LA - ***ARREST*** Mickey Shunick, 21, Lafayette 19 May 2012 - #33

[Backwoods]

Thank-you Megsy.

I am quite aware of the fact that there is a difference in brain structures and have previously posted a link to an article regarding this. What I am seeking is evidence or studies showing that a combination of omega 3 and behavioral techniques are not efficacious as criminologist Nathalie Fontaine of Indiana University says that they are.

Aviatrix stated in a prior post "You can add vitamins and behavior techniques until the cows come home. If this area of the brain is underdeveloped genetically you are not going to eliminate sociopaths with vitamins and behavior techniques. They belong in jail and sterilized so that they do not replicate."

I am seeking clarification if she has something to back this up or if this is her opinion.

I can't address the specific area in which you want clarification, but I'm interested in hearing any answers you do get.

And some of your posts in this area (which I enjoy seeing, BTW) make me think of things that get on my mind whenever the topic/s of psychopathy/sociopathy/antisocial personality disorder come/s up on WS.

I think that, all of that, is still such a new and very large frontier ... the forever-after hard-science complete answers I think many want to believe are there for the finding and quoting ... are not,yet, IMO.

Sociopaths and psychopaths --two different things? Depends. Pick your expert and get your definitions. Then stick around for five years and check back, and see if they've changed. And it makes no sense to me that, in defining either, there should be an assumption that all psychopaths/sociopaths are the same. I think it very likely there is a spectrum. If it's all about (in a nutshell) not developing beyond the reptilian brain, some must develop further than others.

Causation? Golly. I don't think we will solve that one for a while. Multi-faceted, I certainly believe. All the related "sciences" may help ... and likely the input from all is needed.

Not treatable? Who knows... maybe it is but we just don't know how yet. (Akin to your question.)

To an extent, some of the "treatable" mental disorders have been demystified in public awareness and there is a little more understanding of them and (maybe) more real compassion for those who live their lives with those conditions.

So, for a lot of people, the personality disorder labels, IMO, have become the place to shove all the frightening things people are capable of, a place to shove all "evil", a catch-all label that means one is not "required" to have any compassion for those people.

When you really think about it, though -- if it IS all about neurology and being born with a brain that cannot develop empathy, love, etc., -- that seems like a pretty bum deal. From what I've read, psychopaths (etc.) often realize at an early age that they are "lacking" and can be disturbed by that, but unable to "fix" it.

I share your hope that, one day, such conditions can be detected and ameliorated by some type of treatment.

 

[jujube]

Its hard to believe he got 10 years for oral sex, served 8 for that crime when some murderers, child killers get alot less time or none at all. Let's not forget Casey Anthony. He probably hated women even more after serving that long and decided the next victim wasn't going to live to turn him in.

The Casey Anthony case was screwed by the prosecution. That's why she's not in jail.
Agreed that he determined his next victim wouldn't survive. It scares me though because I doubt that Mickey was his next victim.

 

[Soulmagent]

Timeline in Mickey Shunick's disappearance:

May 18, 2012, 10:15 p.m.: MS and friends attended a concert at Artmosphere.

May 19, 2012, 12:44 a.m.: MS rides bike back to Ryan Street residence with BW.

May 19, 2012, 1:24 a.m.: MS seen in surveillance video at Taco Bell.

May 19, 2012, 1:31 a.m.: MS receives a call from her friend; it was the last time her phone was used.

May 19, 2012, 1:45 a.m.: MS begins to ride her bike home from BW's Ryan Street residence.

May 19, 2012, 1:47 a.m.: MS is caught on camera, riding her bike, on Versailles Boulevard.

May 19, 2012, 1:48 a.m.: MS is caught on camera, riding her bike, on St. Landry Street.

May 19, 2012, 1:48 a.m.: BSL’s truck caught on camera after Mickey passed the same camera.

May 19, 2012, 6:30 p.m.: MS's family reports her missing to police.

May 19, 2012, 9:27 p.m.: KATC first reports on their website that LPD is looking for MS.

May 20, 2012: The first search party is organized from BW’s house on Ryan Street.

May 20, 2012: Reward of $10,000 is offered.

May 21, 2012: Reward money is doubled to $20,000.

May 21, 2012, 4:20 p.m.: LPD issues its first press release about MS, releasing a picture and description of her and her bike.

May 21, 2012, 6:15 p.m.: LPD issues a press release about the dedicated tips line for citizens to call with information.

May 22, 2012, 7:30 p.m.: Candlelight vigil is held at Parc Sans Souci in downtown Lafayette.

May 23, 2012: Reward increased to $25,000

May 24, 2012: Search headquarters moves from Ryan Street to Our Lady of Wisdom Catholic Student Center.

May 24, 2012: Texas EquuSearch comes to town.

May 24, 2012, 4:00 p.m.: LPD issues a press release asking business owners and residents with video surveillance equipment to review footage from May 19th, between the hours of 1:30 and 3:30 am.

May 25, 2012: The video surveillance photos of MS on Versailles and the White Truck on St. Landry traveling in the opposite direction MS traveled are released to the public.

May 26, 2012: MS's bike is located under the Whiskey Bay Bridge.

May 26, 2012: The video surveillance photos of the White Truck with the bed cover on University, the White Truck on St. Landry traveling in the same direction as MS, and the two pictures of the Hooptie on University and St. Landry are released to the public.

May 26, 2012: BSL reports his truck as stolen in Montgomery County, TX.

May 26, 2012: LPD cancels its scheduled press conference stating there are no new updates

May 26, 2012, 12:42 p.m.: BSL’s girlfriend’s family member posts online about her dating a creepy RSO.

May 27, 2012, 5:00 p.m.: Benefit concert held in Downtown Lafayette

May 28, 2012: Police continue to search Whiskey Bay Bridge area.

May 30, 2012: Volunteer searches are suspended for the day.

May 30, 2012: Shunick family officially hires Private Investigator, John Abdella.

May 30, 2012, 11:00 a.m.: LPD issues a press release stating they have both identified and ruled out the operators and occupants of both the “hooptie” and the white pickup truck with a bed cover.

May 30, 2012, around 9:00 p.m.: Investigators return to the Whiskey Bay area to re-examine it with sonar. Nothing of value is located.

May 31, 2012: Volunteer searches resume.

May 31, 2012: BSL’s truck is found burned in San Jacinto County, TX.

May 31, 2012: BSL files motion to be removed from the sex offender registry. Hearing is scheduled for August 9th.

May 31, 2012, 9:51 a.m.: BSL rents a red Chevrolet Aveo in Spring, TX, through an insurance claim on said stolen truck.

June 1, 2012, 11:55 a.m.: LPD issues press release stating that beginning at 7:00 p.m., an answering machine will record all tips as it is no longer feasible to answer the tips line 24 hours a day.

June 2, 2012: Texas EquuSearch heads out of Lafayette.

June 4, 2012, 4:57 p.m.: BSL returns rental car.

June 6, 2012: Special K-9s Recovery Specialists are in town searching.

June 7, 2012: P.I. John Abdella releases statement about receiving credible information about two people who could be involved in MS’s dissapearance.

June 10, 2012: MS Headquarters moved to South College Shopping Center. Volunteer foot searches halted “until new leads are developed”.

June 14, 2012: LPD get a tip from a concerned citizen that BSL's truck was found burned in Texas.

July 4, 2012: BSL returns from an “about the last two weeks” offshore hitch.

July 5, 2012: BSL arrested on aggravated kidnapping and first degree murder.

July 6, 2012: Investigative searches end at BSL’s residence.


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How's this for coloring?

Mickey's whereabouts = purple
BSL = red
News = green

Looking over the timeline however it shows

Video of truck released.
truck reported stolen
Post online about being very upset about this sex offender.

It just appears the stolen truck tipped them off to something odd.

 

[Island hopper]

Thank-you, Island Hopper. I'm very sorry that you had to live with this.
You are 100% right that logic won't apply because their (serial killer) logic is nothing like our logic. It would be like explaining chemistry to my dog.

Exactly, and there is also no logic in why a person becomes a predator. My relative was exceptionally attractive, popular in school, raised by a very normal and loving family. There is no family history of mental illness and no prior family history that included crime. He was never abused as a child or adult....to my knowledge.

There were early signs that something was a bit 'off' that I didn't learn until later in life. Back in those days things were hushed up pretty quickly. I think his parents were just in denial in the early stages. I am not aware of any cruelty to animals other than he used to take me snake hunting and would kill snakes for no obvious reason. It actually never occurred to me until now that this may have been an unusual thing to do...

As far as I know, his first big offense was raping a family member when he was fairly young. It was never spoken of and I didn't know about it until well after the other crimes. There was some petty burglary type things in the later teen years. Then the other things happened over a span of many years. So they did escalate. He would steal cars and license plates to travel between states.

He held a regular job for many years, played sports, was married and obviously had children. Seemed very normal. He never had counseling, no rehabilitation and never spent a day in jail.

And, he hid the weapon/s to where they would never be found and strangely enough, dumped the body practically in his own backyard. So in this case, there were three locations.

 

[Boudin]

I did not read or hear them say in the conference that Mickey was seen elsewhere on video other than where we have seen her by Circle K.

 

[aussie_girl88]

I did not read or hear them say in the conference that Mickey was seen elsewhere on video other than where we have seen her by Circle K.

They never did they just have speculation from where the abduction occurred, I'm sure they checked other video surveillance and I'm sure that's what they came up with. One reporter claimed that there is footage of her being placed in the truck, however I'd say that's unreliable. Saw it few threads back linked first time seen it.

 

[hollyblue]

Wonder if anyone in the gf's family, including her knew the reason he gave for being in TX; or if he even told them....about his truck being stolen? Phone records will tell, just like him being located at WB the night she went missing. IMO

 

[aussie_girl88]

Wonder if anyone in the gf's family, including her knew the reason he gave for being in TX; or if he even told them....about his truck being stolen? Phone records will tell, just like him being located at WB the night she went missing. IMO

I read somewhere he claimed to be working? Yeah phone records will indicate. However, his Gf seemed to believe whatever he said so who knows. There is still alot unclear at the moment. I'd say that the family Probally didn't know his truck was stolen seeming the Gf was fighting with her family over BSL. I'd say when they saw the DWT pictures they had normal human gut instincts

 

[Wishbone]

Theories…… Nothing definitive, that’s what we have to explain and attempt to wrap up and put a bow on pure EVIL. If I were to wager a guess, this type of behavior will never be completely understood. Planning and remorselessly taking the life of another and then denying any responsibility and covering up the evidence in an attempt at self preservation IMO does not equal mental illness. Even animals after they make a kill don’t try to hide the blood on their lips. I prefer what M Scott Peck has to say in his book “The People of the Lie.

 

[jujube]

Exactly, and there is also no logic in why a person becomes a predator. My relative was exceptionally attractive, popular in school, raised by a very normal and loving family. There is no family history of mental illness and no prior family history that included crime. He was never abused as a child or adult....to my knowledge.

There were early signs that something was a bit 'off' that I didn't learn until later in life. Back in those days things were hushed up pretty quickly. I think his parents were just in denial in the early stages. I am not aware of any cruelty to animals other than he used to take me snake hunting and would kill snakes for no obvious reason. It actually never occurred to me until now that this may have been an unusual thing to do...

As far as I know, his first big offense was raping a family member when he was fairly young. It was never spoken of and I didn't know about it until well after the other crimes. There was some petty burglary type things in the later teen years. Then the other things happened over a span of many years. So they did escalate. He would steal cars and license plates to travel between states.

He held a regular job for many years, played sports, was married and obviously had children. Seemed very normal. He never had counseling, no rehabilitation and never spent a day in jail.

And, he hid the weapon/s to where they would never be found and strangely enough, dumped the body practically in his own backyard. So in this case, there were three locations.

Did this relative eventually go to jail? This makes me think of BSL. IMO, he has a place where he keeps his kills and it's a place that has some meaning to him. Some place he can go to and relive his twisted moments of glory.
It just goes to show that these are monsters in people clothing. Your relative wouldn't get counseling because in his world, he was ok.

 

[aussie_girl88]

Did this relative eventually go to jail? This makes me think of BSL. IMO, he has a place where he keeps his kills and it's a place that has some meaning to him. Some place he can go to and relive his twisted moments of glory.
It just goes to show that these are monsters in people clothing. Your relative wouldn't get counseling because in his world, he was ok.

Yeah most SK have their special place usually that of anger/ where something life changing happened. But then again some don't so it's hard speculate with BSL. Psychopaths etc is all a form of mental illness. And sometimes it's impossible to hypnotize a theory. Hmmm, I was at an expo today for post graduate studies and was thinking about specialising in mental illness, but all this talk is making me exhausted and reminds me how much mental health takes out of me.

 

[aviatrix]

Conflicted in his oral rape? How? Id say he succeeded just fine!
Remember too that he knew that victim.

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I didnt want to respond, but for clarification I will. During the whole episode of the oral rape, the girl stated that she was a virgin. He replied that he did not want to take that from her. The statement I made about him being conflicted was that generally a rapist does not consider the feelings of his victim. For whatever reason at that time he considered those feelings and did not rape her. Thus, we could say that he had conflicted feelings about what he was doing. The rest, I don't know.

 

[aviatrix]

JMO, but I don't think they will ever be able to link it to only male genetics. It has to do with the communication between the amygdala and other areas of the brain. It can be biological, imo. Lesions can affect behaviors, just as outside stimuli, like drugs, alcohol, etc....along with any kind of trauma...psychological or physical. It may be caused by a developmental problem much like a birth defect....and tho someone may be diagnosed with bipolar or other mental health issues does not mean everyone on the male side of the family has that makeup in his gene pool...or it's distributed to the female side through him. Just like any other biological link to a marker for cancer or diabetes. In a nut shell, the amygdala provides the primordial response to the fight or flight instinct...and base emotions. If those first responses are not "filtered" properly by the cortex (can't remember the exact name) then you get the raw, base, primordial behaviors. They are human still.. not animals as they may function very well in other aspects of their lives. IMO, that's why they can be cunning, manipulative and have fooled therapists.

Both nature and nurture, in my opinion only, because it would be too hard to rule out the combination. I think much, much more study needs to be done... Think of all the variables between the two.

JMO, imo, etc.

If you enjoy neuroscience, and it sounds like you already know a lot, check out Ridley's Genome-discussion on the formation of the brain. Ridley says that the front part of the brain is inherited from the mom and the back part from the dad. The primordial cortex is responsible for fight or flight and all involuntary body functions. This would be behaviors and inherited from the male. It is the actual structure and anatomy of the brain that is inherited rom the male - mid to back of the brain. How they did this research is very interesting. In short, they crossed two female fruit flies and got a huge frontal part of the brain but very small occipital lobe. Then they crossed two male fruit flies and got the reverse. It is more in depth than that, but that is the short of it. Because the frontal lobe is responsible for admin and exec functions, the conclusion was that IQ is matriarchal and behavior patriarchal. Ridley's conclusion, not mine. Matt Ridley is my favorite author and the majority of his writing you can read for free on the web.

 

[Wishbone]

I didnt want to respond, but for clarification I will. During the whole episode of the oral rape, the girl stated that she was a virgin. He replied that he did not want to take that from her. The statement I made about him being conflicted was that generally a rapist does not consider the feelings of his victim. For whatever reason at that time he considered those feelings and did not rape her. Thus, we could say that he had conflicted feelings about what he was doing. The rest, I don't know.

Just a thought,,,,what if he doesn’t actually have intercourse with his victim(s) but forces them to perform oral sex. I read that he made the girl rinse with mouth wash. Making sure her mouth is clean? Does he believe the women he attacks are too dirty to have intercourse with?

 

[Passin' Me By]

Speaking of terrible articles allowed, yet another one escaped from The Gather. Stories from that source should come with a bold warning label. "Words written are opinion only and contain no valuable information". Seriously, that's the last time I'm fooled into one of those articles. JMHO

 

[aviatrix]

I believe the region of the brain you are referring to is the prefrontal cortex.

Not to be bashing on aviatrix's previous posts, but I am going to graduate school in clinical psychology, and the theories that are taught to us are far less definitive than they are being presented on this board; not only in regards to intelligence, but also in terms of intelligence as well as hereditary predispositions such as psychopathology. Studies have been done and results support both hereditary and environmental factors almost alike.

Intelligence isn't inherited from the mother, rather its often times closer to the mean of the two parents with a regression towards the mean of the general population with respect to the kid. However research does show that IQ is more hereditary than behavior. Also, behavior isn't necessarily inherited from the father, often its more reliant on environmental factors such as family and culture.

Not my opinion, but opined by Matt Ridley in his book entitled Genome. It is his opinion and mine re heredity and IQ. I have personally dealt with adoptees for the past 30 years and my personal observation is 90% genetics 10% environment. If you plant daisy seeds you get daisies gentlemen. In the desert or in the swamp, they is still daisies.

 

[mkay882]

I don't think he had any intention of leaving behind a live victim and facing prison again. His intent was always on killing her after assaulting her.

Well, we all know (hope) how that's going to turn out for him.
At least he would have had a chance at release if found NG or is convicted of a lesser crime. Not now as it stands if convicted.

His penchant for arson again because he sure burned that bridge behind him I would say..

 

[fairest of them all]

in the last paragraph the neighbor talks about a bayou. i really think they should and probably are already checking into that bayou. someone on here named CIRCA said something about a long bayou along Ko Dupuis Road. Has anyone mapped that out? I keep trying to map it in reference to his house, but i lost the coordinates for his house (since Elaine doesn't come up)

Elaine lane is a private road. It is off of a road called "Jesse b." If you look up Jesse b road Elaine lane shows up on the map. Its a small road off of Jesse b and does not show up on a map because its a private road. To the best of my knowledge.

 

[Dustibug]

http://www.theadvertiser.com/articl...se-tougher?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

From article above: Attorneys: Lack of body makes case tougher
"I think the police need to worry about not talking about this case," he said. "They don't want to fan the flames to get a change of venue."

"But Lavergne may not get that preliminary examination if the district attorney takes the case to a grand jury first. A grand jury is set to hear cases on July 18 in Lafayette. It's unclear whether Lavergne's case can or will be added to that docket"

 

[aussie_girl88]

http://www.theadvertiser.com/articl...se-tougher?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

From article above: Attorneys: Lack of body makes case tougher
"I think the police need to worry about not talking about this case," he said. "They don't want to fan the flames to get a change of venue."

"But Lavergne may not get that preliminary examination if the district attorney takes the case to a grand jury first. A grand jury is set to hear cases on July 18 in Lafayette. It's unclear whether Lavergne's case can or will be added to that docket"

Surely lavergne case won't be on July 18! Really? Insufficient evidence waiting on evidence results to return from labs. Can someone really build a case against bsl in 10 days? And can the defense build one also? I assume this is from a reporter and hasn't been verified! Also don't forget to check your DNS before the Internet malware crash tomorrow. I totally forgot and checked all 4 of my devices phew