WA WA - Sky Metalwala, 2, Bellevue, 6 Nov 2011 - # 9

[GingerRed]

Is Sky's mom's mental issues verified by something or someone other than what the father says?

I am sure we will find other articles that state it more clearly, but there are supporting documents outside of SM's declaration.

A doctor, however, testified that she was still able to care for her children.

This is referenced elsewhere as, my paraphrasing close to the actual quote, that Julia's severe OCD does not interfere with her caring for the kids".

http://abcnews.go.com/US/sky-metalawala-dad-thinks-boys-mom-julia-biryukova/story?id=14929161

ETA: Here is another reference. This media outlet has clearly seen Julia's declarations and other court documents as well because they are quoted.

Earlier this year a social worker reported that a doctor found her to be in good mental health and an appropriate caregiver for the children.

One psychologist who evaluated Biryukova wrote in July 2010 that though she was dealing with "a severe form of obsessive compulsive disorder, I do not believe that interferes with her ability to be a compassionate, effective parent to her children."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4520840...s-only-mom-sis-had-seen-missing-boy-recently/

 

[Patty G]

Good point! But leaving a 13 year old to watch over a 2 y/o isn't so out there (IMO - I was babysitting neighbourhood toddlers at that age).

It does make me curious about JB's relationship with her baby brother - was she more of a mother figure to him? Could that explain why he is standing silently by her side? Perhaps he feels he "owes" her.

I agree, that a 13 year old watching a 2 year old is nothing to be alarmed about since I too babysat at that age. My point though was perhaps Julia's mentality at 13 was that nothing happened to her, and that it was safe for her own children to be left alone, considering Julia had knowledge of what a 2 years old was like when babysitting her brother.

 

[Patty G]

am just catching up so sorry if this has already been mentioned: but LE has been quoted as saying she got zero visitation because they (LE) were afraid she would influence/have an effect on M****

ETA: Was this quote in the media or a press conference? I would like to go back and reference that info so I am not confused on who said what. Thanks

I was just posting what Solomon's attorney stated on air Wednesday evening.

GRACE: With me is attorney Clay Terry. He`s representing the father, Solomon Metalwala, in this case. Clay, I`m just thinking about how my twins act when they come home from playschool. It`s like we haven`t seen each other in a year. I`m just imagining how Solomon felt, how the little girl felt.

Has the mom made any attempt to see the 4-year-old little girl, Clay?

TERRY: Not that I`m aware of. There was a hearing last week for visitation, and the mother did not show up to the hearing. And so the judge denied any visitation to her.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1111/16/ng.01.html

 

[Patty G]

Found this tweet in response to a tweeter asking about a press conference today.

KIRO7Seattle KIRO 7
No conferences until they have more info. RT @True_Thoughts: @KIRO7Seattle Will there be a Press Conference today regarding SkyMetalwala?

http://twitter.com/#!/KIRO7Seattle

 

[Magdalyn]

I stumbled across this article online -- supposedly an interview with JB's mom. Anyone local know if this source is legit?

"An exclusive one on one with grandmother of missing child"
http://www.thenewtakhoman.com/111411.html

JB's mom says she was interviewed by the FBI twice, mentions "Julia's problems", and talks about the family's history (coming to the US and her ex leaving her for a young prostitute).

Wow. Me, me, me, oh woe is me, my life is hard, me, me, me.

Pray for HER?

Narcissist much?

It's like at the end of the interview she realized she had to say something about that missing kid. :furious:

This family is all kinds of effed up. And by family, I mean G'ma, Julia and most likely, Julia's brother. And this grandma, iirc, stood on behalf of Julia and against Solomon in custody hearings? Yet Julia's 'problems' have been slowly killing her? Did she tell THAT to the judge?

I'm wondering if an interview with Julia would sound similar to this. Which is why her lawyer says she's 'too devastated' to talk.

Devastated=whacked out inappropriately self-absorbed. :furious:

 

[GingerRed]

Wow. Me, me, me, oh woe is me, my life is hard, me, me, me.

Pray for HER?

Narcissist much?

It's like at the end of the interview she realized she had to say something about that missing kid. :furious:

This family is all kinds of effed up. And by family, I mean G'ma, Julia and most likely, Julia's brother. And this grandma, iirc, stood on behalf of Julia and against Solomon in custody hearings? Yet Julia's 'problems' have been slowly killing her? Did she tell THAT to the judge?

I'm wondering if an interview with Julia would sound similar to this. Which is why her lawyer says she's 'too devastated' to talk.

Devastated=whacked out inappropriately self-absorbed. :furious:

I think all that rambling about hating men struck me the most. Interesting insight into the family dynamic. Also leaves me with little doubt she would enable and protect JB. MOO!

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

O/T...
My dog Basia did exactly that! The guy next door was to cater a family Thanksgiving and had SMOKED A TURKEY!
ha loaded it in the back of his van... left it open to get the stuffin and sweet taters... LO and BEHOLD... MY dog climed in the van and by the time he returned ... the turkey was well... TOAST!
My neighbor was a jerk so I REALLY was not TOO "upset" and I :floorlaugh:
OK I felt bad a little.
BUT I agree! NOT a MISSING child just a caterer that didn't get paid!
my ♥ breaks for Sky.

Too funny! I think dogs are smarter than many people give them credit for...he/she knew how to give your neighbor justice! We should learn from dogs! :floorlaugh:

 

[Coolmomof4]

My daughter-in-law rejected every medical diagnosis when she was in the depth of her madness, and also refused all medication, even after she was hospitalized.

At one point, she told us she was just "more connected to God" than others and felt herself to be more special in an entitled way. I think it's fairly common, especially for bipolars.

Speaking from experience with a Borderline in the family, it can also be this way with a Christian who is diagnosed Borderline... even to the point of lying to judges and attorneys then when confronted, telling everyone her actions were done after a lot of prayer, and that she did exactly what God told her to do and she will not apologize for it.

 

[Patty G]

We sure could use this report to reference what was stated.

KOMO News also obtained a CPS case summary, which documents five referrals to the agency. Only one was ruled "founded," and the ruling referred to the incident in which the couple left Sky alone in a car in the parking lot of a Target store in 2009.
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/134008298.html

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

You're right - they don't. I don't believe there was a psychotic break personally. In psychotic filicide cases we usually see an almost immediate confession or suicide attempt. Out of 29 psychotic filicides there were confessions in 23 and suicide attempts in 20. (e.g. Dena Schlosser and Andrea Yates both confessed to the 911 operator)

To be fair it is unknown in some of these cases if the psychotic break was precipitated or caused by the filicide.

I do not believe, in watching so many of these cases unfold, that a parent needs to be a criminal mastermind in order to get away with murder. A very short list of missing children's cases where parental involvement may be suspected: Kyron Horman; Schepp twins; Skelton boys; Gabriel Johnson; Haleigh Cummings; Madeleine McCann; Hailey Dunn; Aaliyah Lunsford and (hotly debated) Lisa Irwin. No recoveries have been made and no charges levied in any of those cases for murder. All of those cases are between 1 month-4 years old. In two of those cases one parent informed the other parent they had indeed killed the child.

Tyler's quick recovery and 'mother's' subsequent confession was incredibly atypical for a (presumably) non-psychotic filicide. JMO and FWIW

ETA: I am not familiar with a psychotic filicide that included elaborate staging, a cover up, or lying to/refusing to speak to investigators. Doesn't mean they aren't out there but I can only think of non-psychotic filicides in which that has occurred.

Wow, BritsKate!
You are such an asset to this discussion. Your memory, ability to retrieve and then articulately discuss facts relevant to this case is incredible!
Actually, ALL of you Fellow Websleuths are incredible for your generous use of time, your insights, and offered areas of expertise!
How's that for a "Lovefest"! :seeya:

 

[Magdalyn]

I agree with almost all of your post. I'm not so sure dad is "weak". Fathers go through he77 in family court when up against women like JB. Based on the court documents we've seen, I believe dad did everything in his power to protect these children. The courts and CPS obviously made the wrong decision, most likely a fatal decision on behalf of this child.

I hope those who enabled this mother; the courts, CPS, moms friends, moms family, and the specialists who bought into this mothers load of bs are all thinking long and hard.

JMO

I agree with you in defense of dad. Some people make is sound like he put up with this behavior for 20 years. He filed for divorce when Sky was 1 and ** was 3, I believe. I also think it sounds like it was getting progressively worse. It seems simple to say, "Your spouse started acting 'crazy' all of a sudden, leave them and take the kids!"

Presumably, he loves his spouse. She's sick. She keeps getting sicker. He didn't immediately abandon her. He tried to get her help. And when he finally saw for himself that it was an impossible task, he filed for divorce and was attempting to get some sort of custody. Would people have him just up and leave her and kidnap the kids with her first suicidal thought?

 

[wenwe4]

First time I ever did a google map search that recommended "walk" to the destination!

from Veloce Apts to the nearest Urgent Care it takes 23 seconds to drive or 2 minutes to walk the 2 blocks or just under 500 feet.


why on earth would JB borrow brothers car to drive Sky to a hospital so far away? this has shades of Terri Horman driving around with her sick daughter why Kyron is missing . . . .

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=209942082992863047244.0004b128f183551e14a36&msa=0

 

[Miziree]

I've been thinking about that Law and Order episode. If she did follow it I wonder if they have checked local beaches. In the episode they buried the baby on the beach. I hate to even type that he could be buried but the lack of talking or even a plea from mom don't give me much hope.

I do hope he is alive and everywhere I go I do look long and hard at kids that resemble him. It is possible he was sold. I don't think she is hiding him. If she was going to hide one of the kids it would have been the daughter imo.

Don't the LE do things differently in Ukraine? I'm sure they would not be very nice to someone if they think that they are hiding a child missing from the USA. Maybe that is why LE here don't think he is anywhere but Washington...

The police stopping pressers make me think now they are just building a case. I do hope there will be a arrest for at least the abandonment. If not what does that tell other mom's? It's ok to leave a child in a car alone or to abandon them. I wonder if they are waiting to make more serious charges.

The brother of Julia is quite young, he must be only 20 or so. With the hatefulness of men I wonder how he fit into the family. I feel so bad for him. I believe he is a victim in all this.

All MOO just my 2 cents..

 

[jjenny]

Her brother is 11 years younger than JB, so if she is 30, he is 19. And since little Sky's grandpa on maternal side has apparently been out of the picture for years, seems extremely unlikely JB just gave little Sky to grandpa.

 

[SurfieTX]

First time I ever did a google map search that recommended "walk" to the destination!

from Veloce Apts to the nearest Urgent Care it takes 23 seconds to drive or 2 minutes to walk the 2 blocks or just under 500 feet.


why on earth would JB borrow brothers car to drive Sky to a hospital so far away? this has shades of Terri Horman driving around with her sick daughter why Kyron is missing . . . .

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=209942082992863047244.0004b128f183551e14a36&msa=0

I think it was said in SM's declaration that their insurance was WellPoint. That might have something to do with it, maybe.

ETA: I was wrong. In looking back it is Community Health Plan

 

[SurfieTX]

http://www.overlakehospital.org/services/medical-clinics/urgent-care/

Hours & Location
Open 24 hours a day, seven days a week
5708 E. Lake Sammamish Pkwy. SE, Issaquah, WA 98029 (at the corner of E. Lake Sammamish Pkwy SE and SE Black Nugget Road)
Driving Directions

 

[Miziree]

Almost every hospital here in Washington has Charity Care. Even if you have insurance you can use this for whatever insurance don't pay. It is based on a sliding fee. Even with my husband's income we can get 100% discount...

Charity Care
No man, woman or child should ever go without healthcare simply because they are unable to pay for it. Thanks in part to our generous and compassionate donors, over the last three years Overlake provided over $16 million in charity care.

http://www.overlakehospital.org/patients-visitors/guide/financial-arrangements/

 

[~n/t~]

Julia's mother (in the previous article) makes reference to Julia's problems as well....

"Julia's problems have been slowly killing me alive for last few years and I'm not sure if I'll out live all of this madness, which started last Sunday."

http://www.thenewtakhoman.com/111411.html

She sent them emails? OK...that is the most bizarre article.

ETA: Is she fluent in English?

 

[Cubby]

I find myself so conflicted. I just don't think this woman is smart enough to pull off the perfect crime. Why hasn't he been found? If everyone thinks she did this in an "episode" why has it been almost two weeks? For him to be gone this long some thought had to do into it. Premeditation and psychotic break just dont go together.

Still catching up inbetween RL (real life) stuff.

I'm not sure she pulled off the perfect crime. I suspect LE has seperated the trash which came from her building from the time of the 12 hour mediation in which JB admitted to lying about having a sitter and leaving those children alone, through the Sunday Sky was reported missing.

I suspect LE is either already searching that trash behind the scenes and keeping it very quiet, or they are keeping that trash seperated while they try and narrow the two week timeline of when someone can confirm seeing Sky aro. Oct. 23.

JMO

 

[Miziree]

I live only 1 mile or less from a hospital, which is a good one, I had my thyroid removed there last year. If my child was just sick I would try to make it to Children's hospital which is 15 miles from me. I went to a hospital here once when my youngest got hurt and was told to next time go to Children's. They just don't have the equipment for young ones and it is better to go to Children's. I really wonder why she didn't go there. I think she went to Overlake because that was where she was admitted for her eval. MOO