, on the other hand, are posting messages and sending emails that obviously make them look as if they too have something to hide and/or are trying to strongarm those who oppose them. I am strongly against blaming/comparing other family members to the inmates themselves, but in this case, I see a strong possibility that the extended family and friends of these two prisoners are of weak moral character themselves if not committing crimes themselves, i.e., harrasement, threats, etc. Perhaps they could do the inmates a favor and just stop before they do any more damage.

[snorky]

You're apparently NOT going to get any answers from them according to their message board:

Name: WARNING!!!!!!!As innocent as the question may be the doubt of innocents her questions seem fishy. Be careful what you say. At all costs don't argue.
What's so fishy other than the smell coming from the VD supporter camp? They are behaving strange. I get the impression they just enjoy drama and couldn't find their way out of a paper sack. This isn't directed at any one person as an attack and is only a generalization. The truth is, I went to their site, once. Then, when all the spit started flying here, I decided to never return. See how easy it was for them to lose a reader? I can't take them seriously. I do appreciate the integrity of many posters here on WS and because of them, I haven't scrapped the idea of following the progress of finding Carrie or learning about evidence that would take the case in a new direction. Thanks LP Mod for not deleting this thread. There were many times I thought it would go 'poof'. Debbie deserves the efforts put forth here and I am glad that some have empathy and compassion for her.

[Char]

What's so fishy other than the smell coming from the VD supporter camp? They are behaving strange.

:clap: You know what's funny about this whole thing Snorky? The LP Moderator does not belong to EITHER group but yet she is seeing what Carrie, Debra Culberson and Findcarrie have been experiencing for days. LP has been to the other site and seen for herself how the Doan/Baker clan acts and carries on in public. They are so paranoid and will talk about even HER because she questions their ways and does not follow in their way. No wonder Vince is still in jail. I for one am glad that he is still there. I for one am also glad that the dirtbag refuses to take a lie detector test because the boy is guilty and the test would show that he was lying and not telling the truth and/or showing deceptions in all areas. Now that is family, they are just hindering their poor "boy" in jail. :behindbar

God Bless Carrie Culberson!!

[Char]

Quote: Name: Blanchester Citizen
Comments: This is to Char:CC
To answer your question, we are helping those boys like you called them on websleuths. Vincent and Tracey is their name you moron.Everybody here has been writing to those innocent projects, they are just so busy, in case you dont know,There are a lot of people that are in prison accused of crimes they did not commit. That means they are innocent in case you dont understand.And regarding to the petty e- mails you claim you have been getting from us, We would not lower ourself sending you e-mails we got better things to do,We are here for Vincent and Tracey to proof their innocence.
We love you Vincent and Tracey...

Tuesday, June 15th 2004 - 09:15:47 AM

:clap: Thank you folks for the nice email from PCP @yahoo.com. This was just sent to me. Since I am a moron I would appreciate you sharing your comments here on the webpage and continue to show America what type of people you are. The one thing I would like to point out that the two boys curently incarcarated for murdering Carrie Culberson were found guilty by a jury of their peers. The jurors weren't involved in the conspiracy against the Baker/Doan inbred clan. They found them guilty from all the EVIDENCE submitted. Keep your boys from taking that lie detector test. YOU are proving us right that they did it. BTW..before you write the "innocenceboyprojects" try getting your boys to take the test..then only then if they pass it without deception and flunking it they will at least get some attention. Ya think? :behindbar for LIFE.

[budda-fly]

I've just read in the Wilmington News Journal dated Tuesday, June 15th, that there was a shooting in Midland, (Which is located just outside Blanchester), and apparently, a 19-year-old man, named Waylon W. Trimble suffered a gunshot wound above his right eye, and another on his right temple. This shooting took place at the residence of David Messer. (Not sure of the relation, so I may be totally out of line, and if so, I apologize) ...

Luckily, 19-year old victim has survived, and told authorities that it was an accidental shooting. He is quoted as saying, "Nobody shot me. It must have happened when the gun fell or when I tried to pick it up." - - - Shot twice in the head, and it was an accident ??? How ????

This Messer guy may be completely innocent the shooting. But the paper also indicated that they found potted marijuana plants, a mirror with a white powder residue, tin foil with residue, a meth pipe, components of a meth lab, and a baggie with white powder. Sheriff Fizer says that drug charges "could be pending". He also said that the investigation is ongoing, and that it has not been determined whether the shooting was accidental.

Now, you will remember back when Doan shot that "friend" of his years ago, in the face, and the "friend" said that Doan didn't mean to shoot him, right??
Coincidence??? Something stinks. Sounds like Messer's and Doans/Bakers are birds of the same feather ... :sick:

I completely, 100% believe that Doan killed Carrie. But if he was going to ask for help in disposing her body, this Messer crew seems like the scum to go to.

Just my opinion ... (Before I get the "defense" all over me) ... I'm entitled to my :twocents: ... Any other opinions ???

[seeksthetruth]

Jarrod Messer's father is named David, William David.

[budda-fly]

Seeking the truth, are you from the Blan area? Are you familiar with the family?? If so, what are they like?? I'm beginning to think Blan has their own Maffia. Only with Bakers, Doans, Messers, instead of Capone's, etc ...

Maybe I'm out of line ... but how do you accidentally shoot yourself in the head ... TWICE ????????

Wouldn't you take extra caution after the first shot to the head, and not shoot yourself again ???????? :bang:

Kinda like when Doan shot his "buddy" in the leg, and then the guy was accidentally shot in the face also. Oh, but innocent Vince didn't do it on purpose ... He's not violent ... Yeah ... Uh Huh ... OK ...

Doan is guilty. No doubt in my mind. But isn't it interesting how suddenly we're hearing about how the Doans/Bakers and Messers tie into each other.

[budda-fly]

I did a search of Messer's in the Ohio Inmate Search, and I found William David Messer, and it states that he's still incarcerated for "Weapon under disability" charge. . . There's a lot of Messer's in there, and some from the surrounding area ... sounds like a great crew ...

[findcarrie]

First and foremost, I dont know Jarrod Messer. I do however find it very strange that some of the items Lori Baker testified to have suddenly turned up alongside a shirt belonging Carrie. Now you can dismiss this however you wish and you may change around my words. HOWEVER the questions still remain. What was it doing there if PART of her testimony was perhaps true?

Although we will never know, unless God touches somebody and excuse me if I offend somebody, becuase I know I'm rumored to be a witch, BUT someone assisted these three men get rid of evidence. I can only hope that God hears one of our prayers somewhere that they made a small mistake and left something that one of us hill billie rednecks might find to finally find this young woman.

I hate to think that all we end up having is dirt where she was pulverized but if that is all we are allowed to get, then we will take it. I dont come up on this board expecting sympathy, but we just want her back at all cost. Her mom has already imagined all the horrible ways Carrie spent her last moments. It is time for this to be put to rest, meaning Carrie, the torture her family has witnessed and the just plain out ridiculousness the general public has come to witness on this message board.

We can try to deter guilt to whomever we want, but the fact still remains.... Carrie is missing and w/out cooperation from this group (I'm sorry but that's how I feel), or a higher power, we will never be able to move forward. The only thing we can do is present ourselves to not be a wolf in sheeps clothing and do all we can to find her and unless I die trying, I tend to do just that.

[Char]

I did a search of Messer's in the Ohio Inmate Search, and I found William David Messer, and it states that he's still incarcerated for "Weapon under disability" charge. . . There's a lot of Messer's in there, and some from the surrounding area ... sounds like a great crew ...

:bang: Perchance are the Doans/Baker/Messer clan somehow related? Makes you wonder maybe Vince accidently in a fit of anger murdered Carrie, Traceyboy helped him clean up the body and/or other things and then buried her on the property of Mr. Messer. Maybe Mr. Messer wasn't involved but 'knew' about it and maybe there is a code among thieves and/or murderers that you don't squeal on them because you will get their fate. Maybe they did this knowingly in the though that by chance if Vinceyboy was arrested, charged and convicted, whatever sentence he got would someday down the road be challenged and the finger pointed at Mr. Messer 'showing doubt'..and then they couldn't figure WHO did it. That way Vinceyboy would then get his second trial (yeah..when hell freezes over). I think these boys have a criminal mind and put it all together. I think their fan club also knows this and will continue their reign of harrassment, intimidation and/or other things to stop folks from agreeing and supporting Carrie and Debra Culberson. I also think this is what is leading their charge to attack the memory of Carrie and every moral fibre of Carrie's Mom Debra. They will stop at nothing. Does that make sense?

:dance: I for one am glad that he is in JAIL.

[findcarrie]

All of you who are interested in this case, dont forget to watch the System tonight @ 8 p.m.. Carrie's story will be on. The System comes on Court TV.
I'm not impartial, but watch it so you can see who Carrie was. I dont want us to loose focus of what has brought us here in the first place.

[Char]

All of you who are interested in this case, dont forget to watch the System tonight @ 8 p.m.. Carrie's story will be on. The System comes on Court TV.
I'm not impartial, but watch it so you can see who Carrie was. I dont want us to loose focus of what has brought us here in the first place.

:clap: TV and VCR are programmed for 8:00 since I won't be home. I and others shall be watching. BTW, have you seen the OC posters that have shown support for you and Carrie on your site? Let me know and I will let the others know. Thanks alot.

[findcarrie]

Char...
You mean the people who have written in about all this mumbo jumbo? If I'm wrong, send me a link. I havent seen much in the last few days. I've been trying to do a few things for Ms. Patrice and I havent been active on this board as much.

Thank you for your information and everybody else who has went to bat for our reputations which seem to be on the line all day long. LOL

[Char]

Char...
You mean the people who have written in about all this mumbo jumbo? If I'm wrong, send me a link. I havent seen much in the last few days. I've been trying to do a few things for Ms. Patrice and I havent been active on this board as much.

Thank you for your information and everybody else who has went to bat for our reputations which seem to be on the line all day long. LOL

Jill: The folks I was talking about were the supporters from OC and the Missing thread that drove Vince and his supporters off the CTV Boards. I asked them to respond to your site for support for you and for Carrie and her mom. Others are still asking for the link which I happily supply them. BTW. I use the labels on my letters..all 500 a week of them that I send out. Take care.

[seeksthetruth]

Budda, I am from the area and know a bit about both families. There is no way I would voice an opinion about either family. I can just state the facts I know to be true, to maybe help clarify who is who. I would like very much to know where Carrie is, simply because she was a part of someone's family.

[VespaElf]

All of you who are interested in this case, dont forget to watch the System tonight @ 8 p.m.. Carrie's story will be on. The System comes on Court TV.
I'm not impartial, but watch it so you can see who Carrie was. I dont want us to loose focus of what has brought us here in the first place.


Thank you for letting us know! Im programming my TIVO immediately!


I got to this case knowing nothing about it,having no knowledge or association with any of the "players" and reading everything (includ. the tacky,and thats putting it nicely,Innocent" site) and I am 100% comfortable saying that the correct men are in jail for this crime and I feel theres more people who should be in jail for their direct knowledge/cover up of this crime AND the fact they likely know where Carries body is buried.

Until Carrie is found her family will have no peace,they are in my thoughts and prayers.

[MistyMarie]

It's great to see that after so many years, that there are people, even in other states that care so much. I am from near the area where this all took place. There has not been one time when I entered Blanchester, when I didn't think of the Culberson family. I can only begin to tell you that everytime I have been in Blanchester, how often I wondered if there are more places to search for more clues. Blanchester never seemed that big until you can't find someone. Then it suddenly seemed the biggest place on earth. Like many, I will always keep an eye out for anything, that may lead to finding Carrie Culberson. I don't care who has said anything about what kind of person she was, or her family. She was a human being just like everyone else. I have not been perfect in my life either, but if (God forbid) anything should ever happen to me, I would hope and pray that people didn't turn their backs on me and tell stories about my teenage years. I would pray that there are people just like FindCarrie that would keep my spirit alive and keep looking for me. Regardless of how many boyfriends I had, or that fact that I drank at bars (like most girl's in their 20's do). My prayers go out to Culberson family and FindCarrie. Keep up that great work! Don't let your spirit and work go. :) I hope that someday soon, the Culberson family will get to have peace and bring Carrie, as well as her spirit to rest.

[findcarrie]

Carrie was not a drug user, or any of those things she's been called. She wasnt Mother Teresa and nobody is trying to say she was. Some of those photos they were showing of Carrie, for example the one of her with the cheerleaders or riding on top of the car were when she was 17. When Carrie disappeared, she was 22 years old. These were used to show the viewer's who Carrie was. Why is that every time something comes on to remember this young woman, somebody over THERE has to come out and say something so stupid, such as... look at her face... she was a drugee.

Folks this is an attempt to discredit anybody who questions what happened. I want to know how many of you can see what is going on? Do you see what I have been complaining about for the last two years?

Carrie we love you and we WILL keep looking for you until we find you!!!
FindCarrie
www.findcarrieculberson.com

[MistyMarie]

Carrie was not a druggie! FindCarrie, I have seen the torture that has went on for years. Not on the computer either. I have heard the rumours and things that people have said. It is just plain sick. I can only imagine the pain the Debbie Culberson has had to pursue just by having to stay in the town. How can she leave though? She would probably feel as though she left her daughter behind. I hope they find Carrie soon so that Debbie can just get out of there and get away from the pain and torture. I will help in any way that I can to find Carrie. After all of these years, Debbie should not have had to accept what goes on, or learn to live with it. It is just plain disgusting. I would just stay away from that site from now on. It will not do anyone any good to read it. Stay strong! You are a great person FindCarrie.

[LP Moderator]

I missed the first 10 minutes or so of the Court TV show last night, but immediately I knew that I had seen it before. I have no doubts that her boyfriend and his brother are guilty. Its too bad the brother won't be locked up for life too. If his supporters think that the Innocence Project is going to help them, they're just as stupid as they look! LOL They don't seem to want to hear what I posted the other day - i.e., the IP ONLY deals with cases where DNA is involved and this doesn't apply to their case. Moreover, an attorney needs something to work with in order to win a new trial. There's nothing here.

[findcarrie]

Court TV is about the only one who still airs a show every six weeks about Carrie. Dateline did a show called "without a trace" but of course they only air those one time (most of the time). Final Justice aired something on her last year but I believe they are not airing that show anymore. Anyway, before all this new stuff started, I had thought about trying to get Carrie's story into a few women's magazines such as Glamour or Cosmo to target the young women who read them and let them know about the dangers of domestic violence and that they can get away before it's too late. That is something I am still going to pursue but I am going to wait because we are still waiting on the these test results. We need to give Debbie some room to process all this and to think clearly before taking on this task.

Also, Carrie has new mailing address lables as of today. They dont have the black line incasing the information. I thought it would be easier and more variations of lables would work with them for anybody who wishes to help us circulate her information.


Carrie we will keep looking for you until you are found!!!
FindCarrie
www.findcarrieculberson.com

[bobbijo69]

How can they say that he is guilty then? No DNA, no hard proof, just speculation and 3rd party stories…not my idea of guilty beyond a shadow of doubt…especially when one of the prime witnesses stated to the press afterward that they lied on the stand, one other had to be hypnotized, another one had a drinking problem, and another one was already serving time for his own crime? Come on, you buy into all of this? It would not be the first time that the justice system and people were wrong. Put your self in those shoes and walk a mile before you pass judgment on a situation that you were NOT there to be an eyewitness of what happened. :doh:

[LP Moderator]

How can they say that he is guilty then? No DNA, no hard proof, just speculation and 3rd party stories…not my idea of guilty beyond a shadow of doubt…especially when one of the prime witnesses stated to the press afterward that they lied on the stand, one other had to be hypnotized, another one had a drinking problem, and another one was already serving time for his own crime? Come on, you buy into all of this? It would not be the first time that the justice system and people were wrong. Put your self in those shoes and walk a mile before you pass judgment on a situation that you were NOT there to be an eyewitness of what happened. :doh:


Bobbijo, this is an opinion forum. We're here to give our opinions. See how that works? As for "walking a mile," my family waited 11 long years before my sister's body was found, so I'd say those shoes are just about worn out. All we can do here on this forum is to read what's available from the trial, watch the television shows about the case, etc. It was the jury's decision to find him guilty and they did so. They had all of the information and people in front of them and heard it all. The way the system works is once a defendant is found guilty, the ball is in their court and they then must prove that they are not. The so-called "supporters" of this guy won't answer any questions. What are they afraid of? They go around threatening and harassing anyone who doesn't swallow every word they have to say, but they refuse to answer even the most basic questions about this case. As for being an "eyewitness," I must assume you weren't one either, but that doesn't stop you from speaking about this case, does it? Why is it ok for you to do so, but not me?

[findcarrie]

Carrie's memorial has been rescheduled for Monday, June 28th @ 7 p.m.
I couldnt post this until I had an article to verify what I say. Here it is below.

http://www.cincypost.com/2004/06/16/memor061604.html

I hope that this one will be able to happen.

[marine]

Hello findcarrie,
I have been reading this thread for the past two weeks, and finally decided to post. I admit, I haven't seen the Court TV special, nor any other programs on Carrie, but I have visited the findcarrie website, and I also think that the right people have been convicted of her murder. You don't need to argue with Vince's supporters, don't stoop to their level. People see them for what they are. I hope that Carrie's family will finally be able to put her to rest.

[findcarrie]

I wanted to share this with the board today if you dont mind.
I happened to go into a shop today in my town and my mother and I was looking around, because they were going out of business.

We found some angel statues with long dark hair and she was holding daisies in both of her hands. Carrie had a tattoo of a daisy and she liked them. For those of you on this board who missing loved ones or murdered for that matter, you know the meaning of angel statues. It is especially hard to find a dark haired angel. Most of them are blonde. Anyway, what this post means is that Carrie and her story has touched so many people. People who didnt even know her. We bought every one of those angels. My family and several of my friends now collect every daisey because it reminds us of Carrie. Everywhere there is a reminder of Carrie. So she is missing, but she is NOT forgotten.

If her story can change one woman's life and get her to safety, then she didnt die in vain. I hope you'll think of Carrie the next time you see that dark haired angel or a daisy.

We love you Carrie & we will continue to look for you until we get you back!!!

FindCarrie
www.findcarrieculberson.com

[bobbijo69]

I was saying to put yourself in the shoes of the convicted. How would you feel per say if someone accused you of something that you did not do and you were found guilty with no hard evidence? I am sorry to hear about your sister, but I am glad you had the chance for closure.



As for the system, I was always told and taught that the people were innocent until found guilty. In my opinion, no one is truly guilty unless they have hard evidence. I just do not think that they should convict some one on hearsay and speculation of what happened. As for the jury, at least two of them have said that they based their decision on one comment or the other, not hard facts or evidence. To me, that says that they could be wrong on their decision.



As for being an eyewitness, no I was not and I wasn’t trying to get you to stop talking about it, I was just questioning your hatred for someone that you can not be 100% sure that he is guilty because you weren’t there. I guess I just don’t understand why people can pass judgment on those people unless you actually saw it or hard evidence that they did it. I guess I would not make a great jury person; I would probably make a better defense attorney. Maybe I am too trusting in the greater good of the human race and all of this hatred that is out there in this world is heart breaking.



I am not posting to start any kind of debate on who is right or wrong; I was just trying to get people to stop hating and think about things objectively and logically, then if you still feel the same way that is your prerogative. I just feel that people should not attack one another. You may find yourself in need one day and need that persons help for some reason or another.

[LP Moderator]

I was saying to put yourself in the shoes of the convicted. How would you feel per say if someone accused you of something that you did not do and you were found guilty with no hard evidence? I am sorry to hear about your sister, but I am glad you had the chance for closure.

There's no such thing as closure. Even if they catch whoever killed my sister and execute him, there will never be closure. I love the way people throw that word around.

As for the system, I was always told and taught that the people were innocent until found guilty. In my opinion, no one is truly guilty unless they have hard evidence. I just do not think that they should convict some one on hearsay and speculation of what happened. As for the jury, at least two of them have said that they based their decision on one comment or the other, not hard facts or evidence. To me, that says that they could be wrong on their decision.

The guy was "found guilty." If you have a problem with the way the system is, I suggest you write to someone who can change it.


As for being an eyewitness, no I was not and I wasn’t trying to get you to stop talking about it, I was just questioning your hatred for someone that you can not be 100% sure that he is guilty because you weren’t there. I guess I just don’t understand why people can pass judgment on those people unless you actually saw it or hard evidence that they did it. I guess I would not make a great jury person; I would probably make a better defense attorney. Maybe I am too trusting in the greater good of the human race and all of this hatred that is out there in this world is heart breaking.

What makes you think I have any hatred for this murderer or his family? What I have a problem with is that they feel they have the right to come here to this forum and not only do they NOT answer any questions put to them by the membership, but they attack our posters. Also, you may be interested to know that eyewitnesses to crimes are not as reliable as you may think they are. There are many many cases where there is no hard evidence and a conviction is obtained. The Peterson case, for example, is entirely circumstantial. All prosecutors wish for their cases to be wrapped up in a neat little bow, but things just don't work that way. I'm not privy to all of the information from this case nor have I read the transcripts, but I have enough faith in our system to believe that it works well in the majority of the cases and if I had a dime for everyone in prison who said they're innocent, I may be richer than Bill Gates.

I am not posting to start any kind of debate on who is right or wrong; I was just trying to get people to stop hating and think about things objectively and logically, then if you still feel the same way that is your prerogative. I just feel that people should not attack one another. You may find yourself in need one day and need that persons help for some reason or another.

Again, if you want to see hatred, you're at the wrong forum - try this one:

http://books.dreambook.com/freevincentdoan/main.html

[LP Moderator]

Oh and by the way Bobbijo, you don't have to worry about getting banned here like your friends did as long as you can control yourself and post within the rules. Unlike your buddies, we don't mind answering questions. :cool:

[Blown Away]

[QUOTE=LP Moderator]Again, if you want to see hatred, you're at the wrong forum -

LP Mod,

I have to disagree with you on this one. I came to you asking you to review some of the posts that were so filled with hatred and spite that I am embarrassed to say I read them. You chose instead to "choose a side" and ignore these posts. I was interested in what both parties brought to the table and not just what one side had to say. I would suggest you go back to the beginning of this thread and read the "hate" coming from both sides. No need to be concerned with revoking my membership, because I have already requested the administrator of this site provide me with information on how to remove myself.

FYI-I do live in Blanchester and have seen this case first hand. I'm also a supporter of Debbie and a friend, but I think even Debbie would be overwhelmed by how much hatred is being vented here. And, from her supporters as well!

By the way, I too lost someone to violence and have nowhere to go to mourn, but I chose to live and feel compassion and empathy for all God's creatures.

Closure is possible if you let go and let God!

God Bless!

[LP Moderator]

Well I can take care of that for you - in fact, its all taken care of now. See ya.

For those of any "supporters still here," the posters on this thread and at this website were respectful and everything was fine until Post No. 19 when the "Loving Cousin" decided to pop in here and cause trouble and blame the victim's mother of all sorts of things. From what I hear, these "supporters" travel in groups of between one and three and try to tag team anyone who dares to disagree with them. They not only refuse to answer any questions here, but they go back to their hole and tell everyone else to not answer questions either. That to me doesn't sound like an upstanding group of people who only want "justice" for the defendants. No one went out and searched for you and asked you to come here. You did so on your own. We have rules that all of the posters have to comply with. You chose to disregard those rules - something that apparently runs in the family. We don't have any problem providing a forum where this case can be discussed; however, troublemakers will not be tolerated.

[findcarrie]

I dont think anybody has ever said that we totally hate you and we dont want to discuss both sides. However when we bring up a touchy subject that you dont want to answer directly, you resort to posting some BS about me being a witch, Carrie being a drugee whore, or Debbie busting up somebody's marrige - all of which are untrue. If we ask you something, answer the damn question. If you are 100% sure and you believe the truth will prevail, then answer the question w/out coming back with something ridiculous. If you are asked a question, answer it!!! No IF ANDS OR BUTS - plain and simple
WHen these ppl post on the book for Vince like that, it does not help him, it makes him look more guilty because of the way you are presenting yourselves.

Also, your posts are beginning to delete because Dreambook does not hold but 50 entries at a time. You really should rethink your tactics about his representation. :cool:

I dont care if everybody likes me. I wasnt put on this planet to make everybody love me. However I do have a mission and that is to stand up for this young woman who cannot speak out against the things that are being said and I dont have defend what I feel either.

[bobbijo69]

I wasn’t meaning to upset you with the closure word; I just meant that you had closure on finding her. I know that there are unsolved cases and missing person cases every where, and most of them are never solved or found. See, most people - including you & me, automatically think the worse at times. Why can’t we all be more optimistic about things? Instead of looking at the glass half empty; see it half full. Also, I do hope for your sake that they do find the person responsible and execute him.



I do write to those people and I do vote every time. But I am only one person, maybe one day I will make a difference but right now that process is slow going.



Maybe they feel that you are attacking them as well. With some of the comments that I have seen on here and read on here, I would say that there had been a lot of hate spread through out. You are correct not all eyewitnesses are reliable, nor speculations. That is my point. The Peterson case is a different ball game, they have the actual body. As for most cases, I agree the system does for the most part work and I know that people who commit crimes all say they were framed, but what about those that were framed or those that were convicted wrongly? Why should they suffer? If the system was full proof we wouldn’t have to worry about anything, but again what about those that are NEVER caught too? How do they get by with it for so long? In my opinion, Human error. We are all human and we all make mistakes. I just happen to think that this is one big mistake for the system. If I am ever proven wrong I will be the first to stand up and admit that. I think that they could have done a better job of things.

[LP Moderator]

It amazes me that you can think of my asking questions as an "attack." Why are they afraid to answer simple questions? They weren't hard questions. They weren't personal questions. They weren't trick questions. Why would they run back and tell everyone not to answer any questions? If all they want to do is come here and stand on a soap box and then run back and lie and say we're attacking them, then I've got some serious problems with them.

[bobbijo69]

What kind of questions are you referring to? Maybe I have missed something in regards to that. I was just speculating as to what they were feeling, I do not get to get out here and read this site every single day.

[LP Moderator]

Just read this thread. The questions are here.

[snorky]

Help! Can posters please use the quote button when responding to a particular post?. I am getting confused as to who speaking to who! :confused: Or, if you don't know how to do that, copy and paste what you are responding to with the original poster's name at the top. Thanks!

[bobbijo69]

LP, Can you please ask what questions that you are wanting answers to?

[findcarrie]

Police have unsealed the search warrant that lead to this latest search for Carrie. Apparently there were two police informants and one of them was an exgirlfriend of Vincent Doan who still corresponds with him in prision.

Here is the article. Carrie's site also has been updated a few mins. ago.

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/06/17/loc_culberson17.html



Carrie - we love you and we will look for you until we get you back!!!
FindCarrie
www.findcarrieculberson.com

[Char]

:liar: The nice folks at webdoanbakerTV are now saying that findcarrie is Debra and Christina Culberson and that they are witches. They are also stating that they are wiccan and are casting spells over everyone here including the moderator. They also say that I am this Kathy woman from Ohio. Would the moderator please verify my IP address and just "verify" that I am not from OHIO as they claim and that I am not posing as anyone other than myself? I would appreciate it because now they are even going as far as to put into writing their slanderous comments for the WHOLE world to see and admitting that they are slanderous comments. I for one am glad that they are doing this so we can finally "get" them.

I shall continue to pray for their souls and since Vince refused to admit where Carrie was unless he got a reduced sentence I am now more than ever convinced they have the proper people in jail.

:cool:

[findcarrie]

I am not Debbie or Christina. I am JILL. I am not Wiccan and even if I was, it wouldnt matter. I dont have to send hate an email because I can say what I need to say right here. They know how to diguise their ISPs very well but I dont see it necessary to do that because there is only 2 #s they could see me coming from. They dont email me because they know the minute they do, I have an ISP # to trace it.

HOWEVER, I dont let all messages post on Carrie's guestbook because to be aggrivating, they will post a nasty message and then turn around and say something real nice with another name so they can laugh when it gets posted. Now how ridiculous is that? I am a little smarter than your average hill billie redneck. I now how to use a computer pretty well. :woohoo:

[LP Moderator]

LP, Can you please ask what questions that you are wanting answers to?


Can you just scroll up and read them?

[LP Moderator]

I am not Debbie or Christina. I am JILL. I am not Wiccan and even if I was, it wouldnt matter. I dont have to send hate an email because I can say what I need to say right here. They know how to diguise their ISPs very well but I dont see it necessary to do that because there is only 2 #s they could see me coming from. They dont email me because they know the minute they do, I have an ISP # to trace it.

HOWEVER, I dont let all messages post on Carrie's guestbook because to be aggrivating, they will post a nasty message and then turn around and say something real nice with another name so they can laugh when it gets posted. Now how ridiculous is that? I am a little smarter than your average hill billie redneck. I now how to use a computer pretty well. :woohoo:


I've check the names and compared IP addresses and each of the posters here is who they say they are - NOT that its anyone else's business except admin here.

[bobbijo69]

Sorry to inform you Char, Vincent never made that comment. It was offered to him and he said that he couldn’t tell them where she was, because he didn’t know - Via Roxanna.

[Char]

Sorry to inform you Char, Vincent never made that comment. It was offered to him and he said that he couldn’t tell them where she was, because he didn’t know - Via Roxanna.

:bang: WEll you need to go back to your clan in Blan and tell the emailers that keep sending me crap to change their information. That was sent to me so I guess your in the thick of it since you know EXACTLY what was said and what wasn't. I stand by my post.

Thanks for the information though!

[bobbijo69]

See, everything is based on someone said this or that. I personally just don’t like rumors. I wish everyone would just mind their own business. Sure speak what your own opinions, but don’t spread things that you don’t know for sure are the truth or not, or you heard from someone else. Those are the things that will come back to bite you in the patooty! Good Luck on your quest for the truth though, and I too hope for a big break in this case very soon.

[Char]

See, everything is based on someone said this or that. I personally just don’t like rumors. I wish everyone would just mind their own business. Sure speak what your own opinions, but don’t spread things that you don’t know for sure are the truth or not, or you heard from someone else. Those are the things that will come back to bite you in the patooty! Good Luck on your quest for the truth though, and I too hope for a big break in this case very soon.

:furious: Honey, I for one will not mind my own business because there is a thing in the United STates (even in Blan) called the news and the fact that the public was made aware by diplomatic process and jury makes it my business. I am speaking of emails coming from your "group" that supports Vince and TRAcey. I will make comments as I see fit until proven differently by a court of law. The only patooty that will hopefully will stay behind bars is Vincent. This is a public board and I shall post what I want, just like you are. BTW, don't go back to the other board and say you were being attacked because you were not. YOU can go back and tell the DoanClones that FindCarrie and I are not the same person as verified by LP MOderator (checked IP's and enrollment information). That shall make their day I bet.

[bobbijo69]

Don’t get so steamed! I was just voicing my opinion. And I am not going back anywhere to say anything about this site. I am not telling any one anything either. I am just chatting and voicing my opinions as you are. You are so quick to judge that I am part of…how did you put it? Oh, yeah - your "group" – you don’t know that for sure now do you? I am not attacking you either, but I can tell that you don’t like what I have to say even though I am not saying anything but my opinion on things.



Also the part about the patooty, was a metaphor. It was not directed at you or anyone else. I speak from experience that as the old saying goes “Loose lips sink ships”, I have had things that I have repeated in my younger years that did come back to bite me.



You know you seem to take things a bit too personal, lighten up. Not everyone is out to get you or provoke you. This is just a casual debate to me. I believe one way & you believe the other. I see things one way & you see them the other. I debate with my mother on things too. I do not always agree with people and I feel that my opinions are just as important as is theirs. I was brought up to speak my mind but also listen to the other side of the point of view, go think about the different point of views in an objective way, weigh the possibilities of both sides, then decide if I still have my same opinion or if some one else’s opinion or way to do things is the better of the two.

[LP Moderator]

Excuse me? You're not going anywhere saying anything about what happens on this forum??? Is this not you?:

Name: bobbijo
Comments: I really dont care what they think or what they have to say. If they ban me well then i will just find another webboard to post my thoughts on. Its pretty sad that they only want to hear what they think happened. Not what anyone else wants to say.
Wednesday, June 16th 2004 - 09:33:10 AM

[findcarrie]

I have a question.

If somebody is listening to Vince's story and his people. Does this mean that one of the followers released some information that he has been withholding either about himself or Jarrod when he said plainly he did not know anything of her disappearance? Somebody please clarify on that because in my mind that means one of the women told something on him that they should not have. Also meaning letting the cat out of the bag. Some clarification please. Thank you


Carrie we will keep looking until we find you. We love you
FindCarrie
www.findcarrieculberson.com

[Char]

I have a question.

If somebody is listening to Vince's story and his people. Does this mean that one of the followers released some information that he has been withholding either about himself or Jarrod when he said plainly he did not know anything of her disappearance? Somebody please clarify on that because in my mind that means one of the women told something on him that they should not have. Also meaning letting the cat out of the bag. Some clarification please. Thank you


Carrie we will keep looking until we find you. We love you
FindCarrie
www.findcarrieculberson.com

:dance: You see Jill, they are finally cracking over there. It sounds like someone squealed somewhere. I have a feeling this poor woman might now have to go into hiding. Either way the murderer of Carrie Culberson is behind bars. Only a lie detector proving his innocence (I DON'T CARE IF THEY ARE ADMISSABLE OR NOT) and that meaning he is telling the complete truth and showing no deception then only then will I think of looking elsewhere. Sad isn't it? All mouth and no action. :behindbar

[bobbijo69]

Not really. See here I am posting under Bobbijo’s name because she will let me and we are family and we agree on things, and it started out she asked for my help with one reply and it has escalated from there. My real name is Roxanna, BobbiJo keeps me informed and I reply to her. I can not read these things from the web while I am at work, so she emails it to me, I respond to her, and she posts it. No, I didn’t say those things she did. And in all actuality, it was a statement that was made IF she got banned off of the website. And in my opinion, I agree with her to a point on this one. We all have a right to be heard any where and any time, she may have come across wrong to a point, but that was what she was feeling at the time. And I believe, correct me, Bobbi, if I am wrong, she was replying to someone that asked her a question about the website. However, I believe that I was referring to delivering messages for you, spreading rumors, or talking about a particular person. She was speaking about the people in general - not wanting to hear any other side, but what they tend to believe. If you like we can leave you all alone, as a matter of fact, I think that I tried to leave earlier when I told you Good Luck in your search. But you just had to fire back and I felt that I needed to clarify things a bit more. We are not on here bad mouthing you or any one else, we are just debating thoughts, opinions, and ideas. We can go else where and do that too. I will even keep out of Bobbi’s conversations and post under my own name. It is just that I do not always have access to a computer like some people do.

[seeksthetruth]

An article somewhere said that Vince Doan's father, Lawrence Baker, would do things for people as favors and then call the favor in later. What if Jarrod Messer "owed" on favors done? He seems to have had a long record of being a bad boy. Could Baker have helped him in the past? Did they know each other well? Maybe the opportunity to call in favors came up when Doan had something he needed to get rid of...somewhere away from his familys' properties... and his father scrambled to help. You couldn't ask just anyone for that kind of favor, but you could if you had something on them. And if what they had on you was bad enough, maybe it was worth taking a chance.

Please, take this as it is meant. It is speculation. Guessing. Looking at possibilities. Pondering what has been in the media. I am NOT attacking anyone. The fact is, somehow, items relating to Carrie Culberson got buried under Jarrod Messer's barn. I don't see it as an instant murder charge against Messer or that it means Doan didn't kill Carrie. But Jarrod Messer darned well knew there was a hole in his back yard and he needs to pay his dues.

[LP Moderator]

Not really. See here I am posting under Bobbijo’s name because she will let me and we are family and we agree on things, and it started out she asked for my help with one reply and it has escalated from there. My real name is Roxanna, BobbiJo keeps me informed and I reply to her. I can not read these things from the web while I am at work, so she emails it to me, I respond to her, and she posts it. No, I didn’t say those things she did. And in all actuality, it was a statement that was made IF she got banned off of the website. And in my opinion, I agree with her to a point on this one. We all have a right to be heard any where and any time, she may have come across wrong to a point, but that was what she was feeling at the time. And I believe, correct me, Bobbi, if I am wrong, she was replying to someone that asked her a question about the website. However, I believe that I was referring to delivering messages for you, spreading rumors, or talking about a particular person. She was speaking about the people in general - not wanting to hear any other side, but what they tend to believe. If you like we can leave you all alone, as a matter of fact, I think that I tried to leave earlier when I told you Good Luck in your search. But you just had to fire back and I felt that I needed to clarify things a bit more. We are not on here bad mouthing you or any one else, we are just debating thoughts, opinions, and ideas. We can go else where and do that too. I will even keep out of Bobbi’s conversations and post under my own name. It is just that I do not always have access to a computer like some people do.


You have no rights here. This is a private forum and you are a guest. Your membership can be rescinded at any time.

[snorky]

Not really. See here I am posting under Bobbijo’s name because she will let me and we are family and we agree on things, and it started out she asked for my help with one reply and it has escalated from there. My real name is Roxanna, BobbiJo keeps me informed and I reply to her. I can not read these things from the web while I am at work, so she emails it to me, I respond to her, and she posts it. No, I didn’t say those things she did. And in all actuality, it was a statement that was made IF she got banned off of the website. And in my opinion, I agree with her to a point on this one. We all have a right to be heard any where and any time, she may have come across wrong to a point, but that was what she was feeling at the time. And I believe, correct me, Bobbi, if I am wrong, she was replying to someone that asked her a question about the website. However, I believe that I was referring to delivering messages for you, spreading rumors, or talking about a particular person. She was speaking about the people in general - not wanting to hear any other side, but what they tend to believe. If you like we can leave you all alone, as a matter of fact, I think that I tried to leave earlier when I told you Good Luck in your search. But you just had to fire back and I felt that I needed to clarify things a bit more. We are not on here bad mouthing you or any one else, we are just debating thoughts, opinions, and ideas. We can go else where and do that too. I will even keep out of Bobbi’s conversations and post under my own name. It is just that I do not always have access to a computer like some people do.
Please use the quote button when responding to a particular post, or if you don't know how to do that, copy and paste what you are responding to with the original poster's name at the top. Thanks!

[findcarrie]

Dear Vincent Doan Fans:

I see that my direct question was not answered. Why is that? I recall in an earlier post that you wanted to answer any questions we might have. Please answer the question I asked you pertaining to these findings and how they relate to Vincent Doan although he says he knew nothing of Carrie's disappearance or Jarrod Messer. If the past girlfriend was a tipster, doesnt that cause concern in the area that Vincent Doan was involved somehow?

I do not want to hear about anything else right now. I want a clear and direct answer to what I just asked you. If you want to be welcomed on this board, a positve approach would be to answer the questions as they are asked because after all if he is innocent, you will not have any reason to redirect what is being asked of you.

Thank you.

FindCarrie
www.findcarrieculberson.com

[LP Moderator]

Please use the quote button when responding to a particular post, or if you don't know how to do that, copy and paste what you are responding to with the original poster's name at the top. Thanks!


UNLESS Its a large quote - they take up too much room!

[LP Moderator]

Dear Vincent Doan Fans:

I see that my direct question was not answered. Why is that? I recall in an earlier post that you wanted to answer any questions we might have. Please answer the question I asked you pertaining to these findings and how they relate to Vincent Doan although he says he knew nothing of Carrie's disappearance or Jarrod Messer. If the past girlfriend was a tipster, doesnt that cause concern in the area that Vincent Doan was involved somehow?

I do not want to hear about anything else right now. I want a clear and direct answer to what I just asked you. If you want to be welcomed on this board, a positve approach would be to answer the questions as they are asked because after all if he is innocent, you will not have any reason to redirect what is being asked of you.

Thank you.

FindCarrie
www.findcarrieculberson.com


I don't think they can answer - two of them were banned and only Bobbijo or whoever she/he is today can speak for them. She/he doesn't seem to want to answer because she/he asked what my questions were twice and still won't take the time to scroll up and read them.

[snorky]

UNLESS Its a large quote - they take up too much room!
Or crop out most of it? Will that work? :)