NY-LI 10 bodies found on Beach-Poss. SrlKlr-12/10-4 id'd; more found 3/11 #8

[truthspider]

Unless JB and MP are working together, I don't see how on earth JB could be involved in SG's disappearance. According to GC, the asian driver in the SUV (which we know is MP) was the last person reported to have been seen looking for SG. Let's assume for a moment, SG ran from her driver back to JB's...how much time would JB have had to kill SG and hide her body before LE knocked on his door that morning? And why WOULD he have killed her knowing she called 911 from his house, and had run to neighbors from HIS house? He wouldn't have been concerned LE might want to search the house? And why kill her at all at that point? To avoid a mere hiring a prostitute charge?

Nope...I'm not seeing it. Not at all. It would have made much more sense for him to have just let her go at that point. And I think that's exactly what he did. If anything, I'm far more suspicious of MP than JB.

JMO

I very much like your reasoning on JB, but MP? MP came back the next day to look for her, and then went to the police department to file a missing persons report, and has no connection at all to oak beach. Is there a plausible way to figure MP that I'm just not seeing?

 

[Seaslug44]

Correct me if I'm wrong; this was the first recent search that was not announced the day before (any meaning behind this?).

On my way to a client this morning I saw all of the overhead info signs indicate that the RM Causeway was closed from route 27 (Montauk highway) to ocean Parkway in both directions. Only one reason for this: another search!

 

[dcgrumpy]

Correct me if I'm wrong; this was the first recent search that was not announced the day before (any meaning behind this?).

On my way to a client this morning I saw all of the overhead info signs indicate that the RM Causeway was closed from route 27 (Montauk highway) to ocean Parkway in both directions. Only one reason for this: another search!

Yesterday they announced that they would be searching Robert Moses today. http://www.longislandpress.com/2011...-robert-moses-causeway-in-beach-bodies-probe/

 

[Filly]

"How could she be seen if she was missing" (Sorry I couldn't resist)

Right?:doh:

 

[Topcat]

nothing found along the RM (as predicted)..so now we have the 10 bodies and no SG. I'm still saying someone in OB knows more than what's come out.

 

[Redbird]

Gee, reading that link I wonder if anyone has looked into her 1st trick of the night. Maybe he was obsessed or angry with her and followed her out to OB. It's just a thought, and don't worry, I haven't gone loco. lol

Remember that Sherre said after Shannan left Gus' house she knocked on the door of a lady. That lady told her she would call 911 and Shannan split.

We had a poster here say that lady lived across the street from JB. Maybe our poster was in error. I wonder if Shannan knocked on a lady's door at the southern end of Anchor Way where it intersects with The Bayou just north of Larboard? We all know that Larboard rings a bell, eh?

You are right. I was mistaken about the identity of the woman in the video I mentioned. I assumed she was the woman who made the 911 call because at the time there was no other woman mentioned in the media, as far as I knew. The woman in the video was JB's neighbor Susan Kane who I suppose, by her comments, saw MP's SUV in front of JB's house. The woman who made the 911 call probably did not want her name in the press. With this new (to me anyway) information, it would seem EC was the last person to see SG that night, aside from CH who saw her/didn't see her. The video I am referring to was:

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/loca...rompts-Safety-Tips-For-Escorts-119667424.html

To find it you must scroll down the page to the third picture with the caption "Shannan Gilbert's Disappearance: A Timeline."

 

[Claudette]

Has LE ever not released the identities of people before trials of the accused?

 

[Reannan]

I want to know what kind of progress has been made on the identification of the child and the other bodies that have no names yet?

 

[Redbird]

Looks like it took them 39 days to announce the identification of the first body found. Maybe we will here somebody in the next few days.

 

[MrsPC]

I've read in several reports that Joseph Brewer was an unemployed financial advisor and last night I also read that he works in real estate.

Tonight, I was googling his phone numbers and came across an ad that he & his mother (Anna Maria) placed online. Interesting the ad used to also be on Craigslist but that link is now unavailable.

Web cache of the original ad by Joseph Brewer listing the apartment for rent on 10/2/2010

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com

then click on that ad where it says “continue reading”:

http://www.lirent.com/2010/10/west-islip-1-bdrm-apt-west-islip-850-1bd/

and note if you click on the link that says “read more about the apartment”
it goes to a dead *Craigslist* link

http://longisland.craigslist.org/apa/1984862381.html

and here’s another listing of the ad on a different site:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com

Also, I found a neat resource for property records (home sales) here:

http://www.newyork-suffolk.com/

 

[Redbird]

Reading a hobbyist review gave me a new theory regarding CVS. We have been thinking drugs. How about condoms? One guy mentioned he had to make a trip for some for his date. Hope this is okay to post.

 

[Filly]

I've read in several reports that Joseph Brewer was an unemployed financial advisor and last night I also read that he works in real estate.

Tonight, I was googling his phone numbers and came across an ad that he & his mother (Anna Maria) placed online. Interesting the ad used to also be on Craigslist but that link is now unavailable.

Web cache of the original ad by Joseph Brewer listing the apartment for rent on 10/2/2010

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com

then click on that ad where it says “continue reading”:

http://www.lirent.com/2010/10/west-islip-1-bdrm-apt-west-islip-850-1bd/

and note if you click on the link that says “read more about the apartment”
it goes to a dead *Craigslist* link

http://longisland.craigslist.org/apa/1984862381.html

and here’s another listing of the ad on a different site:

http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com

Also, I found a neat resource for property records (home sales) here:

http://www.newyork-suffolk.com/

Man, do those people own half of that Higbie Lane or what?

Speical thanks for those links, Mrs. PC

 

[Serial_Katcher]

Reading a hobbyist review gave me a new theory regarding CVS. We have been thinking drugs. How about condoms? One guy mentioned he had to make a trip for some for his date. Hope this is okay to post.

maybe she was refilling her bipolar meds...

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I very much like your reasoning on JB, but MP? MP came back the next day to look for her, and then went to the police department to file a missing persons report, and has no connection at all to oak beach. Is there a plausible way to figure MP that I'm just not seeing?

I've yet to see a single, clear, msm report that documents MP's movements on that morning, so I really have little to work with when it comes to MP. For instance, do we have a msm report that it was MP that filed the missing person report? Do we know whether he was questioned on scene that morning, or did he leave before being questioned by LE? My gut feeling is that MP probably didn't have anything to do with SG's disappearance, but until I can get some clear information about what he did and didn't do that morning, I can't rule him out.

Having said all that, I don't believe that MP is our SK. So if there were some hard evidence that lead me to believe he was involved in SG's disappearance, I think I would be inclined to believe that SG's disappearance is completely unrelated to the 4 bodies found on Oak Beach. I just don't think that's the case.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Reading a hobbyist review gave me a new theory regarding CVS. We have been thinking drugs. How about condoms? One guy mentioned he had to make a trip for some for his date. Hope this is okay to post.

I don't believe SG ever went to the CVS. If she did, then that would have had to occur during the 15 minutes she and JB left in his car. According to MP, JB and SG never left Oak Beach on this drive. If by "Oak Beach" MP means the gated community, then he would have had to have been parked down at the gate in order to know the pair never left the gated community. If MP is referring to the area of Oak Beach, then how on earth can he possibly know the pair didn't leave the area?

Let's assume for a moment that JB and SG did leave the gated community and drive to the CVS on Montaug Hwy. MP states that, wherever they went, they were only gone for 15 minutes. In my opinion, 15 minutes is not enough time to drive to the CVS, pick up whatever, and drive back to the gated community. I also don't believe SG sent her driver to CVS to pick something up for her. You don't send your body guard out on a shopping spree while you remain alone with a john. That would make having a driver/body guard pretty pointless, wouldn't it?

Additionally, the call made to CVS from SG's phone lasted less than 1 minute. I don't see what could have been accomplished on the phone during such a brief call, unless she was simply calling to see if they were open. Now, if that were the case, and if she and JB planned to drive there to pick up "party favors", then we're still left to resolve MP's statements about the pair never having left Oak Beach, and the amount of time it would have taken the pair to drive to CVS and back. Could that have been accomplished in 15 minutes? I don't know. But I don't think so.

ETA: Also, are there no convenience stores open in Oak Beach at that time of the morning where they could have gone to purchase "party favors", rather than drive all the way to CVS for them ?

 

[goathairjones]

I don't believe SG ever went to the CVS. If she did, then that would have had to occur during the 15 minutes she and JB left in his car. According to MP, JB and SG never left Oak Beach on this drive. If by "Oak Beach" MP means the gated community, then he would have had to have been parked down at the gate in order to know the pair never left the gated community. If MP is referring to the area of Oak Beach, then how on earth can he possibly know the pair didn't leave the area?

Let's assume for a moment that JB and SG did leave the gated community and drive to the CVS on Montaug Hwy. MP states that, wherever they went, they were only gone for 15 minutes. In my opinion, 15 minutes is not enough time to drive to the CVS, pick up whatever, and drive back to the gated community. I also don't believe SG sent her driver to CVS to pick something up for her. You don't send your body guard out on a shopping spree while you remain alone with a john. That would make having a driver/body guard pretty pointless, wouldn't it?

Additionally, the call made to CVS from SG's phone lasted less than 1 minute. I don't see what could have been accomplished on the phone during such a brief call, unless she was simply calling to see if they were open. Now, if that were the case, and if she and JB planned to drive there to pick up "party favors", then we're still left to resolve MP's statements about the pair never having left Oak Beach, and the amount of time it would have taken the pair to drive to CVS and back. Could that have been accomplished in 15 minutes? I don't know. But I don't think so.

ETA: Also, are there no convenience stores open in Oak Beach at that time of the morning where they could have gone to purchase "party favors", rather than drive all the way to CVS for them ?

Mountain Kat,

No, there are no convenience stores in Oak Beach. The closest place to get condoms, smokes or say rolling paper would be the Shell gas station on Montauk Hwy in West Islip. It is just east of the Robert Moses Causeway. It is about a 7 minute drive at 70 MPH from Oak Beach.

That CVS call really puzzles me because JB definitely knows that the CVS is open. He grew up right around the corner from there and it has always been a 24 hour CVS.

I think the key to this case is the 3-4 calls to the driver after 3AM. My guess is that MP got another gig for SG after JB's time. But she didn't want to go because she knows the guy and she is scared of him. I wonder if she knew of any of the other girls that went missing after receiving a high dollar offer from a "regular" and she knows her demise. The only problem is that MP already told the guy that he is in Oak Beach and he can deliver her to him shortly because he is close by. Once SG hears that MP told him they are in Oak Beach she freaks out! She knows she is in danger plus she is on a high from the stuff she smoked with JB.

I hope we get more info from LE soon!

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Mountain Kat,

No, there are no convenience stores in Oak Beach. The closest place to get condoms, smokes or say rolling paper would be the Shell gas station on Montauk Hwy in West Islip. It is just east of the Robert Moses Causeway. It is about a 7 minute drive at 70 MPH from Oak Beach.

That CVS call really puzzles me because JB definitely knows that the CVS is open. He grew up right around the corner from there and it has always been a 24 hour CVS.

I think the key to this case is the 3-4 calls to the driver after 3AM. My guess is that MP got another gig for SG after JB's time. But she didn't want to go because she knows the guy and she is scared of him. I wonder if she knew of any of the other girls that went missing after receiving a high dollar offer from a "regular" and she knows her demise. The only problem is that MP already told the guy that he is in Oak Beach and he can deliver her to him shortly because he is close by. Once SG hears that MP told him they are in Oak Beach she freaks out! She knows she is in danger plus she is on a high from the stuff she smoked with JB.

I hope we get more info from LE soon!

BBM

Thanks. How long do you think it would take to get to the CVS and back?

ETA: My guess is that SG called the CVS because she thought she had been drugged, or thought she was having a bad reaction to something she had voluntarily taken. She either decided against speaking to a pharmacist, or someone took the phone from her. JMO

 

[goathairjones]

BBM

Thanks. How long do you think it would take to get to the CVS and back?

ETA: My guess is that SG called the CVS because she thought she had been drugged, or thought she was having a bad reaction to something she had voluntarily taken. She either decided against speaking to a pharmacist, or someone took the phone from her. JMO

CVS is about 20 minute ride round trip from Oak Beach. But it would take some time in the store so maybe about 25-30 minutes round trip.

The Shell gas station is about 15 minutes round trip and you are usually in-and-out.

 

[dcgrumpy]

I don't believe SG ever went to the CVS. If she did, then that would have had to occur during the 15 minutes she and JB left in his car. According to MP, JB and SG never left Oak Beach on this drive. If by "Oak Beach" MP means the gated community, then he would have had to have been parked down at the gate in order to know the pair never left the gated community. If MP is referring to the area of Oak Beach, then how on earth can he possibly know the pair didn't leave the area?

Let's assume for a moment that JB and SG did leave the gated community and drive to the CVS on Montaug Hwy. MP states that, wherever they went, they were only gone for 15 minutes. In my opinion, 15 minutes is not enough time to drive to the CVS, pick up whatever, and drive back to the gated community. I also don't believe SG sent her driver to CVS to pick something up for her. You don't send your body guard out on a shopping spree while you remain alone with a john. That would make having a driver/body guard pretty pointless, wouldn't it?

Additionally, the call made to CVS from SG's phone lasted less than 1 minute. I don't see what could have been accomplished on the phone during such a brief call, unless she was simply calling to see if they were open. Now, if that were the case, and if she and JB planned to drive there to pick up "party favors", then we're still left to resolve MP's statements about the pair never having left Oak Beach, and the amount of time it would have taken the pair to drive to CVS and back. Could that have been accomplished in 15 minutes? I don't know. But I don't think so.

ETA: Also, are there no convenience stores open in Oak Beach at that time of the morning where they could have gone to purchase "party favors", rather than drive all the way to CVS for them ?

I don't think MP is the one who said they never left http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking/gilbert-vanishing-reaches-one-year-mark-1.2849214

Shortly after she arrived, Gilbert and Brewer left the house in his vehicle for about 15 minutes but did not leave Oak Beach, sources familiar with the probe said

 

[KAYTOM]

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I think the key to this case is the 3-4 calls to the driver after 3AM. My guess is that MP got another gig for SG after JB's time. But she didn't want to go because she knows the guy and she is scared of him. I wonder if she knew of any of the other girls that went missing after receiving a high dollar offer from a "regular" and she knows her demise. The only problem is that MP already told the guy that he is in Oak Beach and he can deliver her to him shortly because he is close by. Once SG hears that MP told him they are in Oak Beach she freaks out! She knows she is in danger plus she is on a high from the stuff she smoked with JB.

I hope we get more info from LE soon!

That's a good theory. The biggest anomaly between SG and all the others is that she uses a driver. ALC, MW and MB were picked all picked up and it sounds like MBB was picked up. Makes you wonder how the SK would get MP to leave.