Missing Carrie Culberson

[findcarrie]

I was recommended by WasBlind about this message board a while back. I thought that I would post the information regarding a missing person by the name of Carrie Culberson. She disappeared on Wednesday, August 28, 1996 from Blanchester OH.

Please visit if you have some spare time.

www.findcarrieculberson.com

[Casshew]

Please visit if you have some spare time.

www.findcarrieculberson.com

Thank you for posting the link to Carrie's site.... she is such a pretty girl, I hope the family gets the answers they need soon.

Good Luck,

Cassie

[gardenmom]

Hi, good website, but if you don't mind me saying the white text on black is really hard on the eyes. Maybe I'm just get old, though! I hope she is found some day.

[findcarrie]

Today was supposed to be the memorial for Carrie Culberson. A tip came earlier in the week about a barn with a concrete floor that was poured a few days after Carrie disappeared and it was owned by a friend of the accused boyfriend Vincent Doan.
They have been digging all day today taking up the floor after a cadavar dog picked up what was believed to be Carrie Culberson's scent. I had received an email earlier today but it has not been confirmed - from a Cincinatti PI who said they had located a body in the concrete from sonar but no one knows if it's Carrie yet. I dont know if this is true yet.
This case is breaking at a very strange time but we are grateful. We just hope that this is not an attempt by the Baker family to stop the memorial that was to be held today for Carrie. I am positive about this and I will post ANYTHING if it's indeed her. Please think of us all tonight & tomorrow.

JILL (lovespellcaster &findcarrie)
www.findcarrieculberson.com

[nanandjim]

... I am positive about this and I will post ANYTHING if it's indeed her. Please think of us all tonight & tomorrow.

JILL (lovespellcaster &findcarrie)
www.findcarrieculberson.com
Jill - My husband and I lived in the Cincinnati area when this happened. I have mentioned on the Laci Peterson forum how many false eyewitnesses stated they saw Carrie after she disappeared. I can't tell you how glad I was to see Vince Doan convicted and also his brother. I am just sorry that the father wasn't convicted. too. I feel they all knew and helped Vince cover it up and dispose of Carrie. Please let us know if Carrie has been found.

[mindys]

Search delayed because of rain:

Plans to continue to dig for the possible remains of Carrie Culberson in Brown County are on hold.

Searchers were scheduled to return to scene of the investigation but because of the rain, they will spend the day pumping water instead.

The 22-year old Blanchester woman disappeared almost eight-years ago.

Crews have spent the past two days digging inside a pole barn located off of Fayetteville-Blanchester Road. On Saturday searchers removed the barn's cement floor to begin the painstaking process of digging through dirt and gravel.


http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/05/02/culberson_noon.html

[findcarrie]

I want to tell you all that Vincent Doan has a website and I think it's important that you all see this and here's why. I want you to take a look at the way this website is maintained and just how distasteful it is. I recognize that anybody has a right to have support, but does it have to be represented in this fashion?
The news media has even seen this.
I tell ya, I dont care being called every name in the book if my efforts have caused such a rucus that what was one a semi-cold case to get moving again and bring somebody out who would finally give Carrie back to her family. I hope that tomorrow is finally the day

www.findcarrieculberson.com

www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan

[mindys]

The first two sentences said all I needed to read, 888 YEARS, Convicted of Murder. :loser:

[nanandjim]

I looked at the "Free Vince" website. I guess that it was one big conspiracy against Vince and his family. They certainly leave out quite a bit of facts, don't they? I almost signed the guestbook, stating my belief in his guilt. However, I thought better of it. I certainly wouldn't want any trouble from this clan. They are a scary bunch.

[findcarrie]

By: JUSTIN STORY, Staff Writer
Submitted: 5/6/2004


FAYETTEVILLE, Ohio -- As investigators continue to search for the body of Clarissa 'Carrie' Culberson, Carrie's mother Debra Culberson remains resolute that this latest effort will be successful.

'I have no reason not to be optimistic,' said Culberson shortly after authorities concluded another day of work at the site of a barn on Fayetteville-Blanchester Road about a mile from the Clinton County border.

Several family members wore buttons with Carrie's picture on them, and a sign was placed across from the entrance to the property where investigators are conducting their search.

The sign reads, 'Justice for Carrie -- Disappeared but not forgotten.'

Carrie, 22, disappeared in 1996 and was declared dead two years later.

Her boyfriend, Vincent Doan, was convicted in 1997 of her murder and is currently serving a life sentence.

Doan's brother, Tracey Baker, is serving an eight-year sentence for obstruction of justice related to the case.

A third cadaver dog brought to the site Wednesday picked up a scent, but dug in many areas of the barn. Two other dogs dug in the exact same spot.

Brown County Chief Deputy John Dunn said the newest cadaver dog had less experience, but added that the sheriff's department wanted the handler to observe and comment on the search.

'He came in to look at our site and assess what the dogs were doing,' said Dunn.

In addition to a cadaver dog, another expert, forensic anthropologist Dr. Beth Murray, visited the site during the morning to also observe the searching process.

Authorities at the scene said Murray encouraged investigators to continue as they had been doing and did not suggest altering their methods.

Murray, from the College of Mount St. Joseph, has identified human remains and determined cause of death in several previous criminal cases in the area.

As the family waits for another breakthrough, Debra Culberson receives daily support from passersby, whether friends or strangers.

A man driving a pickup truck gave her a single red rose and a note of encouragement Wednesday.

'Hoping you can finally put your daughter to rest in peace with God and that this will be your greatest Mother's Day ever,' the note reads. Culberson said she did not know the person who gave her the gifts.

'It's nice to know there are people I don't even know who are still thinking of us,' she said.

Tuesday, she received a dozen red roses and one yellow rose.

Dunn, meanwhile, said a fourth cadaver dog would be brought to the scene today, primarily to reconfirm that a scent other dogs have detected is traceable to a specific spot under the disturbed ground beneath the barn's concrete floor.

Earlier discussion of tearing down a wall of the barn in order to accommodate heavier equipment will not be acted upon, according to Dunn, who said he 'doesn't see a problem' with a larger machine fitting into the building.

In another development, Jarrod Messer, the owner of the property housing the barn, has been transferred from prison in Montgomery County to Warren County, Ohio.

Messer is serving a two-year sentence for charges unrelated to this case.

'We're interviewing everybody associated with the case,' said Dunn. 'We've put him closer to us in case investigators need him for something.'

[Juliana]

http://www.wkrc.com/breaking/story.aspx?content_id=680C5984-7235-4CC7-BBBE-341A58B3D878

More news. It sounds like they may be getting close to finding Carrie.

[nanandjim]

More news. It sounds like they may be getting close to finding Carrie.
I read another article that said that the Culberson's were called to the site to identify one item that was found beneath the ground and that the sister was visibly upset. The police won't say what the item was, only that it is usual for it to be so far beneath the ground.

I wonder if it was her purse. I wish that the guy who owns the land would just tell them what is going on. I guess that he's denying any knowledge of knowing that cement was poured, etc....

Wonder if Mr. Innocent Vince is sweating bullets about now...

I also wonder who called in the tip and if it will pan out. It looks like they are getting close at least to finding her personal items. God knows where Carrie might be. Vince thinks that he is smarter than everyone, just like most criminals.

[findcarrie]

New Article:

The arrival of the two coroners, the prosecutor and another cadavor dog at pole barn in Perry Township this morning is creating more questions than answers. Last week Fox 19 was told the coroner would not be called unless something significant had been found.

Yesterday after finding several "items" Carrie Culberson's family consulted with the Brown County Sherrif and then left the barn. During the search Debbie Culberson has spoken to the media each day but last night left without comment. No one will say exactly what the "items" might be just that it is unusual to find them buried so deep in the ground.

Culberson's ex-boyfriend Vince Doan was convicted in her murder. He is spending life in prison. Family and friends of Doan and his brother Tracey, who was also convicted in Carrie's disappearance, say they both are innocent.

Earlier, in the week long search a hair found inside the pole barn was sent to a crime lab. They determined it does not belong to Culberson. We have crew on the scene. Stay tuned to Fox19 and Fox19.com for more details.

http://www.fox19.com/Global/story.asp?S=1850954&nav=0zHFMxM4

[nanandjim]

...Culberson's ex-boyfriend Vince Doan was convicted in her murder. He is spending life in prison. Family and friends of Doan and his brother Tracey, who was also convicted in Carrie's disappearance, say they both are innocent. ...
Thanks for the update. I think police should be convincing the guy who owns the land to start talking. Vince and his brother will probably now blame this guy for murdering Carrie. I can see them making up some story about this guy being obsessed with Carrie, stalking her and killing her when his advances were spurned...:rolleyes:

[findcarrie]

Vince's family and supporters are up on his site saying that messer is the one who was fighting on the law of Billie Joe Brown instead of Vincent Doan.
Now knowing the past history of Vincent Doan's obcessive behavior, do ANY of you think he'd allow her to talk to another guy and leave with him after being on his front lawn? That's the most ridiculous thing I ever heard in my life. Anything to take the guilt away from him

FindCarrie
www.findcarriecuberson.com

Vincent Doan fan trash site:

www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan

I post that so you all can see the lies

[nanandjim]

Vince's family and supporters are up on his site saying that messer is the one who was fighting on the law of Billie Joe Brown instead of Vincent Doan.

Is Messer the one who owns the land? If so, did you see my previous post where I said that is what he was going to say? How predictable. I said that the guy better be talking to police if he knew anything because Vince would try to pin it on him.

Wanted to add: If Vince is trying to shift the blame, that could be a good sign that he knows that Carrie and/or her belongings will be found on the property. Otherwise, wouldn't he just scoff and say that Carrie was not there and that she was still alive somewhere?

[sojourns]

http://www.wkrc.com/breaking/story.aspx?content_id=F4CE66EB-D40B-48E9-869B-23394A42AD00
One of the items has been ID'd as Carrie's clothing

[nanandjim]

http://www.wkrc.com/breaking/story.aspx?content_id=F4CE66EB-D40B-48E9-869B-23394A42AD00
One of the items has been ID'd as Carrie's clothing
Thanks for posting. I wonder why they couldn't locate her body. I wonder if she is on that land somewhere. I wish that Messer guy would tell police what he knows--unless he is afraid of getting hurt by the "Doan" crew.

[one loving cousin]

Vincent Doan and Tracey Baker are both innocent and you all will realize that when the truth finally comes out and Carries body is found. The only thing that you people are listening to is what debbie Culberson has to say and that is far from the truth. She only lets you all know things that will make her and her family look so innocent. The property that they are searching for Carries body on belongs to Jarrod Messer. He is serving time in prison at this time for drug trafficking and felonious assault. He and Vincent were not friends and they never have been. He and Carrie on the other hand partied together.Debbie Culberson also used to date one of the Messers. His name is Mark. I don't know why she is telling everyone they haven't had anything to do with the Messers, maybe it's because she is afraid someone will learn the truth. It's a little to late to be worrying about that now it is all going to come out once and for all. For you who don't know Vincent he isn't the monster that Debbie Culberson wants you all to think he is and if Carrie was here right now she would still be right along side of him. She just happened to of been partying with the wrong people on the wrong night and now she is gone. Vincent and tracey will be home soon and so will Carrie.

[nanandjim]

.... For you who don't know Vincent he isn't the monster that Debbie Culberson wants you all to think he is ....
No, I guess that he is just a coward that likes to beat the hell out of women. Bet he isn't trying that in prison.

I see now the story is being changed from 'Carrie has run off' to 'someone else has murdered her.' I guess the authorities must be closing in on something.

[one loving cousin]

The picture of Carrie that everyone saw where she had two black eyes was not from Vincent, it was from her cousin, Shannon Culberson, who also dated Vincent. If he beat Carrie so much why didnt he get in trouble for it? Because it didnt happen. Several other women that Vince date said he never touched them. I guess you all dont know Carrie was known to hit people also and there is proof of that. She wasnt the angel her mom is making her out to be. We all want closure and if Jarrod Messer would tell everyone what he did to her we would have it. www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan/

[nanandjim]

... If he beat Carrie so much why didnt he get in trouble for it? ..
Believe what you want. I'm not buying it. I have seen interviews with her mother, her friends and the people with whom she worked. They ALL said that Vince abused Carrie. This last time, when Vince threw a space heater at Carrie, causing her to get numerous stitches/staples in her head, is the first time that she went to police and pressed charges. Vince was scheduled to go to court on this matter. Conveniently, Carrie disappeared before the trial date. The only matter that is unresolved is finding Carrie's body. The killer is already behind bars.

[one loving cousin]

You are right the killer is behind bars, in warren county. Vincent Doan did not kill Carrie culberson. Jarrod Messer also has property on Bauer rd that the police should be looking at. Ever since they started digging on Fayetteville blan rd alot of activity has been taking place on Bauer rd. Carries body is going to be moved because they are looking in the wrong place, all because no one wants to admit that they were wrong about Vincent. If this was all about finding Carrie they would be looking on Bauer rd also. It really sucks when you have to admit that your wrong but get over it and start looking where you were told to look, if you want to find the truth that is. www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan/

[solosamtheman]

The picture of Carrie that everyone saw where she had two black eyes was not from Vincent, it was from her cousin, Shannon Culberson, who also dated Vincent. If he beat Carrie so much why didnt he get in trouble for it? Because it didnt happen. Several other women that Vince date said he never touched them. I guess you all dont know Carrie was known to hit people also and there is proof of that. She wasnt the angel her mom is making her out to be. We all want closure and if Jarrod Messer would tell everyone what he did to her we would have it. www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan/
Now this is one blindly optimistic person. There are so many elements involved that pave the way for a situation like this. Were all those witnesses lying just because they hate this guy? And if that's true, why did they hate him and weren't they afraid of vengence from the rest of the clan? Or were they so sick of seeing what was really going on that they just didn't care anymore and wanted to see this guy get his? Can this person really say in good faith that they believe that this guy never hurt her in anyway? Can the others says that Carrie was in fact an angel who was a shining example to young women everywhere of how to be all you can be? I guess I'm from the "old school" where you are taught as a man that all you have the right to do is walk away. You don't have the right to impose your will on other people, including your mate. But what attracts a women to a man like this? There are so many things to consider that it boggles the mind. One thing that amazes me constantly, is the amount of time this God-forsaken system of ours spends on people that are really no threat to anyone anywhere and then lack the resources to prevent a situation like this from ever happening in the first place. And then of course there are those in law enforcement that should be mooping the floors at a fast food joint. They couldn't find their rear ends in a well light bathroom with a full length mirror and a spotlight. And we keep voting for the people who create systems like this. God help us all.

[nanandjim]

... Were all those witnesses lying just because they hate this guy? ...
Yeah, to hear him and his relatives tell it, it is one major conspiracy against Vince. :rolleyes: No rational thinking individual would ever buy that story. And, to say that the authorities are purposely not searching in the right area--just to keep Vince Doan behind bars. Ridiculous....

[sojourns]

It's either blame the victim
OR blame LE
Same old crap

He did it and they'll find her

[findcarrie]

Well, we figured it would take less than time than it has before Vince's 3 supporters found this message board too to say - INNOCENT or some other patheic statement like that. I'll tell you all why it's pathetic and the website for Vincent Doan is a joke. Please read below if you have time.

Vincent Doan has refused all requests to answer questions about Carrie Culberson. When you refuse ALL requests that says to most educated human beings that you've got something to hide. This was happening from the very moment Carrie Culberson disappeared.

This theory about Carrie's face and those marks not being made by Vince Doan is ludacrist too. She has hospital papers to prove that she didnt put on makeup and pose for a camera. A man who's name I will not post on a public message board gave a police statment that he saw Vincent Doan hitting and kicking Carrie in April of 1996 when the Jeep ran out of gas. This was not an elvis sighting. It really happened.

Carrie Culberson did not go over to Jarrod Messer's house and die of a drug overdose. Even if she had done that, it would be pretty lame to not call the police and ambulance - but instead go outside and start digging with a back hoe.
If Vincent Doan didnt know a thing about Carrie's disappearance, why did he tell three people on August 29, 1996 "Why does she have to sneak in through the bushes when she comes home". How could he know that unless he was sitting out there next to the house waiting ? Keep in mind, Debbie Culberson had a case against him for hiding on her property from a previous time when he was waiting for Carrie one night. They forgot to tell you all that, didnt they? Police report will reflect that BTW

Debbie Culberson, Carrie Culberson & Christina Culberson may be a whoremongers in the eyes of Vincent Doan's family but let's try this on for size. Vincent Doan moved another girl into his residence less than two weeks after Carrie went missing. He was having an affair with his Brother's wife, and Vince's father has a total of 62 children outside of his marriage to Betty Baker whom he's been married to for 37 years . Vincent Doan told the POLICE this when they took him into custody. Vince was one of those children Lawrence Baker had. Vince's mother Priscilla Doan WORKS for Lawrence Baker & his wife. Betty Baker allows this to happen. Not only THAT... Lawrence Baker (Vince's father) has a child with Priscilla Doan's daugther Katrina. Now if Debbie Culberson is a whore and all these things they've called her, you must wonder what the Baker family is. Process that for a minute.

These comments about a conspiracy between Debbie Culberson & channel 12 news is so funny. Debbie Culberson has NEVER paraded around the cameras. They are going up to her.

By finding these garbage bags and materials that Lori Baker testified to and they are linked to Carrie, that means that her testimony is shown now beyond a shadow of a doubt to be truthful. You people have used the good ole boy tactics for a long time and it's worked for you, however you've stepped on somebody's toes and they've let the cat out of the bag. I doubt seriously sweetie pie will be coming home. 1. because he wouldnt tell anybody anything, we had to find it on our own, so the plea bargin is void.
2. when the find her body, and we will, that will prove that Carrie Culberson didnt strip off buck naked and leave town with some hippies. Your theory will be out the door.

So what you need to do is concentrate on getting your facts straight on that website you've got because you are about two steps away from a slander suit. Even if Vincent Doan was innocent, you all are making him look like a total idiot and you are presenting yourselves as a group of inbred wifebeating liars. The media, and everybody on the internet is seeing that more and more each day. Sticks & stones may break our bones, but your comments to us are like a poot in a whirlwinds.

I'm sorry for this being so long, but I feel like ppl need to know. I dont care if they like it or not. The truth hurts.

[nanandjim]

...you are presenting yourselves as a group of inbred wifebeating liars. ....
This is exactly how I saw this clan from the beginning. Thank God Lori Baker had the courage to step forward and stand up for Carrie Culbertson. I hope that Lori is doing okay today. Have they released the findings on what they found at the digging site?

[findcarrie]

There is no information released yet on the soil samples or the Luminol tests. They are showing that garbage bags, duct tape and a shirt belonging to Carrie was found in the excavation hole. Those soil samples will take about another week to be completed.

[nanandjim]

There is no information released yet on the soil samples or the Luminol tests. They are showing that garbage bags, duct tape and a shirt belonging to Carrie was found in the excavation hole. Those soil samples will take about another week to be completed.
Do they think that Carrie's body is somewhere on that land? Have they talked to the owner? Will he cooperate?

[MomLady]

I am hoping that they can find Carrie and lay her to rest.

She deserves to be found and mourned. Sure she wasn't perfect (no one is!) but she sure didn't deserve what happened.

Her bright smile reminds me of Laci. One of those people whose whole faces lights up.

What a waste of a life and those that covered this up.

JMO

MomLady

PS Thanks for posting this and creating the website, FindCarrie!

[findcarrie]

You all, something that is VERY important to remember is that I usually keep my negative comments quiet but I think it needs to be made known all the harassment a few of us who work on this case have had to deal with. Every day I open up my inbox where somebody's posted to Carrie's guestbook calling her a whore, among other choice words. They say all kinds of stuff about me, Carrie and her family. There is about three people who think Vince is innocent and they create 40 or 50 emails accounts and even sign on and off with various disks from AOL to disguise themselves not to mention their ISP #s. This type of stuff is very ridulous not to mention the potty mouth comments that are inside Vince's guestbook. SURE we get people writing in calling Vince a loser. I dont post that. People can see for themeselves what the score is. I just had to let a few of you know what is going on and stand up for Carrie & her family.
They say proven guilty by theory but proven innocent by facts. Show me some solid facts on that website and I'll make a public apology. Every word on that site has been twisted and turned to the point it is commical.

The papers are reporting that Messer is not cooperating with authorties but I find it very odd that he's been moved from almost 2 hours away to Warren county which is about 20 mins tops. Looks like somebody better start coming up with some more ideas for how that stuff got in that hole. Wait a minute... I got it... aliens could've landed and drugged everybody at that party.

[nanandjim]

... They say all kinds of stuff about me, Carrie and her family. There is about three people who think Vince is innocent....
Findcarrie - You don't need to defend your, Carrie's or her family's position. Those few people are seen for what they are. The poster that has come here defending Vince sounds totally ridiculous. People see through that nonsense.

I suspect those three people don't really think Vince is innocent. They just don't care what he did. They just want him out. Sorry, it won't ever happen. So, what else do they have but to spout out ridiculous conspiracy theories.

I had read about Vince's father and his extracurricular activities/children, etc. I also read about the fear and abuse that goes on in that clan. That's why I admire Lori so much for stepping forward. Tsk, tsk....this clan never dreamed one of the women would break rank.

Plus, this group of lowlife men treat all women like dirt and think very lowly of them. They can only get a certain type. Carrie didn't fit the mold, and Vince couldn't beat her into submission. That's why he killed her.

In any case, try not to let these people bother you. As my mother always said, "Consider the source."

And, take comfort in the fact, that they didn't get away with it.

[findcarrie]

I guess I just wanted to let all those who ever doubted anything to know that all the facts and the stuf to back it up is on Carrie's site. I know that I probably put too much on that site, but I have strived from day one to make sure that if somebody came looking for information that they'd have it there and it wouldnt be some kind of theory with nothing to hold it up.

I do hope that we get the answers soon. I know that they are probably laughing at us today because those DNA test came back negative. I still have to wonder why anybody would dig that far down to bury those types of materials. Perhaps whoever called that in knew that they'd look there first and then it would lead to Carrie. I am not giving up on this yet.

[one loving cousin]

yes, most of the witnesses against Vincent were lying. Billy Jo Brown had several warrants against her and several charges that seemed to have disappear during that trial, Lori Baker has told many people that she was given pain pills and sleeping pills. Most of them were told what to say and we know that for a fact because most of them have now recanted their stories. You people only hear and believe what poor Debbie Culberson wants you to believe. Think about it, they found a shirt that belongs to Carrie on one property, more than they ever found on anything that belonged to the Bakers why arent they looking on the BAUER RD property? I would be if I was really concerned about finding my daughter, but Debbie Culberson has different motives. www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan/

[findcarrie]

Billie Joe Brown had been a drunk in the past and wrote a bad check one time. Lori Baker wasnt drugged at any time. She did admit about ordering information pertaining to the Wiccan faith at one time. However Lawerence Baker was arrested last April of 2003 for distribution of Oxcontin. That is a high powered pain killer (also known as a the hill billy herion and no I am not being a smart ellic. Look it up and see what it is referred to. So, looks to me like your group of folks are the ones with drug charges on them. Matter of fact, I'm wondering if Messer wasnt involved in that sting that went down last April with Lawrence Baker and of course Lawerence slipped through the cracks one more time and Messer did not. Perhaps Messer has told on dada???

You'll see that two of your so-called wonderful Bakers are behind bars looks like the jury found them guilty.
If you want lies, let's look at the witnesses they called to stand for the defense who were all aquaintances of the Baker family or somebody who was driving right up beside a vehicle and KNEW it was Carrie but DIDNT write down the damn tag #. That's a little fishy to me? But then again so is this whole story. Makes our so called hearsay witnesses not look so idiotic after all? Points to ponder. That means think about it . BTW

[findcarrie]

Oh and while I'm at it. Talking about outstanding warrants. Did you happen to tell the viewers on Vince's site that he had a charge against him for assault and battery AND a driving on suspended license AND a previous attempted murder charge that was later dropped b/c the guy was scared to death of what would happen if he didnt plea bargin and tell them that Vince didnt mean to shoot him in the face???? Yall forgot to tell them that part didnt you?

[one loving cousin]

Actually Jill, you should check your facts again. Last April Lawrence Baker was set up by Al Lakes who later went to court and told the investigators he didnt know anything about what they were talking about just to make the cops all look like idiots. The charges were dropped. Vincent wasnt charged with attempted murder, as a matter of fact he got into a fight with one of his friends, and during the struggle a gun went off.No one was charged with attempted murder because it was an accident.
Lori Baker has told me and several other people that she lied on the witness stand, Vincent was not at her house that night and was not covered in blood. I guess you should keep tabs on your so called star witnesses and keep them out of the bars. You know the truth comes out when you have been drinking. Some people let all of their secrets out. As for Billy Jo Brown she is a drunk and always will be. She had to be told who to pick out in the line up, she didnt even know what Vincent looked like until he was pointed out to her. So much for your reliable witnesses. Like I said before the truth will come out and you all are going to be standing around still trying to tie this all to Vincent and Tracey, but they will be home soon. www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan/

[nanandjim]

.... Like I said before the truth will come out and you all are going to be standing around still trying to tie this all to Vincent and Tracey, but they will be home soon. ...]
I thought the District Court of Appeals upheld their convictions, stating the evidence supported the convictions. Or do you also think the District Court of Appeals' judges are part of this vast conspiracy?? :rolleyes:

[findcarrie]

You know... I am not commenting any more on anything of these stupid comments. I will say this though. You all might want to rethink your strategies for making up these boggus stories about me and the Culberson family. You might see yourself in court again with a law suit. I dont have to be afraid of what I speak because I have FACTS AND COURT PAPERS to show it's true. It's alright for you all to say something derragatory about Carrie and her family but when one of us shoots some FACTS back at you about what you really are about, it sets you on fire. I think it's absolutely hilarious.

This is all a pathetic attempt to make the one or two people who actually are ignorant enough to think that he's innocent, that all this stuff they've found actually makes what Lori Baker spoke on the stand, drunk, high on drugs, and a witch, WAS PROBABLY MORE TRUTHFUL THAN WHAT YOU CAN REFUTE NOW. I seriously doubt that somebody is gonna go out in the back yard and start digging a hole like that to bury some garbage bag, duct tape, and a shirt. Everybody knows the score here.

Folks dont even respond to any more posts from this DA. (not District Attorney) BTW :hand:

[nanandjim]

....Folks dont even respond to any more posts from this DA. (not District Attorney) BTW :hand:
I agree with you, and so does everyone who has any sense and who has read about the case. I only responded to let the poster know that his/her stories of conspiracy are ridiculous. The relatives know the truth. They just don't care that an innocent person was beaten to death. Their callousness says a lot about what type of individuals they truly are.

I won't be responding to any more of the poster's comments because I think that I have made my point. I want to thank you, Findcarrie, for the information that you have provided. Hopefully, you and Carrie's family know that 99.99% of the public are supportive and sympathetic to this tragic situation.

[findcarrie]

You dont know what is being searched and what is not. Furthermore, you dont know half as much as this so-called trailer park soured GA Peach does - quote from one of your 40 posts on Vince's website. I could be living two counties over from you????????????????You might find some people willing to listen to your stories if you would learn how to post a message on his message board with a different typing mannerism. EXAMPLE: you double space two times at the end of a sentence. NOT one time. AND not to mention the contents of the guestbook.

Also, you are not a a cousin, you are a 62 year old woman who your grandaughter is doing the website for Vince - her name is not Rachel EITHER. You might want to check into some of your facts too because ur talking out your hine end again.
Everybody has had enough of your stupid stories & your 40 plus AOL accounts you are using to conceal your ISP #. We know already - HE'S INNOCENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE LOVE YOU VINCE AND TRACEY. UR COMING HOME SOON. LOL

I love you and buh bye now.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Char]

yes, most of the witnesses against Vincent were lying. Billy Jo Brown had several warrants against her and several charges that seemed to have disappear during that trial, Lori Baker has told many people that she was given pain pills and sleeping pills. Most of them were told what to say and we know that for a fact because most of them have now recanted their stories. You people only hear and believe what poor Debbie Culberson wants you to believe. Think about it, they found a shirt that belongs to Carrie on one property, more than they ever found on anything that belonged to the Bakers why arent they looking on the BAUER RD property? I would be if I was really concerned about finding my daughter, but Debbie Culberson has different motives. www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan/

:boohoo: Play the violins because your boy is guilty and you know it. EVERYONE in the whole county is in a conspiracy against your "boy" and his family. Why would the entire county be against your family? Evidence proved your boy guilty in a court of law. The only way you can ever refute anything is to slander the Culberson family, Carrie's memory, Finding Carrie and anyone who disagrees with you. As far as the website is concerned, FindCarrie is so positive and says she will not participate in negative websites. Unlike you posting under five or six different names and using the same mannerisms, spellings, and words used, Find Carrie is doing something positive instead of spewing garbage. Vince murdered Carrie Culberson, disposed of her body with the help of his pa and brother and now he shall rot in jail. No one wins in this situation. Please tell your cousin to tell where he buried Carrie's body, so she can finally rest in peace.

[findcarrie]

You guys, we are putting ourselves in a situation where we are not any better than the comments that are being spit out about us. from this point forward, let's just dont acknowledge anymore of that. We have to work on a positive scale here and let them do their thing.
No matter what you do, there is always going to be somebody try to disagree with you. We know that we know and we have our facts, that's all that matters.

You all keep supporting finding this young woman and what her family is working to accomplish and that is to find Carrie Culberson!!!!

[one loving cousin]

If you all are trying to be so helpful why dont you suggest that they look on Jarrod Messers other property that is on Bauer Rd? are you all to afraid of who they might find there or what? I know if my daughter disappeared and I already decided that she was dead I would be looking wherever I heard about, no matter where it is at. Vincent told everyone about a year ago that Messers property needed to be looked at but no one wanted to listen to him. You alll are so sure that he did it, you are afraid to think that you might just be wrong. Jarrod Messer is sitting in jail laughing at all of you right now because he knows no one is going to look on Bauer Rd, He knows that it would make you all look so bad if you were wrong about Vincent, and none of you want to look bad, do ya? It's a little too late for that, you all are looking worse everyday because you only hear what you want to hear. Vincent and Tracey arent lying, they want to know where Carrie is at more than anyone else, so the truth will be known and they can be back home with their families. YOu all just need to suck it up and start looking on Messers other property. Think about it, why would they stop looking if they found her shirt at his house?????? :confused: That is more than they ever found at the Doans or the Bakers property. You all can think what you want to about Billie Jo Brown and Lori Baker I dont really care, I know that they are both liars. What is it going to hurt to look at some more of Messers property?????? If you all are really trying to find Carrie keep looking at him. Vincent told ya all that a long time ago, its about time to start listening so Carrie can come home too. :)

[nicnak]

:banghead: I am appaled by what I see in some of the message boards and guestbooks I just do not see what the since is in saying things like Everybody knows the score here.
this is not a game here this is real life and someone has lost their life and if Vincent is innocent then he has lost years off of his life as well I don't know what we solve by this type of behavior other then hard feelings and to be honest is there any solid hard proof to go digging up mr messers property out on bauer rd because you just cant start digging a hole on ppls property with out good solid evidence so please try working together and finding Carrie this has become a game to some people it should be all about finding carrie at this point because you have some people saying that vincent is not guilty and that someone else did it but at the same time the same people said not to long ago that she was seen after the fact people are saying her mother needs to be looked at (im sorry but that is sick you can tell by looking at her she is sick from not knowing where her daughter is and how her last few minuted were on this earth imagine the hell )and then bringing up things like Vincents father having 62 children while still being married you can not place blame on offspring for a child does not choose their parents who cares anyway what does this have to do with finding carrie the goal that is always stated is FINDING CARRIE focus on FINDING Carrie be it to prove your point that vincent doan is guilty or be it to prove that vincent doan is innocent share your information make someone listen go to the local papers I know my area has where you can put your own comment in the paper if you have evidence and think the police or whoever is ignoring you because they are out to keep Vincent in jail then put that info in the news papers make it known once it becomes public knowledge someone will look at it you can always go higher than the local law enforcement stay strong all

[findcarrie]

Once again, it's alright for you all to say something offcolor and with no substance about Debbie Culberson and Carrie, but when we point out a few questionable problems with you all, which are a lot more disturbing, we are GOING TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

If you are going to come at a helpless victim with some ridulous comment, have some legal facts to back it. Otherwise some of your skeletons will be brought to light and it's embrassing as hell.

[Char]

Once again, it's alright for you all to say something offcolor and with no substance about Debbie Culberson and Carrie, but when we point out a few questionable problems with you all, which are a lot more disturbing, we are GOING TO HELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

If you are going to come at a helpless victim with some ridulous comment, have some legal facts to back it. Otherwise some of your skeletons will be brought to light and it's embrassing as hell.

FindCarrie: Like you have been telling us, please don't waste your time on Vince's so-called cousin and supporters. He was found guilty in a court of law. All the proof and witnesses that Law Enforcement needed to convict Vincey and Tracy was provided. The clone followers can whine all they want to about his innocence. Vincey was found guilty. Period. Carrie will be found shortly and they will continue to rant and rave and slander you and Carrie's family and memory. Don't waste your time with these lowlifes. God will deal with these folks eventually like he is dealing with Vincey Boy!!

Thanks for all the good work your doing.

[nicnak]

I am pleading with everyone to focus on finding Carrie finding clues to her whereabouts.I am convenced she is dead and it is strange the way the story keeps changing please try to ignore the "offcolor comments" about Mrs.Culberson which is wrong and please try to refrain from offcolor comments about vince's family I know it is hard I have read all the stuff it is hard not to bring up some of it it makes for great reading but defeats the purpose of all of this both sides have stated thier purpose and this bickering is making both lose focus take care all and stay strong
may carrie be laid to rest soon for her familys sake I can not imagine the pain they feel and do not ever want to feel such a pain

[Char]

Its not doing much good for CHAR aka CC to be sending nasty emails to Rachel. What does Rachel have to do with this, I don't think she is the one that killed Carrie. Leave her alone.

:clap: You folks will stoop to anything to take away from the seriousness of the crime that Vincent committed. I for one have NOT, I repeat NOT been sending nasty emails to this Rachal person. I do not know her, nor do I care too after reading the nasty website over there. I wrote to another person asking why she prints only one side of the story and not everyones. WHY she is allowing slanderous comments to be put up about Carrie, her memory and Carrie's family. YOU Folks obviously have wayyy to much time on your hands, altering emails is obviously one of your things you folks enjoy doing. Quit slandering my name or you shall be in legal trouble. YOU folks obviously have issues, which is fine, but I would suggest not slandering my name, nor Carrie's mother, FindCarrie and others. You think Vince is in trouble, you will find out soon enough if you continue with your libelous ways. Focus on Finding Carrie's body, which was moved from the Doan Property and moved to another property to make it look like someone else did it. I will say it once again, VINCE was found guilty along with Tracy in a court of law and sentenced accordingly. You can't change the truth or the verdict so you will attack others? OK Go ahead. You banging your head against the wall. YOU cannot hurt me like you hurt Carrie. I would advise you to stop. Have a great day!!

[nicnak]

oh how did I get thrown up in this childish stuff I was only hoping to get you all to work together nothing more so from now on I will come here and to the other 2 site only to read the soap opera that has become of this poor girls death

[one loving cousin]

There are alot of people in this world who are convicted of crimes they didn't commit. It happens all the time, to thousands of people. Then after years are taken from their lives and their families and friends work hard to get the truth known to people, they are aquitted and try to put their lives back together. Tracey and Vincent will be home one of these days. They did not kill Carrie Culberson. You all have been trying to come up with evidence against them for the past eight years and haven't acomplished anything .The proof is right in front of you and you all are to afraid to think that Carrie could have possibly been at Messers house, why not? Its not like that would have been the first time she has went and partied with someone like Jarrod Messer. There are plenty of people that have said Carrie has done drugs with them, most of them were her friends. How do you all know she didnt od???? How can you be so sure that Vincent killed her??????? Were you there????? Most of you don't even know Vincent or Tracey. As I said before you have seen Debbie Culberson on all the tv shows and feel sorry for her because she lost her daughter, well we feel bad that she lost her daughter too, but you are looking in the wrong places at the wrong people. Open your eyes people and start looking at what is really going on. Vincent and Tracey have tried to help out with the investigation as much as they could but you all never hear what they have to say, you hear what you want to hear. ;) :doh:

[findcarrie]

Emails sent to Carrie Culberson's website that say something like...

F U and your family. SHe got what she deserved OR Vincent Doan is a LOSER are not posted. We run a professional website and nobody is allowed to post from the same ISP # more than one time, unless of course they disguise the ISP and it slips by the moderator. I do not condone trash mouth towards the victim or her alleged killer. We dont run that type of site.

[Char]

:liar: Honey, it's okay to say that your wrong. I am not here to argue with trolls. I am only here to support FindCarrie and do whatever it takes to bring Carrie home. I will go anywhere I choose and if appropriate I shall point out again that you folks change emails, change nics and post to yourself and continue to slander Carrie and her mother, Carrie's memory and whatever else you can think off. VINCE is a murderer convicted in court with TONS of evidence which only you and your clones choose not to see. VINCE is where he will spend the rest of his life and I will bet you $2.00 that is where he stays. Period. YOU remember that you and your friends and the Baker family have to live with and face what he did and what he is....A CONVICTED MURDER. :laugh:

[one loving cousin]

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you people, but when it comes time to collect, I'll be back to get my $2.00. HAVE A NICE DAY :twocents:
www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan/ :)

[snorky]

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you people, but when it comes time to collect, I'll be back to get my $2.00. HAVE A NICE DAY :twocents:
www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan/ (http://www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan/) :)
Thank you. It has been been very exhausting reading your posts.

[Storm]

Reading this thread reminds me of my hometown that I left in mid Ohio in 1965. There are obviously some very illiterate folks (not to mention either naive or stupid) supporting a murderer and some sincere folks trying desperately to help a family bring a loved one home.
Anyone with any intelligience can read the court records, the case history and know beyond a doubt that Vincent Doan is a bottom dwelling scumbag that killed Carrie. It's nice to know that 12 members of a jury saw it so clearly too.

[nanandjim]

Thank you. It has been been very exhausting reading your posts.

Agree. Take the ridiculous stories elsewhere. Nobody's buying it here.

[findcarrie]

Hey let's talk about something positive today. I have gotten some mailing labels that folks can download on Carrie's site that circulate her information. They are located on the links page where you download her banners. I thought this would be really cool for people who want to help us circulate her story.

:o

[Storm]

Honey, if you are truly a "loving cousin", reread the case files,
and open your eyes. I am proud that my cousins are independent
free thinkers with brains of their own. I'd never expect them to
blindly defend me if I were him. I've been
stalked and abused, I know what it looks like and this is it if I've
ever seen it in my life, and what's more, I think you know it.

[blueclouds]

On Kristen Smarts Message board... actually the site dedicated to the alleged perp Paul Flores... www.sonofsusan.com there is a post that noted that Carrie Culberson's disappearce is very similar to Kristen's. I see that there is another suspect here but I thought I'd post this anyway.

http://findkristins.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=Readtheoverwhelmingevidenseagainst thismanandhisfamilybutstillhispropertycannotbedugu pyetWHY&action=display&num=1084772040

[Char]

I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you people, but when it comes time to collect, I'll be back to get my $2.00. HAVE A NICE DAY :twocents:
www.geocities.com/freevincentdoan/ :)

:) I hate to tell you this but emails have been changed by you and others to harrass me, FindCarrie and anyone who disagrees with you. YOu have gone to the other site to try to defame me now, making threats of lawsuits and trying to tell Jill that I am slandering her and Carrie's mother. Now that is pathetic. Unlike Vince's website, YOU can't change these posts and/or alter them. Please leave Carrie's memory alone, Please leave Jill alone and continue on your way. I stand by what I have said previously, I did not slander you folks, call you names in emails or make any threats. I sent messages but I shall mention again, FOR you to stop slandering her family, and that your VINCE was found guilty in a court of law. Unlike you, I do not have to stoop to threats to get my point across. Truth wins out. PS your threats and intimidations cannot hurt me. God be with you.

PS....and for the Record of the person sending me hate emails, my name and initials are CC. Period. You can try to pit two folks who are in the same camp against eachother but it won't work. Unlike you nasty people, WE are working toward a common goal. FINDING Carrie and making sure VINCE stays in jail for Carrie's murder. I will say a prayer for your soul.

[findcarrie]

The son of susan website is done by a friend of mine Dennis Mahon. He points out the similarities of the two cases. Both families have had to endure constant harassment over this. But thank GOD above in our situation, the "alleged" killer is behind bars. Our sister sites have all witnessed this BS of the SAME people coming over asking for assistance to help them with Vincent, but then turning into a 7th grade shouting match with anybody who disagrees with what the Clinton County Prosecutor's office and the jury found. Which brings me to ask... where is the ignore user button on this message board?

[coopkid]

Ok, I have only lived in the Blanchester area a few years, and don't know either family....but I heard about the Culberson disappearance when it happened, and have been reading a lot about it since the new dig began. Here are a few questions from an "outsider's" perspective:

1. Doan's supporters are now pointing to Messer, suggesting he acted without Doan. A lot of folks have claimed (on Vincent Doan's website) that Carrie overdosed at Messer's house, and "they" got scared and buried her. Who are "they"? Did "they" not realize that far more trouble would come upon them for gross abuse of a corpse, obstruction of justice, etc.,etc., than for getting high at a party? Any drugs or illegal paraphernalia could easily have been gotten rid of before calling the police/ambulance. Easier than getting rid of a body. Oh, sorry....A body AND a car. Right. People O.D. all the time, but that doesn't mean that everyone in the immediate vicinity is automatically sent up for murder. So I don't buy this "they got scared" theory.....obviously, there is more to this story than any accidental overdose. Also, how were "they" so sure she was dead and not passed out? Were they medics? Did they try to revive her (while NOT calling 911)? If someone accidentally overdosed at your house, would you bury them in your backyard? And expect not to be found out? This is a ridiculous theory.

2. Who built the barn? Actually constructed it? Was it built after her disappearance, or was it just the lean-to that was built after her disappearance? I am confused about this....

3. So now the folks on Doan's site are posting that of course Carrie was at Messer's....this is where she went to pick up her drugs. This conflicts with the previous claim that "Vincent and his father went to look for her at Chrisopher's bar in Hillsboro, because this is where Carrie got her drugs".......Messer's barn is a long way from Christopher's bar in Hillsboro.

4. Purely speculation here......but, I have been around the old block a few times, so to speak. If anyone had a drug habit here, it wasn't the Culberson girl. She:
- was gainfully employed.
- was apparently attending a community college (I know a professor at Clermont who mentioned that Carrie was in her class, so I know this is true).
- (judging by her pictures) always looked healthy, neat, CLEAN, and well-put together.
- was involved in sports (played on a volleyball team). As a general rule, people who are heavily into the drug scene do not get involved in sports. Trust me on this; I've been there and I know.
- had goals in life.

5. A 22 year old girl whose family, job, friends, & boyfriend are all in the immediate area, where she has lived all her life, does not just take off and move to another state over her lunch hour, never to be seen or heard from again. C'mon, folks, she has a sister that she obviously loved, two parents, lots of friends.....A LIFE in Blanchester. Also, how would she have supported herself without being able to use her car (which eventually would have been pulled over for a traffic violation, just being seen, etc.) and without any money? (The court transcript says that her bank account remained untouched). This theory is even more ridiculous than the overdose theory.

6. What does Mr. Doan have to say about the recent events? People in prison still have internet access. Why doesn't he post on his website?

[blueclouds]

The son of susan website is done by a friend of mine Dennis Mahon. He points out the similarities of the two cases. Both families have had to endure constant harassment over this. But thank GOD above in our situation, the "alleged" killer is behind bars. Our sister sites have all witnessed this BS of the SAME people coming over asking for assistance to help them with Vincent, but then turning into a 7th grade shouting match with anybody who disagrees with what the Clinton County Prosecutor's office and the jury found. Which brings me to ask... where is the ignore user button on this message board?


Hi, thank you for the feedback. The ignore button is in the "user cp" that you click on at the top. From there look on the left hand side and down at the bottom of the list, it's under "miscellaneous". Buddys/ignore Lists.
Hope that helps.

BTW, let whomever have their fun. They are sick and pathetic. If they think they will be waving to all us, whatever. People like that don't deserve ANY attention. They are low lives and will always be. When you rise above them, you become the stronger more confident BETTER person... Let them remain the "trailer trash" they are.

[blueclouds]

:) I hate to tell you this but emails have been changed by you and others to harrass me, FindCarrie and anyone who disagrees with you. YOu have gone to the other site to try to defame me now, making threats of lawsuits and trying to tell Jill that I am slandering her and Carrie's mother. Now that is pathetic. Unlike Vince's website, YOU can't change these posts and/or alter them. Please leave Carrie's memory alone, Please leave Jill alone and continue on your way. I stand by what I have said previously, I did not slander you folks, call you names in emails or make any threats. I sent messages but I shall mention again, FOR you to stop slandering her family, and that your VINCE was found guilty in a court of law. Unlike you, I do not have to stoop to threats to get my point across. Truth wins out. PS your threats and intimidations cannot hurt me. God be with you.

PS....and for the Record of the person sending me hate emails, my name and initials are CC. Period. You can try to pit two folks who are in the same camp against eachother but it won't work. Unlike you nasty people, WE are working toward a common goal. FINDING Carrie and making sure VINCE stays in jail for Carrie's murder. I will say a prayer for your soul.


:clap: :woohoo: :woohoo: :D :clap: :woohoo: You tell 'em Char! You go girl!!!

[findcarrie]

Some of those idiots on Vince's site have decided to make my previous screen name something derragatory or of questionable character. I will explain this to anybody who wonders.

In 2000, I received a gift for Christmas from Victoria's Secret. Not from a lover or man in the town who had 89 kids.
It was a lotion gift set called - LOVE SPELL. For a very very long time that was my favorite scent - because most women do like things like that. Anyway, I had a screen name that several of my friends thought was totally stupid so my then friend Wendy told me I need to change my screen name. I couldnt think of anything else but LOVESPELL at the time. Being that sounded weird, I added caster to it. I never knew it had anything to do with paganism or casting spells. I knew they existed but it was never something I did. If you go to the Victoria's Secret WEbsite, the lotion is listed FOR SALE there. So if anybody who wonders about that - that is where it came from. I am not Wiccan or Pagan. I happen to be a SOUTHERN BAPTIST THANK YOU.
I'm glad to see that even somebody's screen name is attacked. My mom and I get a kick out of that because she is the one who gave me the lotion that has caused so much controversy.
In case anybody wants to know... I left that fragrance and screen name behind. LOL

:laugh:

[nanandjim]

Ok, I have only lived in the Blanchester area a few years, and don't know either family....but I heard about the Culberson disappearance when it happened, and have been reading a lot about it since the new dig began. Here are a few questions from an "outsider's" perspective:

...
Excellent and intelligent post, coopkid. Good luck on getting reasonable answers from the "Vince is coming home soon" crowd.

[bobbijo69]

im sorry to say this but if that was my daughter missing, no matter what i would not stop looking for her in all the different places and i would not let leads go un heard. Apparently thats what they are doing on this case. There is so much information in regards to the site on Baur Road. Why aren't the athorities searching there? If they have been told that then they need to look there. And another thing there is no amount of money that would bring me happieness if my child was still missing after 8 years.

[Char]

im sorry to say this but if that was my daughter missing, no matter what i would not stop looking for her in all the different places and i would not let leads go un heard. Apparently thats what they are doing on this case. There is so much information in regards to the site on Baur Road. Why aren't the athorities searching there? If they have been told that then they need to look there. And another thing there is no amount of money that would bring me happieness if my child was still missing after 8 years.

:hand: Now how are you related to the Doans/Bakers clan? You sound just like a person and/or persons that have been posting here and on Vincent's board. Well ask Vincent why he chose not to testify. Ask Vincent why he isn't telling the family of Carrie Culberson where he finally buried her? Ask Vincent why he chose to move her body with his brother after being notified by the town law enforcement? Ask Vincent why he is choosing to try to "Frame" another man for something he did? The answer being, they have the right man in jail and he is going to stay there for a mighty looong time.

:behindbar Jailbird for LIFE!!

[bobbijo69]

Not related to either family in any way! Vincent did not testify because of the attorney. He wanted to testify and was strongly advised not too. He didn’t bury her any where, because HE did NOT do it, plain and simple. I know some one that is very close to him whom he trusts and he was asked all of these questions before, during, and after the trial. He has and always will answer these questions the same way, “I love her, I would never hurt her.” The person that asked the questions grew up around a family member that is a habitual liar and KNOWS when someone is lying and when someone is telling the truth. You can tell by body language and eye movements! He IS telling the truth!

[bobbijo69]

MY answers:

1) It was NOT 2 weeks later and it really has nothing to do with this case other than to satisfy your own curiosity.



2) Because his lawyer did not want him to. Because again he was told NOT to say anything without his attorney present! He was strongly advised by his attorney NOT to testify, he wanted to.





3) He has tried that but according to the law it has to be done through the judicial system.



4) I can not answer this question, I was not there. You would have to ask Carrie, but she isn’t here now is she? I did hear from one of her aunts that it was NOT caused from a fight with Vincent but from Carrie’s own cousin, Shannon. Maybe you should ask her.



5) What does this even have to do with the case? NOTHING! No one can be held accountable for anyone else’s actions except for that person or persons that are involved.



6) I believe if you watch the old clips of the news while the trial was on, the friend, told everyone that it WAS accidental. And it was over a girl, yes. Vincent walked in on them in HIS house in bed together. What would you have done? Honestly, can you say that if you were in love with some one and walked in on them and someone else that you would react without thinking?





Show the proof that you have. Police statements? Statements of the police or statements that the police took from someone else? Police statements are not sworn statements, and if someone can lie in court (perjury) then someone can easily lie on a piece of paper. I say give them ALL lie detector tests, including you and me!




According to the Fire reports it was arson, but I believe that if you research it further the Whitten’s were in financial trouble at the time and it was discovered that they were brought up on charges for insurance fraud. Do you have video tape of this things you are accusing Lawrence of or just someone’s statement? Why don’t you all talk to the rest of the actual Culberson clan. I know for fact that there is more than one that can fill in some of these questions that are out there about Debbie and Carrie. I am not saying anything bad about them, just that they are not as “Angelic” as they would have you believe. No one is, we are all human and guess what…WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES! It is not us to judge, but we all will be held accountable by the one that matters – GOD! I am not professing to be any better than anyone else, I admit that I have made my own mistakes that I will answer to, but LET IT GO! LET ONLY THOSE WITHOUT SIN THROW THE FIRST STONE! You can’t because you have also sinned - we all do!



How can you speculate as to what happened? You weren’t there. It is nothing but speculation. Give me hard factual or visual proof in order for me to believe any other way then the way that I believe and I will apologize to anyone that I have hurt in the process. But I do not feel that I have hurt any one, I feel for both families, loss in any form is hard to deal with…It takes time to heal and those out there that want to keep this feud going, you’ll get yours in the end when you face the final judgment of GOD!

[findcarrie]

LOL - we were asking some of yall a few questions. Seems like nobody can ask nothing from this side w/out being told we are sticking our noses where it doesnt belong.
Besides we were just F***ing around with you anyway, we know he didnt do it, and she ran out with a bunch of hippies & set him up. Probably the same group that took Laci Peterson?

We aint casting no stones because the last time I checked, we werent into agressivness and accidental killings or assaults. :bang:

[Char]

LOL - we were asking some of yall a few questions. Seems like nobody can ask nothing from this side w/out being told we are sticking our noses where it doesnt belong.
Besides we were just F***ing around with you anyway, we know he didnt do it, and she ran out with a bunch of hippies & set him up. Probably the same group that took Laci Peterson?

We aint casting no stones because the last time I checked, we werent into agressivness and accidental killings or assaults. :bang:

FindCarrie: After reading the latest "person" to visit this website, it seems the same person and/or people are posting here, on the CTV Missing Person thread. They come and question stuff which has been proven in a court of law. No one responds the way they want so they just start bashing Carrie, her memory, her morality and anyone that disagrees with them. They have to go to alot of trouble to create email names then register at the CTV website. It just seems that the time they spend on here trashing Carrie could be spent "finding the killer" like OJ is doing. Ya think? Same chit, different day.

[findcarrie]

Oh and one last thing. Seeing that you all think I'm a witch, that would mean I dont have to stand before God with my sins. LOL

In which I'd be more worried when that day gets here because there's going to be a group of folks having to do some serious explaining. Dont worry, I'll fly by on my broom and laugh at you some more while you are standing in line trying to get him to believe it.

Folks we have more important things to do than to entertain this group.

WE LOVE YOU VINCE. YOU ARE COMING HOME SOON. :clap: LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Char]

FindCarrie:

First of all, Who is calling you a witch? Is there something I am not seeing? Second of all, why are you even bothering explaining to these people? They will NEVER get it. Period. All they can do is incite violence, intimidate potential witnesses, harrass and slander folks here and be a menace to society. Regardless if your your Baptist, Catholic, Protestant or whatever it's none of their business because once again they are chipping anywhere they think they can get you. Also, these folks actually are registering all over the net and then posting on these sites. Pathetic.

BTW.....Do you have any updates on Carrie? Are you in daily contact with Debra Culberson? If you are please tell her how we are praying for her. I for one am proud of her for standing up for Carrie's memory and her family. Thanks again.

[bobbijo69]

BTW- This is the first time that i have posted on this website, and no im not begrading Carrie or anything. I just wish people would look @ both sides of the Story. Do you live in the small town of Blanchester CC. Well let me tell you, that i do. And i see what happens daily. you say how that Debbie and her family is tormented by the Doan's, how do you know for a fact that it is them doing it. I remember hearing Debra say on the Tv that she was getting threating phone calls in regards to them digging @ the Messer site from the Doan's/Bakers, if that is true than how come there isnt court documents to state that it was them doing it?

And you are right.
WE LOVE VINCE AND HE WILL BE COMING HOME SOON:::::

Can you answer this for me? Why arent they searching messer's other property?
Why arent the cops following up on every lead or tip that they get. And they are not doing it.

[Char]

BTW-

And you are right.
WE LOVE VINCE AND HE WILL BE COMING HOME SOON:::::

Can you answer this for me? Why arent they searching messer's other property?
Why arent the cops following up on every lead or tip that they get. And they are not doing it.

I am glad to be telling you this: The only way Vincey boy is coming home is in a pine box and to be buried. It's a sad thing to say but he took a life of a woman in her prime and was found guilty in a court of law by his peers. YOU don't know what the cops are or are not doing. They don't broadcast everything they are doing to the folks that live there. Another thing, COURT documents have nothing to do with Debra Culberson getting phone calls. Duh, if you have common sense you know that you have to call the police which she has said she has done, done whatever else they have told her to do and once she has followed procedure, THEN it goes to COURT. Don't you folks research anything instead of speaking off the cuff? I guess not. YOU folks really need to get a clue and face Reality. Vince has. He is in jail and FYI, a person being represented can OVERRULE his lawyer and TESTIFY. Things which Vincey didn't do. He can't blame his lawyer, he can't blame Carrie, he can't blame anyone but himself. Seems he needs to grow up and accept responsibility for what he did. MURDERED a poor innocent woman. I am sure as hell glad that he is in jail. Makes the nice town where you live safer. The only reason that YOU nice folks haven't physically hurt Debra or her sister is because the COPS would know exactly who did it and why. YOU folks hide behind names, post stupid emails and threads. YOu folks hide behind websites instead of standing up in front of a tv station, lawyers, court and lie detectors tests actually doing something about it. YOU folks are pulling an OJ. Looking everywhere but producing nothing. But in this case the correct MAN is in jail.

[findcarrie]

I have not heard anything since last week. She knows about the people standing up for her and Carrie. I usually dont say much back but when people keep attacking her it ticks me off.

[findcarrie]

Char:

They called me a witch on the FreeVincentDoan site in the guestbook.

I'm not a witch, I'm a B***tch. Get the facts STRAIGHT.

[bobbijo69]

excuse ME .. yOU DONT EVEN KNOW ME.. so HOW CAN YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ME? I am a single mother of a very precious 4 year old. And im not afraid to let me kids go out side to play. And if you must now i am very close friends with the Bakers and Doans and i dont feel like i have to worry about much of nothing. We live a very small and quite town.
And Just so you know CC.. VINCE WILL BE COMING HOME TO US VERY SOON: :)

[Char]

excuse ME .. yOU DONT EVEN KNOW ME.. so HOW CAN YOU SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ME? I am a single mother of a very precious 4 year old. And im not afraid to let me kids go out side to play. And if you must now i am very close friends with the Bakers and Doans and i dont feel like i have to worry about much of nothing. We live a very small and quite town.
And Just so you know CC.. VINCE WILL BE COMING HOME TO US VERY SOON: :)

Lmao..I guess you would feel safe since your on "their side" and don't have to worry about being harrassed, threatened or intimidated. GIve me a break. Your so close huh?? good for you. Try talking some sense into them. Coming home soon huh?? .... I guess hell will be freezing over soon ya think?

[Char]

Char:

They called me a witch on the FreeVincentDoan site in the guestbook.

I'm not a witch, I'm a B***tch. Get the facts STRAIGHT.

Honey, I no longer read their trash let alone answer their emails to me. I have been called a biotch my whole life and especially in my military career. I served proudly and served in the Criminal Investigations Division. I for one wear that badge proudly. It looks like you do too. BTW, I am exactly who I say I am. I do not know the Doan/Baker Clan and I sure as hell do not support Vince and Tracey. I just dislike dirtbags that kill innocent girls and then whine about getting caught. Thanks.

[one loving cousin]

you people get more pathetic everytime you post something on here. why don't you stop bad mouthing everyone that is supporting Vince and just concentrate on finding your "precious Carrie". you two don't live here and you really don't know what is going on. The only things you know are what you hear from debbie Culberson and the rest of her "clan". They are only going to let you know what you need to know. Why don't you go talk to some of carries cousins? They will fill you in on how Carrie really was, but that doesnt even matter now, she is gone, and it isnt because Vincent did anything to her. You are saying that you all are helping the Culbersons, what exactly are you helping them do?
It doesnt matter how much you all hate vincent and talk trash about him thats not going to help you find Carrie, now is it? No its not, you people are so damn stubborn, I guess you are going to start saying Jarrod Messer is an angel too right???? Carrie wouldnt hang around anyone that did anything bad would she????? Oh never mind her friends testified in court that they did drugs with her, I forgot. Oh and by the way Char we dont have "a town sherrif" but I guess you would know that if you lived anywhere around here. You can bad mouth whoever you want and say what you want, I said it once before and I'll say it again, OPINIONS ARE LIKE ASSHOLES, EVERYONE HAS ONE.
No one is changing any email that is sent to Vincents websight either, we have got better things to do, like trying to find Carrie.
Why would Vincent even try to say anything to you people on this websight??? It's not like you would even hear what he was saying. You only hear what you want to, and that doesnt include the truth. Have a nice day everyone.
Why don' t you spend your time looking for Carrie instead of argiung with people?? By the way, We love you Vincent and Tracey, and we will be seeing you soon... ;)

[snorky]

This thread has degraded to the point of ineffectiveness and it is a sordid airing of personal attacks. Shameful, some of you should be embarrassed. I keep thinking it will improve. Is there a way we can communicate like reasonable adults? Isn't that how you prefer to be spoken to? I thought ideas and opinions were important but I can't get through the immaturity of many of these posts and the message is getting quite lost.

[findcarrie]

Did I read that last post correctly? You said Carrie is "dead". I thought you all said she is out there riding around somewhere?

I could give two craps about what kind of a person you thought Carrie Culberson was or IS - however you like to classify her. She didnt deserve what happened to her and if you dont like my thoughts or views, you can kiss my ass ok? I didnt create the website or anything to be sensitve to your damn thoughts, or twiches in your pants for Vincent Doan. I dont care what you think about me. It does not bother me. I lay down and sleep just fine every nite. I dont give a damn if she took drugs or had sex with 90 people, she did not deserve what happened to her and you are nothing but a loser for having the audasity to get up on a message board and say the things you have about somebody who is not able to defend themself.

ANybody else who doesnt like my views or information I have posted on that website can kiss my ass too. It dont take a rocket scientist to see what is going on here.

You can say whatever you want to about me, but the fact still remains that you are making a total ass of yourself and you have presented Vincent Doan in a ridiculous manner. I stand up up for what I believe in and your comments toward Carrie Culberson are not only stupid they are typical.

[snorky]

Did I read that last post correctly? You said Carrie is "dead". I thought you all said she is out there riding around somewhere?

I could give two craps about what kind of a person you thought Carrie Culberson was or IS - however you like to classify her. She didnt deserve what happened to her and if you dont like my thoughts or views, you can kiss my ass ok? I didnt create the website or anything to be sensitve to your damn thoughts, or twiches in your pants for Vincent Doan. I dont care what you think about me. It does not bother me. I lay down and sleep just fine every nite. I dont give a damn if she took drugs or had sex with 90 people, she did not deserve what happened to her and you are nothing but a loser for having the audasity to get up on a message board and say the things you have about somebody who is not able to defend themself.

ANybody else who doesnt like my views or information I have posted on that website can kiss my ass too. It dont take a rocket scientist to see what is going on here.

You can say whatever you want to about me, but the fact still remains that you are making a total ass of yourself and you have presented Vincent Doan in a ridiculous manner. I stand up up for what I believe in and your comments toward Carrie Culberson are not only stupid they are typical.
OK ~ Let's take a breath here. Something Carrie can't do. It does you no good to take the bait and have to "defend" what has been clear evidence. You have more support than you realize, and justice as well. More than MOST victems and their families can claim. We may not know the entire story yet, and perhaps we never will. Justice has been served to a degree in regards to protecting others from Carrie's tragic fate. May she rest in PEACE and may her family find some PEACE in knowing persons were held accountable for this deplorable act.

[blueclouds]

Well whomever the "lovin cousin" is... maybe more than lovin'... really, get a life. Your pathetic and very low to try and bash people who've lost a loved one to murder. Everything in life comes full circle and with all this energy you're putting towards hurting others will come back 100 fold. Trust me. You have a very sad sad existence. Go away. No one wants to hear this crap anymore... and sweetie... Carrie's family WILL have justice til your sweet cousin dies in prison. He AIN'T coming home..................ever. But you go ahead and believe what you want, I pity you terribly. How sad you are indeed.

[Jade]

Debbie Culberson, Carrie Culberson & Christina Culberson may be a whoremongers in the eyes of Vincent Doan's family but let's try this on for size. Vincent Doan moved another girl into his residence less than two weeks after Carrie went missing. He was having an affair with his Brother's wife, and Vince's father has a total of 62 children outside of his marriage to Betty Baker whom he's been married to for 37 years . Vincent Doan told the POLICE this when they took him into custody. Vince was one of those children Lawrence Baker had. Vince's mother Priscilla Doan WORKS for Lawrence Baker & his wife. Betty Baker allows this to happen. Not only THAT... Lawrence Baker (Vince's father) has a child with Priscilla Doan's daugther Katrina.


Am I the only one shocked by all this?
Is this normal in that area?
And what about more people not taking action when it was obvious that Carrie was being abused?

I looked at the VD site and that picture of him standing
is just plain icky.

Please notice that this site is for sleuthing. We are interested
in debating the information in a somewhat rational manner.

[budda-fly]

Am I the only one shocked by all this?
Is this normal in that area?


;) Please don't believe that everyone from this area ... (Blanchester, Wilmington, Clinton County in general) are all "inbred". I know that it would seem so, with Lawrence Baker being "Daddy" to half the population of Blanchester, but some of us are very happy to share no blood ties with "Southern Ohio's Very Own Manson Family" ...

I'm embarassed by the way that some of the people posting on here, proudly stating that they are from Blanchester, have led others to believe that we are all illiterate, inbred, "cousin-boinking" hill-jacks.

Cuz, you know the saying, "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, then it's a duck" ... well, if Vincey looks like a murderer, acts like a murderer, wears blood like a murderer, and is convicted as a murderer, honey, he's a murderer. :bang:

That's all I've got to say about that ... (For now ...)

[nanandjim]

Am I the only one shocked by all this?
...Please notice that this site is for sleuthing. We are interested
in debating the information in a somewhat rational manner.
I agree. I am thinking about alerting admin about many of these unreasonable posts and posters. Some of you posters may want to revisit your posts and clean up the disparaging remarks and personal attacks. You can be banned from this site for things like this.

[findcarrie]

Do you all see whats hapepning? Folks are not allowed to come post information about Carrie Culberson. It has become a harassment society, just like what the family has to endure on a daily basis. Nobody cant stand up toe to toe with anybody, they gotta do stupid stuff like this or do stuff under the table to anybody working to help find Carrie.

The harassment doesnt stop there. It comes over onto me, and every part of my personal life. That's ok though, because I dont have hide behind anything and I wont run and hide from the lame comments about who and what I stand for.

I'm sick of these people and what they continue to do. I guess I'm just grateful that the online community is seeing first hand what is going on and how this all works. It's always something under the table. It's never something where you show your face up there in that town for the actions you are doing, or typing some lame comment about one of us on a message board, but somehow nobody can find out just who is saying it, although there are those of us who know exactly who you are.

[Char]

:bang: I was just over looking at the convicted murderer's website and they actually had one poster slandering Debbie and making accusations about the money that was collected for Carrie and asking what Debbie "did" with it and "what happened" to the reward money. All sorts of stuff about how her mom worked at some bar/restaurant and how she served drinks and supposedly ALL the law enforcement in the surrounding area (judges, police, attornies (sp) went there and no wonder the convicted murderer couldn't get a fair trial. These enablers will never stop until Vincent Doan admits what he did and accepts his responsibility, and then HE can tell them to move on.

[findcarrie]

The money that was given for the reward fund is now in posession by the Clinton County Prosecutor's office. They have it and Debbie Culberson cant give it to anybody or use it for herself.
You can call them to inquire about it.

[findcarrie]

Debbie Culberson does not work at a bar.
She worked at a bar as a bartender a long time ago, at night to help take care of the two girls. She was a single mother.
She owns & operates an antique shop now which is downstairs from Carrie's sister's hair salon.

That statement is untrue.

[Jade]

What a horror this all is.

God bless the Culberson family and all the members of the community
who have had their world debased by VD.

[snorky]

Find Carrie ~ I am glad that you are getting an opportunity to clear up some of these misleading statements. It really is important to us, and I love when you stomp out the lies. Thanks, you make a difference!:)

[one loving cousin]

Excuse me, but I believe that Debbie Culberson is the one that said Carrie is "dead".
Char and Find Carrie, whoever you are, I don't really care, you arent helping anyone accomlpish anything. If you people really were interested in finding Carrie you would have been looking at all of the tips that the police have recieved not just some of them. You are hurting Carrie more than you are helping her. You are too busy bodied people and obviously you have nothing better to do than get into other peoples business and start more ****. You don't even know what you are talking about, Debbie Culberson did work in a bar and it wasn't a long time ago. She worked at Samuel Walkers in Wilmington, until she got her money that is.
For your information, since you are such good friends with her and all, you should know this, Debbies antique store, which she bought after she got her money, is UPSTAIRS from Christinas hair salon, which she also boght after she got her money. I suggest next time you check in with your good buddy before you start passing out the wrong information again.
Im glad that you two keep looking at Vincents websight that way you will be sure to know when we find Carrie because you definately arent doing anything to help. We love you Vincent and Tracey!!!!!!! :D

[one loving cousin]

What a horror this all is.

God bless the Culbertson family and all the members of the community
who have had their world debased by VD.


Jade
Carries last name is Culberson, not Culbertson :doh:

[Jade]

Jade
Carries last name is Culberson, not Culbertson :doh:

Thank you for the correction – that was a typo on my part.
I have fixed it on my post.

[Char]

Excuse me, but I believe that Debbie Culberson is the one that said Carrie is "dead". Char and Find Carrie, whoever you are, I don't really care, you arent helping anyone accomlpish anything. If you people really were interested in finding Carrie you would have been looking at all of the tips that the police have recieved not just some of them. For your information, since you are such good friends with her and all, you should know this, Debbies antique store, which she bought after she got her money, is UPSTAIRS from Christinas hair salon, which she also boght after she got her money. I suggest next time you check in with your good buddy before you start passing out the wrong information again.
Im glad that you two keep looking at Vincents websight that way you will be sure to know when we find Carrie because you definately arent doing anything to help. We love you Vincent and Tracey!!!!!!! :D

:behindbar Your boy is in JAIL and will be for life. Now that is something we can chat about if you like. Secondly, your spelling is off, the word boght should be bought. YOU sound a little flustered, get the spelling correct before you criticize others. Honey..I for one bypass the web site and go directly to the message board. I have forwarded the link to the police detective handling the case so they can see themselves the slanderous comments you have made about Debbie and FindCarrie. No need to change the words that you shall have for them because they have the originals from your stupid site. Yeah you love Vincent and Tracey on visiting days don't you? How often do you visit your jailbirds? Often I hope to keep him appraised of the fact that soooo many folks are glad that he is in jail. PS..tell him how you were booed of the CTV Missing Person's thread because no one wanted to support your dirtbag relatives that murdered and buried an innocent girl. Now that's a class act isn't it? Gotta love watching the clan from Blanchester do their deeds on this and other sites huh? Keep up the good work spreading the gospel..btw..I shall say a prayer that your Vincent and Tracey repent while they are in prison. Ta Ta!! Gotta love Carrie, Debra and Christian Culberson. A rose for them for being Angels!!

[Char]

one loving cousin: As for Char, welll she is still trying to convince the world she is a sweet person who is concerned for Carrie, and Rachel changed her emails, YEAH RIGHT, GIMME A BREAK PEOPLE. :clap:

:dance: now this is funny..one person is is emailing me and saying I have changed my email address on the other website? Folks you are pretty childish if you think you or your troll network have any bearing on my day or my life. You only know what Vincent wants you to know. Period. My email has always been the same and your Racheltroll has the address..which no one has responded too. Why you ask? Because they are chicken, that's why. THe email you are responding too folks goes directly to the PD. Have a great day folks!! BTW, did you visit your Vincent in jail today? If the answer is YES, think of Carrie's mother Debra Culberson not BEING able to visit her daughter at a grave or anywhere. Now that is sad isn't it? An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. Too bad that doesn't apply here in Vincey's case. HE is lucky he wasn't convicted in Texas.

[findcarrie]

Yes that is correct. The antique shop is upstairs from the salon. She can spend the settlement money however she feels. THat is a small price to pay for taking her daughter who they've never found. Betcha next time the town will think twice before botching an investigation. It was never about the money, it was about showing the community that this was wrong and to prevent it from happening again to somebody else's kid.

She still lives in the same house and doesnt drive all these fancy vehicles you all seem to tell people about. She owns a black camaro IROC and a Jeep Cherokee. Hardly a Porche or Ferrari.
Of course those could be set on fire at any given date like the Whitten's cars.

[Char]

:mad: FindCarrie: Has the Doan/Baker Clan made any direct threats directly to Debra? If so has she retained some kind of security to protect herself and her home? I wouldn't put anything past that clan hiding behind false nics and making threatening phone calls too her. Figures huh ... seems like the family of the school year bully doesn't like that they put her bullyabuserkillerconvictedmurderer away for life. Too fricken bad.

BTW, Debra can do whatever she chooses with the money from the County. The Doan'Baker clan are just jealous that they don't have to have it and get milk the county for their false accusations. Sad isn't it?

Keep up the good work Jill. God and Debra appreciate it.

Vincent and Tracey: Good Luck in Jail and hope you enjoy your long stay. Do you have enough soap and supplies to tide you over? Hope so. Say good night to Bubba for me!!

[findcarrie]

I was quoted on Vincent Doan's site for being a person who is unable to keep my nose out of everybody's business. Well, that's pretty much true as far as Carrie Culberson goes. I pride myself in going where people wish I wouldnt. I also work on missing person cases so I have the right to talk to other missing person advocates and I do as often as I can. That's hilarious. Is that all you have to come at me with?


How many people are working to help your establishment?

[Jade]

[QUOTE=bobbijo69]MY answers:
......it really has nothing to do with this case other than to satisfy your own curiosity.
QUOTE]

On this site we are very curious about everything. If you expect people to entertain your side of the story well...only the curious will listen.

One loving cousin – I hear your pain. You did say some supportive things about losing a child. I agree with you that no stone should go unturned.
Instead of addressing Carrie’s group then how about telling those of us that are impartial what the debated details are? A jury sent VD to jail for a very long time – did you ever have any doubts?

Although this thread is dedicated to Carrie it is not her personal site and all reasonable discussion should be entertained.

No fair everyone trying to guess who is who! We are here to debate and no one is going to come forward with information if they are scared away with behind the scenes guessing games.

It is well established that the two sides are not fond of each other. With that behind us is there anything to discuss?

[coopkid]

:laugh: Char...your posts crack me up. You are too funny!

FindCarrie: Are you an investigator (professionally), or did you also have a family member end up missing (if you don't mind my asking)? I'm just curious....I noticed that you are in Georgia but have been actively involved in this case and others.....
I live in the Blanchester area but dont know either family (I've only been here a few years). The place where they have been digging is just a few miles from my house. I also grew up in a small southern ohio town where things like this just dont happen.....I guess that's why I'm so interested in this case....Also, while I didn't know Carrie, she was a "friend of a friend"....I remember hearing about her disappearance back when it happened. I have shopped at Debra Culberson's antique store (love it) a couple of times, but I didn't know that that was her....it is upstairs from a hair salon.

[findcarrie]

I am not related to Carrie Culberson nor have I had a friend or family member go missing. If you are familiar with Dennis Mahon and his work for the Modaferri and Kristin Smart family, well that is what I basically do for the Culberson family. I feel very strongly about what I do and I was not hired by anybody for my services, despite what rumors may be floating about that.

I dont take offense to people who have stated that I'm a nosey B#@*h who cant stay out of people's business. I take that as a compliment, because the LAST thing that I EVER want to happen is for anybody to forget about Carrie.

[Blown Away]

Jade,

At the risk of being "slapped down", I would like to reply to your post. I live in Blanchester and am familiar with both families and although I am a huge fan of Debbie and the total heart she has, I have lived here long enough to wonder about some of the investigation that has surrounded this case. We all know that the initial investigation was totally bungled by our local police chief and he plea bargained his way out of having to answer questions about his behavior or his departments action or lack there of, but what this has done is create an atmosphere where people are just not certain what happened or if Debbie will ever be able to put Carrie to rest and thus find closure not just for herself but for all of us who have witnessed the unrest in our town. Although I do not agree with the methods that Vince's supporters have used to try to make their "point", I do have to respect that they feel he has also been victimized (and no I do not want to have Carrie's supporters "chasing me off" simply because I can set my personal feelings aside and see why they feel they have reason to question and doubt the validity of Vince's incarceration). I have read both sites (Carrie's and Vince's) and followed the posts on both this site and CTV's and I really feel that both sides have been a little crass in trying to make their case. The goal here shouldn't be to belittle the other's points of view or point fingers and name call and slander either family, the goal should be to find Carrie and help both families realize the truth and find closure. I know the very obstinate and opinionated posters can't see the good in doing just that, but having lived in Blanchester and watching what happened before and after Carrie's disappearance I think that there are avenues to closure that haven't yet been explored or discovered and if there are other possibilities it is worth exploring so that Debbie and Christina have someplace to feel Carrie's presence. The truth will out in the end, but we have to find ways to help it and bashing heads obviously isn't getting it done. I haven't noticed any real "sleuthing" going on here!

[Char]

:banghead: If Vincent was "told" by his attorney and daddy not to testify or take a lie detector test or even sodiaum amytal (I don't care if they are admissable in court or not) why hasn't he offered to take one now voluntarily? There is no reason nor excuse for him not to. Have him offer through the prison where he is located and for his latest attorney to get one for him with a neutral person asking the questions. That may be a step toward finding out what REALLY happened to Carrie. He still isn't cooperating with anyone that really matters in this case. I for one don't care what he has told his family. Family will believe anything they are told, I am talking about ONE neutral party that the Doan/Baker Clan can't intimidate or harrass or even speak with. Then only then will I even consider looking somewhere else. PS..He would have to be totally truthful even if it implicated ANYONE in his family. He needs to do the ultimate if he is totally innocent. Seems he isn't really doing anything except taking up space in prison.

Thank you. God Bless Carrie, Debra and Christina Culberson. May they find peace soon.

[coopkid]

Jade.......
I am interested in debating it. I posted some questions earlier in this thread but so far haven't really heard anyone else's thoughts on these points:


1. Doan's supporters are now pointing to Messer, suggesting he acted without Doan. A lot of folks have claimed (on Vincent Doan's website) that Carrie overdosed at Messer's house, and "they" got scared and buried her. Who are "they"? Did "they" not realize that far more trouble would come upon them for gross abuse of a corpse, obstruction of justice, etc.,etc., than for getting high at a party? Any drugs or illegal paraphernalia could easily have been gotten rid of before calling the police/ambulance. Easier than getting rid of a body. Oh, sorry....A body AND a car. Right. People O.D. all the time, but that doesn't mean that everyone in the immediate vicinity is automatically sent up for murder. So I don't buy this "they got scared" theory.....obviously, there is more to this story than any accidental overdose. Also, how were "they" so sure she was dead and not passed out? Were they medics? Did they try to revive her (while NOT calling 911)? If someone accidentally overdosed at your house, would you bury them in your backyard? And expect not to be found out? This is a ridiculous theory.

2. Who built the barn? Actually constructed it? Was it built after her disappearance, or was it just the lean-to that was built after her disappearance? I am confused about this....

3. So now the folks on Doan's site are posting that of course Carrie was at Messer's....this is where she went to pick up her drugs. This conflicts with the previous claim that "Vincent and his father went to look for her at Christopher's bar in Hillsboro, because this is where Carrie got her drugs".......Messer's barn is a long way from Christopher's bar in Hillsboro.

4. Purely speculation here......but, I have been around the old block a few times, so to speak. If anyone had a drug habit here, it wasn't the Culberson girl. She:
- was gainfully employed.
- was apparently attending a community college (I know a professor at Clermont who mentioned that Carrie was in her class, so I know this is true).
- (judging by her pictures) always looked healthy, neat, CLEAN, and well-put together.
- was involved in sports (played on a volleyball team). As a general rule, people who are heavily into the drug scene do not get involved in sports. Trust me on this; I've been there and I know.
- had goals in life.

5. A 22 year old girl whose family, job, friends, & boyfriend are all in the immediate area, where she has lived all her life, does not just take off and move to another state over her lunch hour, never to be seen or heard from again. Also, how would she have supported herself without being able to use her car (which eventually would have been seen) and without any money? (The court transcript says that her bank account remained untouched). This theory is even more ridiculous than the overdose theory.

6. What does Mr. Doan have to say about the recent events? People in prison still have internet access. Why doesn't he post on his website?

Also, assuming that Doan is guilty, how/why is Messer involved? Some say that he is a known dealer. He does appear to have a string of arrests....Were Doan and Messer involved in a ring (drug ring, stolen property, etc.), and possibly together (Carrie there as well) that night? Maybe there was an accident (car accident?) and these guys didn't want to let anyone know because of warrants, what they might have had with them, etc........who knows. There are plenty of back country roads around here where something could happen without attracting a lot of immediate attention (especially late at night)... If Doan had the temper/violent tendencies that he appears to have had, I have no trouble believing that he killed her (without meaning to)....But I do have some trouble with the claim that he cut her up.....I would think that he would be way too emotionally distraught to carry out something that cold & calculating. Of course, there is the possibility that he allowed his brother & the Messer guy to dispose of her body while he got rid of the car.....I read somewhere that he borrowed his dad's tow truck that night? From the timeline of events, it doesn't seem that Vincent and Tracy were gone from Tracy's house for a real long time.....so whatever they did, they would had to have done it pretty quickly (and obviously thoroughly)....so I think it is reasonable to theorize that Messer might have helped them. The strange part is WHY....I read that they were acquaintances....maybe they were actually close friends, maybe not. Maybe Messer owed Doan a favor.
At present, this part of the state is saturated with methamphetamine and makeshift labs. I don't know if it was in 1996. I don't know if that is even relevant, but it seems to play a role in many criminal cases in this area.

Any thoughts?

[findcarrie]

Court TV's the System will be airing the episode this coming Tuesday, June 15, 2004 at 8 p.m. about Carrie Culberson and her disappearance. The title of the show is "missing"
Please check your local tv listing to make sure you dont miss it in your particular time zone.

FindCarrie
www.findcarrieculberson.com

[Jade]

The reported blood just seems to rule out an accidental overdose. It doesn’t make sense to do any butchering when they could have driven her car to a neutral location posed her body then if they were really human call in a tip from a pay phone about someone passed out in a car? If the perpetrators were doing meth that would explain somewhat.

It still bothers me that Carrie seemed almost resigned to her fate. Many women are killed after filing charges they are most vulnerable during the time they are trying to breakup.
http://www.cincypost.com/news/1997/doan110697.html (www.cincypost.com/news/1997/doan110697.html) “Throughout the trial, prosecutors argued that Doan abused his former girlfriend for nearly two years before finally killing her on Aug. 29, 1996. Doan has said he never harmed Ms. Culberson and claims she still is alive.”….. ''I admit that I'm an innocent person,'' he said. ''That's all I admit.'' On what does he base this claim? Sorry sightings by strangers are just too flimsy.
http://www.courttv.com/archive/casefiles/verdicts/doan.html Tracey, a truck driver, was on the road trip when he was indicted but was arrested in Kentucky. Hmm there would be plenty of places to dissipate the corpse on the road. What kind of person would have the stomach or will to do so?
“Doan disputed that testimony Tuesday when he addressed the jury for the first time in a brief, unsworn statement. He told jurors he loves Ms. Culberson and believes she is still alive. ''I'm still not going to give up faith in her,'' Doan said. ''It hurts me to see that her friends and family would give up on her so easily.'” I thought he didn’t love her anymore……..
[URL=http://www.courttv.com/archive/casefiles/verdicts/doan.html (http://www.cincypost.com/news/1997/doan110597.html [/URL) When the mother confronted Doan a third time the day after Carrie's disappearance, he told her that Carrie drove by his home at 12:30 a.m and that they had argued. Doan claimed that Carrie drove away after he told her that he did not love her anymore.

Quote 3. So now the folks on Doan's site are posting that of course Carrie was at Messer's....this is where she went to pick up her drugs. This conflicts with the previous claim that "Vincent and his father went to look for her at Christopher's bar in Hillsboro, because this is where Carrie got her drugs".......Messer's barn is a long way from Christopher's bar in Hillsboro.

Ah ha! A timeline blunder!
Carrie’s site would not let me copy and paste but he clocked out of work the next morning and did not return but then called the salon saying he was on his lunch hour.

Work will be in the way of posting for several days but I wanted to throw this stuff on the table.
IMO

[Jade]

[QUOTE=findcarrie]Court TV's the System will be airing the episode this coming Tuesday, June 15, 2004 at 8 p.m. about Carrie Culberson and her disappearance. The title of the show is "missing"
Please check your local tv listing to make sure you dont miss it in your particular time zone.

Sorry to double dip but you posted while I was struggling with the links.
Some of us do not have cable. Could you fill us in on what you think or let us know if it is worth seeking the transcripts?

[snorky]

[QUOTE=findcarrie]Some of us do not have cable. Could you fill us in on what you think or let us know if it is worth seeking the transcripts?
I don't have CTV so I rely on this site for information. Hope that someone puts in a summary or transcripts.....