Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, 43, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 - #11

[True]

I think you better have a look at the relevant dates too while you're at it.

We were NOT discussing the rain which occurred the weekend just prior to Allison's body being found....28th & 29th April.

We were however discussing weather observations for the night she went missing....19th April.

Yes, I now realize that and my point is still relevant.

 

[Ixnaye]

I personally don't think the children have a lot of knowledge about anything that happened that night. They spend time with their grandparents, as in the Dickies, and they go to school. They talk to their friends, their teachers, their grandparents. If I was a murderer and the children had info that I couldn't allow to be overheard or repeated, I would keep them out of school and secluded as much as possible. I would be sh*^&ing bricks

I don't think they would know anything about that night either minni but I am guessing they might be able to provide info regarding if mummy and daddy had been fighting or arguing a lot lately or if mummy had been upset or crying about anything recently. Just info about the general mood in the house lately and current state of mum and dads relationship.

 

[minni]

Hello all,

The vast majority of people on here seem happy to assume GBC and/or the Senior BCs are guilty purely on the basis of how they have behaved in the media since ABC went missing, the fact that he had at least one extramarital affair at some point, and a whole lot of unverified rumor and hearesay. GBC has been quickly summed up as a violent cheating liar and ABC as an emotionally and physically abused wife.

GBCs guilt is a sound theory based on what frustratingly little information is available to us, and you would imagine it takes up a pretty prominent position on the whiteboard of theorys at Police HQ. It is definitely the most obvious scenario.

But what is frustrating me is seeing anyone who remotely dares to suggest any other theory on here, gets immediately shot down in flames, under some guise of protecting ABC's beautiful legacy and bringing an alleged abusive monster to justice. As alluded to by another poster earlier, I can almost hear the clanging of the pitchforks and cries of the angry mob.

However I think the fact that Police have not arrested GBC (or any other BC for that matter), and allowed them to continue caring for the three daughters is significant. If it is as cut and dried as laid out above, with a history of DV as people have claimed (not sure where this has come from - haven't seen it in the media myself) then he would be in jail by now.

For those who feel an outpouring of sympathy for ABC, what if GBC is innocent and ABC loved him dearly? What if he is a really great dad? What if the two had worked hard of late to get their marriage back on track, only for it all to come unstuck at the hands of some other 3rd party? What would poor ABC think of the vast majority of people ready to string up GBC without a trail, robbing her daughters of a loving doting and innocent father? Just because it was the most convenient theory available.

This website seems to be all about sleuthing with a view to constructively analysing criminal theories. I think the GBC guilty theory is now well covered, we've all read it. But something tells me the Police moved on to other theories long ago.

How about some genuine sleuthing now by putting all other plausible theories on the table without prejudice to see if we can't find another angle on this?

Cue the angry mob!

pretty good post there Toowong(s).....what other plausible theories come to mind? I like my triads/bikie theory personally, if we are looking outward to other parties. I think it ties in with the gloved tattooed man in the white van on the side of the road witness report. I like how it still implicates GBC as being involved in a shady business deal as I feel he is somehow implicated in this no matter what IMO. Feel free to shoot me down everyone, I think some new theories would make a refreshing change as a matter of fact, until we are informed of any new evidence

 

[kiwi50]

I can understand that Coolcat but if my husband was murdered I would help the police any way I could and that would include letting them interview my children if they needed or wanted to, obviously the police would have specialists who are trained to deal with children.

I have found a deceased person last year in a house that we owned and I have also had my brother killed in an accident. The police are hugely compassionate and they provide fantastic support to anyone dealing with traumatic incidents. I would trust them to be able to interview my children.

I wouldn't have a problem with my children being interviewed. As you say it would be done by skilled investigators.
It would be just one more thing I'd do to help find my missing partner.
But then again if my partner was missing I'd do EVERYTHING and ANYTHING the police wanted me to . If I was innocent it wouldn't cross my mind that the police were trying to set me up, even now after following many true crime cases intently.

Gee maybe the children might have even said something good about me if I was the dad.

 

[wakeskate]

150mm... Still not enough to deposit her up on that steep bank, looks almost 2m from the waterline to me. Seen the photo? It's not a gradual bank, it's a drop. Maybe no one went canoeing for a while?! Hard to find the body by driving over the bridge unless you actually stop and look over the side for some rare reason. Very possible no one visited that area for a week, and if they did, very possible they were concerntrating on what they were doing and missed it IMO.

You are underestimating how much water can flow out of those creeks after a bit of rain. 100mm+ is a fair downpour, and a fair amount of debris that gets washed out after a decent rain. I wakeboard on the river almost every weekend. After rain you get tree trunks 3-4 metres long. We have seen dead cows floating down. Once a friend even found a body. (about 15 years ago now). 150mm+ hitting the side of that mountain ridge feeding the 4-5 creeks that run out of that mouth + 2m difference between low and high tide could easily leave it high up on the bank.

My guess is the body was dumped around here http://g.co/maps/csx95 in the creek but up in the dry. Probably under a hole in the bank or something like that.

 

[KatiKutloose]

As I've just mentioned the Max Sica case...he tried to wipe out his hard drive the night the murders took place. Perhaps GBC was also attempting this.

I think police will bust his "home & asleep" alibi...20 detectives on the case

20 detectives and countless numbers of 'us' on both sites. Keep your thoughts coming because these sites are closely monitored by the police for theories they haven't considered yet.

 

[minni]

This was on last night...I case anyone missed it...Very interesting and there was footage that I had not seen previously?

http://aca.ninemsn.com.au/article/8470880/murder-twist

watching the recap on ACA has me convinced (nearly, hahah), that GBC was involved in a business deal gone bad. In the video of him talking to media, he obviously has guilt, I think he realises his actions are responsible for her death. in keeping an open mind as suggested by Toowong before, I am going to explore the possibility that he inadvertently caused her death by involving himself with bad people.

 

[Mani]

Respectfully snipped

There was mention of the phone and signals being triangulated, if ABC was abducted her phone could have fallen out in the car and the perpatrators became aware of it only when it was announced there were signals coming from these areas. Hence being able to destroy it completely ?

Hi Elspeth - great post as you bring up some good points. The missing phone has me stumped, especially the battery going flat so quickly. Allison was going to the conference the next day and she sounds like an organised person, so the phone would have been charged in order to be ready for the conference you might think. Or, maybe Allison (like many of us) put her phone on the charger overnight, which might account for it's lack of charge on the evening that she went missing.

My thoughts are that the perpertrator has thrown the phone somewhere in that area near the house (that the police triangulated) to make it look like Allison was outside that night.

I also feel the Kholo Creek area where she was found was too obvious considering the BC's being so involved in scouting and everyone in the area would be aware of this.
All this of course is completely my opinion but I was wondering does anyone else think this could be possible as well??

I have also felt that Allison's body being placed near a scouting venue was too obvious but then panic could have also played a part and the person/s didn't think about the implications.

 

[AllyG]

I am not reading anything into the kids not being allowed to be interviewed!

I wouldn't allow my children to be interviewed either.....At there age they are already dealing with circumstances that are extreme and the way there Mummy has died is already far to much to bare. IMO

I guess that's where people differ. I would let my son be interviewed if we were in that situation. I would think it would be empowering, to let him feel like he was helping the pice find out who did it. I know that they use specifically trained police to deal with interviewing children. And you could always make sure that they had a support person there.

I hope the kids are at least being allowed to talk to a counsellor/child psych.

 

[WhatTheHey]

Long-time lurker, deciding to sign on. Hi! Am a local who dearly wants this solved for the sake of Al's memory. A lot of us who adore those three girls can't help but want a reality that doesn't include them losing another parent. So please be kind with alternate, non-BC perp theories..! For myself, I am trying to wrack my brain for other possible non-BC links, with a potential axe to grind with ABC. Financial? Business-related? Anyhow, nice to be here, hope this gets solved quickly, because it is just a persisting local ache:-(

 

[Ixnaye]

It's good to have fresh debate and hear differing opinions so welcome to all the newbies!

 

[Ms Fawn]

just watching GBC's interview again and the body language is as I pointed out earlier totally off. Anyone else notice how when he says:"I've tried to help the police as much as I can" he shakes his head NO the whole time
1, now that's contradicting his statement MOO

 

[Mani]

Long-time lurker, deciding to sign on. Hi! Am a local who dearly wants this solved for the sake of Al's memory. A lot of us who adore those three girls can't help but want a reality that doesn't include them losing another parent. So please be kind with alternate, non-BC perp theories..! For myself, I am trying to wrack my brain for other possible non-BC links, with a potential axe to grind with ABC. Financial? Business-related? Anyhow, nice to be here, hope this gets solved quickly, because it is just a persisting local ache:-(

Welcome WhatTheHey,

I am with you regarding wracking my brains for an alternative motive.

 

[coolcat]

Hello all,

The vast majority of people on here seem happy to assume GBC and/or the Senior BCs are guilty purely on the basis of how they have behaved in the media since ABC went missing, the fact that he had at least one extramarital affair at some point, and a whole lot of unverified rumor and hearesay. GBC has been quickly summed up as a violent cheating liar and ABC as an emotionally and physically abused wife.

GBCs guilt is a sound theory based on what frustratingly little information is available to us, and you would imagine it takes up a pretty prominent position on the whiteboard of theorys at Police HQ. It is definitely the most obvious scenario.

But what is frustrating me is seeing anyone who remotely dares to suggest any other theory on here, gets immediately shot down in flames, under some guise of protecting ABC's beautiful legacy and bringing an alleged abusive monster to justice. As alluded to by another poster earlier, I can almost hear the clanging of the pitchforks and cries of the angry mob.

However I think the fact that Police have not arrested GBC (or any other BC for that matter), and allowed them to continue caring for the three daughters is significant. If it is as cut and dried as laid out above, with a history of DV as people have claimed (not sure where this has come from - haven't seen it in the media myself) then he would be in jail by now.

For those who feel an outpouring of sympathy for ABC, what if GBC is innocent and ABC loved him dearly? What if he is a really great dad? What if the two had worked hard of late to get their marriage back on track, only for it all to come unstuck at the hands of some other 3rd party? What would poor ABC think of the vast majority of people ready to string up GBC without a trail, robbing her daughters of a loving doting and innocent father? Just because it was the most convenient theory available.

This website seems to be all about sleuthing with a view to constructively analysing criminal theories. I think the GBC guilty theory is now well covered, we've all read it. But something tells me the Police moved on to other theories long ago.

How about some genuine sleuthing now by putting all other plausible theories on the table without prejudice to see if we can't find another angle on this?

Cue the angry mob!

Most of our opinions of GBC stem from the lack of Care he showed in finding his wife or showing any sign of pure remorse...This is why we have pegged him as the "Guilty" person......

I understand what you have said but most of us can not get over his behaviour and find it very bizarre whether he is innocent or otherwise he has acted very strange....MOO......

And I am not part of the angry Mob, just would like to explain why I feel the way I do.

 

[LillyPilly]

watching the recap on ACA has me convinced (nearly, hahah), that GBC was involved in a business deal gone bad. In the video of him talking to media, he obviously has guilt, I think he realises his actions are responsible for her death. in keeping an open mind as suggested by Toowong before, I am going to explore the possibility that he inadvertently caused her death by involving himself with bad people.

I had a look at this video again (i.e. GBC talking to the media) and noted how he quickly changed the subject, when asked if ABC was upset on the night before she was reported missing. GBC replied with a quick "No" and then immediately spoke about how he was helping the police as much as he could.

IMO, the way he responded to this question demonstrates obvious deflection. If ABC was not upset, and he wanted everyone to believe that all was okay, surely he would have added a few more words about this, instead of a quick "No"? For example, he may have responded with something like, "No, she was happy, everything was fine." MOO.

Moving onto the topic of the publicised affair: I know we all have our own feelings about whether or not the media's news about GBC's affair with TM was warranted, or necessary. IMO, I feel that that the release of this information is a method of building the public's perceptions of GBC's character, as well as creating more questions about his business and financial affairs.

IMO, if we remove TM from the equation and were only told that it was confirmed that GBC had been having an affair, or multiple affairs, this would still impact upon public perception (e.g. "Oh, gosh, here I was believing that he was all about honesty, etc etc..."). However, adding TM's details into the mix provides an added level of questioning, particularly in relation to GBC's business. MOO.

:twocents:

 

[Davita]

none of it is fact...thats my whole point, we honestly dont have a clue where the children were, but we have about 30 or 40 opinions about it!! like I said, my mind has been officially boggled (please don't confuse boggled with woggled!!!)

In the courier mail Allisons best friend said that the children were having a "sleepover at friends". Surely her best friend would have known if the children were with the grandparents or with friends.

 

[mountainhigh]

Well, another rumour I recall hearing/reading about early on in the investigation is that GBC was not actually the person who called the police that morning. Instead, one of the neighbours did - telling them about the “loud shouting/fighting” they heard from the residence the night before, and that it might be worth checking in to see if everything is okay. Consequently, when the police did arrive that morning, GBC and NBC were caught completely off-guard. When asked if everything is okay, NBC only THEN reports to the police that his wife has been “missing” for several hours.

WOW! KG1. I only attend this thread intermittently. Obviously I have missed the rumours about GBC and NGC being at the house at 7.30am and NBC vacuuming ABC's car when the Police arrived. It is interesting that a neighbour phoned the Police and asked them to check on the welfare of those next door following loud, disturbing screeming/arguments the night before.

It was for that reason that we needed clarification on whether the two people seen in ABC's driveway loading up the Prado that evering were male/female? or male/male etc. Going by this, allegedly it could have been GBC and NBC.

Two Issues here IMO:

I really do doubt that the police would have called on a house simply because the neighbour had heard a bit of yelling the night before. If the neighbour had been genuinely concerned about the welfare of an individual living next to them I would suggest that they probably would have callled the police 'at the time' i.e night before.

As for the issue of two people seen up the driveway the night before, this is rumour only and I personally think its fantasy merchant type stuff. Have you seen this house and driveway? you could hardly get a decent look up into it during the day when driving past! Let alone at night time in the pitch black (AND DRIVING BY...)
To make any sort of factual statement about what someone saw at night up this driveway they had better be telling us that they stopped the car, they got out and they walked up the driveway about 5-10 metres and confirmed that they saw two people loading something in or out of the Prado..

If they cannot confirm that they did the above then its doubtful in my opinion that they can claim to have seen anything other than perhaps a flash of light as they drove past.

Lets face it, it was just any other night for someone driving past and not one that we now all know about.... 60-70km/hr driving by and they were able to see all this in a flash of a second in pitch black ????? okkkay then

 

[Reginald2]

I had a look at this video again (i.e. GBC talking to the media) and noted how he quickly changed the subject, when asked if ABC was upset on the night before she was reported missing. GBC replied with a quick "No" and then immediately spoke about how he was helping the police as much as he could.

IMO, the way he responded to this question demonstrates obvious deflection. If ABC was not upset, and he wanted everyone to believe that all was okay, surely he would have added a few more words about this, instead of a quick "No"? For example, he may have responded with something like, "No, she was happy, everything was fine." MOO.

Moving onto the topic of the publicised affair: I know we all have our own feelings about whether or not the media's news about GBC's affair with TM was warranted, or necessary. IMO, I feel that that the release of this information is a method of building the public's perceptions of GBC's character, as well as creating more questions about his business and financial affairs.

IMO, if we remove TM from the equation and were only told that it was confirmed that GBC had been having an affair, or multiple affairs, this would still impact upon public perception (e.g. "Oh, gosh, here I was believing that he was all about honesty, etc etc..."). However, adding TM's details into the mix provides an added level of questioning, particularly in relation to GBC's business. MOO.

:twocents:

Also, they way his sister was watching him while he was talking looked strange. As if she was also assessing him.

 

[Kimster]

DISCUSS THIS CASE AND NOT EACH OTHER.

From this point on, anyone who doesn't follow this rule gets a 24 hour time out. Period.

 

[linette]

Long-time lurker, deciding to sign on. Hi! Am a local who dearly wants this solved for the sake of Al's memory. A lot of us who adore those three girls can't help but want a reality that doesn't include them losing another parent. So please be kind with alternate, non-BC perp theories..! For myself, I am trying to wrack my brain for other possible non-BC links, with a potential axe to grind with ABC. Financial? Business-related? Anyhow, nice to be here, hope this gets solved quickly, because it is just a persisting local ache:-(

Hi, and welcome It would be great to have this solved soon, wouldn't it? What kind of things have you been thinking that might have happened? Perhaps a payback or something?
Personally, I think it's good to hear other perspectives. I do hope the GBC isn't involved and that there is some other explanation for the way things are playing out. It's just I feel he isn't helping himself if he is innocent.
Anyway, welcome again, and look forward to hearing from you again.