Malaysia airlines plane may have crashed 239 people on board #13

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Grieving Families Booted From Hotel for Formula One Grand Prix

Anxious relatives of passengers on board missing Malaysia Airlines Fight 370 were forced to move out of their hotel Friday to make way for Formula One bookings tied to the upcoming Grand Prix.

Tens of thousands of drivers, promoters and fans are expected in the capital Kuala Lumpur over the coming days as it gears up for the race on March 30...

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/mi...es-booted-hotel-formula-one-grand-prix-n58586
 
According to what I read on Tomnod; which I'm pretty sure I posted 2 threads back; they turned them in Sunday. Sounds like their images being turned in got Australia to look at their own; otherwise it would have happened sooner IMO if it was the other way around.

IIRC, one article said Australia had satellite images last Wednesday. Then it took about 4 days for Malaysia to review them.

I'll try to find some links.
 
During the press conference, I remember the guy said they first discovered the objects from satelite images. THEN they asked commercial satellites and other satellites for more images. I think THIS is where the Digital globe company comes in.

I am not sure on this, but that is what I remember from the presser.

I don't think they want to admit where exactly the original images came from due to security concerns.

JMO.

Here's another story:

After the discovery of the objects ... Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott called the prime minister of Malaysia to tell him about the photos.

The announcement at a news conference did not say which satellites took the pictures, but DigitalGlobe issued a statement saying that they had provided the images.

"We can confirm that DigitalGlobe has provided imagery to search officials in Australia, and we have been informed by an Australian government official that it was our imagery Prime Minister Abbott referred to in his recent comments," a spokesman for the company said.

"The satellite images were captured on March 16 by our WorldView-2 satellite at a resolution of approximately 50 cm. Working with our customers, DigitalGlobe continues to task our satellites to collect imagery of a wide area that includes the waters around where the possible debris was identified yesterday," the company said in a statement. "No conclusions have been reached about the origins of the debris or objects shown in the imagery, and we are not aware that any subsequent search missions have been able to locate it."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/colorados-...ts-malaysia-airlines-search/story?id=22988405
 
Tomnod has the area being searched up now.

I am searching here: http://www.tomnod.com/nod/challenge/mh370_indian_ocean/map/140634

This shows where I am searching:

http://www.tomnodmaplocator.com/

just put in map number 140634 and it shows the area near where the present search efforts are ongoing.

This is digital globe's map's like the two being shown as "possible evidence". Now we can help search for evidence.

Thank you; I added this to the media link post along with the database link.
 
Ok... that was a long 24hrs! (I was in the naughty corner for being a little cheeky last night in thread :(...)

In celebration of my release from websleuths jail, I have another "option" that I would like to add to the "opinion polls"...

Not at all my personal belief and just another interesting spin on it...

The aircraft suffered a catastrophic event which resulted in crew incapacity either over time or rapidly. Attempted a diversion to alternate and succumbed (for reasons yet unknown and hard to explain) before a safe recovery of the aircraft was completed - Malaysia was aware of the emergency event on board and sent up a fast jet escort to make a visual assessment of the aircraft and attempt to communicate with passengers or crew. This was *before* the aircraft made a change of course on a heading that tracked toward an approach that was familiar to the pilot in command (which he may have trained on his home simulator for just such emergency's) and the intercept heading for the fast jet was quickly changed - the pilot throwing the Su-30 into full military power with augment as he turned the jet around (which was what the NZ oil rig worker may have seen... possibly)... upon form up with the Malaysian Airlines 777, the lack of radio communication and a distinct lack of life via either visual signal or otherwise indicated to the SU-30 crew that there was no conscious or able person on board the stricken jet who would likely recover (maybe they knew a little of what had happened and realized it was a rapid and major loss of life event on board) - so they were instructed to maintain escort with the plane until it flew over the Malaysian Peninsula and out to sea, where it would no longer pose a threat to any lives on the ground.

Instructions would have been to shoot the 777 down should it change course without communication toward a populated area or should it begin to descend out of control toward populated space.

The jet flew past the alternate airport and its required entry's to a successful approach - and continued out to sea (as was seen by Malaysian Lilitary radar who were already well aware of the ghost planes tragic story) - where the chaos and disbelief of what had occurred quickly resulted in a total $shitstorm of incompetence and disorganisation by a shambles government that was simply not capable of dealing with the complex and high profile event, which might have been a real 1 in a million that no one could ever have otherwise forseen as realistically occuring.

They then proceeded to bury their heads in the sand and hope it all went away.

The End.

No fact or inside info in this - just me typing up an enthusiastic return to the forums.
 
According to what I read on Tomnod; which I'm pretty sure I posted 2 threads back; they turned them in Sunday. Sounds like their images being turned in got Australia to look at their own; otherwise it would have happened sooner IMO if it was the other way around.

The company said it took four days to comb through all the data before information could be released by the Australians. *DigitalGlobe said its five satellites capture more than 1.1 million square miles of Earth images every day, too much material to review in real time without clues of where to look.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...b8d138-afec-11e3-95e8-39bef8e9a48b_story.html
 
Here's another story:

After the discovery of the objects ... Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott called the prime minister of Malaysia to tell him about the photos.

The announcement at a news conference did not say which satellites took the pictures, but DigitalGlobe issued a statement saying that they had provided the images.

"We can confirm that DigitalGlobe has provided imagery to search officials in Australia, and we have been informed by an Australian government official that it was our imagery Prime Minister Abbott referred to in his recent comments," a spokesman for the company said.

"The satellite images were captured on March 16 by our WorldView-2 satellite at a resolution of approximately 50 cm. Working with our customers, DigitalGlobe continues to task our satellites to collect imagery of a wide area that includes the waters around where the possible debris was identified yesterday," the company said in a statement. "No conclusions have been reached about the origins of the debris or objects shown in the imagery, and we are not aware that any subsequent search missions have been able to locate it."

http://abcnews.go.com/US/colorados-...ts-malaysia-airlines-search/story?id=22988405

IDK, as with everything in this, nothing is clear.
 
Not at all my personal belief and just another interesting spin on it...

Didn't you post this already in another thread in this forum?
[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10362873&postcount=121"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - What do you think happened to Malaysia Flight370?[/ame]
 
Shew, thought you'd never make it back Derryn. Welcome back!!!

Can you tell us if the shadowing the news is telling the nations is possible or is that too tricky with 777 at night?
 
Makes sense . CNN expert just said that when someone deletes files, they can be found if they have not written been written over by new data.

So I suppose, if I wanted to really get rid of something I would erase it early to make I have penty of time to cover up all the data that I do not want to be found.

And to make sure I suppose I would do it so that I had lots of stuff to put over it to make certain that I prohibited discovery down the road .
 
Ok... that was a long 24hrs! (I was in the naughty corner for being a little cheeky last night in thread :(...)

In celebration of my release from websleuths jail, I have another "option" that I would like to add to the "opinion polls"...

Not at all my personal belief and just another interesting spin on it...

The aircraft suffered a catastrophic event which resulted in crew incapacity either over time or rapidly. Attempted a diversion to alternate and succumbed (for reasons yet unknown and hard to explain) before a safe recovery of the aircraft was completed - Malaysia was aware of the emergency event on board and sent up a fast jet escort to make a visual assessment of the aircraft and attempt to communicate with passengers or crew. This was *before* the aircraft made a change of course on a heading that tracked toward an approach that was familiar to the pilot in command (which he may have trained on his home simulator for just such emergency's) and the intercept heading for the fast jet was quickly changed - the pilot throwing the Su-30 into full military power with augment as he turned the jet around (which was what the NZ oil rig worker may have seen... possibly)... upon form up with the Malaysian Airlines 777, the lack of radio communication and a distinct lack of life via either visual signal or otherwise indicated to the SU-30 crew that there was no conscious or able person on board the stricken jet who would likely recover (maybe they knew a little of what had happened and realized it was a rapid and major loss of life event on board) - so they were instructed to maintain escort with the plane until it flew over the Malaysian Peninsula and out to sea, where it would no longer pose a threat to any lives on the ground.

Instructions would have been to shoot the 777 down should it change course without communication toward a populated area or should it begin to descend out of control toward populated space.

The jet flew past the alternate airport and its required entry's to a successful approach - and continued out to sea (as was seen by Malaysian Lilitary radar who were already well aware of the ghost planes tragic story) - where the chaos and disbelief of what had occurred quickly resulted in a total $shitstorm of incompetence and disorganisation by a shambles government that was simply not capable of dealing with the complex and high profile event, which might have been a real 1 in a million that no one could ever have otherwise forseen as realistically occuring.

They then proceeded to bury their heads in the sand and hope it all went away.

The End.

No fact or inside info in this - just me typing up an enthusiastic return to the forums.

bbm

:behindbar:notgood::jail::tantrum::angel:
 
And, possibly the dumbest question of all time.

Is it possible, say a soda or water bottle, could spill on the controls, or even accidentally get swatted and hit a control knob or something, and cause loss of control?

ETA: Hope you kept a long list of questions handy to answer rapid fire, or are ready for them to come along! :floorlaugh:
 
Ok... that was a long 24hrs! (I was in the naughty corner for being a little cheeky last night in thread :(...)

In celebration of my release from websleuths jail, I have another "option" that I would like to add to the "opinion polls"...

Not at all my personal belief and just another interesting spin on it...

The aircraft suffered a catastrophic event which resulted in crew incapacity either over time or rapidly. Attempted a diversion to alternate and succumbed (for reasons yet unknown and hard to explain) before a safe recovery of the aircraft was completed - Malaysia was aware of the emergency event on board and sent up a fast jet escort to make a visual assessment of the aircraft and attempt to communicate with passengers or crew. This was *before* the aircraft made a change of course on a heading that tracked toward an approach that was familiar to the pilot in command (which he may have trained on his home simulator for just such emergency's) and the intercept heading for the fast jet was quickly changed - the pilot throwing the Su-30 into full military power with augment as he turned the jet around (which was what the NZ oil rig worker may have seen... possibly)... upon form up with the Malaysian Airlines 777, the lack of radio communication and a distinct lack of life via either visual signal or otherwise indicated to the SU-30 crew that there was no conscious or able person on board the stricken jet who would likely recover (maybe they knew a little of what had happened and realized it was a rapid and major loss of life event on board) - so they were instructed to maintain escort with the plane until it flew over the Malaysian Peninsula and out to sea, where it would no longer pose a threat to any lives on the ground.

Instructions would have been to shoot the 777 down should it change course without communication toward a populated area or should it begin to descend out of control toward populated space.

The jet flew past the alternate airport and its required entry's to a successful approach - and continued out to sea (as was seen by Malaysian Lilitary radar who were already well aware of the ghost planes tragic story) - where the chaos and disbelief of what had occurred quickly resulted in a total $shitstorm of incompetence and disorganisation by a shambles government that was simply not capable of dealing with the complex and high profile event, which might have been a real 1 in a million that no one could ever have otherwise forseen as realistically occuring.

They then proceeded to bury their heads in the sand and hope it all went away.

The End.

No fact or inside info in this - just me typing up an enthusiastic return to the forums.


I've missed you:) glad to see you have returned from band camp, did you bring me a t-shirt?


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IIRC, one article said Australia had satellite images last Wednesday. Then it took about 4 days for Malaysia to review them.

I'll try to find some links.

My recollection was that he said Australian authorities "had received" satellite images.... . And they then had those interpreted by the Australian Geo-spacial intellegence organization. And that other commercial satellites were being redirected to search that area. I believe that the lack of clarity on the photos indicates that they are commercial satellite photos, not military/intelligence satellites. I don't think they have photos from any such super high resolution cameras.
 
Ok can someone please make this clear re: searches for objects near Australia.

So what happened is, they had images, but those images were from many days (like a week?) ago.

So what they did was send the search planes in the general area of the objects, is that correct?

And so far the search planes have not seen anything in the water.

What about the buoys? What was that for?

TIA.
 
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The Telegraph is reporting that it has obtained a transcript of the last 54 minutes of communication between Flight MH370 and ground control. It reports:

The first was a message delivered by the cockpit at 1.07am, saying that the plane was flying at a cruising altitude of 35,000 feet. This message was unnecessary as it repeated a call that had already been delivered six minutes earlier.

Although it does then quote a former British Airways pilot saying that the repeated message was not in itself suspicious.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/21/mh370-search-for-missing-plane-resumes-at-daybreak-live

Wonder if this is normal and if news just says it is not.

Also, wonder if it could be the younger pilot was doing a second call in as part of participating/training, or was he already fully vetted?
 
Exactly. I don't think anyone is trying to rehash the arcs. We're just wondering why they haven't shown us the previous pings and why. The previous pings would help determine if the plane was going in a straight line or zig zagging around more. It wouldn't be exact, but it would be helpful. I'm quite certain this information exists and I find it suspicious that they won't show us. I think they have a much better idea of what happened then they are telling us.
Reports are telling us that the plane flew steadily away after its final turn. I think we can assume where the pings hit since the southern flight path leads straight to the debris sighting. See hourly pings plotted in graphic below.

Searches on land near China in case the plane went north, which is merely a mirror of the southern route. Bloomberg.com
 

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What about the buoys? What was that for?

TIA.

BUOYS WITH GPS:

The New Zealand Orion plane dropped two buoys Thursday that will help searchers figure out where any debris might drift. Searchers were also planning to drop more buoys from a C-130 Hercules military transport plane.

The buoys resemble a poster tube, each about 1 meter long, with an antenna that transmits a GPS signal that can be tracked by searchers. The idea is that the buoys drift in a manner similar to any debris, giving searchers clues as to where debris might move over time. The system isn't perfect - the wind can move the buoys at a different rate than larger objects - but is designed to factor in some of those variables.

Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/Binoculars-t...7/articleID/336903/Default.aspx#ixzz2wcVx7fDC
 
Welcome back Derryn. Dont feel bad as it just means that instead of posting on "auto-pilot" with no real value, you were "actively engaging the controls" and providing us a good transmission of data. :)
 
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