**Graphic and adult content**Jodia Arias Trial Discussion #7

[Hatfield]

He also told friends and his roommates if he did not show up at church on Sunday he was probably dead referring to Jodi. They laughed and then they realized he was serious. So he was not joking as it appears he knew what she was capable of. jmo

That is interesting and I had not known that. Wow.

 

[shiloh42]

Why call him on the phone, leave a message about an upcoming event you know he will never see because you just killed him. She does not make sense. This has all the markings of her doing this because there was no one there to stop her and she gained a great deal of satisfaction from seeing him suffer. In a nutshell, there you have it, and this is what the state is trying to prove. jmo

To me, that's simple. It's an attempt at an alibi supporting the "I was never there in June" story, I didn't know he was dead, I had nothing to do with it.

 

[GobBluth]

The jurors were present for the ME's testimony and hopefully paid attention. Most of those who have doubts admit they have not heard the full testimony. If you only listen to parts of the trial you could come to completely different conclusions. jmo

Totally agree, but it only takes one out of 12...hahaha, it was worth the shot at posting, though.

I wouldn't worry too much if you're talking about the stabbed first/shot first posts. No ones disputing that she killed him. Just debating the order of things.

As I said above, it only takes ONE juror, so I while I agree 100%, I have been able to read and reread others views on the evidence. The jury has not. I hope the prosecutors drive that point home.

 

[polleypockets]

I wouldn't worry too much if you're talking about the stabbed first/shot first posts. No ones disputing that she killed him. Just debating the order of things.

it makes a huge difference - thats why they were arguing about it - shot first still going - defends w/ knife - innocent self defense - stab and sliced dead then shot after guilty murder 1

 

[Linda7NJ]

yes did you see how excited she was to explain that the reason she felt guilty about his death was because of the "butterfly effect"? - she' gonna try string theory next

Yes, I agree... The big bang effect didn't work either. Lol


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[norest4thewicked]

I don't think anyone doubts that it WAS NOT self defense. Only in the sequence it could have happened. I am not convinced one way or the other. While the ME is obviously a professional, it is basically his opinion based on his research. It's possible another ME might see things differently. I don't think it really has any bearing on the case, but interesting discussion nonetheless.

I am very curious as to where the original statement came from that the gun shot came first. I know that's what was reported for a long time.

Just as an aside, I was one who originally thought that the gun shot had to come first. I saw that as totally plausible, until I heard the testimony of the expert.

 

[shiloh42]

Exactly why shoot someone you've cut from ear to ear and stabbed in the heart

IMHO, to be sure he's dead, and to deliver a coup de grace. But again that's only my opinion. The ME said he could live "a couple of minutes" after the throat cut, albeit incapacitated. Just my thoughts...

 

[LambChop]

I don't think anyone doubts that it WAS NOT self defense. Only in the sequence it could have happened. I am not convinced one way or the other. While the ME is obviously a professional, it is basically his opinion based on his research. It's possible another ME might see things differently. I don't think it really has any bearing on the case, but interesting discussion nonetheless.

I am very curious as to where the original statement came from that the gun shot came first. I know that's what was reported for a long time.

The original statement came from JA's statement as we witnessed today. She claimed the gunman shot him first. ME is saying no. He can give an accurate path for the bullet because of the location of the entry compared to where the bullet ended up. It follows a straight line and was not rolling around in the back of his head. It was lodged in his cheek. So the good doctor can tell with 100% certainty the path of that bullet. jmo

 

[cherishtoo]

Totally agree, but it only takes one out of 12...hahaha, it was worth the shot at posting, though.



As I said above, it only takes ONE juror, so I while I agree 100%, I have been able to read and reread others views on the evidence. The jury has not. I hope the prosecutors drive that point home.

Oh course you mean, it only takes one person to hang a jury.

 

[polleypockets]

What defense is trying to do is get the ME to admit that he could have been fully functional and able to move about after the shot. The ME is saying, no, absolutely not. JA claims he was shot first. Defense has to prove that she shot him in self defense and then he continued to go after her. The ME has squashed that with his testimony. Her shooting him last is just as bad because it still seems like overkill either way. jmo

exactly! so if you said he was shot but still kept going - she could say she was still in fear and had to stab - then she's having lunch w/ CA

 

[norest4thewicked]

Who is calling people names? Not me. Someone did say you'd have to be "brain dead" to think something other than your opinion.

Well, it certainly wasn't me that said that. So, just wondering why I was being attacked. That's all.

 

[shiloh42]

I have been through the shower pics numerous times now, and I really think he wasn't posing, and she was taking those without his knowledge. I've studied the close up face shot, and especially the eyes, and he still looks frightened or startled to me. It's odd that she only turned the flash on for the last two pictures, the face shot and the shot of his lower body sitting in the shower. I also think the shower door was still closed in the face shot. The water seems to be running down the door as well as his face. But the door appears to be open in the shot of his lower body seated in the shower. There isn't the same water running down the door effect in that shot. Creepy.

I think he opened the door (like WTH), she snapped the lower body shot by accident (or on purpose), went to toss the camera (depressing the button once more that took the shot of the ceiling), and attacked him with the knife she was holding in her other hand. It's a small camera. She could definitely hold it in one hand and snap the pics. I tried it, and I have small hands. Does anyone remember if the ME said the wounds were right or left angled? (Sorry information overload, and I don't have time to go back to the ME testimony.) She appears to be left handed, so I wonder if she had the camera in the right hand (right handed camera) and the knife in the left, which would be her dominant hand.

I don't think those are scratch marks on his back - too patchy to be cat scratches. I think he had a lot of freckles and moles and that, along with the water running down his back, it somewhat gives the impression of lines.

It would not be that hard to sneak up on him showering if she had a zoom lens. And she could stash those weapons anywhere in the bathroom that was convenient to her, or even on herself if she were fully dressed. All MOO.

I agree with you about the photos being through the shower door, especially the face shot. that would explain the water droplets not matching up. Also for a "pro" photographer, or at least an experienced amateur, the other shower shots are of really poor quality.

I also pretty much agree with you re the attack in the shower coming right on the heels of using the flash to startle/temporarily blind him, and make him vulnerable for the ensuing attack. Planned.

 

[norest4thewicked]

So, just to try to change the mood, does anyone know what tomorrow's court day will hold?

 

[human]

Didn't someone on WS find some kind of computer issues related to Casey A? I never followed the case as I knew she was guilty the minute I read her child was missing for 30 days. So I am unsure of this.

At any rate, people have different viewpoints and see things that I never thought of. I like the questions and discussions. Why not.

 

[Karmady]

it makes a huge difference - thats why they were arguing about it - shot first still going - defends w/ knife - innocent self defense - stab and sliced dead then shot after guilty murder 1

The point was made that shooting someone in the head first doesn't really support the self-defense theory. Actually, imo, neither supports the self-defense theory. So that's where I was coming from about the don't worry. No matter what, I think the jury hearing her lie over and over and over again and the violence of the crime itself is going to seal at least LWOP for her. Only a psycopath can be so calm and collected after the fact. I've no doubt she'll be convicted and get at least LWOP. jmo

 

[mck16]

I wish I could explain it.

I think we can. He was dead already and there was no blood pressure. jmo and the me's opinion. And I respect that. jmo

 

[norest4thewicked]

I agree with you about the photos being through the shower door, especially the face shot. that would explain the water droplets not matching up. Also for a "pro" photographer, or at least an experienced amateur, the other shower shots are of really poor quality.

I also pretty much agree with you re the attack in the shower coming right on the heels of using the flash to startle/temporarily blind him, and make him vulnerable for the ensuing attack. Planned.

I agree. And, I think that the last photo of Travis alive, with the look of some type of anger/frustration/fear, was when he finally realized that Jodi was taking photos of him after he had told her that he didn't want to have his photos taken in the shower. I'm not adverse to thinking that there might be more to this photo than just that, but I also think that the previous shots were not ones that Travis knew she was taking. Once again, she was stalking. She stalked him right up to the moment of his death.

 

[shiloh42]

The bullet is shown in the x-ray near the jaw.

Actually I was inquiring about the entry wound, to try to figure out the angle of the shot, to guess their relative positions to each other when the shot happened......

 

[mrsu]

But how do you explain no blood from the head wound?

I went back and read thru some of the testimony. In the DA cross, I believe the ME does say there was bleeding in the skull and in the cheek. That he didn't see any in the brain area because of decomp. I think it could be possible that the bleeding that had been in the brain was not evident because of the decomp. Or that the bullet passed thru the brain in such a way that crucial parts were missed. I fully admit I am not a brain specialist. (I know you are thinking this is obvious...LMAO) I also think it could have all happened so fast that he still could have been incapacitated within minutes. The other thing I wonder about is if he was alive and able to defend off the stabbing, he is much more powerful than her and it would seem he would have more defensive wounds to his hands.

It's hard to imagine that ANY of this happened within just MINUTES. When I think of it that way, it's not so easy to explain. MOO :fence:

 

[princesspjs]

She has admitted killing him, so there's no question she was, in fact, toting those weapons immediately after handling the camera. Thankfully, the jury does not have to figure out if Jodi could have shot, stabbed and sliced Travis-- she admits it.

I wish that if someone pleads guilty to a crime, they are forced to take the stand to answer questions. Not that they will tell the truth but, just to see what they have to say for themselves.

The very fact that this portion of his brain was mush I would think would support the fact that there was significant brain damage from the bullet.

If you listen to the doctor's testimony it will become clear that he did say for 100% certainty that he knows what type of damage was done to TA's brain from that bullet passing through and ending up where it did. I tend to believe him because of the number of autopsies he has performed and the fact that he has a medical degree. Not sure why there is so much mistrust of his findings. jmo

Sorry, without knowing exactly what was damaged in his brain, there is no way to say with 100% certainty what results that would have. There is just no possible way to be 100% positive of the damage.

A brain is highly sensitive and millimeters could mean the difference between totally incapacitated and critically injured with death imminent.

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But how do you explain no blood from the head wound?

There was no blood from ANY of his wounds on him when he was found. She sure scrubbed him clean. Not even blood from his partial decapitation or his 27 stab wounds.

Except, the medical examiner testified as to why the gunshot came last. If he had been shot first, (among a million other things) why would a pristine bullet casing be sitting in a pool of blood with no blood at all on the upper surface, considering there was so much blood?

There are a million reasons why the casing could have been found there. I've listed about 4 or 5 and I've seen many other people respond with more.

She just found a knife by the nail clippers?

I'm not responding to this post, I just wanted to share with you that if I glance at the computer and see your avatar quickly, it looks like Nancy giving someone a happy ending. :what:

everything IMO