IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #14

[Beyond Belief]

I can't imagine anyone want to bike at that time of day, unless the trail is shady and could be a little cooler with a breeze blowing off the water. Apparently that was his time to ride though, because he did not even know the girls were missing when he came back to ride again the very next day at about the same time he said he had ridden the previous day. Here in Texas, heaven forbid! Biking at noon, I would have a heat stroke! 100degree weather, hot and humid! Early, early morning or late evening is the time to walk for me. Kids on a bike exploring, now that's a different story!

This is south Florida and the heat never stops people from golfing, fishing, swimming, jogging, tennis or working out doors. Life just goes on as usual.

 

[hollyblue]

Im sorry:blushing:

No problem. You'll find that some rules for some cases are more lax than others. You just have to go with the flow.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I don't think there is much we can sleuth. I'm going to take a break from following this board.

OT - anyone want some brownies? A batch just came out of the oven!

Oh wow....ME PLEASE!

 

[winterrose]

She never ran away, she threatened to and her grandmother stopped her. When she was late that day, he was waiting for his mother (who left work because of her being missing) to pick him up when he got a call saying she was home. Misty said she got home just as she was calling the police. Nowhere (except maybe in the rumor mills!) has it been stated that he was next to Misty when Lyric got home.

I believe it was JVM, he was standing next to Misty in the video. Someone said she elbowed him when he was talking about it, but I didn't see if she did,then she took over the telling of it. I only saw the youtube video, not the actually show. For some reason the video has been removed from Youtube and I can't find it anywhere else, odd. I posted it here and we were talking about it.

Okay I just looked further, brighidin and I had posted the video, it was from Patty's videos of JVM. I'll see if I can find a transcript.

 

[janie]

I'd like to hear from a local.

Records indicate that there was only a couple hundredths of an inch of rain over Waterloo that morning. I wouldn't think it would be enough to leave puddle or even to leave dirt significantly damp, given the dry conditions this year.

I didn't remember if it rained that day or not, but I found a link that gives totals:

http://addins.kwwl.com/blogs/weather/2012/07/24-hour-rain-totals-106

Posted under Precipitation Totals
This post was written by Schnack on July 13, 2012

Location County Rain
Waterloo Black Hawk 0.04

 

[ShyViolet]

I'd like to hear from a local.

Records indicate that there was only a couple hundredths of an inch of rain over Waterloo that morning. I wouldn't think it would be enough to leave puddle or even to leave dirt significantly damp, given the dry conditions this year.

I am not a local, but maybe this will help?

http://www.wunderground.com/history...tml?req_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA

ETA: I see Janie beat me to it! : )

 

[CoeTrawk]

I can't imagine anyone wanting to bike at that time of day, unless the trail is shady and could be a little cooler with a breeze blowing off the water. Apparently that was his time to ride though, because he did not even know the girls were missing when he came back to ride again the very next day at about the same time he said he had ridden the previous day. I believe him. I don't believe whomever took the girls would come back the very next day. Here in Texas, heaven forbid! Biking at noon, I would have a heat stroke! 100 degree weather, hot and humid! Early, early morning or late evening is the time to walk for me. Kids on a bike exploring, now that's a different story!

That Friday the 13th was one of the few decent days we had all of July. It was in the low 80s that afternoon.

 

[janie]

Yes, he did in a video with JVM or NG, believe it was JVM, he was standing next to Misty in the video. Someone said she elbowed him when he was talking about it, but I didn't see if she did,then she took over the telling of it. I only saw the youtube video, not the actually show. For some reason the video has been removed from Youtube and I can't find it anywhere else, odd. I posted it here and we were talking about it.

JVM has a transcripts page. Is this the interview you were looking for?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/17/ijvm.01.html

If not, here is the transcripts main page:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/

 

[Beyond Belief]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/missing-iowa-girls-lyric-cook-elizabeth-collins-riding-16851063

There are puddles all over the ground in the video.

 

[GrainneDhu]

(not being critical; just don't get it) will someone please explain to me why all the fundraising events?
what is the money being raised for? I have not seen the reward money increased, so where is it going and for what purpose?

I know the FBI provides counseling for the family now and also for when the girl do come home, so it can't be that? The FBI also provides any necessary medical care.

thank you

Well, let's see.

Drew Collins took three weeks off work and then had to go back on part time. While he owns his own business, that means either turning down business or paying someone else to do the work. Paying yourself for hours you didn't work is one of the commonest reasons most small businesses fail in the first 5 years; since he's been in business so long, I'm reasonably certain he has avoided that little temptation.

While all this is going on, the banks would still want their mortgage and any other loan payments on time. Back in the good old days when you knew the bank you got your mortgage from was the bank that held it, when something like this came up, it was easy to get understanding and an extension from the bank. The banker, after all, was part of your community and had to face the local community too.

Nowadays, things are different. Your mortgage may have passed through half a dozen different entities and they don't care about you personally. They just want the money you are contractually obligated to send them on a certain date. Any late payments go right onto your record and impact your credit score.

MCM and DM don't appear to have much money at all; they are both living with their respective mothers. DM is probably unemployable at this point due to his upcoming trial. That doesn't mean that their living expenses magically evaporate.

When a loved one is missing, all sorts of small expenses come up to zing you. Gasoline because you're driving all over. Food expenses go up because you're eating on the go more often and you don't have time to sit down and plan out how to surf the weekly sales.

Cell phone bills go through the roof.

If you don't have time or energy to do laundry, then you have to pay someone to do it.

Stress means that everyone is more likely to catch whatever bugs are going around.

When my service dog disappeared for 10 days, the expenses of the search were over $7000. That was for a disappearance that lasted only 10 days!

Does the FBI provide any necessary medical care? I'd be surprised if they provide more than emergency medical care. Do you have a link for that?

While many businesses are donating goods or services, especially early in a disappearance, after awhile, those businesses have to start charging. Just printing up flyers can be a major expense.

I see people questioning why families need to do fundraisers in case after case and I wonder: am I the only person on WS whose financial resources are limited? I have enough in savings to tide me over for 3 months of ordinary expenses and that's it (in part due to regulations about how much money I can have in savings before it impacts my benefits; there is a definite bias in government regulations to discourage people from saving).

The vast majority of families in this country are living paycheck to paycheck or, at best, are only 3-6 months away from insolvency.

 

[artzypantz]

S/O list for Evansdale 2011. (with map) hope it is okay to post and sorry if already posted...
http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Evansdale-Iowa.html

Here is an Hourly updated S/O list from the state of iowa, Evansdale area

The first link is the Evansdale area, the second link is the advanced search option for the site.

http://www.iowasexoffender.com/adva...tate=&userpostal=&range=&action=Submit+Search

http://www.iowasexoffender.com/advanced/

MOO
ArtzyPantz

 

[janie]

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[winterrose]

JVM has a transcripts page. Is this the interview you were looking for?

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/17/ijvm.01.html

If not, here is the transcripts main page:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/

Thanks Janie, that's not the one, but they're talking about it there. There's an article where Grandma was telling Lyric had packed her things and Dad had gotten onto her about her chores. I don't know if this is the same incident.

 

[janie]

Thanks Janie, that's not the one, but they're talking about it there. There's an article where Grandma was telling Lyric had packed her things and Dad had gotten onto her about her chores. I don't know if this is the same incident.

Here is a link that mentions the story you refer to:

http://www.ksdk.com/news/article/328855/3/Search-for-missing-Iowa-girls-causes-tensions-to-rise

 

[SapphireSteel]

Well, let's see.

Drew Collins took three weeks off work and then had to go back on part time. While he owns his own business, that means either turning down business or paying someone else to do the work. Paying yourself for hours you didn't work is one of the commonest reasons most small businesses fail in the first 5 years; since he's been in business so long, I'm reasonably certain he has avoided that little temptation.

While all this is going on, the banks would still want their mortgage and any other loan payments on time. Back in the good old days when you knew the bank you got your mortgage from was the bank that held it, when something like this came up, it was easy to get understanding and an extension from the bank. The banker, after all, was part of your community and had to face the local community too.

Nowadays, things are different. Your mortgage may have passed through half a dozen different entities and they don't care about you personally. They just want the money you are contractually obligated to send them on a certain date. Any late payments go right onto your record and impact your credit score.

MCM and DM don't appear to have much money at all; they are both living with their respective mothers. DM is probably unemployable at this point due to his upcoming trial. That doesn't mean that their living expenses magically evaporate.

When a loved one is missing, all sorts of small expenses come up to zing you. Gasoline because you're driving all over. Food expenses go up because you're eating on the go more often and you don't have time to sit down and plan out how to surf the weekly sales.

Cell phone bills go through the roof.

If you don't have time or energy to do laundry, then you have to pay someone to do it.

Stress means that everyone is more likely to catch whatever bugs are going around.

When my service dog disappeared for 10 days, the expenses of the search were over $7000. That was for a disappearance that lasted only 10 days!

Does the FBI provide any necessary medical care? I'd be surprised if they provide more than emergency medical care. Do you have a link for that?

While many businesses are donating goods or services, especially early in a disappearance, after awhile, those businesses have to start charging. Just printing up flyers can be a major expense.

I see people questioning why families need to do fundraisers in case after case and I wonder: am I the only person on WS whose financial resources are limited? I have enough in savings to tide me over for 3 months of ordinary expenses and that's it (in part due to regulations about how much money I can have in savings before it impacts my benefits; there is a definite bias in government regulations to discourage people from saving).

The vast majority of families in this country are living paycheck to paycheck or, at best, are only 3-6 months away from insolvency.

I'm sorry but from working in the foreclosure field for years, this is just not true.

There is usually a "hardship" clause with just about any lender you can name, and unwritten flexibility as well.

Lenders in this economy will do everything they can to avoid foreclosure as they may not recoup their costs due to the slump in property prices. It is far, far more profitable for a lender to offer a hardship clause and allow the mortgagee to remain in the home, than it is to force an instant sale.

Either way there will likely be state level protections in place in which under extreme circumstances, lenders are legally obligated to offer hardship relief.

As it is only one calendar month since the girls have gone missing, NO ONE is in danger of losing their house, and won't be for at least another six months or so in my experience.

All donated funds should be given Charity status, and all expenditures from that fund need to be independantly administered by a reputable body.

There is a case in the UK where a grasping unemployed mum orchestrated her own daughters disappearance, inspired by the thought of receiving donations. Madeleine McCanns parents have received in excess of $20 million - we are talking HUGE money here. It has been a motive in itself in the past and lack of transparency in expenditure of donations will only encourage it happening again.

 

[winterrose]

Well, let's see.

Drew Collins took three weeks off work and then had to go back on part time. While he owns his own business, that means either turning down business or paying someone else to do the work. Paying yourself for hours you didn't work is one of the commonest reasons most small businesses fail in the first 5 years; since he's been in business so long, I'm reasonably certain he has avoided that little temptation.

While all this is going on, the banks would still want their mortgage and any other loan payments on time. Back in the good old days when you knew the bank you got your mortgage from was the bank that held it, when something like this came up, it was easy to get understanding and an extension from the bank. The banker, after all, was part of your community and had to face the local community too.

Nowadays, things are different. Your mortgage may have passed through half a dozen different entities and they don't care about you personally. They just want the money you are contractually obligated to send them on a certain date. Any late payments go right onto your record and impact your credit score.

MCM and DM don't appear to have much money at all; they are both living with their respective mothers. DM is probably unemployable at this point due to his upcoming trial. That doesn't mean that their living expenses magically evaporate.

When a loved one is missing, all sorts of small expenses come up to zing you. Gasoline because you're driving all over. Food expenses go up because you're eating on the go more often and you don't have time to sit down and plan out how to surf the weekly sales.

Cell phone bills go through the roof.

If you don't have time or energy to do laundry, then you have to pay someone to do it.

Stress means that everyone is more likely to catch whatever bugs are going around.

When my service dog disappeared for 10 days, the expenses of the search were over $7000. That was for a disappearance that lasted only 10 days!

Does the FBI provide any necessary medical care? I'd be surprised if they provide more than emergency medical care. Do you have a link for that?

While many businesses are donating goods or services, especially early in a disappearance, after awhile, those businesses have to start charging. Just printing up flyers can be a major expense.

I see people questioning why families need to do fundraisers in case after case and I wonder: am I the only person on WS whose financial resources are limited? I have enough in savings to tide me over for 3 months of ordinary expenses and that's it (in part due to regulations about how much money I can have in savings before it impacts my benefits; there is a definite bias in government regulations to discourage people from saving).

The vast majority of families in this country are living paycheck to paycheck or, at best, are only 3-6 months away from insolvency.

I thought Grandma had custody of Lyric, Mom had gotten out in May and she moved back in with Grandma. If Lyric's parents weren't supporting Lyric, then it's not changing their job or non job situation.

 

[hollyblue]

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/missing-iowa-girls-lyric-cook-elizabeth-collins-riding-16851063

There are puddles all over the ground in the video.

Yes there are. I too noticed at 1:22 on the video of the girls.. at the top says Camera 6. Are all the other cameras for the business indoors or located in other areas outside that may have captured something?

 

[GrainneDhu]

I didn't remember if it rained that day or not, but I found a link that gives totals:

http://addins.kwwl.com/blogs/weather/2012/07/24-hour-rain-totals-106

Posted under Precipitation Totals
This post was written by Schnack on July 13, 2012

Location County Rain
Waterloo Black Hawk 0.04

Thank you for the link.

To clarify, what I'm not sure of is whether 0.04 inches of rain is enough to leave a puddle on pavement. I live on a gravel road and it has been years since I lived anywhere with pavement, so I find I don't really have a sense of how much rain it takes to leave a puddle.

My guess would be not; concrete is porous and absorbs water, so 0.04 would be enough to dampen the concrete but would not form puddles.

I'd like to have a more authoritative answer, though.

 

[GrainneDhu]

You make some good points and I doubt there would be any questions about fundraising if not for people allegedly seeing one of the mothers at the casino, getting pedicure, etc. I would be upset to have donated thinking I was helping someone pay rent or cell phone because they couldn't work and instead, putting money in slot machines.

Do you have a mainstream media link for that?

 

[GrainneDhu]

I thought Grandma had custody of Lyric, Mom had gotten out in May and she moved back in with Grandma. If Lyric's parents weren't supporting Lyric, then it's not changing their job or non job situation.

However, the parents do have living expenses, which have probably gone up since Lyric disappeared. Even if they are not paying those expenses themselves, someone is.

The most likely candidates are Grandma Cook and Grandma Weikert (the respective mothers). I may well be wrong since I haven't sleuthed either woman but they don't strike me as being wealthy. I'd guess they are both comfortable financially with their normal living expenses... but they are now probably paying much more than the normal.