NV - 59 Dead, over 500 injured in Mandalay Bay shooting in Las Vegas, 1 Oct 2017 #5

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Mandalay Bay management says Las Vegas rampage began 'within 40 seconds' after security guard reported shooting

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-mandalay-20171012-story.html

The statement confirms that Campos, who was wounded in a leg after Paddock fired an estimated 200 bullets through his hotel room door, may have reported a gunman in the hotel sometime before the massacre began at 10:05 p.m.. It continues to raise questions about why it took police at least 12 minutes to reach the gunman’s floor when armed security and Las Vegas police were already in the building.
 
Before Paddock’s shooting rampage began at 10:05 p.m., Campos radioed and called security on a hotel phone about a gunman in the building, Clark County Assistant Sheriff Tom Roberts said this week. Officers were already in the building on a different call.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.lati...oting-casino-security-20171012-story,amp.html
Bless your heart.. thats the link I was searching for.. Brilliant.
The cops were there
The hotel knew the cops were in the house
Security would have known cops were in the house.
They could have been there in 5..
At that early stage, with or without the 6 minutes.. nobody suspected a terror attack.

On arrival outside the room however, upon seeing the trolley with the wires and cameras. they could then have reasonably formed an opine that it was a bomb and bomb squad should have been called immediately as well as ERU..

It would have been reasonable for those in house cops to ride elevator to 32nd.. to check out a shooter.. possibly a madman, it would not have been their job to breach that room with suspicion of a bomb or booby trap.

I'm a tad curious about the 'other' incident happening just before... I didn't see anything tho'.
 
We need to think about this



wow Delta and Seals all them agencies should be recruiting 64 yr old, fat, out of shape guys, who loves flip flops, in possible possession of Valium, who gambled all night and fatigued , who might be hungover, using less powerful guns than the delta swat guys use, able to figure out trajectories, (how he knows how many feet the 32 nd floor on a hotel is in height ), in the dark , from the 32nd floor, at angles ,in smoke filled rooms , not disoriented from noise and smoke ,

whose heart did not fail ,in a sweltering room , probably sweating to death, had the strength to hold one of them aggressive weapons ( the delta guys are i shape ), not experiencing arm muscle fatigue when what he has done for the last three decades is lift his arm halfway way up, sit on his tushie hour after hour, not setting off the sprinkler system (the carpet was fabulous dahling),somehow disable the flashing strobes on the smoke alarms.

That is one heck of an accomplishment for a 62 year old fat dude .

gun lovers here -- could you do that ?
 
I love writing about absurd! It just flows thro my head!

Pls take that approach on this post !! We have all earned a brief levity break!

Ugh oh

Houston we have a problem -- I have never been able to ascertain if the long shots of the hallway were the actual floor

i am sorry to say --that this legendary reporter from CBS news

starts his his piece with for the first time we are going to see the 32 floor

now the problems start

200 bullets down the hallway

well, take a look for yourselves --if anyone notices anything looks like one bullet pls advise

Whats amazing is they do closeups

look at the wall right behind the cart gorgeous just gorgeous ! I am jealous - my stuff looks worse and I have not been playing with machine guns in here !!

look at the door right next to door that was supposedly blown out by SWAT - on its hinges - not even a bit out of line . Again my door are a little more off kilter - even if I have accidently closed them to fast!!

Some pretty awesome hinges if ya ask me !

The molding around the entire area right where doors are blown out are right on the mark IMO!

then in the beginning of this -when people started looking for spent shell casings , when the pics were "leaked" (insert smile now ) the notion was that he was blowing everything up in front of the curtain so all the spent shell casings were actually all behind the curtain.

Ok then - we will just say for some reason the curtains did not go down in a blazing inferno - what do i know ?

Smokey the Bear wants some of that material !!

now with this video per our Sheriff 200 rounds were fired .

So now in my head with a close up for the first the first time I eagerly look around and freeze the video to see all the spent casings in front of the door on the inside- that was just shot out around 200 times with a high power machine gun.

He appears to have had some OCD concerns - but even I actually talk myself out of the short preview that possibly he vacuumed or swept or mopped up the area before turning around to go some smash some windows out and start murdering people .

I quickly put this in the no column and moved on!

What do I discover - does not even need a vacuum . I want carpeting or a vacuum that can make my carpet explosion free no matter what!

the close up of the machine gun on the tripod , on the floor , looks like it could be in the machine gun hall of fame museum!

It is not even , at least , on a little bit of an angle -- a tiny bit off kilter !

Nope she stands all perfect and pretty on her tripod!! If she was a stewardess , for Pan Am , in the 50;s her instructor would praise her for perfect posture!

There is a mass murderer running around, there are are 200 bullets swirling about , swat is bombing doors off its hinges (well not really!) for some reason the machine gun on its tripod looks like it is smiling for selfie !!

But study some more !!

Apparently the hotels TV screens are SWAT bomb breaching dynamite scratch resistant coated with something.

It also appears as if the tv is saw dust resistant (from exploding doors) as well.

This stuff aint built in China - thats for sure !

Makes the Samsonite luggage elephant commercial look lam!

Oh come now, that is funny for us old folks!

Man I am liking this hotel more and more!!

It appears there baseboards outside the door are also exploding door proof.

Could I make some money if I suggest that our defense department use this material on all our new tanks??

We all need to find the name of the contractor who built their joint!

From the get go I was envious about how awesome and perfect the crime scene tape was put up.

When I am rested , have not seen and heard WW2, lived through 90 minutes of madness ( well I have done that before but you know what i mean) I could not get masking tape that perfect !!

The fire extinguishers they purchase seem to be saw dust resistant from blowing up doors as well !

My glass does not look that good after Windex!

Oi vey

Even there exterior light glass dome covering the bulb right next to the blown out door appears to be exploding doors unbreaking bomb concussion proof !

I dont get how stupid they have been . or how stupid they think most of us are

[video=youtube;2HFzEGFtpgQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HFzEGFtpgQ[/video]

Great post, Cariis! I so agree that the amount of damage I've seen thus far doesn't come close to what has been reported. But, Im still behind, still trying to catch up.
 
Oh boy, I'm so trying to catch up, but I thought it was reported shooter was shooting down the hallway. But I also heard that Campos was alerted to him because he heard drilling. Now I an completely confused :confused: Could someone please set me straight on how it happened? I would so appreciate it ! :wave:
I'll try but I am suffering from misinformation overload as well.

Cops had been called to hotel because of another incident.

Latest 'story' is that Campos was sent to floor 32 cos of some alarm thingy/malfunction which may have been caused by one of any number of things. Have no clue.
While he was there, he heard drilling noise from shooter suite so he toddled down the corridor to check it out.
Shooter was allegedly drilling the door inside his room,
He had 2 cctv cameras outside plugged into an ipad so he could observe the corridor.

My understanding is that main door to his suite was located at end of corridor, facing up.. but cant swear it.

Why shooter had 2 cctv's instead of one is kind of reading like overkill, as there was only one direction to watch. (unless he expected to see somebody pop out of the ceiling as well)
He spots Campos and he lets off a few shots OR a volley, not sure,
campos legs it.
Then another security guard wanders on to the floor, I think he may have heard drilling too.. so this was indeed very determined drilling.. possibly shooter was lining up a gun to kill whoever breached the door, but he could have done most of that much earlier in the day or procured a much quieter drill.. speculation.
Shooter peeks out the unfinished carpentry door, it must have been unfinished or he would not have been able to open it
he decides to take a few more pot shots at sg 2 who also legs it.
sg2 reports the wounded sG1 warned him to take cover so he escaped as well
He phoned reception, gives his active shooter warning to someone who may or may not have contacted the police at some stage.
His mate is wounded but not seriously.

mB latest statement says that shooter shot campas, sg1, and within 40 seconds of shooting Campas, he shot into the crowd.

Prob is several fold
we dont know what time campas allegedly alerted reception.
But from sg2 interview.. shooter would have had to
continue drilling
shoot at sg2
smash some windows, big big windows with just a smallish hammer
Take aim and fire at the tanks, and run to window 2 and start shooting the crowd.
Possibly glove up as well..

Now if hotel had received sg1's report, they should not have sent a second unarmed sg to the floor.

whats not known is whether the Sgs recognised the wiring on the tea trolley to be a bomb or even if they saw it at all
the other anomaly is why the trolley was still there, normally housekeeping in such a mega hotel would whisk it away almost immediately
Thats the gist of it and I could well have got it wrong in places.
 
The entire door panel was gone completely.. see photos here<br>
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<a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4944234/Two-23-rifles-inside-Stephen-Paddock-s-room.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4944234/Two-23-rifles-inside-Stephen-Paddock-s-room.html</a>
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But only one door panel? 200 shots? Why through only the one door panel, why not both? Don't mind me, Just trying to figure it out.....
 
I think we may have just located the reason why the Sheriff lied and lied and then had to lie a dash more .

He has got 26 minutes before just the call for SWAT was made
...............................................


10:25-32: A clearer idea of the shooter's location emerges, and a team gets to the gunman's floor.
"It's Room 135 on the 32nd floor. I need SWAT."


"We have a four-man element at the very end of the hall."

The only thing up there was reg cops there not trained in all this stuff


: 11:02


At the same time, the channel becomes flooded with reports of shots fired in no fewer than a half-dozen casinos across the Las Vegas Strip


11:19-20:
breach breach breach

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/04/555305057/listen-amid-chaos-in-las-vegas-police-dispatches-reveal-an-evolving-response


http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/04/555305057/listen-amid-chaos-in-las-vegas-police-dispatches-reveal-an-evolving-response



We need to think about this



wow Delta and Seals all them agencies should be recruiting 64 yr old, fat, out of shape guys, who loves flip flops, in possible possession of Valium, who gambled all night and fatigued , who might be hungover, using less powerful guns than the delta swat guys use, able to figure out trajectories, (how he knows how many feet the 32 nd floor on a hotel is in height ), in the dark , from the 32nd floor, at angles ,in smoke filled rooms , not disoriented from noise and smoke ,

whose heart did not fail ,in a sweltering room , probably sweating to death, had the strength to hold one of them aggressive weapons ( the delta guys are i shape ), not experiencing arm muscle fatigue when what he has done for the last three decades is lift his arm halfway way up, sit on his tushie hour after hour, not setting off the sprinkler system (the carpet was fabulous dahling),somehow disable the flashing strobes on the smoke alarms.

That is one heck of an accomplishment for a 62 year old fat dude .

gun lovers here -- could you do that ?

-You have me thinking about his weight. Has that been posted here already?
 
I think we may have just located the reason why the Sheriff lied and lied and then had to lie a dash more .

He has got 26 minutes before just the call for SWAT was made
...............................................


10:25-32: A clearer idea of the shooter's location emerges, and a team gets to the gunman's floor.
"It's Room 135 on the 32nd floor. I need SWAT."


"We have a four-man element at the very end of the hall."

The only thing up there was reg cops there not trained in all this stuff


: 11:02


At the same time, the channel becomes flooded with reports of shots fired in no fewer than a half-dozen casinos across the Las Vegas Strip


11:19-20:
breach breach breach

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/04/555305057/listen-amid-chaos-in-las-vegas-police-dispatches-reveal-an-evolving-response


http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/04/555305057/listen-amid-chaos-in-las-vegas-police-dispatches-reveal-an-evolving-response



Just hysterical

I promise

My smoke alarm just went off

from one cig going

serious!!!

It is really designed bad -- the goal is not to die , I assume , when it goes off it is so loud I almost have a heart attack

guess I would prefer to croak from a massive heart attack than burning to death

but it is a dash obnoxious

It will only go for about 8 seconds but so loud afraid neighbor might call fire dept

then I think men in uniform ummmmmmmmmmmm!

then I think if your not choking or burning to death you will probably get a fine

that would make it like I am paying for men

that would be like prostitution!!

-Funnnny for such a time as this&#128561;
 
hey

it has to be said

sorry

with hours of video 500 injured i saw one guy with a shot in the arm bleeding

I did not see anyone bleeding in the mass escape not one

only one

500 injured ??

the white truck loaded up by a citizen none of there bleeding . it was white truck no blood on the side of it as injured people are crawling in or being placed in

no blood on clothing on anyone

amazinly cops that were standing up more than citizens -- only one LE injury

just saying
So because you somehow haven't seen pictures or video of anyone bleeding from this, it didn't happen? You question the 500. So you're questioning the hospital counts? Do you believe the multiple hospitals, doctors, nurses, folks loading people on makeshift stretchers, are all lying about the number of injured people they saw?

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I am telling ya

as it was breaking , after a bit , I started to get confused -- did not hear anything being put on lockdown

usually they put the city next door on lockdown

during that same time frame starting thinking I really don't know if I am going to be able to see any of this i was afraid i was going to start to see people with arms off and stuff

for the people who were there during same timeframe I was just mortified at how long it went on

then i am thinking for all of those people that makes it much worse -- the number of start and stops after a while one would get to the place to where it starts to feel this is
NEVER gonna stop

that turns into complete powerlessness


the next part was oh eff copy cats
imo
 
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But only one door panel? 200 shots? Why through only the one door panel, why not both? Don't mind me, Just trying to figure it out.....
I dont know whether Sheriff was badly briefed, confused, in a state of shock, not there at all, or had or hadn't collected and counted the spent cartridges.

Also unsure wh ether there was one volley at Campos and a second volley at sG2..
Either way they would all have been presumably bagged, identified and counted.
did door open in or out?
was panel broken by breachers or did campas actually fire off a few rounds upon breach as reported by dailymail early article. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4944234/Two-23-rifles-inside-Stephen-Paddock-s-room.html

looks like it may have opened in.. not sure..

You see at that stage sheriff was painting Campas as a hero and probably wanting to ensure hotel co-operated.. speculating

Either way, he must take responsibility for giving incorrect information.
They have a tremendous responsibility in a case like this, an allegedly reasonless crime..
They made it worse,
They gave licence to shoals of alex joners who prey upon victims like vampires and enjoy destroying lives of very hurt people.

He may not have been the brightest star in the sky and not accustomed to dealing with a major emergency, but he most definitely would have been aware of the shark influx following each major event and he had a duty to protect the general public from that.

His facts should have been immaculate.
The FBI should not have contradicted him publicly, they could have done it privately.

Who will take responsibility for the fallout?
 
Mandalay Bay management says Las Vegas rampage began 'within 40 seconds' after security guard reported shooting

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-mandalay-20171012-story.html

The statement confirms that Campos, who was wounded in a leg after Paddock fired an estimated 200 bullets through his hotel room door, may have reported a gunman in the hotel sometime before the massacre began at 10:05 p.m.. It continues to raise questions about why it took police at least 12 minutes to reach the gunman’s floor when armed security and Las Vegas police were already in the building.

I don't think there is any mystery here. Police were using the stairs instead of an elevator. How long does it take one to get to 32nd floor?
 
Stephanie Wash
Stephanie Wash @WashNews
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16m
Media scrum tonight as we learn security officer shot in Vegas attack, Jesus Campos’ whereabouts are unknown.
Stephanie Wash
Stephanie Wash @WashNews
·
19m
Jesus Campos was set to do 5 intvs tonight per union president, but they’ve lost contact. “We were in a room & we came out & he was gone”
https://mobile.twitter.com/WashNews
 
So because you somehow haven't seen pictures or video of anyone bleeding from this, it didn't happen? You question the 500. So you're questioning the hospital counts? Do you believe the multiple hospitals, doctors, nurses, folks loading people on makeshift stretchers, are all lying about the number of injured people they saw?

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Basically i saw people running i saw two or so falling the pickup truck by a citizen

no police carrying anyone

the way the numbers went up (timeframe ) imo totally impossible

it doubled in about 3 hours --- there is no way 5 different hospitals could register and then merge counts and then get those numbers to cop and press

were people hurt
yes

if the videos on you tube were not shot in real time I would say what was released was edited to avoid the public seeing horrible things everything on YT is not altered, photo shopped made up etc



hundreds of people aiming there cell phones for 20 30 minutes at a time , raw video makes no sense

the 500 number just does not fit

check out how the injured went up and up timeframes

A lot of us have been on threads on together -- I am not a conspiracy nut

I have clicked off many you tubes in the first 20 secs -- trust me

however the more it marinates the stupider it gets imo

for those that are thinking this stuff is accurate some folks gotta be really scared if a 64 old schelp can do this

imagine a ex military ,strong, with 12 years of machine gun training the implications are ......

moo
 
I don't think there is any mystery here. Police were using the stairs instead of an elevator. How long does it take one to get to 32nd floor?

I've been wondering that as well, 32 flights of stairs, not going to happen in seconds.
 
Just hysterical

I promise

My smoke alarm just went off

from one cig going

serious!!!

It is really designed bad -- the goal is not to die , I assume , when it goes off it is so loud I almost have a heart attack

guess I would prefer to croak from a massive heart attack than burning to death

but it is a dash obnoxious

It will only go for about 8 seconds but so loud afraid neighbor might call fire dept

then I think men in uniform ummmmmmmmmmmm!

then I think if your not choking or burning to death you will probably get a fine

that would make it like I am paying for men

that would be like prostitution!!
Remove the batteries immediately!
We need you alive and with a roof over your head for the duration..
 
Basically i saw people running i saw two or so falling the pickup truck by a citizen

no police carrying anyone

the way the numbers went up (timeframe ) imo totally impossible

it doubled in about 3 hours --- there is no way 5 different hospitals could register and then merge counts and then get those numbers to cop and press

were people hurt
yes

the 500 number just does not fit

check out how the injured went up and up timeframes

moo

There’s plenty videos of people injured out there. One video of a drunk guy going around and doing “triage” on mostly dead people. I would not suggest going and looking for these things; you’ll be happier that way.
 
Stephanie Wash
Stephanie Wash @WashNews
·
16m
Media scrum tonight as we learn security officer shot in Vegas attack, Jesus Campos’ whereabouts are unknown.
Stephanie Wash
Stephanie Wash @WashNews
·
19m
Jesus Campos was set to do 5 intvs tonight per union president, but they’ve lost contact. “We were in a room & we came out & he was gone”
https://mobile.twitter.com/WashNews
Is this real or not?
 
I think we may have just located the reason why the Sheriff lied and lied and then had to lie a dash more .

He has got 26 minutes before just the call for SWAT was made
...............................................


10:25-32: A clearer idea of the shooter's location emerges, and a team gets to the gunman's floor.
"It's Room 135 on the 32nd floor. I need SWAT."


"We have a four-man element at the very end of the hall."

The only thing up there was reg cops there not trained in all this stuff


: 11:02


At the same time, the channel becomes flooded with reports of shots fired in no fewer than a half-dozen casinos across the Las Vegas Strip


11:19-20:
breach breach breach

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/04/555305057/listen-amid-chaos-in-las-vegas-police-dispatches-reveal-an-evolving-response


http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/04/555305057/listen-amid-chaos-in-las-vegas-police-dispatches-reveal-an-evolving-response



Stephanie Wash
Stephanie Wash @WashNews
·
16m
Media scrum tonight as we learn security officer shot in Vegas attack, Jesus Campos’ whereabouts are unknown.
Stephanie Wash
Stephanie Wash @WashNews
·
19m
Jesus Campos was set to do 5 intvs tonight per union president, but they’ve lost contact. “We were in a room & we came out & he was gone”
https://mobile.twitter.com/WashNews


-True?
 
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