Peru - Stephany Flores, 21, murdered in Lima hotel room, 30 May 2010 #4

[Kateyes]

I understand. I'm the same way. While it's somewhat satisfying that Joran is in the position he is now in, it's not good enough for me that he is simply in a heinous prison right now. I need to know the ins and outs of how, where, when, why, who ect. After the last few days I've lost confidence that we'll ever get a direct accounting, based on evidence, of exactly what the facts are and that frustrates me. I'd also prefer the investigation and trial to be factual and impartial, but I think that's unlikely.

I guess one could argue that sometimes the ends do indeed justify the means, but for me the means are always at least as important as the ends. I don't like thugs like Joran, but I'm not willing to turn myself into one as well in order to see that he gets what's coming to him. It doesn't make me giddy with glee that Joran has finally run into thugs who are bigger than he is.

Charleston Girl - I don't think Peru officials are being "thugs" with Jorn. Judging by the conditions of the prisons there, and from the links posted here, it seems to me that Peru is simply proceeding according to the way their laws mandate. I do not think Joran is being treated worse than other accused criminals. It is just that, IMHO, Peru's justice system is so very different than what we know here in the USA.

 

[hollyblue]

EXCERPT: A Dutch criminal law expert Geert-Jans Knoops told the Dutch Telegraaf on Thursday Van der Sloot would not get any special legal protection as a Dutch national in Peru. He also said that it's likely that Van der Sloot, if convicted, would have to serve any jail term in Peru because there is no prisoner exchange treaty between The Netherlands and Peru.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100604/wl_csm/305889

I hope he's right!

I don't want to burst anyone's bubble here, but from all I've been reading and hearing, the extortion and Natalee's case can and probably will be used against him for sentencing in Peru, but with saying that, that's where the extortion involvement ends as well as him telling what happened to Natalee---if he did in fact know. He only used her death as a way to extract money and more or less said so. Him being lock away in a literal dungeon will not afford him the "opportunity" of her again. I think he now sees himself as unfairly treated and will scorn at the thought of ever bringing her name or body forward. Just the way I see him....cold...very cold.

 

[md89]

I hate to admit it but I actually feel sorry for him. Don't get me wrong, I think he definately needs to be punished for what he has done to Natalee, Stephany and their families but in my opinion no one should have to live under the circumstances that they live in the prisons of Peru. I've read about it in the past few days and it's horrible.

EVERYWHERE your standing: 20cm in front,behind and on your right/left side are other prisoners talking,doing nothing. It looks and smells like hell on that courtyard, it's like the half of a soccerfield filled with 2000 prisoners.

Every day people getting raped under the showers, they have 3 "showers" for 800 people and 2 hours a day water. Even the water is not hygienic, it's not clear and it smells a bit.

They sleep with 60/70 people in one cell, you don't have privacy, everywhere you see rats,cockroaches.

You have to pay for the food and the water, and the food is realy realy bad: Rotten fishheads with some unknown old vegetables in soup. If you have money you can buy a plate with chicken and rice for 4 soles. (around $0,75

Source

I know, the things Joran has done over the years are also HORRIBLE but that doesn't mean he has to be treated this way. We all are so angry when we find out that Natalee and/or Stephany were raped by Joran but at the same time we're happy that he has to live maybe up to 35 years in this hell where he likely also will get raped.

This post is not directed towards any person that's posting here and it is JMOO. I know it's not a popular opinion and I hope that I do not upset anyone with this post.

 

[TUSK]

if the evidence shows he is guilty, i don't think he will live
long enough in peru's prisons to even make it to a trial. they won't
put him up in a private penthouse suite like k.c.

 

[hollyblue]

The video of the Peruvian police posing Joran for the media is equally as awesome as the one of him arriving in Peru. Beyond Belief, I understand what you are saying and generally WSleuthers are among the most compassionate people I've ever encountered. That said, I don't think posters would be taking such pleasure in this spectacle (including myself) if it were not for Joran's arrogant, flippant, smirky, remorseless attitude toward Natalee and her family these past 5 years--including all of the pain he put Natalee's family through by selling his various scenarios of what he did to her and how she was buried. This is truly karma as far as I'm concerned. I also think that Joran has been cut yet another break in that Stephany's father is clearly a good man--he may not have been so lucky with another father, if you get my drift.

I think you may want to read between the lines of the media. I think he is a good man....loved his only daughter truly, unmeasurably, as this culture is very family orientated and the men are expected to protect their women, but I also think because of this JVS will pay dearly for it....things we may surely never know. THAT is the real world. JMO

 

[KR2tonenow]

I understand. I'm the same way. While it's somewhat satisfying that Joran is in the position he is now in, it's not good enough for me that he is simply in a heinous prison right now. I need to know the ins and outs of how, where, when, why, who ect. After the last few days I've lost confidence that we'll ever get a direct accounting, based on evidence, of exactly what the facts are and that frustrates me. I'd also prefer the investigation and trial to be factual and impartial, but I think that's unlikely.

I guess one could argue that sometimes the ends do indeed justify the means, but for me the means are always at least as important as the ends. I don't like thugs like Joran, but I'm not willing to turn myself into one as well in order to see that he gets what's coming to him. It doesn't make me giddy with glee that Joran has finally run into thugs who are bigger than he is.

I agree! I was thinking about the statement - "one can get lost in South America"....now with the video and internet, its virtually impossible to get lost anywhere anymore. With that said, I think about the drug cartels and corrupt governments that literally get away with murdering many people. JVDS seems to set an example with the Peru government, "this is what will happen to you when you murder in our country". I just hope they treat ALL their criminals as such (perp walk...etc.).

 

[hollyblue]

I hate to admit it but I actually feel sorry for him. Don't get me wrong, I think he definately needs to be punished for what he has done to Natalee, Stephany and their families but in my opinion no one should have to live under the circumstances that they live in the prisons of Peru. I've read about it in the past few days and it's horrible.

Source

I know, the things Joran has done over the years are also HORRIBLE but that doesn't mean he has to be treated this way. We all are so angry when we find out that Natalee and/or Stephany were raped by Joran but at the same time we're happy that he has to live maybe up to 35 years in this hell where he likely also will get raped.

This post is not directed towards any person that's posting here and it is JMOO. I know it's not a popular opinion and I hope that I do not upset anyone with this post.

This may seem to some to be totally off the wall, but I have always thought for these like kinds to be expelled to a designated island somewhere with a pair of goats or cow and a big club. With today's technology....they could monitor the place with very few actual persons.

If they want to act like a Neanderthal....let them live it---all together. This would eliminate the cost (or drastically reduce it) of policing, feeding, clothing, etc.; and the death penalty would be placed upon the decision of their peers. Basically, the same thing that is happening in Peruvian prisons now, except the government is paying for it and the conditions are bad because of confinement...no need in my opinion, which is JMO.

 

[darnudes]

It isn't unusual for the accused to be paraded before the media in high profile cases in Peru.

I don't feel one ounce of sympathy for him. You want to flout the law in a foreign country you will pay the price.

 

[panthera]

The police are just doing the perp walk with him. I don't see anything wrong with it.

Stopping for the media to take photos isn't anything new in some foreign countries. I remember all the media presence when John Mark Karr was arrested in Thailand. MOO

 

[suzihawk]

How many lives has he destoyed? These young girls thought they were being recruited as dancers.


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK_l3C0dSrk[/ame]

JVDS trafficking Thai girls for a prostitution ring.

 

[Beyond Belief]

Some of the fears I feel that could turn this into a circus (no pun intended) is just that. The folks surrounding Stephany are showman, circus promoters, casino owners, politicians, all showman.
These two deceased young women were ladies without a doubt. I am hoping that this case is treated in a civil manner. i don't want a show.
Just for the law to take its course. Real facts.

See the voodoo people have showed up, This is ridiculous.

 

[panthera]

I was thinking about that, jilly. If he'd copped a plea 5 or 6 years ago, they probably would have gone easy on him, what with his father's influence, his young age and the way he was the super-star of Aruba at the time. He could have done his time in a country club type prison (relatively speaking) and would most likely be looking to get out in just a few short years from now. Maybe even sooner with good behavior. He'd be, what... like 25 or 26 years old? He really blew it and I bet the realization is just beginning to sink in.

I believe he is quickly going to wish he had been convicted of Natalee's murder in Aruba....

:behindbar

MOO

 

[trigger]

Fox News just said they are releasing the video of them walking into the hotel around 5pm...

 

[TigerBalm]

VIDEO: Police released images of Joran van der Sloot and Stephany Flores together at the hotel

Incident occurred at dawn on Sunday 30 May, in Miraflores. They were the last moments of life of the daughter of businessman Ricardo Flores

Saturday June 5, 2010 - 2:46 pm

<CLICK LINK TO WATCH VIDEO>

Video: Ministerio del Interior
The Ministry of Interior ( MININT ) broadcast images of Joran van der Sloot and Stephany Flores Tac when they entered the hotel in Miraflores, on Sunday May 30, at approximately 5:15 a.m.

The footage shows van der Sloot in a white shirt asking the key to his room to the front desk. Then, we see him with Sthepany looking into the room. The daughter of the businessman Ricardo Flores wore trousers and black pants.

Three hours later, 8:10 am Sunday, the Dutchman out of the hotel and goes to Wong in front of the hotel to buy bread and two cups of coffee. Then back to the room and out again at 9:30 am to address Stephany van, carrying in his hand a small suitcase and a backpack. In this period would have caused death.

http://elcomercio.pe/noticia/490238...an-van-der-sloot-stephany-flores-juntos-hotel

(google translated)

 

[froginTtown]

Watching this "perp walk" reminds me of when Oswald shot Kennedy...except Oswald didn't have a bullet proof vest...I wish he would of , because now there are so many unanswered questions, which turned into to a conspiracy...I hope that there is some kind of interogation, and that we will hear what he has to say for himself... I just cringe everytime he is paraded in public, that he may be shot and killed, and that we will all be left guessing about the murders of both Stephany and Natalie for the rest of our lives...

 

[froginTtown]

:waitasec:Watching this "perp walk" reminds me of when Oswald shot Kennedy...except Oswald didn't have a bullet proof vest...I wish he would of , because now there are so many unanswered questions, which turned into to a conspiracy...I hope that there is some kind of interogation, and that we will hear what he has to say for himself... I just cringe everytime he is paraded in public, that he may be shot and killed, and that we will all be left guessing about the murders of both Stephany and Natalie for the rest of our lives...:waitasec:

 

[trigger]

Joran van der Sloot was insulted and assaulted with a backpack Pucusana

The Dutchman citizen Joran van der Sloot was assaulted and insulted by residents of Pucusana when he approached another police vehicle to take him to the headquarters of the Directorate of Criminal Investigation Police in Spain Avenue.


http://translate.google.com/transla...&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&rlz=1I7ADFA_en

Just went to your link and saw the video of both of them in the hotel. You see Joran walking out of the room wearing redwhite/blue striped shirt nd blue jeans carrying a duffle bag.

 

[one_girl_rev]

Does anyone know Joran's height / weight? The guy is built like a bulldozer.

 

[suzet]

*respectfully snipped*

It doesn't make me giddy with glee that Joran has finally run into thugs who are bigger than he is.

No disrespect, but how tall is he? If it is every man for himself in those prisons, Joran can thank his lucky stars he is about two or three times the size as some of the other prisoners there. To me, he will be in "like company" only taller than most. As far as human rights, and I don't want to get off topic, but I don't see why anyone would feel any more sorry for Joran, than anyone else in the same types of prisons. He is no more "special" than any of the other murderers.

 

[Betty P]

Stills from video of JVDS and Stephany entering his hotel room. Later, JVDS leaves the room alone wearing a different shirt.

http://www.radaronline.com/photos/image/68868/2010/06/cctv-shows-joran-van-der-sloot-stephany-flores-moments-her-death