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Why does it matter, how far the girls went, or how far they were allowed to go? The fact is their gone, they went.
All I know is what I've read in the msm. I don't do FB if at all possible because I find it upsets me.
Oh, plus what I know from a lifetime of living in Iowa. I had never realised so clearly before that Iowa has soaked into me bone deep.
My guess, based on something Heather said in her first interview after the girls were found (without her husband), is that the girls' bodies were skeletonized. There was some sort of reference to the fact that when the time comes to bury Elizabeth, they will be burying bones.
So my guess is that the girls' bodies have been at 7 Bridges park since 13 July.
One thing I do know, to try to shed some light on the scene. Seven Bridges has been described as a "popular" hunting and fishing spot but I haven't seen any msm articles actually quantify what popular means in context. I think there are some WS members who read "popular" and imagine a place that gets many human visitors a day.
My educated guess is that there were probably many days last summer where no humans set foot in the park. People who go fishing mostly seem to me to be doing it as a rationalisation to sit in a nice area, enjoying a nice day (I'm so shameless I just do it...). In order to uphold the rationalisation, they feel they have to go where they might actually have a chance to, you know, catch a fish worth keeping. Last summer, that was not 7 Bridges. The water was really low, which meant that the water temperature was high and the fishing would have been really bad.
There would be no reason for pheasant hunters to go to 7 Bridges park, it's the wrong habitat for pheasant.
During the various deer hunting seasons (there's something like 10 different ones, no kidding), there were probably a total of 5 to 10 different groups of hunters in the park during the entire season. So maybe a total of 10-30 people overall. And they would not all cover the same ground.
Seven Bridges would not be a good place to catch people making meth because it's a dead end. Too easy for LE to set up a blockade and catch culprits. Meth makers mostly prefer places that have at least two exits. They are generally desperate and drug addled people but even a very dim bulb can see that setting up to cook where LE can trap you with a single vehicle is not a good idea.
The final potential group of users would be teens partying. Here, common sense flies out the window. Most teens, so far as I can see, have precious little in the way of strategic thinking ability. They acquire it by being outwitted. There may have been a kegger every weekend at 7 Bridges but people at keggers stick close to the keg. That's why they are there. And those kegs are heavy, not the sort of thing you carry off into the woods. You leave it in the back of your brother's old beater pickup truck.
If LE comes, kegger attendees scatter into the forest but they don't go far. They don't want to get poison ivy and they want to be close enough to know when it is safe to come out again.
I would be surprised if LE finds anyone who walked within 50 feet of where the girls' bodies were found between 13 July and 5 December.
I hope that gives a clearer idea of what "popular" means in this context.
Why does it matter, how far the girls went, or how far they were allowed to go? The fact is their gone, they went.
Why does it matter, how far the girls went, or how far they were allowed to go? The fact is their gone, they went.
Thank you Otto. I do understand the need for privacy. I just wondered if they could be seen from home where the camera was. Grandma called for the girls to come in either right before or soon after the video from what I recall, I 'm not sure how sound carries in that location but where I am the neighbors can hear me for a mile. I admit I do have a loud mouth though. lol Anyway, just wondering if Grandma yelled and this was close then the girls should have heard her. So they must have been taken sometime between when they were on video and Grandma went in search of them which is only like 15 minutes. IMO the perp hears Grandma and had to silence the girls quickly. Grandma might have even seen the perp but didn't think anything of it.
Many good points. Regarding when Heather said of burying bones. I don't think she meant that literally. She was referring to it just being a body.
As far as the hunters not hunting the same ground, that's not true. Deer are mobile, and usually one or more hunters flush out the deer, while others stand and wait. Si it would be more likely that the WOULD cover the same ground.
As far as popularity of the hunting site, like I said, I have a coworker who knows many hungers who hunt that area, so in guessing it was hunted many tines during first season, the first Saturday of December through that Wednesday, the day the girls were found. Other times of the year, maybe not, although bow hunting season starts I believe October 1 and breaks for shotgun season in December.
And j always thought that the girls were taken much closer to home. I hope that all campers were meticulously checked. Would be easy to lure them into a camper.
I haven't seen this possible scenerio before but after thinking about it, just maybe.
On the opposite side of Lafayette road is a road that feels more like an alley because it opens up to all the backs of businesses facing Lafayette road. It's called Industrial Drive. One of the bar/restaurants there has a large 6-8 ft. solid wood fenced-in beer garden all the way around the back bar part of it. I'm pretty sure the wooden door/gate stays unlocked during the daytime in the summer, not positive. Suppose the girls rode their bikes behind the fence of the beer garden, and Lyric had Elizabeth watch the bikes while she went in to get some chips and pop. Then the perpetrator was driving by, saw little Elizabeth standing there all alone. He quickly stopped his car, made her get in and threw her bike in the back of his van/truck,whatever. That's when Lyric came out with the chips and pop, but it was too late to drive off without being seen, so he had to take her too so there wouldn't be any witnesses.
I assumed that when Wilma said that the girls rode their bikes around the loop and that she kept an eye on them, that meant that they normally stayed South of Lafayette. I don't think they would be shopping for chips and pop since they had just poured drinks at Heather's house ... and left them full on the counter when they went out for a short bike ride.
Maybe chips then. Why would she need her purse for a short bike ride? Maybe just chips and she found she really needed to go to the bathroom too.
Or maybe she went in quick to see if any of the bar video game things were open.. don't know what it's called, a lot of kids play on them, they cost a dollar. Maybe that's why they hid there bikes behind the beer garden, so Wilma wouldn't suspect they were in there.
COOK: Yes. It was just like where the post office used to be and a parking lot and then up and down the street, maybe a little ways down on the other side. And they`d come back and check in.
Other side of the street where Industrial opens up tot he backs of businesses?
I don't think she meant that the children crossed Lafayette on their bikes when they were expected to stay close to home.
maybe down a little ways on the other side :waitasec: Couldn't that be interpreted as meaning "down a little ways on the other side of the street?" Crossing Lafayette is no big deal, it's still close, just across the street. The map makes it look far, but it's really close. Many people walk back and forth across it from one business to another. It would still be very close to home.
They're discussing looking at a map, so if you can find this program, then we'll see it on a map. I'm thinking that if Wilma said that they crossed Lafayette, we would have heard about it.
Aired July 17, 2012 - 19:00
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/17/ijvm.01.html
Elizabeth's mother, Heather Collins, said it's rare for her daughter to venture too far from home, but she may have been persuaded by her older cousin.
"We've talked about that before," Collins said "We've told them they're too young to go far."
Misty Cook-Morrissey and Heather Collins are sisters.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-07-16/iowa-girls-search/56245630/1
I made a decision to exclude information about the exact location of the victim's home for privacy reasons.
There is a camera at the back of the Cornbelt Auction, and that is the camera that captured the girls riding their bikes at about 12:15 on July 13. The red line shows the approximate angle of the camera for the video that we have seen. There would have been additional cameras along Lafayette - at least there would have been one at the bank, and possibly at gas stations ... but there is no additional video of the girls. That means it's possible that they were abducted right in the area near the home - within a on block radius of the corner of Brovan and Sipple.
I think so. Wilma said that they rode their bikes around the "loop" and that she kept an eye on them. They were riding away from the house towards River Forest Road when they were last seen on video.
I'm trying to understand the route that may have been taken by the perp if he abducted the girls within a block of the house ... not sure how this will work out ... it's difficult to squish the maps down to a size that doesn't blow margins
I haven't seen this possible scenerio before but after thinking about it, just maybe.
On the opposite side of Lafayette road is a road that feels more like an alley because it opens up to all the backs of businesses facing Lafayette road. It's called Industrial Drive. One of the bar/restaurants there has a large 6-8 ft. solid wood fenced-in beer garden all the way around the back bar part of it. I'm pretty sure the wooden door/gate stays unlocked during the daytime in the summer, not positive. Suppose the girls rode their bikes behind the fence of the beer garden, and Lyric had Elizabeth watch the bikes while she went in to get some chips and pop. Then the perpetrator was driving by, saw little Elizabeth standing there all alone. He quickly stopped his car, made her get in and threw her bike in the back of his van/truck,whatever. That's when Lyric came out with the chips and pop, but it was too late to drive off without being seen, so he had to take her too so there wouldn't be any witnesses. Maybe that's why she had her purse with her, she was planning on buying something.