Cindy Anthony subpoenaed to appear in court

[Cat13067]

Hello WS

I decided to watch(again)Cindy's depo with Morgan and Morgan. I was going to watch it all and then come to comment...but I got one minute and eleven seconds into the very first video, the first question asked was a basic "who was living at your house at the time?" And Cindy already asked what the "relevancy" is of that question. :crazy:

I think Casey will try to get out of going to court, she shouldn't have used the "falling" thing so soon. I think when it gets too rough on the stand for Cindy, and her usual tactics don't work...she will fake "falling out." Cindy will act like she is having an breakdown because she is a grieving grandmother and she hasn't been sleeping well or eating well...

IMO, Cindy and Casey are true sociopaths and from my understanding, sociopaths never tell the truth and will never do what is normal or right. They are incapable.

Okay, back to the videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uG-bUi5QFl4&feature=related

ETA: Cindy said, "I had no reason to think Casey didn't have a job."

:twocents:

I'm going to go with CA's chest pounding then her saying to JP I gotta go.

 

[Cat13067]

Now Cindy just said that JG, the Grunds were the one's that started calling the nanny "zanny". She said, "Casey just called her "the nanny."

I don't want to be o/t here, but Cindy's answers in this depo are ridiculous! Her answer to everything is to lie to cover up whatever truth the person asking the questions is working towards. You can see her jump ahead in her mind to catch where they are going so she can block them and show them how "wrong" they are.

I'm am getting more and more angry...I will probably have to stop watching these videos now...I looked for the thread on the depos and found only one. It is very small and relates that George and Cindy canceled their first meeting with Morgan. I forgot that...

History shows us, the Anthony's are willing to pull any trick in the book. To steal a phrase from a comment on YouTube: Chomp, chomp, chomp, dirty look, sigh, chomp, chomp, chomp...

I think Cindy may be a secret smoker...jmo.

ETA: Cindy just said that she has seen pictures of Jeff H. and has seen pictures of his son Zachary!!! OH, the LIES! Seriously, if Cindy gets up on the stand and lies like this...what will be done? TIA.

:twocents:

Go to youtube.com and search CA depo, and there they are for your viewing pleasure.

 

[Steely Dan]

Blue respectfully highlighted by me. I expect that GA was contacted by BC and escorted to the offices of JB and CM to be asked those 2 questions. His response to ICA and his lack of response publically was probably suggested by BC. George was also really quiet after the mistress revelation and IMO, it's because he's smart enough to listen to good advice. Cindy is another case.

I think a huge public reaction on his part would have made him look guilty. He doesn't now IMO because nothing KC says can be believed anyway.

You're right it's a damned if you do and damned if you don't thing going on here.

 

[zoey]

If CA gets slapped with contempt maybe she can finally get as chance to talk with her daughter at the jail. Could you just see CA screaming in the vents now. KC, sweetheart are you there?

however this could qualify as cruel and unusual punishment for the jail staff---having to listen to them......:crazy:

 

[coco puff]

I agree with you about GA not denying the molestation of KC. The GMA interviewer asked GA how he felt about this accusation, and CA spoke up, and said "he's hurt" then GA said, "I still am", but never did either one deny the charge.

I am just wondering if this is a defense plan to throw GA, and LA under the bus. I can see GA taking a fall for KC, but Lee..not seeing it.

JB is tempering every interaction the family has with KC. I'm sure he tells them to write her letters full of support and "other" suspicions about who committed the crime. IMO he tells them to talk about finding the real killer and mention how much they stand behind her. I truly believe that JB got to the family as soon as he saw the accusations from KC to her bff and said "look, you CAN'T call her a liar, you can't attack her for saying these things. You still have to support her or she will be convicted".


Having said that, the way both George and LA talk to their CMA is icky and weird.

 

[Turnadot]

She can't take the 5th in regards to lying under oath and changing her story only for charges related to Caylee's death, I believe, willing to be wrong here.

So, because of how she is being questioned isn't immunity understood. CA can't take the 5th to protect KC only to protect herself from possible charges. Not saying she won't try...

Does that make sense...not sure I am using the right terminology...

anyway...looking forward to Judge Perry meets CA! Kinda like Godzilla meets um...not bambie...but you get my drift

It makes sense, yes, and I think you're in the right on this.

 

[doogiesgirl]

Blue respectfully highlighted by me. I expect that GA was contacted by BC and escorted to the offices of JB and CM to be asked those 2 questions. His response to ICA and his lack of response publically was probably suggested by BC. George was also really quiet after the mistress revelation and IMO, it's because he's smart enough to listen to good advice. Cindy is another case.

I think a huge public reaction on his part would have made him look guilty. He doesn't now IMO because nothing KC says can be believed anyway.

The A's haven't really cared about how the public sees them up to now though. Still, I understand your POV. But don't you think that if you were put in that position you would not be able to hold back defending yourself? Because it's just one of worst things that can be thought of a person. It might not be the wisest thing to do, but I just think it's a situation were your feelings would take control, for better or worse. KWIM?? I can only imagine that speaking the truth, esp. from the hurt & pain, would take precedence over anyone else's counsel on how to react. As far as the mistress thing, I probably would have kept quiet too on that one, after all it really is not the public's business if one person is cheating in a marriage. That may be frowned upon, but it's not breaking the law. Where the sexual molestation is considered deviant behavior, and it's a crime.

MOO

 

[LambChop]

CA thinks nothing of accusing innocent people of things they did not do so what would make anyone believe KC would not do the same. This is off-topic as I do not think CA will be asked about this on the stand. Let's hope CA tells the truth for once. That would be refreshing. jmo

 

[steadychick]

I'm am getting more and more angry...I will probably have to stop watching these videos now...I looked for the thread on the depos and found only one. It is very small and relates that George and Cindy canceled their first meeting with Morgan. I forgot that...

IIRC not only did they miss the first depo, but an officer was sent in a car to "accompany" Cindy to the rescheduled depo. Wonder if she will need an escort to the hearing on the 15th?

 

[Boots-OK]

JB is tempering every interaction the family has with KC. I'm sure he tells them to write her letters full of support and "other" suspicions about who committed the crime. IMO he tells them to talk about finding the real killer and mention how much they stand behind her. I truly believe that JB got to the family as soon as he saw the accusations from KC to her bff and said "look, you CAN'T call her a liar, you can't attack her for saying these things. You still have to support her or she will be convicted".


Having said that, the way both George and LA talk to their CMA is icky and weird.

Hello, Coco Puff

re my bold in your post - I'm just wondering about something...why did JB and company know nothing about the molestation allegations until this letter surfaced? Wouldn't KC have shared that very informative childhood tidbit with the mitigation specialist who has been busy for months writing a detailed history of KC's life? Or with JB or with AL or with anyone except a person that she barely knew?

It seems that, so often, troubled people have a great need to make their history worse than the other person's and will go to great extremes (in excruciating detail) to ensure their life story is worse than the person(s) they are sharing with.

Perhaps KC was molested - I don't know. I'm doubtful because of her inability to speak the truth. I'm just more than curious why it appears JB knew nothing about it previously.

MOO

 

[LolaMoon08]

Casey has been telling people the "molestation" story for quite some time. Jesse Grund brought up these allegations quite early in this case. Cindy was adament that Jesse was lying. I also believe Tony L. made the same revelation (correct me if I am wrong).

This would have just been hearsay and probably would not have been brought up at trial, but now that we have letters where Casey, in her own handwriting, accuses Lee and George of these accusations, they are sure to be brought up while questioning Lee and George (during the trial). Casey even expressed how Jesse had betrayed her by telling LE (therefore the media) what she had told him.

So the accusations have been around for a while. They aren't something that Casey has just now made up to garner sympathy. Do I believe them? No! I believe nothing that comes from Casey.

 

[Boots-OK]

Casey has been telling people the "molestation" story for quite some time. Jesse Grund brought up these allegations quite early in this case. Cindy was adament that Jesse was lying. I also believe Tony L. made the same revelation (correct me if I am wrong).

This would have just been hearsay and probably would not have been brought up at trial, but now that we have letters where Casey, in her own handwriting, accuses Lee and George of these accusations, they are sure to be brought up while questioning Lee and George (during the trial). Casey even expressed how Jesse had betrayed her by telling LE (therefore the media) what she had told him.

So the accusations have been around for a while. They aren't something that Casey has just now made up to garner sympathy. Do I believe them? No! I believe nothing that comes from Casey.

I recall the accusations regarding Lee. Did she also accuse George? I didn't recall that she had. Regardless, it still seems strange to me that JB hadn't asked GA about it previously if he had suspected it may be true. jmo

 

[Tulessa]

Totally off topic and I apologize in advance but I just have to ask this question!! Is there a chance that JB lets Casey text on his phone?

 

[LolaMoon08]

I recall the accusations regarding Lee. Did she also accuse George? I didn't recall that she had. Regardless, it still seems strange to me that JB hadn't asked GA about it previously if he had suspected it may be true. jmo

If my mind serves me right (which it has failed me from time to time) I think she told Jesse both Lee and George had sexually abused her. I could be wrong though.

Actually, I don't know if JB believes or believed these accusations before. Who knows what Casey has told JB for the past two years. She could have easily accused Jesse of lying about these accusations (when he made them) and she could have used that as reason enough to shift blame on him for Caylee. I mean, if he could lie about Casey telling him about these horrific accusations, then he could surely be malicious enough to take Caylee away from them. I could see Casey saying something like this when the allegations first surfaced?

Now that he has the accusations in Casey's own writing, he had no choice but to confront George about it.

I'm always confused about the defense and their motives. I can't really explain why they do the things they do and why? I just know that anything is possible with these people.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Totally off topic and I apologize in advance but I just have to ask this question!! Is there a chance that JB lets Casey text on his phone?

I would not doubt it for a minute!!

 

[JSR]

I would not doubt it for a minute!!

Me either. JB doesn't seem to think the rules apply to him. Or Casey.

 

[Eidetic]

Why do I feel "contempt " in the near future for Cindy ?

If Cindy truly cares for that daughter of hers, I would hope she acknowledges what is at stake here. She is very chameleon-like as is her daughter, it is how they have been able to go under radar as long with the few they've chosen to surround themselves with.

She has been at these hearings, she has seen the shift the case has taken, she's "bearing in mind" Honorable Belvin Perry and adapting :twocents:
The reason Cindy is so closely standing beside her daughter imo, is because the mother/daughter dynamic is dysfunctional and she feels guilty because she is the one who made the phone call bringing it all crashing down on Princess Casey two years ago. Which is crazy, because her grand daughter's safety was in jeopardy but I'd be willing to put dollars to doughnuts is true.

George on the other hand, looks about to lose his mind on somebody. Which is why I suspect he has been absent in addition to the betrayal by Casey. Cindy, Baez and probably Conway have advised him not to go while he feels on edge. Will be interesting to see if he attends and holds it together.
It seems he and Cindy have been distant but I can still see good ole' George at her side, especially if they've been prepping him.

All my opinion of course.

 

[The_Flashlight]

If I was George, I'd disown KC for her backstabbing lies. Wow how low can you go.

 

[Purple Iris]

Hello, Coco Puff

re my bold in your post - I'm just wondering about something...why did JB and company know nothing about the molestation allegations until this letter surfaced? Wouldn't KC have shared that very informative childhood tidbit with the mitigation specialist who has been busy for months writing a detailed history of KC's life? Or with JB or with AL or with anyone except a person that she barely knew?

It seems that, so often, troubled people have a great need to make their history worse than the other person's and will go to great extremes (in excruciating detail) to ensure their life story is worse than the person(s) they are sharing with.

Perhaps KC was molested - I don't know. I'm doubtful because of her inability to speak the truth. I'm just more than curious why it appears JB knew nothing about it previously.

MOO

I can't for one minute believe that the question was never put to Casey from any of the defense team ~
I would think it would be pretty much standard procedure, while getting background history and the story of your life.

Maybe they were wanting to use it as a "surprise" at the last minute, and because those letters came out, they were forced to acknowledge it.

 

[Themis]

If Cindy truly cares for that daughter of hers, I would hope she acknowledges what is at stake here. She is very chameleon-like as is her daughter, it is how they have been able to go under radar as long with the few they've chosen to surround themselves with.

She has been at these hearings, she has seen the shift the case has taken, she's "bearing in mind" Honorable Belvin Perry and adapting :twocents:
The reason Cindy is so closely standing beside her daughter imo, is because the mother/daughter dynamic is dysfunctional and she feels guilty because she is the one who made the phone call bringing it all crashing down on Princess Casey two years ago. Which is crazy, because her grand daughter's safety was in jeopardy but I'd be willing to put dollars to doughnuts is true.
<Respectfully snipped."
All my opinion of course.

The following is my humble opinion -- no expertise here and anyone is free to jump in.

I think CA made that phone call because she is a mandated reporter. CA was protecting herself and her ability to make a living. Things had gotten out of hand and the odor in the car didn't necessarily convince CA because she didn't want to believe it. We've seen the dynamics that in that family, truth is negotiable. However, the odor in the car along with KC's statement that she hadn't seen Caylee in 31 days was enough to nudge CA into making the mandated reporter call. Mandated reporter calls are required to go to law enforcement and that's who she called.

On the other hand, the fact that CA did make that call is also some strong evidence that CA did not believe Caylee was dead at that time. There is no requirement to make a mandated reporter report concerning a dead child. The child is no longer an abused child. The child no longer exists. The statute for protecting an abused child is no longer operative on the situation. At that point, it has become only a criminal homicide investigation.

The reason CA feels overwhelming guilt now for making that call is because she didn't have to make that call; when she thought she did have to make it to comply with the mandated reporter laws, to save her own nursing license and to save her ability to make a living.