Syringe in bottle contained traces of chloroform

[cecybeans]

Just wondering...:waitasec:

Why did the official FBI report (not the many, many notes) mention only the four testosterone components and not the chloroform? Could it be that they did not find the chloroform to be significant?

Just asking.

I saw that they analysed it, but didnt see what was in it other than cleaning solution. What cleaning solution? brown cleaning solution?

I'm starting to think that chloroform may have been popping up because after the trunk air analysis the labdudes were specifically asked to isolate the compound, regardless of whether in trace amounts. Chloroform exists in all kinds of compounds, so perhaps it is better to look for exactly what combination of chemicals this is likely to be.

This is all making me think that the search for "household weapons" might be a lot more important than we think. Wonder what kinds of chemicals came up in those searches???

 

[Valhall]

Good morning!!

The quote is suggesting a shallow marshy location as a possible dumpsite for the body. This is before the remains were found. He does not ask if a cleaner was used in the trunk to explain the limonene and pinene. My interpretation and :twocents:

Right, he doesn't. But at the same time, no evidence of vegetative matter in the trunk has been found, to our knowledge, to produce these Terpenes. Are you saying you're going with that theory simply because he speculated it and then later the body was in that type of location?

I understand it appears Dr. Vass "hit the nail on the head", but there is no connectivity to show that the location of the body led to the Terpenes in the trunk. What there is evidence of is that KC attempted to clean the trunk.

 

[Valhall]

After reading every post in this thread, my goal was to read the latest documents. I hadn't wanted to read anything more after sweet Caylee's body was found - I was so sad and it really took a toll on me. I did not lose interest in the case. I just needed a break. So here I am.

My post this morning is meant to be analytical, so please bear with me and DO NOT rush to judgment on its contents because I AM NOT a genetic specialist. I've taken classes and understand it at is basic core. It's my hope that this post will inspire us to take a look into my posits and hopefully there will be a genetic specialist among us who can take it from there. Again, let's be cautious and meticulous.

The document I happened to open is "12321-12378.pdf" from this website: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/12321-12378.pdf. When I saw that it was about genetics, I almost closed it. But I remembered people in this thread had questions about DNA being found with the Gatorade bottle and syringe, so I read on. Below are my notes with my thoughts. Please feel free to correct or bring to my attention ANYTHING because as stated, I am not an expert.

What made me continue reading this part of the doc dump was that I noticed it repeated some information disclosed in 2008 - reporting of the DNA for CA, GA, LA, KC, and Caylee. My thought was that those 2008 results must have something to do with the 2009 findings. This will be long post and sorry. Since all this is my own opinion, I'm not going to keep repeating that phrase at every turn.

I posit that Caylee's DNA was found in the Gatorade bottle.

1. Known: Q240 was the bottle itself; Q238 was the liquid contents of that bottle (p 12321)

*Respectfully snipped to point.*

Nope, that's wrong. Q240 is the World of Disney bag. Q238 is the bottle. Q238.1 is the liquid from the bottle.

 

[Tuffy]

As far as the cardboard rolls found in the Gatorade bottle, possibly toilet paper rolls? Anyone have a read on that?

That's what I thought, too: toilet paper rolls. Now I am wondering how big the Gatorade bottle was. Would two rolls fit into the indiviual bottles, or was this the larger size that you would buy, and pour into cups to drink?

 

[Harmony 2]

Uhhh...not yet lizzy. This statement by Dr. Vass could link the contents of the Gatorade bottle to Casey - but not because of vegetation. Because of the cleaning solution used in the trunk!

http://citrusdepot.net/images/MSDS for all Products.pdf

The "orange cleaners" will have "Terpenes" - that's your Limonene, Pinene and Terpineol.

Your post has me pondering. Are you referring to the (possible) limonene in Q238.1 and Q240.1.1 listed on page 80?

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/1106/21540506.pdf

Are you thinking the liquid found in the gatorade bottle and syringe were a cleaner used in the vehicle? I am confused... How would the syringe come into play if that was the case?

 

[Valhall]

And P.S. there was no DNA detected in the 238.1 or 240.1.1 tests.

 

[Valhall]

Your post has me pondering. Are you referring to the (possible) limonene in Q238.1 and Q240.1.1 listed on page 80?

http://www.clickorlando.com/download/2009/1106/21540506.pdf

Are you thinking the liquid found in the gatorade bottle and syringe were a cleaner used in the vehicle? I am confused... How would the syringe come into play if that was the case?

I actually think there is NO connection between the bottle, the syringe and Caylee. Just to be clear.

I was positing the potential cleaner as the source of the Terpenes in the bottle to remain open minded that there MAY be a connection.

I still don't think there is.

 

[QuietStorm]

*Respectfully snipped to point.*

Nope, that's wrong. Q240 is the World of Disney bag. Q238 is the bottle. Q238.1 is the liquid from the bottle.

No, it's not wrong. Regardless of what Q240 is, Q238.1 is the liquid in the bottle and it contained DNA. You might want to read the document first. It did not list Q240 as being the bag but it doesn't make a difference as to what Q238.1 was. It is clearly identified.

 

[QuietStorm]

And P.S. there was no DNA detected in the 238.1 or 240.1.1 tests.

Please read the document first. These reports we are reading are all made at different times. The report I'm quoting from specifically states that they tested the cap, mouth, and bottom contents of the bottle. Go there and see, then repost. Thanks.

 

[MD MOMMY]

After reading every post in this thread, my goal was to read the latest documents. I hadn't wanted to read anything more after sweet Caylee's body was found - I was so sad and it really took a toll on me. I did not lose interest in the case. I just needed a break. So here I am.

My post this morning is meant to be analytical, so please bear with me and DO NOT rush to judgment on its contents because I AM NOT a genetic specialist. I've taken classes and understand it at is basic core. It's my hope that this post will inspire us to take a look into my posits and hopefully there will be a genetic specialist among us who can take it from there. Again, let's be cautious and meticulous.

The document I happened to open is "12321-12378.pdf" from this website: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/12321-12378.pdf. When I saw that it was about genetics, I almost closed it. But I remembered people in this thread had questions about DNA being found with the Gatorade bottle and syringe, so I read on. Below are my notes with my thoughts. Please feel free to correct or bring to my attention ANYTHING because as stated, I am not an expert.

What made me continue reading this part of the doc dump was that I noticed it repeated some information disclosed in 2008 - reporting of the DNA for CA, GA, LA, KC, and Caylee. My thought was that those 2008 results must have something to do with the 2009 findings. This will be long post and sorry. Since all this is my own opinion, I'm not going to keep repeating that phrase at every turn.


*respectfully snipped for space*

QS, good to see you back.

I've read your post and while I'm no genetic specialist by any means what you have written appears to make sense and if correct is a VERY good thing IMO.

 

[lizzysf]

Uhhh...not yet lizzy. This statement by Dr. Vass could link the contents of the Gatorade bottle to Casey - but not because of vegetation. Because of the cleaning solution used in the trunk!

http://citrusdepot.net/images/MSDS for all Products.pdf

The "orange cleaners" will have "Terpenes" - that's your Limonene, Pinene and Terpineol.

Just saying that it can be something other than Citronella oil. Decaying vegetation, "orange cleaners", Citronella...and probably other products to add the the list.

 

[Harmony 2]

Right, he doesn't. But at the same time, no evidence of vegetative matter in the trunk has been found, to our knowledge, to produce these Terpenes. Are you saying you're going with that theory simply because he speculated it and then later the body was in that type of location?

I understand it appears Dr. Vass "hit the nail on the head", but there is no connectivity to show that the location of the body led to the Terpenes in the trunk. What there is evidence of is that KC attempted to clean the trunk.

I was thinking the pinene and limonene came from possibly a tiny bit of soil residue in the trunk after Casey attempted to dig with the shovel at the remains site which were then detected in the air sample.

 

[TakeNote]

oh QuiteStorm.......if its true that caylee and kc dna is in that bottle or on it......that would link kc to the crime scene!!!!!

i was so afraid as i was reading your post....that it was going to turn up to be someone other then kc.....and that would have given defense team someone to throw under the bus......im not going to name a name.....but we all know who.....

great job!!!

i missed you!!

 

[TakeNote]

what do you suppose the cardboard rolls were for?

 

[Valhall]

Please read the document first. These reports we are reading are all made at different times. The report I'm quoting from specifically states that they tested the cap, mouth, and bottom contents of the bottle. Go there and see, then repost. Thanks.

Well, considering I've read the whole document twice now and can't find where it states there was DNA in the bottle, I'm guessing you're reading a document I'm not reading.

So I'll respectfully request a link so that I can get on the right page...and the right document.

 

[Tuffy]

what do you suppose the cardboard rolls were for?

Do you know if there are pictures of the cardboard rolls? I'm wondering what they are, and what they might have been used for as well.

 

[QuietStorm]

Well, considering I've read the whole document twice now and can't find where it states there was DNA in the bottle, I'm guessing you're reading a document I'm not reading.

So I'll respectfully request a link so that I can get on the right page...and the right document.

Thank you, but the link is already in my original post.

 

[petchie]

Do you know if there are pictures of the cardboard rolls? I'm wondering what they are, and what they might have been used for as well.

Cardboard Rolls (toilet paper and paper towel centers) are often used in huffing.

 

[The Eunice Burns]

Oh, absolutely! This is defintely a major one for the Believe-It-Not Headbanger Thread. And let's not forget that instead of opening the suspicious bag himself, he takes a Rattlesnake Souvenir! Which he puts into his freezer. Who does a thing like that, anyway???

Someone who wanted a memento of his major role in this case. MO is that Kronk is an odd character in this unending list of odd characters connected to this case, but I don't think he had anything to do w/ Caylee's death or the disposal of her remains. I think he put some thoughts together and went on a mission......and sometimes I wish it had been a more "average Joe" citizen who had found Caylee.

 

[spqr]

That's what I thought, too: toilet paper rolls. Now I am wondering how big the Gatorade bottle was. Would two rolls fit into the indiviual bottles, or was this the larger size that you would buy, and pour into cups to drink?

As per the report...20oz bottle