Bosma Murder Trial - Weekend Discussion #15

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Thank you, Claroon. I agree with the additional points in your post as well. I figured it's slow here tonight so was hoping my mega-post would be ok.

All MOO.
Hope someone publishes your piece. It is so good.

Yes, the excitement was "building" as demonstrated by their texts. One of them was "itching" for a mission. They egged each other on unlike AM who told him to f-off. DM sensed others may not join his party when he said maybe they weren't cut out for "scary missions." He new this mission was to be scary. For him, the scarier the better because he needed a bigger thrill. He loved the sexual tension the thrill brought and had plenty of resources for that release. The pressure was on financially. He was putting all the pieces together in sequence--buying the incinerator, buying the gun, practicing with an easy target LB and knocking his father out of the way. The planning for the hideous crime may have started in 2011 when he bought the farm--a far out place for nefarious activity (also in May).
 
-When you say you believe the MS story, do you put all the previous trial evidence out of your mind?

Not at all, I just think the vehicle swap, bobcat stop and shooting is much more plausible in MS story than DMs.

-For example, do you forget or dismiss Marlena's testimony about the celebratory mood in the car?

This can be explained by being in 'jockular bro mode' as to not give away the feeling of being creeped out by lunatic DM. If DM was really really wanting the truck which seems to be the case he was likely very happy and over compensating that a nasty crime had occurred to avoid raising MM suspicions.

-Do you ignore or minimize the sausage frying and fireside furniture texts sent by MS?

This is just weird, I cannot explain this one and hope the crown challenges him on it.

-Do you dismiss AM's story about how Mark told him to get the thing from Hagerman?

There is indeed something missing here (communication wise), but he may have been made aware of the 'toolbox' and he knows what was usually in it, the hard core drugs, and he likely wanted that too. Even if he knew it was the gun, don't forget he would want to protect DM at this point so that DM's downfall did not point to him.

-Do you ignore what MS's mother told police about how when Millard was arrested, Smich was concerned he would never get his car?

This is no big deal at all...he likely told his mom some day he would be working toward getting the car. When DM is arrested that becomes very unlikely his DM bait dream comes to fruition like all of the other DM promises.

-Do you forget Daly's testimony about how MS was just fine that week until DM was arrested and his mood changed?

Of course his mood is going to change, he is now one step away from LE paying him a visit, the paranoia must have sky rocketed at this point. Lets not forget his drug use paranoia goes hand in hand. MS is someone that would NEVER want to go to the police as he has alot of his own illegal stuff going on. Its why he would never dial 911.

-Do you ignore the fact that MS has no explanation for his disappeared SIM cards?

This is ridiculous as well, he likely smashed it, or burned it or better yet buried it with gun!!!! Regardless, its gone, needed? not likely...

-Do you think his total gun amnesia story is realistic?

I am very sure this has to do with fear of MWJ and friends...it is a piece of major evidence in that trial, its been returned to him or made to disappear so it cant be found for that trial. While I believe part of MS's story it totally comes off the rails with the gun amnesia.

-Do you take into account that this is about the only story he can tell to have any hope at all of getting off?

Coincidence in my mind as it also seems to be the MOST plausible, at least how things played out. If the times on the Super Sucker video could take the phone time and SB's time comment into account then I could more likely believe all 3 were in the truck when the shooting took place. Aside from some innuendo, I do NOT feel that all parties knew a murder was going to take place, ONLY DM fits that bill IMO

Does MS's testimony trump everything for you? And if so, how is that not an "emotional decision"?

-I am not being emotional at all, far from it, I don't feel I have heard enough info to say I could convict MS on 1st degree. I have DOUBT and to me its reasonable DOUBT. Sorry the evidence I have seen is lacking for me and some of the jurors likely feel the same. So lets hope the crown can change that opinion in the coming days to convince those of us that are not 100% on the 1st for DM AND MS bandwagon. Sorry not there yet. I WAS early in the trial, but am no longer. I am 100% DM 1st degree, but more like 2nd for MS at this point in the trial.

all MOO

Well said, all of it. The section I've bolded is important. All the things listed there can be explained in one way or another. He's probably lying about some things and not lying about others. Because some find MS version of events believable doesn't mean they've arrived there as a result of an emotional decision. It simply means some of those things can actually have other reasonable, rational explanations and for that reason, there is reasonable doubt. To be completely honest, I've seen more comments completely ignoring the possibility of any reasonable doubt and just saying things like "he's a filthy liar, lock him up and throw away the key!" To me, that's a far more emotional (and understandable, considering what was done to Tim Bosma) decision.

But is it fair? I'm really looking forward to how the Crown responds to all MS has testified to. I suspect it will bring a lot of us down off the fence, on side or the other.

moo.
 
I know opinions are like *advertiser censored**holes but here's how I feel about the case as of today:

DM's version of events refuses to actually put any culpability for TB's death on either MS or DM. 'The gun went off when TB grabbed it.' o_O. That sociopath needs to rot in jail.

MS is definitely not forthcoming with the whole truth. But appears to have at least shown some remorse for what happened. That might still get him a second degree charge, if the crown doesn't put the final nail in any doubts people are still having that he was a completely willing and aware partner in this scheme. I'd really like the furniture/sausages texts to be explained but I really don't we're going to get anything more interesting out of that line of questioning other than "I don't recall what I was thinking."
 
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I'm with you Arnie. I downloaded the video from youtube, and took screenshots of the first and second passes of the truck, then put them one above the other. They look virtually identical to me. I know it's already been said by the experts that the trucks were similar, but until I just compared the two, I didn't realize how similar they were! It just seems like too much of a coincidence for me not to be the same truck.

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Excellent , thanks

Well it could be, but IMO the odds of another truck that looks so similar (in the video) just happening to go by twice during such a critical time period seems pretty darn slim.
It's not just a Ram, it's a Ram with chrome rims, chrome running boards, and running lights. If you were to go down to Super Suckers tonight at around 9 pm, what are the chances of a truck that looks like this driving by within, say, a 1/2 hour period ? Probably extremely slim.

I totally agree

It seems to me Ianman used the same techniques for comparing the stills as the video expert did, except without recreating it with the actual vehicle. The spots where light reflects off the truck body and where the headlights and taillights cast light on the road in the two stills look identical IMO. I think that was the way the video comparison expert was able to conclude the second vehicle in the SS video was DMs Yukon.

That is enough to prove to me it's TBs truck. JMO. But its doesn't help me conclude who shot TB.

Exactly .... Lanman used actual original truck-for-truck comparisons from the same evening , same video , same lighting conditions , and minutes apart and are more accurate than the police versions who recreated parts of it months later (although police did a good job in their version)

Remember that those two videos were submitted by DM's team, not the crown. At first I thought they were doing it to say, "look there are loads of pickups in that area" which didn't make much sense to me. However, now it is clear that they entered those two videos to discredit MS's story, even before he gave it ... which IMO gives even more credit to MS's story being the truth.

Yes , and it makes for a surprising turn in this whole case .... those "extra trucks" were not important in the first part of the trial .... it would not matter if a herd of elephants drove the black truck in circles on the video ..... but now that MS had taken the stand his story of being dropped off early had gained some credibility (somewhat believable) .... but this second truck video blows his whole story out of the water.

This could be a major turning point in the trial .... wonder if the jury picked this up. I think Mark just lost any hope of being believable .... which makes it possible he did the shooting ... and for all we know it might open the door for DM to take the stand and nail MS.

Watching those two guys nail each other to crucifixes has more drama than the Jesus Movie
 
My exact thoughts.
-When you say you believe the MS story, do you put all the previous trial evidence out of your mind?

Not at all, I just think the vehicle swap, bobcat stop and shooting is much more plausible in MS story than DMs.

-For example, do you forget or dismiss Marlena's testimony about the celebratory mood in the car?

This can be explained by being in 'jockular bro mode' as to not give away the feeling of being creeped out by lunatic DM. If DM was really really wanting the truck which seems to be the case he was likely very happy and over compensating that a nasty crime had occurred to avoid raising MM suspicions.

-Do you ignore or minimize the sausage frying and fireside furniture texts sent by MS?

This is just weird, I cannot explain this one and hope the crown challenges him on it.

-Do you dismiss AM's story about how Mark told him to get the thing from Hagerman?

There is indeed something missing here (communication wise), but he may have been made aware of the 'toolbox' and he knows what was usually in it, the hard core drugs, and he likely wanted that too. Even if he knew it was the gun, don't forget he would want to protect DM at this point so that DM's downfall did not point to him.

-Do you ignore what MS's mother told police about how when Millard was arrested, Smich was concerned he would never get his car?

This is no big deal at all...he likely told his mom some day he would be working toward getting the car. When DM is arrested that becomes very unlikely his DM bait dream comes to fruition like all of the other DM promises.

-Do you forget Daly's testimony about how MS was just fine that week until DM was arrested and his mood changed?

Of course his mood is going to change, he is now one step away from LE paying him a visit, the paranoia must have sky rocketed at this point. Lets not forget his drug use paranoia goes hand in hand. MS is someone that would NEVER want to go to the police as he has alot of his own illegal stuff going on. Its why he would never dial 911.

-Do you ignore the fact that MS has no explanation for his disappeared SIM cards?

This is ridiculous as well, he likely smashed it, or burned it or better yet buried it with gun!!!! Regardless, its gone, needed? not likely...

-Do you think his total gun amnesia story is realistic?

I am very sure this has to do with fear of MWJ and friends...it is a piece of major evidence in that trial, its been returned to him or made to disappear so it cant be found for that trial. While I believe part of MS's story it totally comes off the rails with the gun amnesia.

-Do you take into account that this is about the only story he can tell to have any hope at all of getting off?

Coincidence in my mind as it also seems to be the MOST plausible, at least how things played out. If the times on the Super Sucker video could take the phone time and SB's time comment into account then I could more likely believe all 3 were in the truck when the shooting took place. Aside from some innuendo, I do NOT feel that all parties knew a murder was going to take place, ONLY DM fits that bill IMO

Does MS's testimony trump everything for you? And if so, how is that not an "emotional decision"?

-I am not being emotional at all, far from it, I don't feel I have heard enough info to say I could convict MS on 1st degree. I have DOUBT and to me its reasonable DOUBT. Sorry the evidence I have seen is lacking for me and some of the jurors likely feel the same. So lets hope the crown can change that opinion in the coming days to convince those of us that are not 100% on the 1st for DM AND MS bandwagon. Sorry not there yet. I would love to join you all. I don't like either of the accused, but since that's not what the trial is about I feel we need MORE evidence for MS. I WAS early in the trial, but am no longer. I am 100% DM 1st degree, but more like 2nd for MS at this point in the trial.

all MOO
 
I think what will likely happen, is that the jury as a whole, will likely chose to ignore BOTH versions coming from MS and DM' lawyer. I think they are a smart bunch, who will choose to either believe or disbelieve the evidence that the CROWN presents. It's quite clear that both defendants are telling a story that makes each of them look good, so I think the jury will chose to just follow the evidence and not the words of Smich and Millard.

I am hoping the crown can hammer it home next week.
 
I think both accused are guilty of murdering TB. They planned the truck theft together over a long time and had not been able to steal one by the time they went on the 1st test drive. Frustration and failure was getting to them both. I do think that IT got away only because they thought he'd pose a possible threat to them both. They were not going to let a solid opportunity pass again to get the diesel truck DM needed. On TB's test drive I believe that neither DM or MS were going to accept failure again. They went up TB's driveway with the full intention to take the truck and the owner to succeed in their mission at any cost, and I believe TB paid that cost with his life. I think he was doomed the moment he agreed to allow the later evening test drive. After that it was all systems go for both DM and MS.

In texts to and from DM, MS and even AM you can see DM's desperation building and he was fully prepared, and preparing others for more risky business than any of them had done in the past. It was time to dangerously escalate things and if violence was necessary to get that truck, so be it. DM succeeded in recruiting MS to be his accomplice. I think AM likely wanted no part of the plan and opted out because I believe it possible that DM had let others know he was ready to take a truck by force if need be. All DM and MS needed was the right truck and the right owner in the right circumstances. They decided on May 6th that TB was the right match to carry out their plan. They didn't have time to delay. There was no plan B to come back later to take TB's truck. Once they left the driveway with TB there was no looking back.

I believe that both DM and MS were armed and fully prepared and willing to use their weapons on the test drive with TB. Two men - fist to fist - with one victim could have easily overpowered that lone victim had TB put up any resistance and they knew it. They could have let TB live. They could have taken the truck and let TB out on a remote side road in the dead of night. They were cowards. They never planned to let TB leave alive. They took a gun or guns on that test drive because DM wanted a truck and wasn't going to keep scoping them out indefinitely. I think once he spoke to TB on the phone, DM determined that TB was a "nice guy" and that perception likely emboldened DM and MS in their plan. DM and MS thought that TB wouldn't put up a fight against two young and threatening guys while out alone on a test drive drive in his rural area on a Monday evening. I bet seeing SB in the driveway, and if TB had mentioned he just out his baby to bed, that DM and MS would be encouraged that they indeed chose a nice decent guy who had every reason to live and no reason to resist their plan. I believe they were right.

I think TB was killed by both accused once they got to the Bobcat location, a location I believe was pre-planned and one that DM was familiar with. The reason they killed TB there is by that time they were quite close to the farm and the incinerator and a reasonable distance from TB's area. I think the plan was to order TB out of the truck at gunpoint to shoot him outside of the truck and transfer his body into the bed if the truck, but something interfered with that plan. DM or MS may have shot TB before TB could comply with their command. Whichever of the accused deviated from the plan to shoot TB outside of the truck, it doesn't matter. TB was dead. TB's phone was discarded almost as an afterthought in the ensuing aftermath, in those adrenaline rushing moments. The interior of TB's truck was then covered in blood, and the mad getaway by two madmen began and the clean up and cover up went into full swing. Together. Two monsters that created a living nightmare. Together. And the accused stayed together throughout that terrible night as they coldly continued on. Together at the farm they put TB's body into the Eliminator. Together they headed for the hangar where together they incinerated TB's body as the truck was getting stripped and being prepared for SS to do his thing with the VIN and a repaint job would soon be in the works. The only f-up of their plan was TB being shot inside the truck. All in all though, the next morning they were each celebrating mission success and thinking they had pulled off a brilliant crime. Perhaps I should say another brilliant crime when I think of LB. Neither DM or MS expected TB to be making headlines at all, let alone in the immediate days after he went missing. LB had, by May 2013, been missing for almost a year without much public interest in finding her after all. I believe that DM and MS thought they got away with the crime of the century - perhaps twice - no reasonable doubt in my mind. They thought they were the untouchables. They were deluded.

DM and MS by their own intentions, words and actions before, during and after TB was killed, convicted themselves. No matter how bizarre and unbelievable each of their stories are as they each get their versions out to the jury, I do trust that the jury will see that the only thing that makes any sense, given the totality of the evidence in the context of the big picture, is that both DM and MS were compatible partners, each with a need - one for a diesel Dodge Ram truck - the other for a classic Cadillac - and as difficult as that it is for the average person to comprehend or accept, the truth is that they both planned and equally participated in the crime. They should be held equally responsible for TB's murder. The alternative fictional theory penned by DM in his letters to CN or communicated for him through his lawyers, or the other creative twisting of the truth by the rap lyricist MS are not convincing. Thankfully these two accused turned against one another because that fact did provide a good glimpse into their characters and credibility, but for me, the Crown's version of events is convincing and once they sum it all up, I am hoping the jury will be convinced too.

All MOO. All of the above is my own opinion and speculation.

Such excellent points, and so well stated.
 
Hope someone publishes your piece. It is so good.

Yes, the excitement was "building" as demonstrated by their texts. One of them was "itching" for a mission. They egged each other on unlike AM who told him to f-off. DM sensed others may not join his party when he said maybe they weren't cut out for "scary missions." He new this mission was to be scary. For him, the scarier the better because he needed a bigger thrill. He loved the sexual tension the thrill brought and had plenty of resources for that release. The pressure was on financially. He was putting all the pieces together in sequence--buying the incinerator, buying the gun, practicing with an easy target LB and knocking his father out of the way. The planning for the hideous crime may have started in 2011 when he bought the farm--a far out place for nefarious activity (also in May).

I had noticed that too .... buying the farm 2011 and then in 2012 they started doing all those Bobcat-mission-thefts , and LB went missing , and in the fall of 2012 WM died , and then 6 months later Mr Bosma died.

It was like they were just getting rolling. The incident with TB was not a rare anomaly , it was a continuation of a pattern already established

The rare anomaly was the immediate response of police based on Mrs Bosmas pleas , and thank goodness they did .... probably has saved a couple more lives from being lost.
 
For example, do you forget or dismiss Marlena's testimony about the celebratory mood in the car?

Was he protecting her?

Do you ignore or minimize the sausage frying and fireside furniture texts sent by MS?

Furniture, maybe a potential theft. Sausage I don't know.

Do you dismiss AM's story about how Mark told him to get the thing from Hagerman?

Hope Crown pushes this!

Do you ignore what MS's mother told police about how when Millard was arrested, Smich was concerned he would never get his car?

Maybe now that DM is in jail she realizes MS won't be getting the car. Could be that simple.

Do you forget Daly's testimony about how MS was just fine that week until DM was arrested and his mood changed?

Not sure, but do we believe BD completely?

Do you ignore the fact that MS has no explanation for his disappeared SIM cards?

Those are not needed, from my understanding.

Do you think his total gun amnesia story is realistic?

I think he is scared poopless. Google Krucifix14. DM past lawyer is his current lawyer, very strange.

Do you take into account that this is about the only story he can tell to have any hope at all of getting off?

Yes, I have. I don't want him to get off. But, I couldn't find him guilty. Yet.

Does MS's testimony trump everything for you? And if so, how is that not an "emotional decision"?
I have been following this since Tim went missing. It pops up on my FB memories. I have lived it's trial, like many of us, for months. I've sent prayers up during the most difficult testimonies. It's exhausting me. So, I hope that answers your question.[/QUOTE]



I think the most likely reason he will not produce the gun is that it will mostly likely tie him to another crime and/or death.
 
I had noticed that too .... buying the farm 2011 and then in 2012 they started doing all those Bobcat-mission-thefts , and LB went missing , and in the fall of 2012 WM died , and then 6 months later Mr Bosma died.

It was like they were just getting rolling. The incident with TB was not a rare anomaly , it was a continuation of a pattern already established

The rare anomaly was the immediate response of police based on Mrs Bosmas pleas , and thank goodness they did .... probably has saved a couple more lives from being lost.

https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/...boat_rented_by_dellan_millard_owner_says.html
He called police and told them about renting a 32-foot yacht to Millard in the summer of 2011.

Millard took the boat out for eight days during the last week of August, taking two separate trips with two different women. On the second trip, Blodgett received a call from Millard saying there was a problem with the boat&#8217;s toilet, engine and head.

:thinking: :thinking: :thinking:
 
We've been presented two scenarios in this case. People here seem to be polarizing to one side or the other. We need to realize this isn't an either/or situation. Both stories likely contain elements of the truth but neither are completely accurate. We likely will never know what actually happened that night.
 
-When you say you believe the MS story, do you put all the previous trial evidence out of your mind?

Not at all, I just think the vehicle swap, bobcat stop and shooting is much more plausible in MS story than DMs.

-For example, do you forget or dismiss Marlena's testimony about the celebratory mood in the car?

This can be explained by being in 'jockular bro mode' as to not give away the feeling of being creeped out by lunatic DM. If DM was really really wanting the truck which seems to be the case he was likely very happy and over compensating that a nasty crime had occurred to avoid raising MM suspicions.

-Do you ignore or minimize the sausage frying and fireside furniture texts sent by MS?

This is just weird, I cannot explain this one and hope the crown challenges him on it.

-Do you dismiss AM's story about how Mark told him to get the thing from Hagerman?

There is indeed something missing here (communication wise), but he may have been made aware of the 'toolbox' and he knows what was usually in it, the hard core drugs, and he likely wanted that too. Even if he knew it was the gun, don't forget he would want to protect DM at this point so that DM's downfall did not point to him.

-Do you ignore what MS's mother told police about how when Millard was arrested, Smich was concerned he would never get his car?

This is no big deal at all...he likely told his mom some day he would be working toward getting the car. When DM is arrested that becomes very unlikely his DM bait dream comes to fruition like all of the other DM promises.

-Do you forget Daly's testimony about how MS was just fine that week until DM was arrested and his mood changed?

Of course his mood is going to change, he is now one step away from LE paying him a visit, the paranoia must have sky rocketed at this point. Lets not forget his drug use paranoia goes hand in hand. MS is someone that would NEVER want to go to the police as he has alot of his own illegal stuff going on. Its why he would never dial 911.

-Do you ignore the fact that MS has no explanation for his disappeared SIM cards?

This is ridiculous as well, he likely smashed it, or burned it or better yet buried it with gun!!!! Regardless, its gone, needed? not likely...

-Do you think his total gun amnesia story is realistic?

I am very sure this has to do with fear of MWJ and friends...it is a piece of major evidence in that trial, its been returned to him or made to disappear so it cant be found for that trial. While I believe part of MS's story it totally comes off the rails with the gun amnesia.

-Do you take into account that this is about the only story he can tell to have any hope at all of getting off?

Coincidence in my mind as it also seems to be the MOST plausible, at least how things played out. If the times on the Super Sucker video could take the phone time and SB's time comment into account then I could more likely believe all 3 were in the truck when the shooting took place. Aside from some innuendo, I do NOT feel that all parties knew a murder was going to take place, ONLY DM fits that bill IMO

Does MS's testimony trump everything for you? And if so, how is that not an "emotional decision"?

-I am not being emotional at all, far from it, I don't feel I have heard enough info to say I could convict MS on 1st degree. I have DOUBT and to me its reasonable DOUBT. Sorry the evidence I have seen is lacking for me and some of the jurors likely feel the same. So lets hope the crown can change that opinion in the coming days to convince those of us that are not 100% on the 1st for DM AND MS bandwagon. Sorry not there yet. I would love to join you all. I don't like either of the accused, but since that's not what the trial is about I feel we need MORE evidence for MS. I WAS early in the trial, but am no longer. I am 100% DM 1st degree, but more like 2nd for MS at this point in the trial.

all MOO

I agree with all of this. Well said. The only thing I'd really add is it's been said in court how AM and MH are no longer friends due to lies. So this version of events surrounding the tool box doesn't hold water for me as I have doubts what was actually said.
I think the gun was dumped on MS and he really didn't know it was coming.
If the words to one of them was, DM would want MS to have this. It seems reasonable someone knew MS would get rid of it.

All comments are JMO unless stated otherwise
 
Can someone please explain to me what the furniture /sausage texts were? I don't understand the reference at all when i see it :(
 
If Smich is telling the truth then:


• Brendan Daly, Smich’s close friend, lied on the stand when he told the jury Smich said the Walther PPK .380 handgun used in the Bosma slaying was Smich’s own gun;


• Andrew Michalski, Millard’s close friend, lied when he said that after Millard’s arrest, Smich asked him to bring him “the thing,” which was a tool box containing the gun, that Millard had passed to a third friend;


• Christina Noudga, Millard’s then-girlfriend, lied when she said she spoke on the phone with Smich the night Millard was arrested, and he told her that he had screwed up, and;


• Marlena Meneses, Smich’s girlfriend at the time, lied when she said Smich tried to get her to work as a stripper and had her rip off customers of his illegal drug trade by using “tricky scales” set to inaccurately weigh the drugs being sold.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...ust-have-lied-jury-at-bosma-murder-trial-told

The statements from MM don't have anything to do directly with the murder of TB IMO.
 
If Smich is telling the truth then:


• Brendan Daly, Smich’s close friend, lied on the stand when he told the jury Smich said the Walther PPK .380 handgun used in the Bosma slaying was Smich’s own gun;


• Andrew Michalski, Millard’s close friend, lied when he said that after Millard’s arrest, Smich asked him to bring him “the thing,” which was a tool box containing the gun, that Millard had passed to a third friend;


• Christina Noudga, Millard’s then-girlfriend, lied when she said she spoke on the phone with Smich the night Millard was arrested, and he told her that he had screwed up, and;


• Marlena Meneses, Smich’s girlfriend at the time, lied when she said Smich tried to get her to work as a stripper and had her rip off customers of his illegal drug trade by using “tricky scales” set to inaccurately weigh the drugs being sold.

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/c...ust-have-lied-jury-at-bosma-murder-trial-told

The statements from MM don't have anything to do directly with the murder of TB IMO.

I was going to say that as well. MM statements don't apply here.

1. If it was Smitch's gun. Does that mean he pulled the trigger? MJW was charged with selling guns to DM. Not MS. So where are Millard’s guns then? I think it was DM's gun. MS had no access to money. IMO

2. I'm on the fence with the truth between AM and MH. If those two hadve told the same story that wouldn't cause doubt. Bring me the thing could have meant the tool box. But I really think MS didn't expect the gun. I think if he hadve he would have had a plan for it to cover well before the time it landed on him. Vs scrambling to get rid of it.

3. We are all aware CN remembers nothing. Her credibility was thrown out the window for me with her convenient I don't knows.

IMO these people all lied at some point. So now it's a matter of what story you believe.

All comments are JMO unless stated otherwise
 
Can someone please explain to me what the furniture /sausage texts were? I don't understand the reference at all when i see it :(
The texts were mentioned if you reference BillAndrew spreadsheet. I missed them too. But we've never seen pictures.
 
Here's my timeline spreadsheet that I put together for the SuperSucker videos. Similar to what Arnie did, but I wanted to use more exact numbers, right down to the seconds, and eliminate as many variables as possible.

The "Timestamps" column is the original timestamp from the videos / phone records.
The '+3 Hours' column adds exactly 3 hours to the SS video timestamps as a starting point.
Each column after that adds 1 minute to the video times, to a max of + 11 minutes.

Assumptions and calculations:

Average brisk walking speed (google) is 6 km/hour
Distance from Book road to Bosma driveway = 500 meters
Therefore, 5 minutes to walk from Book road to driveway.
Add 2 minutes for Yukon heading south past SS, parking, getting out of vehicle, that means from passing SS to walking up driveway needs approx 7 minutes.
Subtract 7 minutes from the time entering the driveway, latest that Yukon could have passed SS is 8:58:10. This gives a maximum of 11:27 that can be added to the video timestamps.

Once I created the columns with corrected timestamps, I calculated the critical time differences in the lower 3 rows.

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I guess one thing that I struggle with... with the ms story believers is not that his testimony has given rise to reasonable doubt for them (i respect their right to believe what they do and i know they reciprocate that)
Its that they seem to view his testimony as on the same level of credibility as all the rest of the witnesses from the get go.

But i believe part of the instructions (there is a pdf out there if you google it) for the jury is to evaluate the credibility of the evidence witnesses give and the credibility of the witnesses themselves. One or two of those points advise the jury to weigh what the witness has to gain from lying under oath, and if they have a vested interest in the outcome of the case. Obviously MS (and CN also) have the most to gain by lying and its their future at stake. You cant just ignore that.... It doesnt mean they necessarily ARE lying, but that fact has to be considered with them and NOT so much, or at all with other witnesses like Daly etc. MOO

[h=1]https://www.nji-inm.ca/index.cfm/pu...tions-on-trial-procedure/assessing-testimony/[/h]
 
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